The Sunday Times of London is reporting that the Pentagon has plans for three days of massive air strikes against 1,200 targets in Iran. Last week, Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, told a meeting of The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal, that the military did not intend to carry out “pinprick strikes” against Iranian nuclear facilities. He said, “They’re about taking out the entire Iranian military.”
Bush has already set the wheels in motion. With Rovian timing, Alberto Gonzales’ resignation was sandwiched between two Bush screeds - one aimed at ensuring Congress scares up $50 billion more for the occupation of Iraq, the other designed to scare us into supporting war on Iran. As Gonzales rides off into the sunset, the significant questions are who will take his place and how that choice will facilitate Bush’s occupation of Iraq and attack on Iran.
One name that’s been floated for Bush’s third attorney general is Joe Lieberman, the “independent” senator from Connecticut. Lieberman, who advocates the use of military force against Iran, was the only person Bush quoted in his August 28 speech to the American Legion. Bush called Iran “the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism” and pledged to “confront Tehran’s murderous activities.”
Gonzales greased the Bush/Cheney wheels for torturing in violation of the Geneva Conventions, illegally spying on Americans, and purging disloyal Bushies.
Similarly, Lieberman would ensure the Justice Department mounts a vigorous defense of a war of aggression against Iran. And Bush would get a two-fer: Connecticut’s Republican governor would appoint a Republican to fill Lieberman’s seat, returning control of the Senate to the GOP. A Republican-controlled Senate would direct the agenda, thereby furthering the Bush/Cheney plan.
Lieberman is closely affiliated with American Israeli Public Affairs Committee. “AIPAC leverages its power by an alliance with the Christian Right, which has adopted a bizarre ideology of ‘Christian Zionism,’” according to University of Michigan professor Juan Cole. “It holds that the sooner the Palestinians are ethnically cleansed, the sooner Christ will come back. Without millions of these Christian Zionist allies,” Cole added, “AIPAC would be much less influential and effective.”
During the 2004 election, a 100% “AIPAC voting record” was Lieberman’s litmus test for an acceptable presidential candidate. As the House of Representatives was on the verge of passing a resolution that would’ve required Bush to consult Congress before attacking Iran, the AIPAC lobby stopped it in its tracks.
Bush’s WMD-hyping against Iran is déja vu in the run-up to Operation Iraqi Disaster, where he played loose and fast with the truth about Iraq’s alleged WMDs. His statement that a nuclear Iran could put the region “under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust” conjures up his images of a “mushroom cloud” in the hype-up to Iraq.
How inconvenient for Bush that the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) just found Iran’s uranium enrichment program is operating well below capacity and is nowhere near producing significant amounts of nuclear fuel. The IAEA report says Iran “has been providing the agency with access to declared nuclear materials, and has provided the required nuclear material accountancy reports in connection with declared nuclear material and facilities.”
Iran and IAEA agreed on a plan with a step-by-step timetable of cooperation to settle unresolved issues. The agreement said there were “no other remaining issues and ambiguities regarding Iran’s past nuclear program and activities,” and characterized the accord as “a significant step forward.”
“This is the first time Iran is ready to discuss all the outstanding issues which triggered the crisis in confidence,” said IAEA director general Mohamed ElBaradei. “I’m clear at this stage you need to give Iran a chance to prove its stated goodwill. Sanctions alone, I know for sure, are not going to lead to a durable solution”
In 2003, when Dr. ElBaradei reported there was no evidence that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program, the White House was not pleased. And as Saddam Hussein became more cooperative with the weapons inspector, Bush became “infuriated,” according to Bob Woodward.
Bush’s vow, “We will confront this danger before it is too late,” is the Iran incarnation of his illegal preemptive war doctrine, which he inaugurated in Iraq. In a clear signal he is seeking regime change in Iran, Bush called for “an Iran whose government is accountable to its people, instead of leaders who promote terror and pursue the technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons.”
Barnett Rubin reported on Global Affairs blog that one of the leading neo-conservative institutions has “instructions” from Dick Cheney’s office to “roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don’t think they’ll ever get majority support for this - they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is ‘plenty.’”
Bush/Cheney created the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) to lead a propaganda campaign to bolster public support for war with Iraq. The White House decided to wait until after Labor Day of 2002 to kick off WHIG’s mission. Chief of staff Andrew Card explained, “From a marketing point of view, you don’t introduce new products in August.” Five years later, they’re marketing a new and even more dangerous product - war with Iran. British military historian Corelli Barnett says “an attack on Iran would effectively launch World War III.”
Our military spending has reached $1 billion every 2-1/2 days and we are borrowing $2-1/2 billion per day. Bush is mortgaging our children’s future security and wealth. We have lost more than 3,700 soldiers in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died.
We have already seen how easily Congress caves in to AIPAC. It’s up to the people. As Noam Chomsky said, “The most effective barrier to a White House decision to launch a war [on Iran] is the kind of organized popular opposition that frightened the political-military leadership enough in 1968 that they were reluctant to send more troops to Vietnam.”
Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and President of the National Lawyers Guild. Her new book, Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law, was just published. Her articles are archived at http://www.marjoriecohn.com.
Can you say:
“War Criminals”?
Leibermann? You gotta be shitting me!
How is it that all of the criminal plans of the lice in Washington are known in advance and no one has the means to prevent them? We didn’t elect anybody to destroy our children and our way of life.
All a terrorist has to do is sit on his hands while these despicable criminals wreck what is left of government by We the People.
Maybe that is why we haven’t had any more attacks like 9/11.
Given the IAEA report stating the Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, the state of the military, the lack of public support for such an escalation and the reality that Iran is not Iraq and bombing them with anything less than nukes (not a viabley acceptable option) would not be effective at anything but inciting massive retiation, an outright attack seems unrealistic. More likely they will keep it low-intensity. As for “the plan,” such plans have existed for some time and not only for Iran. That we know Cheney and Bush want to attack Iran however is more than enough reason to remove them from office — by force of arms if necessary, and place them under arrest for the crimes already committed.
Can you say “Bible as self-fulfilling prophecy”? The Bible is at the heart of ALL these maniacs on all sides, a world view is as fascist as they ever came—exterminate those who neither believe nor produce profit and keep your eyes on the sky to ignore your bloodsoaked hands. (BTW, women shut up and breed.) There can be no real revolution for human peace until we throw that f-ing book out of our souls—and may Joe Lieberman be clinging to it when we do so!
Jack37,
“There can be no real revolution for human peace until we throw that f-ing book out of our souls”
Amen to that!
The biggest and most successful scam ever perpetrated in the history of Mankind!
religion has been the most destructive force in the history of mankind. google - violence and and the biblical god, and violent quotes in the koran.
So they think 35% public support is enough. Congress will roll over on this as usual. Why don’t they just stay on their backs? They spend most of their time there anyway.
Lieberman as AG? He fits. He likes torture. He hates Arabs. He wouldn’t investigate anything that would offend Bush, his buddy. Gonzales has set up the US Department of Justice as a branch of the Republican National Committee and it can run on autopilot.
