WASHINGTON - Volney Warner thinks big. A retired Army four-star general who helped craft counterinsurgency doctrine during the Vietnam War, he's made a career out of thinking about how U.S. military strategy should advance America's global interests.
How does domestic politics shape military tactics? How and why did U.S. civilian and military leaders fail in Vietnam and Iraq? What has Iraq taught the U.S. military about unconventional war? 
Warner is more than a detached student of America's current conflicts: Seven of his immediate family members have served in the military, five of them in Iraq or Afghanistan. They include his two sons, one a retired brigadier general and the other a retired colonel; a son-in-law who trained local troops in Iraq as a brigadier general; a granddaughter who's a captain in the Army Reserve; a grandson serving in Iraq and another grandson at West Point who'll be commissioned as an officer in June and probably ordered to a war zone immediately.
Also, Warner's 24-year-old granddaughter, Army 1st Lt. Laura Walker, who served in Iraq in 2004 and was killed by a homemade bomb a year later on her second combat tour, this time in Afghanistan. Her death makes Warner ponder, sometimes publicly, who was responsible for sending his granddaughter to two war zones without a sound strategy for victory.
A highly regarded expert on counterinsurgency who enjoys a reputation among his peers as a sharp thinker who pulls no punches, Warner asks why the U.S. military - with all its tradition, training, equipment and support - has failed to learn the lessons of Vietnam and apply them to Iraq. He gave his answers in a series of interviews with a McClatchy Newspapers reporter.
Iraq and Vietnam, he said, are both products of failed civilian and military leadership. Presidents John F. Kennedy and George W. Bush began with flawed aims and assumptions, and in both cases they produced military strategies that were doomed to fail.
"If the strategy is wrong and the policy is wrong, you can't blame the people implementing it. They are trying to implement a political strategy that won't work. It's very difficult to turn the train around," said Warner, who at 81 heads a defense consulting firm in McLean, Va. "I have to believe that military leaders in positions of trust and confidence may have made stupid decisions (in the course of fighting an insurgency), but never with malice aforethought towards the country that spawned them and certainly not with intent to destroy the lives of those soldiers who believed in them, trusted their decisions and carried out their orders to their deaths."
The flawed assumptions of Vietnam and Iraq are nearly mirror images of one another.
In Vietnam, Kennedy and other policymakers believed in the "domino theory": If South Vietnam fell, other U.S. allies in the region - Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia - also would fall to the communists.
In Iraq, Bush and the neoconservative policymakers in the Pentagon and in Vice President Dick Cheney's office had a democracy theory: Implanting democracy in Iraq would be easy, and from there it would spread to Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and beyond. The fact that the most democratic nation in the region, by most standards, is Iran and that Islamists dominate some of the region's most popular political parties, including Hamas in the Palestinian territories and Hezbollah in Lebanon, seems not to have made much of an impression.
One of the lessons of Vietnam and Iraq, however, is the same: Some wars can't be won by the U.S. military alone. They can be won only by local populations.
The Warners and tens of thousands of other U.S. officers have volunteered for the task of making the Bush administration's Iraq and Afghanistan policies work. Unlike many in the military, members of the family also contribute to the public debate over those policies. Warner posts his views on military e-mail lists, in books written by friends, in essays he shares with his circle of comrades.
He insists that his conclusions about what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan are shaped largely by his time in Vietnam, not by his family's experiences.
Warner spent 10 years working on Vietnam policy, in different positions from the Mekong Delta to the White House. He rose from major to commander of the 3rd Brigade of the 4th Infantry Division, the division his granddaughter later joined. He helped implement counterinsurgency strategy in Vietnam, and by the end of his tour he felt that the U.S. had helped nurture a self-sufficient society in the Delta but not in the northern part of South Vietnam.
He came to the realization then that civilian advisers are a key piece of making a counterinsurgency plan work, and that the local population must rally behind a sense of national identity, not ideology. He concluded that advanced Western militaries shouldn't fight insurgencies; instead, the U.S. should come up with better diplomacy in order to avoid confronting such situations.
The U.S. government and especially the military establishment concluded, wrongly, that it should only seek to avoid insurgencies, and it abandoned training and preparing to do so, Warner said. "The majority of what we learned about counterinsurgency was judged not to be relevant to the world of the future. No one intended to be involved in it again, and counterinsurgency just faded away," he said.
Warner knew was a mistake, but he didn't realize how big a mistake it was until the Bush administration began talking about invading Iraq.
America had been building up its conventional forces and preparing for contingencies such as Bosnia and Somalia, where the military's focus was protecting its forces, not the population, the antithesis of counterinsurgency practice.