I third Jack37 Marx got one thing right when he said religion is the opiate of the masses. How many attacks for oil and Israel will we have to see before we rise up and overthrow these blatant war criminals?
And the Precipitous slide continues.
Now we will have a Thousand year war. The Echoes of our greed still costing lives and Treasure, long into the Oil-less future.
Criminal! Plain and Simple … Idiocy!
A KNESAL …………………….. ‘Liberal Warrior’
It seems to me that the initiating of impeachment hearings would be the best deterrent for the planned attack on Iran.
But first, someone with access needs to ask the Speaker of the House this question.
Is there ANY possible reason that IMPEACHMENT could be put on back the table? If the answer is no, then we need to ask the House to replace the speaker. We cannot wait until after the attack on Iran, to act.
Bush and his PNAC buddies have been trying to insult and aggravate the Iranians into invading Iraq in order to justify expanding their war.
How can war-profiteers profit if everyone insists on stopping their wars???
I say we draft Bush and Cheney and their evil cohorts and send them all to Baghdad with baseball bats as weapons.
We should also deport Leiberman to Israel… let him join the Likud Party where he belongs.
Regarding; Kathyodat,
“Why don’t they just stay on their backs?”
Is that a nice way of saying ‘Bent over’
………………. A!
The Bible is one ugly book-it even endorses human slavery(it was ok to beat your slaves until they are blind–just dont kill them).
But you cant take religion out of the human soul. Even secularism is classified as a religion and can be destructive(the A bomb, progress for the sake of progress,). I refuse to believe that all we would have to do is destroy a boring work of literature haphazardly edited by the Roman Empire and we would have peace on earth. China is pretty horrendous and is atheist(also a religious stance).
I would prefer that humanity embraced mysticism instead of specific revelatory theism(what Bush and zionists adhere to).
Believing in a deity isnt a problem as much as when you believe that it gives you the authority to harm others. Secularists can be just as guilty as theists for that.
“…Bush called for ‘an Iran whose government is accountable to its people, instead of leaders who promote terror and pursue the technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons.’”
When our president can say this without irony, we know that public discourse is dead.
Spike September 2nd, 2007 12:45 pm
Leibermann?@#$#@#$%
“All a terrorist has to do is sit on his hands while these despicable criminals wreck what is left of government by We the People.
Maybe that is why we haven’t had any more attacks like 9/11.”…..
You Nailed It….
They (Bush/Cheney)won’t listen to their diplomatic community. They won’t listen to their Intel community, they won’t listen to the military (except if they say “Yassir bossir, dahs right!”). The won’t listen to the congress (who like the military has learned to assume the position to lick between the spread cheeks of their butts. They won’t listen to the American people, their allies, or the UN (either the general assembly or the IAEA).
All of that being given what alternative is left short of either:
1. A military mutiny and coup de tat.
2. Twin assassinations in which case we have the dubious distinction of seeing Nancy Pelosi become the first woman president (not a pleasent prospect for even a day let alone a little over a year).
Clearly assassinations seem the only practical answer to preventing nuclear war with Iran and the potential devastation of the entire planet’s environment and economy, along with many more needless deaths.
But beyond just lopping off the two heads of this hydra, the entire State, Defense, Intel, and Administrative stablishment of this rotten to the core government has to be de-neoconned.
That should means a whole lot of under assistant secretaries of this, that, and the other should be packed away to places like Gitmo or Alcatraz for permanent banishment and exile. (Think tanks which have turned into the minor league farm teams for ideologes on their way to high government position need a similar purging and liquidation.)
So who will plant the bomb, fire the bullets, or support those who do? Who hates Wall Street more than they hate the Beltway establishment? Aye, there’s the rub! And everyone of these bastards from Bush/Cheney to the think-tank establishments know it. They lead a nation of morally disabled cowards–of whose leadership they are worthy–more than willing to let things rock on.
Maybe there will be a few patriots in Australia this coming Wednesday who can get the ball rolling.
National strike 090/10-09/11.
A KNESAL, Did I put it nicely? That was unintentional.
Those damn Iranians are also responsible for 9/11, Katrina, the Utah mine collapse, the MN bridge collapse, the exploding Lex Ave steampipe, and, of course, Osama - turns out he’s both Saudi Arabian AND an Iranian, er, something bad, whatever.
With traitor Joe as the next AG, at least Mel will be able to blame the Jew for starting another illegal “war” and not have to apologize from rehab this time…
I had read about the IAEA report that concluded Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons. Then I heard a reporter on NPR this morning say that the UN believes Iran’s centrifuges are intended for developing nuclear weapons capabilities. No mention of th IAEA report. The media’s complicity in developing the (bogus) case for war against Iran is just as bad as it was with Iraq.
jack57andjaalle____Admittedly, the Bible is a violent book, but you have it wrong to say that it is causing all of these problems we are facing. The fault lies mostly in the mixing of church and state recently, instead of the separation, which our founders wisely intended. You can find about whatever you are looking for in the Bible,as in the old testament there is much war and vengeance, and in the new there is peace and love.
At any rate, it has been around for a while, and will continue to be, so we must learn to deal with it. There are many good and sensible people who are religous and many that are secular.
We also have to put up with comments from people like yourselves that insist on using foul language to make their point. (Just print the entire word, we know what it is anyway).
Right now, Iranian forces are accused, with little, if any, solid evidence, of helping kill U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Meanwhile, ignored by our media, U.S. special forces and CIA operatives are in Iran selecting targets for our planes, drones, and cruise missiles and supporting anti-Iranian government groups there. In effect, we have been waging war on Iran from inside Iran for almost two years already.
Yet all we hear in the U.S. is how Iran is possibly behind attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, ignoring the above.
The U.S. media, can claim little or no credibility.
Religion has nothing to do with this scurrilous activity.
Anyone on this blog who has tried to paint an negative view of Islam is hi-jacking the thread of this blog by making specious and irrelevant diatribes. This has the effect of distracting attention from the arguments and comments of sincere individuals who are concerned by the immoral and illegal acts of our government these days and in the future.
I could be wrong but there diatribes sound a lot like the past efforts of the swiftboaters to paint anyone not supporting the administration’s actions as ‘unpatriotic’ in reference to the Iraq fiasco. Sounds like the machine is being revved up early to ‘dis’ anyone who has figured out that a major anti-Iran spin is underway.
“If you liked Iraq, you’ll love Iran!”
Until the US populace gets the courage to take to the streets and follow the example of Gandhi’s non-violent marches and demonstrations nothing will change. The people have got to WANT the Constitution restored enough to ACT accordingly. If there is no such desire, there will will be no more US Constitution (except in name only).
Things will change only when the populace is alienated and hopeless.
Then they may :
STAND UP - for what they beleive to be right.
SIT DOWN - in the nearest street to bring transportaion, retail, everything to a standstill.
FIGHT - I hope like Gandhi’s Pathan friend Badshar Khan(Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) (check him out)a Pashtun nonviolent Muslim
FIGHT - Even if it means sacrifice to themselves to totally repudiate the oligarchy
FIGHT - As if their lives depend on active resistance - which they do
When people realize that they cannot ignore the actions of the government and relaize they themselves are the governmet, only then is change possible.
What a shame to let cowardice bring down such a noble experiment of human governance!!
Here are some comments by a man who stood by Gandhi - Badshah Khan, who led a 100,000 person army of non-violent Pashtuns from the Khyber pass region. He was a Pashtun (Afghan) political and spiritual leader known for his non-violent opposition to British Rule during the final years of the Empire on the Indian sub-continent. He was a lifelong pacifist and a devout Muslim. He was known as Badshah Khan (sometimes written as Bacha Khan), the `King of Chiefs’, and `Frontier Gandhi’.
“To me nonviolence has come to represent a panacea for all the evils that surround my people. Therefore I am devoting all my energies toward the establishment of a society that would be based on its principles of truth and peace.” –
Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
“Today’s world is traveling in some strange direction. You see that the world is going toward destruction and violence. And the specialty of violence is to create hatred among people and to create fear. I am a believer in nonviolence and I say that no peace or tranquility will descend upon the people of the world until nonviolence is practiced, because nonviolence is love and it stirs courage in people.” – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan to an interviewer in 1985
His story is contained in ‘Nonviolent Soldier of Islam: Badshah Khan, A Man To Match His Mountains’, by Eknath Easwaran (Published by Nilgiri Press).
Also see NPR highlights:
http://www.npr.org/programs/musings/2003/jan/khan.html?sc=emaf
“Our military spending has reached $1 billion every 2-1/2 days and we are borrowing $2-1/2 billion per day. Bush is mortgaging our children’s future security and wealth.”
If this country tries to ‘liberate’ Iran, what do you think the borrowing will have to be to support that adventure? And if we are condemmed by the whole world, who do we think is going to loan us the money?
While the Continental Army agreed to fight the British with no pay, one we start using-up our whiz-bang weapons, our corporate partners in the military-industrial complex are going to want their billions to provide us with war-fighting equipment. And if our IOU’s become worthless, they’re going to have second thoughts about spending their ill-gotten gains to support this Administration’s war and 100 year Republican Reich.
FINI
The delussional members of the Administration down in the bunker, and their enablers outside, can’t grasp a simple reality for their dreams of Empire. Remember, the Germans surrendered unconditionally a week after Hitler killed himself.
Fini. We should be so lucky as to have our Fuhrer repeat history. This is the worst nightmare of my life. and I am not young.
I know nothing of the inner workings of the US Military— but the idea of a coup de etat is strangely, looking like an acceptable option. The obvious downside is that most career military types are by nature right wing. This is surreal—- How can such fools make every decision wrong?
I believe we should have a national strike–
a non-violent show of solidarity against this evil empire. I would certainly saddle Rocinante and join. The problem is, only a small percentage of the population is aware of the danger we face, and the unimaginable consequences of a continuation of the march over the cliff.
Given this preparation for unconditional war, Iran would be fully justified in doing an all out pre-emptive attack.
Isn’t Lieberman a known foreign agent? I think he reports to Israel’s defense minister. He certainly doesn’t represent the US. Well, if Bush appoints him A-G it’ll be a little easier to hold him accountable for his work selling out the USA.
There are now probably enough doubters and opponents of Bush/Cheney among congress and the public, however timid they still are, that that timidity could easily evaporate and impeachment actions come alive, if attacks on Iran were ordered.
This time, especially if once again there was no independently pre-vetted “evidence” presented to congressional leaders before hand, even a good many neocons would probably oppose the move.
Bush/Cheney know this political calculus though it’s not inconceivable they’d choose to ignore it. They’re certainly deranged enough. But they also might take an easier way out by having Israel do the dirty work instead.
Such a proxy move wouldn’t fool anyone. But it would get the dirty work done while helping to confuse impeachment legalities at home.
Still, if Iran is attacked by the US (either way), and millions of Americans aren’t then, finally brought out into streets demanding Bush/Cheney’s ouster, we Americans will be more than just brain-dead. We will be both a brain dead people and a conquered people; conquered by our own government.
I’m not a huge fan of religion, and the fact that each side of this follows a different flavor of mono-theism can’t help matters, BUT this is about oil. Not necessarily the supply of it, since as others have written elsewhere, once a tanker is out on the ocean the oil is in the world market. Iran would have a hard time shutting us out. The issue is CONTROL of the region and the black gold under it. Darth Cheney has concluded that our turn to the dark side will not be complete until Iran falls.
As I’ve mentioned in other comments years prior to CD allowing comments, this is the reason our jobs have been offshored. This is the reason that corporations have been actively encouraged to locate their profits less on America. When the addicted to self inflicted catastrophe insane idiots destroy Iran’s military - and they will - they will lie about it and launch Iran’s retaliation on top of our heads.
Low-intensity? Not when you can unleash Armageddon and fulfill the self-fulling prophecies of the Bible. Not a chance. It’s all or nothing for the midnight cowboy and posse.
They have to destroy Iran, then bomb America senseless. Even the large corporations won’t mind one bit since they’ve moved their most important operations off shore already. Why do you think Halliburton got out?
The only options left to us is either to incorporate as We The People, Inc. or convince Congress to start impeachment to keep everybody busy.
I despise Conyers for saying he doesn’t have the votes because he’s missing the big picture: keep the heat on these guys hot enough to make them sweat. But then Conyers is all too typical of most reps: he’s a good Christian and he too believes at some point in time soon that Christ will return. Problem is that Christ ain’t gonna!
If the title to this article wasn’t so deadly serious, it would be humerous. Bush does not plan anything. He didn’t plan past the attack on Iraq. If there had been any planning, we wouldn’t have the mess over there than now exists. The Bush administration’s policies are a total disaster, and if and when he attacks Iran we will all realize just how true that comment is. Bush will not only have destroyed Iraq, he will destroy America.
>” Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center”
I’m sure that the Cheney administration will be equally successful in Iran as they were in Iraq.
I have always thought that Lieberman was a senator for Israel.
Get ready for big trouble.
Blair’s gone. Rove’s gone. Gonzales has gone. Rice seems to be AWOL. British troops evacuated from Basra city today to their stronghold at Basra airport. Some more dots to join up? (i.e. people, yes even Rove and Fredo, realising they’re now in over their heads in the Big Muddy.) On the other hand, the good news is - the more isolated Bush and Cheney become, the easier it becomes for everyone else to join… oh, what shall we call it? A coalition of the awaking?
Oh, come on Kem, of course they planned in Iraq. Their tanks raced across Iraq and landed in front of… the oil ministry. Now that’s planning!
Mark my words” Dems = Bush -enablers.
And the soldiers and the bomber pilots who are going to bomb Iran are going to be war criminals, just like all US soldiers in Iraq.