Warner was dubious when, 30 years after Vietnam, Bush proclaimed a new doctrine that called for promoting democracy as a means of defeating terrorism. But when his granddaughter, Walker, a West Point graduate, asked for advice before her first deployment, Warner didn't preach to her about policy, leadership or strategy.
She needed more practical advice, he reasoned. He reminded her of things she'd learned in training. Avoid the side of the road, because that's where bombs are planted; the first vehicle in a convoy is the most vulnerable; carry plenty of water, he told her.
He and Walker often wrote about how they viewed the war, often on Web sites and widely distributed military lists. His postings came from the perspective of someone who'd fought such battles before, confident that he could predict the ominous outcome. His granddaughter wrote about what it was like to fight a counterinsurgency campaign for the first time, excited and patient to see what the military could accomplish. Theirs was a dialogue between the Vietnam and Iraq-Afghanistan generations.
Warner's granddaughter was to build a road that Afghans would use to participate in what were then considered historic elections.
"Road construction in theater . . . is best described as an endurance sport; not for the faint of heart or the easily distracted," she wrote on a Defense Department Web site in 2005. "Traditionally progress is made a few hundred meters at a time."
Many now think that the U.S. called for elections too early in Afghanistan and Iraq, leading to shaky regimes that have little control over their newly formed governments. Warner agrees. It's not clear whether his granddaughter did. Back then, she was excited about moving the mission forward.
"With elections on the horizon, extending transportation routes into more rural areas of Afghanistan will play an essential role in encouraging the democratic process," Walker wrote two weeks before she was killed. "Election dates have been pushed back twice due at least in part to the logistical difficulties of coordinating between provinces. Success in road construction here means not only making day-to-day life easier for the citizens; it facilitates the success of the first democratically elected government in Afghanistan. No matter the outcome of elections, the extension of routes into rural Afghanistan provides much potential in strengthening the new government's credibility. The completion of the road couldn't come at a better time."
Warner tried to remain optimistic about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In his Christmas 2004 newsletter, he wrote: "We grandparents will be delighted if sufficient security is provided in Iraq to hold elections at the end of January 2005, after which the new Iraqi Government might well ask that the 'Americans go home!' While not a popular view, it certainly is a personal one that we subscribe to in large measure."
Two years later, he described a dire scenario: "In my view, there are situations in the world the U.S. cannot resolve militarily or otherwise. Vietnam was one of them. Iraq is another. Neither war was ours to win and both were theirs to lose. . . . We always have been very poor at making distinctions between military and political victories and losses and prone to supporting the losing side on Civil Wars - except for our own."
In between, in August 2005, Walker had been killed by an improvised explosive device that detonated beneath her Humvee.
The big-picture vs. on-the-ground thinking that had defined the way the two generations thought of their respective counterinsurgency wars collided.
Warner said that even though his daughter, Walker's mother, had told him not to, at times he felt guilty and fretted about how much his war stories had shaped Walker's decision to join the military.
She was the first female graduate of West Point to die in combat, and she was buried at West Point. Warner commissioned a painting of her in her uniform. It hangs near the U.S. and Army flags that stand in a hallway of his home. The picture is hung so that his eyes meet hers when he walks by it every day.
As Warner described his granddaughter's death, he no longer talked about the lessons of Vietnam or what he knew about counterinsurgency. His point of reference was much sharper.
"My view of Iraq," he said, "is shaped by the loss of my granddaughter."
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Show AllDear decrepittex: Draft or no Draft The children of privelege will never go to war. And the cowards that get multiple deferments will serve them as they make a mockery of all that is good in America.
Our soldiers were put in harms' way by Bush. And easily over 100,000 innocent Iraqis have died.
Let's try to make sure that atrocities like this do not occur again.
Vote for sanity in government - vote for a liberal!
sevenpointman - where do you get your data from? "black counter-insurgency campaign, waged after the Sunni resistance decisively won the War in the spring of 2005. This counter- insurgency led by covert U.S. forces and vast arrays of professional free-lance soldiers of fortune-who were backing the Badr brigades-A huge unit of Shiite Death-thugs, trained by the U.S. military to fight aginst the Sunni resistance. This counter-insurgency killed about 60, 000 Sunni civilians in 2005-2006."
JConrad - kudos for keeping us on point!!
"The tragic truth is we are not there to bring democracy but for the oil (and pipelines through Afghanistan) and military industrial pork-barrel profits."