This is extraordinarily frightening. Marjory Cohn is an extremely well-credentialed attorney and author. I have been hoping and praying that our representatives would begin to speak out loudly against any Iranian action. So far, nothing but silence, it seems. Is there no one left in our government who will stop this madness? I have emailed Conyers about bringing forth the impeachment resolution, which would at least slow this down some, but I wonder whether the leadership will ever let it see the light of day…or Conyers will get up the balls to just go ahead an do it…and show us that he really is, after all, a patriot.
By the way, I am a CT native and worked for a number of years for the AFL-CIO in the state. Joe Lieberman was the darling of the labor movement back in the late 70’s; he was truly “one of the good guys.” Whatever happened to him?
Global: You have it right . These war criminals need to be impeached NOW.Nancy Pelosi should never have been elected Speaker of the House when she took impeachment off the table before the democrats were sworn in.Pelosi is a disaster.Bush/Cheney are mad men who for some reason want to destroy the world so they must be run out of office before they start WWIII
Stinger–Of course you are correct–thanks for the spell check, agous and all!
“Pelosi never should have been elected Speaker of the House”. Well, unfortunantely she was. Is there going to be an impeachment of anyone? I’d put my bet on Bush attacking Iran before we see anyone impeached.
If that fool does it, you’d better stock up on food supplies, medicine, plastic sheeting, duck tape, water, candles, fishing gear, rat traps and sleeping bags. It is gonna get rough. Did you know, the only fat in rodents is in their intestines. If you should ever find yourself in the positon of having to survive on mice and rats, clean out their guts, but save the membrane to put in the stew pot. We do require some fat in our diet.
This will be the irony of it all.
After the bombing has stopped and the tears are still being shed all over the world, the Temple in Israel will NOT rise, the clouds will NOT move away and there will be NO “Second Coming” of Jesus. Only the wailing of mother’s and children, destruction and death. All those stupid books on the Bestseller lists about the “Second Coming” will be relegated to where they belong…right up people’s asses!
All the “Born Again Hating Christians” in the Bible Belt and their wacked out Jewish “Brethren” in the Holy Land better run for cover. There will be Hell to pay to all of them for their intolerance and pure evil, hateful natures.
Having been raised as a Jesus-loving Christian, I suppose now would be a good time to take down all the pictures I have of J.C. around my house, lest I have a mark on me once all the shooting stops.
What IDIOTS! And to think of Jesus’ statement at the Last Supper: “Of all the commandments you have been given, this is the most important of all. Love one another as I have loved you.”
Those right-wing wacko Bible Belt Christian Fundamentalists and their Jewish “Brethren” in Israel JUST DON’T GET IT. They are too full of HATE and self-righteous indignation to see the proverbial forest for the trees.
‘tens of thousands’ of dead Iraqi’s? The best study done so far, by Johns Hopkins, say their most recent research on the subject indicates a death toll closer to 700,000. If people, such as this author Marjorie Cohn, disagree with their methodology they should say why, rather than continuing the almost complete suppression of this research.
KEM PATRICK, thanks for the info on rat gut. i’m sitting here listening to wagner’s “the ring,” whose theme is of course the lust for total power. yes, there’s oil, there’s israel, there’s the military-industrial-congressional-pharmaceutical-entertainment-etc. complex, the overworked or indifferent or complicit average american, but there’s also the irrational, frenzied lust for control. and it runs throughout our gov’t (the dems are no different.)
iran won’t be no cakewalk, though. one reason we had sanctions for 12 years in iraq is to wear down the country so much that in effect it would be like invading grenada or panama.
in other news, bushlicker sarkozy just practically sanctioned bombing iran, and msnbc is reporting that iran is bombing villages in kurdish iraq.
Still time to convert to Judaism and invest in Halliburton or Exxon. And re-chose your parents. I’d suggest Ivy League old money.
In any case, the neocons already control the senate. There are enough crypto-Democrats, hawks, old money, Democrats in Name Only, and DLC/Blue Dog people that controlling the Senate in Name Only doesn’t matter worth a hill of beans.
There’s been no impeachment, no pulling out of Iraq, no substantial voting reforms, no single-payer, zilch. So the Dems lose control of the Senate. Who the hell would notice?
Derby35 must be on the AIPAC payroll.
” an outright attack seems unrealistic”
These are not realists, but sociopaths undergirded by ideology, so they’re doubly removed from reality.
I am still curious to see what China will do. The question will become how much of their economy and people will they be willing to sacrifice if they dump U.S. treasury bills (which will put a major hurt on our economy)? Also keep in mind China signed an $8 billion oil deal with Iran. I do not think they would be willing to throw away that amount of money.
“I’ve lost count about how many times Ahmadinajab has threatened us and Israel with destruction”
That would be zero times, while the threats continue unabated from USrael. And his name is Ahmadinejad. I know it’s a very hard name to spell.
As a born-again yellowdog, I’m afraid Joe Leiberman fits the bible’s criteria of the one and only Anti-Christ. The Christain born-agains’ prophecy may unfortunately come true– they may just be a bit confused about who’s good and who’s evil.
People often debate who wrote the better dystopian novel. Orwell or Huxley? Well, at this point I would say neither.
Sinclair Lewis was the closest to the Hole; a Black Hole that is. “It Can’t Happen Here”, published in 1935, portrays the same socio-political threats and degradations of a well-coordinated Fascist takeover not unlike the one we face today.
It could have happened by force in 1933, if key members of the Wall Street Gang had had their way (see The Plot to Seize the White House by Archer (republished 2007), but with the advances in the Methods of Manufacturing Consent a club is no longer necessary. Coordinated propaganda campaigns with the right amount of marketing–sports, sex, violence, and unbridled consumerism, which in the MSM are all kind of the same thing, right?
We are experiencing the unavoidable aftershocks of massive social earthquakes, “hot zones”, if you will, reverberating outward and BushCo is riding the Wave looking for more terra to stomp on. Join us or U R Fucked. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia, Loas and next Iran. Read Lewis’ account and get your passports and visas in order.
IMPEACHMENT
impeachment is the only way to get rid of the mess in Washington We must demand it. But the people seem to have no way to contact their Representatives when their emails are not delivered and when their phone calls are politely ignored. Any ideas anyone.?????? STRIKE FOR IMPEACHMENT NOW
Charles Shaw, wouldn’t writing ‘tens of thousands’ be appropriate, if the number was 700,000? That’s ten thousand, times seven, or ‘tens of thousands’. I think it is. ___ Do I mis-understand your point?
Hi there Claudius,___ yes indeed. I agree with you. China could easily survive without any of our buying their ‘American made’ goods. After America dropped to the status of a forth world nation, China would continue on and not have to worry about our using the world’s natural resources. They already have our technology, there would be plenty of other country’s to purchase their goods.
If I were a leader of China and America attacked Iran, I’d dump the treasury bills and laugh. I might do it fairly soon even if Iran was not attacked. The Chinese are a very patient race of people and they would know how to survive a world wide depression, they have enough food supplies to do so. Durng the Korean war, their troops each carried a two week supply of food, a long ribbon of pressed cooked rice, mixed with peas and dried fish, wrapped in rice paper and burlap. We don’t know how to survive that way, and this isn’t 1929.
Who’d of thunk it. A frat boy from Texas could bring down the good ol USA!!!! Kind of like Lee Harvey Oswald. Who’d of thunk a loser with a $17 cheap imported rifle would blow Kennedy’s brains all over Texas. What is it about Texas anyway? 2 Presidents with no brains both in Texas? Hmmmm?
Ya gotta admit one thing. Bush being President is exciting!!! He’s taking us places weve never been before some people are finding religion,some are leaving the country some are angry and many are scared. Exciting stuff!! Sort of like you are running a crack house and the swat team is breaking down your door. You know its not going to turn out well but what a rush!!!
It’s about time for an American Resistance. Our country has been invaded and occupied by a fascist regime. I’m afraid there’s only one way to stop them. The same way as our Iraqi counterparts.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6577
“The Iraqi Resistance is by definition democratic as it is the spontaneous expression of a people who took its destiny into its hands, and is by definition progressive as it defends the interests of the people.”
The Iraqi Resistance and the other resistance movements of the Middle East are movements of the peoples and by nature egalitarian.
It’s about time for an American Resistance? How pray tell?
Throw some eggs at the White house? What kind of resistance? Wear some Bush Lied T-shirts? Blog till were bleary eyed? I know I sound demeaning . But resist How?
Protest, sing hippy songs, put flowers in your hair, listen to Dylan?
“One name that’s been floated for Bush’s third attorney general is Joe Lieberman, the “independent” senator from Connecticut. Lieberman, who advocates the use of military force against Iran, was the only person Bush quoted in his August 28 speech to the American Legion. Bush called Iran “the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism” and pledged to “confront Tehran’s murderous activities.”
“Similarly, Lieberman would ensure the Justice Department mounts a vigorous defense of a war of aggression against Iran. And Bush would get a two-fer: Connecticut’s Republican governor would appoint a Republican to fill Lieberman’s seat, returning control of the Senate to the GOP. A Republican-controlled Senate would direct the agenda, thereby furthering the Bush/Cheney plan.”
No!
lo Q. Lieberman as Attorney General? Scary indeed. Its bad enough we have Chertoff as head of Homeland Security and Cheney at the healm of the neocon ship.
All I can say OMG where the hell is my passport. Time to flee the Titanic before they start rounding up political dissidents! We are sooooo F%@#+%!
“People often debate who wrote the better dystopian novel. Orwell or Huxley? Well, at this point I would say neither.
Sinclair Lewis was the closest to the Hole; a Black Hole that is. “It Can’t Happen Here”, published in 1935, portrays the same socio-political threats and degradations of a well-coordinated Fascist takeover not unlike the one we face today”
Between autumn 2001 and autumn 2004, the book disappeared from American shelves; the publisher refused to issue a new edition. It’s far too close to the reality — the dimwit businessman fronting for the party, the chief advisor enjoying same-sex orgies & the repressed homoerotic nature of fascism (”Sen. Craig, fancy meeting you in this stall!”), the theocratic broadcaster (a reactionary bishop in “It Can’t Happen Here”), and of course the common sensical liberal newspaperman who can’t believe that things are actually heading down the fascist road.
Dichterfreund
Yeah, it doesn’t surprise me a bit the book disappeared, kinda like Clear Channel not allowing thousands of radio stations to play Lennon’s “Give Peace a Chance” directly following the 9-11 debacle.
A new paperback version of the book came out in 2005 published by Signet Classics (Penguin Group) with a new introduction by a PhD by the name of Micheal Meyer. 2005 is about the time that it became OK to criticize BushCo in the MSM. So, even the fortunate re-issue of the book is governed buy a proverbial nod from the Establishment. Whoa! Maybe we are all just characters in a Sinclair Lewis novel. It is sickeningly shocking how well Lewis pegged the future of US politics.
dougrambo:
such fun!!
probably is not gonna happen,
but i wish
my great-grand daughters
are not
toast
ken
Jack37,
“There can be no real revolution for human peace until we throw that f-ing book out of our souls”
Amen to that!
The biggest and most successful scam ever perpetrated in the history of Mankind!”
i agree with both of you. i really hate the bible. it’s a detestable, loathsome creation.
it’s not a book of peace, a good book or a book of love. give the old testament a good test drive. the most mindless murder and violence. the entire world pretty much destroyed wit a flood? the murder of 50k+ people for looking into a box “The ark”. so on and so forth.
is it any surprise that the violent mindset still exist?
In view of the absurdity the hair brain schemes to bomb Iran and provid arms to this volatile region, and the history of other ill conceived policies of this administration, one can only conclude that the arms merchants are instrumental in its conception.
After tolerating this theocratic administration, guided by special interests for over six years, Americans must assume blame for the destruction that they have caused.
Didn’t the Nazis burn Bibles though?
Two years ago I finished an updated novel somewhat similar to ‘A Black Hole’ and no literary agent or publisher would touch it. They tell me the far right ‘Christians’ would have me and them burned at the stake.
Lee H. Oswald did not fire the third shot, but JFKs replacement was a Texan.
Would Congress confirm Lie-Burrrr-man for Attorney General? I can’t see that happening. Of course a lot of happenings I didn’t see until they were seeable, I’m not the brightest political hack around. I do know quite a bit about cooking rodents, read and studied the book, ‘Opossum Living’.
abbybwood September 2nd, 2007 7:06 pm
This will be the irony of it all.
After the bombing has stopped and the tears are still being shed all over the world, the Temple in Israel will NOT rise, the clouds will NOT move away and there will be NO “Second Coming” of Jesus.
IMO, an alien visitation is more likely when the time comes. According to David M. Jacobs, Ph.D., even a 51 year old lady is being abducted and trained for a future rescue mission. How many more years will she live? Why an old lady? (Sorry.) Therefore David M. Jacobs, Ph.D., arrived to the following conservative estimate: The time will come within the next 40 years. I think it will be much sooner, and more than likely, in 2012 (see Mayan calendar).
to KEM PATRICK, You write ‘thats ten thousand, times seven’, but ten thousand times seven is 70,000. 700,000 would be expressed as ‘hundreds of thousands’, not ‘tens of thousands’ as the author Marjorie Cohn initially wrote in the above article. She has since changed it to now read ‘hundreds of thousands’ in the same article that now appears on her blog.
But resist How? asks Dougrambo.
Like put your backpack on then get out of your house or condo, begin marching towards Washington. Carry a big sign saying WHEREVER YOU ARE, JOIN ME TO SAVE AMERICA. The media will pick up on it straight away and others will join you. Soon there may be twenty or thirty then fifty marching with you.
Others, seeing your bravery and sincerity will begin from other locations. Soon there will be an army marching across the States of America towards Washington to rid it of the cancer that bedevils it.
What are you waiting for?
If you intend to initiate a military action against a nation that declares it will fight back , then doesn’t it make sense to put out of action (i.e.destroy) its means to fight back (i.e. its military).
The U.S. military machine, U.S. nationalists (most Americans are “nationalists”) and U.S. capitalists (most Americans are “capitalists”) are on the road to total world domination. The chorus of religious fundamentalists supporting U.S. world domination is merely the support act although a huge one. How much do Militarism, Nationalism and Capitalism depend on ANY religion or its book to do their evil deeds?
Militarism, Nationalism and Capitalism have considerable opposition from amongst religious people, just as they have support from many religious people.
Many commentators above here scare the hell out of me with their hatred for all religion as such. They need to refine their thinking a bit to be more successful. When you read about something bad like in the above article, if you want to overcome it you need to discern its fundamental causes from that which is largely just disagreeable noise.
The line between religion and nationalism has long been blurred by the Jews and Christians for Israel. Their opponents should realise that Zionism is just another modern day nationalism that emerged with the rise of European nationalism just over a hundred years ago. In my book all nationalisms are bad. But currently the most dangerous nationalisms by far are those from America and Israel. Iranian fundamentalism is nothing compared with those two nationalisms. Also the relatively defensive nationalism of Iranians is nothing compared with what it will be after they get attacked. Certainly any chance of greater democratisation will be finished for ages to come as “democracy” will be seen for what it is; largely Western Propaganda. The winning of hearts and minds has clearly been overtaken by the resort to brute force. The long term chickens will come home to roost.
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Daniel Smythe,
People have tried that already; two young people have been reported as marching across the nation against the war; no one has joined them, in fact, there was one other person with them to begin with and they dropped out. Cindy Sheehan also had a similar march, and I can’t say what it has done.
Thank you Charles. Math and speling brought my grade average down.
Being Spied. OLD lady, (51) years OLD! Damn, I must be ancient. Guess I’d better go cimb the mounain and meditate till I fall over dead. I’m 71, a uselss waste, using valuable energy from the Earth and polluting the atmosphere with my big mouth and C-02 farts.
Hey Paul, I don’t have any hair and would Yanni be Ok instead of Dylan? Yannis’ concert at the Accorppolis.
Where then are the 70% of folk who oppose Bush and everything he stands for, lo Q?
How is it that we in Australia continuously hear lots about all the ill-feeling towards Bush in America yet there’s so little action to get rid of him? He’s only a bloody politician after all, not God!
Two and two don’t add up to four!
Jan September 3rd, 2007 1:57 am
The long term chickens will come home to roost.
It has already happened.
Not long ago, in a small third-world agriculture country, farmers (including women and children) were being sprayed with Agent Orange. This small third-world agriculture country was then bombed back into the stone age (as if being third-world was not bad enough). Any harm or fatality to the innocent was considered ‘colateral damage.’ Since then, little did Americans know the same evil doers would perform a cruel act, not in Vietnam this time, but in America itself on 9/11.
A few thoughts:
Lieberman, if nominated, WILL be okayed by the Senate. There is NO way they would refuse one of their own, regardless. I susupect they would put Larry Craig in there is he wasn’t resigning. NO member of the Senate would ever be refused a higher post, because they ALL want those higher posts, and don’t want to jeopardize their own chances. You or I wouldn’t put him in the position of Dog catcher, but W isn’t us, now is he, and neither are WE in congress.
W says he wants an Iranian gov’t that is accountable to the people. Funny, I would like an America that has such a leadership. We haven’t had one for pretty much my entire life, and I just turned 49.
I’ve been saying for three years, now, that W and Cheney want to get us into Iran. I said so after his first post Iraq invasion speech where he mentioned Iran. I heard the war cry at that point, and I had that sick feeling in my gut that he was going to try to pull this off, too. Two countries invaded, Osama still on the loose, and W “doesn’t pay much attention to him”. Of course not, he is a convenient bogey man. More fodder for the war on courage.
Pelosi needs desperately to be defeated in the next election. We as a country cannot afford a speaker of the house that doesn’t know what their duties are in accordance with the constitution. I suspect she does know, but just doesn’t give a flying rat’s ass. Are you listening, San Francisco? Do your duty as citizens and send this woman packing. She has failed at this job, and it’s far too important to allow her to continue in it. If she were doing her job, W would already be gone. She is an impediment to the constitution, and needs to be removed.
W will not be satisfied until he has started WWIII. He cannot be allowed to do so. Under ANY circumstances. We MUST stand up and tell EVERY congress critter that this will NOT be acceptable. We have NO business attacking yet another country that poses NO THREAT to us whatsoever.
Ahmadinejad has no real power to compel Iran to attack anyone. He is a figurehead, much like if the Queen of England said that they would attack someone else. She has NO power to initiate such a move. Neither does he. The real power rests in the hands of the religious leaders, and they are in no hurry to go to Allah before their time, and have no interest in destroying their country.
Iran is also one of the most westernized countries in the area. Thanks to our supplying Iraq AND Iran with weapons during their ten year war, the Iranians are missing an entire generation of citizens. They have old people and young people, but very few middle aged people. The young LIKE us, the old are distrustful and with good reason. But the young want to be like us in many ways. And so, apparently, we have to go and kill them all, destroy their country and turn most of them into refugees as soon as possible. This also cannot be allowed.
The only way out of this is to start impeachment procedings immediately. If there was EVER an administration that deserved it, and in fact, NEEDED it, this is it. And remember, the constitution says that impeachment WILL be used, not MAY be used. WILL be used. The founding fathers didn’t see this as something to tear the country apart, regardless of what the press keeps telling us. This was supposed to be used ANY time that the president was unacountable and was committing crimes. That is exactly what we have now.
It is high time that the people of THIS country get sick and tired of their gov’t declaring war on them every other week. The war on drugs, the war on education, the war of terror and on courage… I’m sick of being the problem when I’m NOT doing anything. Americans should NOT be treating each other this way. Tell Congress to stop seeing US as the problem and doing everything they can to screw us to death.
That’s enough, if not too much, for now.
Daniel Smythe September 3rd, 2007 3:06 am
He’s only a bloody politician after all, not God!
Daniel, please understand. 1. Militarily, he’s the commander of the world’s sole super power. 2. Financially, he’s supported by the world largest capitalist corporations.
Oh, I almost forget to tell you. Most of the Americans (including me) have been exposed to fluoride on a regular basis - the same chemical utilized in Nazi concentration camps to decrease the mental acuity of the detainees.
stinger, i wish i had your certainty about how you “know” all these things. you give the establishment way too much credit & power. what do you mean by the term “establishment” anyway when you say they killed JFK? is there one “establishment”? is congress that? every member of congress? is the FBI? the CIA? is big business? is it just the oil bizness, or international finance, too? what about the entertainment industry? and military industry? were all these people in on the JFK thing?
as far as the dumbya admin goes, i can tell you w/some experience in dealing w/military & military-industrial types, CIA, DOJ, there are plenty of people in those worlds who think bush is absolutely nuts.
the point being there are many conflicting interests w/in “the establishment.” the GWOT and Iraq war are partially an attempt to homogenize all these interests w/a war drive, fear mongering, etc. (and probably black flag ops, too; i don’t put that shit past any of them).
For those interested in a psychological analysis of the warmongering we are witnessing, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives–concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq–or an attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.
If the “us”, a country i no longer recognize, were to foolishly attack Iran on order of a madman, tell me why the following would not be likely:
1. Iran sends troops into Iraq (aren’t the british on their way out?), and along with support from many of the Iraq People takes control of significant portions of what had been Iraq. The Kurds establish an autonomous country of their own possibly after some conflict with Turkey.
2. us troops on the ground, which are already suffering from fatigue and low morale are ultimately overwhelmed and decimated with deaths tolls and permanent life-altering injuries (physical and mental) increasing by an order of magnitude or more from what has occurred thus far.
3. Oil supplies from the middle east severely disrupted exacerbating the current worldwide fragile economic situation and likely resulting in a worldwide depression that lasts for a decade or so.
4. Radicals in Saudi Arabia recognizing an opportunity to threaten, destabilize, and overwhelm the Saudi Arabia regime (this would likely also occur for Egypt, Pakistan, and others).
5. The psuedo christian end-time crazies and associated subjugated robots in the us air force would bomb the daylights out of just about everything with “innocence” (babies, children, women, men, animals, etc) paying by far the highest price - likely a few million or more dead and several times higher injured and displaced. Eventually though all air force assets in the middle east would be captured and destroyed.
6. Likelihood of a nuclear attack in the us increases substantially with entire cities vulnerable.
7. Likelihood of us citizenry revolting against all interests in DC becomes an almost certainty.
8. Local populations in the us banding together for their own self interest and in essence seceding from all government control — police forces and others along with local military personnel joining with the local populations to help establish local order. Local populations establishing their own governments not subject to any larger centralized control.
9. Citizens in these local populations taking over assests of wealthy individuals for the good of the entire community — at first there would be casulities, but eventually the formerly wealthy would realize that resistance is futile.
10. A “new world order” being established with all those who caused the suffering of innocence being subjugated to justice (it could be “texas” justice or a higher-order justice that sets the tone for future Peace).
I say lets just skip 1-6 and implement steps 7, 8, 9, and 10 in a deliberate, controlled, and peaceful manner. It can be done.
In the end, we get to the same place, its just the hard way or the easy way.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support Impeachment of DC
I think Jaded Prole @ 12:48 pm has the best handle on it:
“Given the IAEA report stating the Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, the state of the military, the lack of public support for such an escalation and the reality that Iran is not Iraq and bombing them with anything less than nukes (not a viably acceptable option) would not be effective at anything but inciting massive retiation, an outright attack seems unrealistic. More likely they will keep it low-intensity.”
As for Lieberman at the AG post, that might not be so bad: get him out of foreign policy and out of the Senate. Even if he were replaced with a Republican, the new senator would be less pro-war than Lieberman.
I posted this 6 months ago in response to a blogger quote of T.S. Eliot and to a Pelosi post on Huffington Post. Referring to the world’s end, Eliot wrote:
“It ends not with a bang, but a whimper.”
I suggested that if the US invaded Iran, we (the world) would be experiencing a pretty severe bump, if not a “bang”.
Pelosi’s post referred to the first 100 hours (days, I can’t remember).
Also, one should look to a current article on “www.truthout.org”; It posits that the US is planing on 12,000 targets in Iran.
But to Pelosi in January—
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We all need to focus on this one matter of attacking Iran with nukes or attacking Iran at all.
The most urgent matter today is not Iraq, not the economy, not global warming, not the attacks by the Administration on the US Constitution, but the impending nuclear strike by the US and/or Israel against Iran. Time is too short to quibble over what parliamentary action the US Congress should take against the administration. If they (the Admin neocons) think that they are about to be deterred in any way by the legislative branch, they will act, and anything initiated from Israel will be considered by all the powers that be in the Middle East as an attack by the US.
I think if I were part of an Iranian planning operation, I would not target Israeli or Saudi cities. I would already have the Straight of Hormuz, the major US military bases in Iraq, major US military warships (i.e. carriers), and the Saudi oil fields as my missile and air weapons targets. And given that a massive “shock and awe” US and/or Israeli offensive against Iranian targets would result in an equally massive “use it or loose it” launch against those targets, we the people of this world would experience a very unpleasant day in the Middle East with many even more unpleasant years to follow.
Miss Pelosi, is anyone in Congress thinking along those lines? Is there anything you can do to stop this?
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(In this, I didn’t even take into accout what the reactions of Russia and China would be.)
Amazing! Not a single fascist in the lot. Maybe they haven’t noticed. Or perhaps the accumulating evidence of dissembling, corruption, incompetence, hypocrisy, dishonesty, bloodthirst, etc., has become so overwhelming that even the most ardent defenders of the regime are beginning to see the light…
But then there is Congress. I am afraid that the consensus that the dem/doormats will just cheer is correct. Somehow the dems have to be wakened from their torpor. Forget the talk of assassination, rebellion in the ranks/military coups (the Joint Chiefs refuse an order? Who are you kidding?), there is only one course open to us. Until these buggers are removed from office they are just going to continue down this same path. The only option is impeachment; but if they bomb Iran, they will probably suspend the legislative branch, anyway.
Daniel Smythe:
>How is it that we in Australia continuously hear lots about
>all the ill-feeling towards Bush in America yet there’s so
>little action to get rid of him? He’s only a bloody
>politician after all, not God!
I think you Australians should first clean up your own back yard and then criticizing others. Can you say the same thing about your beloved prime minister who is equal (if not worse) than Bush?
WmC: the key is flipping Senate control to the Republicans. That would be very bad.
Stinger: In response to your jab at me about mostly intelligent people being on this blog and some comment about bullshit about Lee Harvey. First off lighten up! It was only a JOKE!!! Secondly mostly intelligent people realize that there was no coverup It probably was a nut job with a $17 gun. My point was THIS As ironic as it was for a loser like Lee Harvey Oswald to take down the president. It is equally ironic that we are suffering at the hands of another LOSER that doesnt deserve to be president. Because he lacks all the necessaty qualifications like intelligence,integrity and compassion. And as Forrest Gump would say: And that’s all I got to say bout that! Except one more thing? Have you been drinking the Koolaid again!
Check this out about the bush doing some traveling….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070903/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush;_ylt=Atgb8B7_9ilt2Pw6joYpdYCs0NUE
I honestly think the fella is not well and could use a break. He ought to just WALK out of the “currently-non” white house. Decide he is tired of making decisions. He could still sort of be the president for awhile. Meantime, cheney could be impeached. It would be an awesome show. Way better then the one being forced now…..
Just an idea…..
Peace,
Ken Hausle
So, Bush only has a few months left and there’s no reason to go ahead with impeachment now???? I’m not at all willing to think that he’ll stand by as the lame duck he is and go to his ranch and wait for ‘09. This president is a serious danger to all humanity and to allow him to stay is office is the Democrats’ main failing.
I am SO SICK of hearing these mealy-mouthed justifications from our electeds who HAVE THE POWER TO STOP this president from further destruction of the planet, but who waffle spinelessly in some kind of misguided allegiance to their so-called “leadership.”
IMPEACHMENT is the only answer at this point…both Bush and Cheney. But, an obvious problem is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who everyone there must realize is too weak to take over even as an interim placeholder president. Her before-election announcement that “impeachment is off the table” boxed her into a corner, and her unwillingness to revisit this ill-conceived pronouncement shows an inflexibility that does not serve the country well.
Find your local impeachment group and get involved. bcimpeach.com is a good place to start. ###
Sadly any reference to Leiberman’s umbilical cord into AIPAC and Tel Aviv will be spun into anti semitism as always. The Dum’s( the new right wing DLC) & Dim’s (the old left wing DNC) will no doubt play their favorable votes as voting for a centrist. The truth is they will be voting for their own and a staunch advocate for Connecticut banking which will no doubt make tons of cash financing some part of this war for chaos.
If one takes a good look at what is happening in Palestine with the creation of a false state no one would recognize if not for rabid US support you can get a glimpse of the future for those who are not fundamentalist Jews or Christians. For years my own theories revolved around the holocaust victims (rabid Zionists and founders of Israel) learning their tactics for dealing with the people who already lived there from their captors the Nazi’s.
But now I have come to believe that our own unquestioning support of the atrocity that is Israel is due to the fact that our own nation was founded in like manner. We too came from Europe (those who came by choice) and found others ‘in the way’ of our Manifest Arrogance. We simply slaughtered those capable of protesting and fighting back and rounded the rest of the helpless that remained into ‘reservations’ as if this were humane. We even deluded ourselves into trying to “civilize” the Native Americans.
Israel is doing the same thing to Palestine only they chose an entirely different name to dissassociate themselves from their Palestinian brothers. There are no “Native Israeli’s” just subhuman (in the eyes of Israel) Palestinians. they have learned well from their teachers though, and the teachers are the U.S. and it’s own creation, NOT the NAzi’s as I used to think.
i don’t know what pelosi is so scared of. she could beat the diapars right off cheney.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* Nancy, even if some “unseemingly” things come out, i’ll back ya if you start impeachment. Just trying to make a deal….
Last post of the day for me, but how bout this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070903/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush;_ylt=Apx7y4t4FIsCUGNc6dl4Lx6s0NUE
Bush, the “great chief” holds war council, and council decides: PEACE.
Now that would also be an awesome story. Course there would have to be a bunch more chapters, but still, what a start….
Peace,
Ken Hausle
I have no doubt that this is one of the many nightmare scenarios coming out of the Pentagon’s war games. What I find hard to believe in this article is that fanatics within AIPAC cynically accepting the support of lunatics waiting for Jesus to arrive to pull off the Rapture can prevent Congress from acting before this holocaust begins.
We are talking here of a gutless and helpless Congress in the face of insanity and undoubtedly the ultimate murder of millions.
the problem when they bring up all the loving quotes from the bible is, you just cannot ignore all the violence, that is perpetrated by the god they worship. all the spin in the world cannot change that. so when i hear about a loving god, personally it makes me gag. my opinion of the god in the bible? biggest mass murderer in the history of mankind.
I hope the people in Liberman’s home state are tickled pink over these developments. Liberman will have clear sailing through Congress as every job in Washington is secured by the Israeli lobby. Nobody wants to loose their job. Consider that Liberman could be standing in Cheney’s shoes. Makes one shudder.
test,
this is only a test
(of a new link cause the old one stopped working)
Peace,
Ken Hausle
* I support Impeachment…..
Ken Hausle September 3rd, 2007 10:44 am
“i don’t know what pelosi is so scared of. she could beat the diapars right off cheney.”
Pelosi, like then rest of our elected representatives, Republican or Democrats, are torch bearers of Israeli interest. So she is not afraid, she is just playing out her designated role.
Welcome to USrael.
citizen1: i suppose by this time i should know better than to even hope anyone (with perhaps just a few exceptions) in congress has the intent of actually doing the “People’s will”. In fact, lately i’m starting to think that it could ultimately be republicans who actually demonstrate leadership in stopping this “train wreck” in a last ditch attempt to reclaim their lost principles…..because otherwise, it appears that the republican party will go down in flames….
As for the democratic party, it looks as if their fate will not be any better….in fact, it seems to me that by virtue of their collective enabling complicity (what imposters they are) they can claim responsibility for the ultimate downfall of the federal government altogether — good riddance as far as i’m concerned because what good has the federal government done for any of us lately…..it is obviously broken in so many ways….
I won’t deny that it was “peachy’ to hear bush talk yesterday about reducing troop levels. Now he and his handlers just need to know the simple truism that “actions speak louder than words” and they should also know that “time is of the essence”. Plus, if this is just a diversion and there is still intent in attacking any other country, then all i can say is WHOA — because i think it should be more and more evident that there is a whole generation or two coming along with many courageous and caring individuals who have had enough of the BS, and who intend on doing something about it. Plus, pretty soon the self-absorbed, death-affirming elderly few will all be gone…..
Anyhow, once ALL of the troops are out of Iraq and reparations are established, then it becomes a simple matter of us citizens removing all of our false representatives (pelosi should be one of the first to go) and piece-by-piece forming new government entities capable of responding to the unprecedented ecological inbalances that demand REAL action and cooperation for the sake of humanity….
Peace,
Ken Hausle
BeingSpied24/7
As your name indicates “being spied on non stop” you are probably overly paranoid about many things these days. Paranoia is crippling.
When I said the “Chickens will come home to roost” I did not mean what you made of it that at 9 /11 the hidden powerful ones once again did an evil deed. Perhaps they did - perhaps they didn’t. But do you really want to deny real international opponents the possibility of escalating their responses against the USA in the future?
If every act of harm against the US were inflicted by their own secret powers, then there would be no violent forms of expression left for those who have been dispossessed or invaded by the US or Israel. Would you condemn all those who are invaded or bombed to be forever incapable of striking back because US secret “elites” continually do it first? Get real, hurt peoples will often fight back albeit usually ineffectively.
In the process of fighting back the world will be caught in an ever more viscious spiral of violence as the US also believes it is “fighting back”. If you reduce nearly all bad attacks on the US to being done by its own people, you are on a very dangerous path verging on paranoia. Then you run the risk of becoming incomprehensible to the very people you need to win over for peace. Truth is that the USA is increasing the numbers of people who want to hurt it by its continual aggression.
So I say again: If Iran is invaded or bombed, once again we will see, and even more so this time, that the “Chickens will come home to roost”.
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The power and wealth possessed by empires is, by its very nature, self-destructive. The American empire, left unrivaled after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, is destroying itself, pushed along by the stupidity, bloodlust and arrogance of George Wanker Bush and the I’m All Right, Jack complacency and cowardice of the other owners of said empire. This seems to be a law of nature. The problem is, it takes down the many innocent along with the few guilty.
Theories are not proven.
I am a conspiracy truthist.