I feel for the General, but not that much. His family will miss their granddaughter to be sure but the reality is that they will not suffer since his entire family is of the office lcass of the military. The officers have career paths and make goo dmoney and most often end up working for some defense contracting firm they wroked with as a military officer once they retire. These folks are not the same young men and women from middle America - the working poor who are placed into the forced economic draft because from Appalachia to Utah the best jobs for these folks are working in mines about to collapse or on bridges that did collapse. The General will be fine and so will his family that survives. The American working poor who serve and do the real grunt work in the military will continue to carry the General's and their families loads for them to the end. I am also sick and tired of retired Generals finding the courage to speak out - only AFTER they have secured their pension. Is this the type of courageous leadership they teach now at West Point? Is the class called Chicken Shit 101? If you're mad after reading this I suggest you look in the mirror - you'll find the source of your problem there.
Volney Warner and the article just do not go far enough. I read paragraph after paragraph looking for specific statements giving advice on how to improve our military performance in Iraq or specific statements of criticism toward Bush. In short, I was looking for a "pull no punches guy" and it felt like the whole article was pulling punches.
His could be an important voice if he only spoke up.
For a (quote) ". . . sharp thinker who pulls no punches," Warner makes a whole host of contradictory statements and assertions. If Iraq, like Vietnam, is not "winable" through military means, for example, why has Warner (quote) ". . . volunteered for the task of making the Bush administration's Iraq and Afghanistan policies work"? And why would anyone who helped to create the fiasco called Vietnam presume to offer advice on Iraq?
I hope it reflects a poor and incoherent reporting job rather than incoherence on Warner's part.
History books have two great sayings about war:
1. "War is hell," and
2. "War has a life of its own."
Most people don't understand saying #2. Leaders can start a war for any reason; however, wars are fought by young people who want to defend themselves, their friends and families. A war is fought for reasons other than the reason given to start the war. The original reason for starting a war can disappear, but the war can continue. In fact, most wars are started by old men who do not participate in the actual fighting.
Another saying about war: "War means fighting, and fighting means killing."
STRATEGY FOR VICTORY? INSTALL A DEMOCRACY? THESE AND ALL THE OTHER BOGUS PONDERABLES ARE PURE UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT! WE WENT EAST LOOKING FOR OSAMA bin LADIN! WHERE IS OSAMA DUMBYA? HINT:HE'S NOT IN IRAQ. NEVER WAS - THOUGH HE MAY WELL BE RECEIVED BY A GRATEFUL IRAQI POPULATION AS A "GREAT LIBERATOR" SOMEDAY! WHERE IS OSAMA GEORGE?
The troops want to come home and I support them.
Like most others who have lately developed "insights" in to the Iraqi debacle. He is a dollar short and a day late.
Dear Mr. Warner, Please accept my condolences.
Rethink something sir. If it is not malice with aforethought: then it must be absolute and numbing levels of stupidity among the lice that currently infest the head of our government.
Please lend yourself to every effort to save our Nation from these desperately avaricious and incompetent persons who, apparently, wish to see the People without Freedom.
The General lost a family member but still isn't sure if it's worth it or not? So what if our side wins, (and what is it we're fighting for again, it changes so often) she'll still be just as dead. I think he's part of the problem,
certainly not part of the salution.
Vietnam was a terrible mistake as is Iraq, and all of that
"for a noble cause" bullshit will not change that.`It's all
about OIL and has been from the start. Corporations are
getting filthy rich and working class people are being killed fighting for some elusive "noble cause." Thank God
for people like Yellow Horse who have been there and can
see the occupation of Iraq for what it is. Having served in
the Army during Vietnam, tho not IN Vietnam, I too will try
my best to get any young person considering inlistment to
rethink it. If we, the American people, and our corrupt
government insist on fighting wars in places we have no
good reason to be, then let's have a draft and with NO
exceptions. The rich man's son/daughter will serve right
beside the poor man's son/daughter. If a few of those old
money grubing bastards in Washington lost some children or
grandchildren this "War on Terror" in Iraq would be over in
weeks not years. And let the "News Media" show what war is
really like on the six o-clock Paris Hilton/Lindsey Lohan
updates. Show some bodies of soldiers and children blown
into small pieces and some flag covered coffins instead of
Paris Hilton in bra and panties (or lack there of). The only
people in the US that knows there is a war (??) going on
are the families of servicemen and women. The ones with the
stupid yellow stickers on their SUV's don't count. Let's
really support the troops by insisting they be brought home.
-sigh- another lesson still not learned.
Ho Chi Minh was at Versailles 1919, when Pres. Wilson was badgering everyone to have plebisites, allowing people in disputed areas to choose which country to belong to.
Of course, this freedom to choose only applied to Europeans. Ho Chi Minh was ignored.
What he wanted was freedom for his people from the rapacious (mostly French) plantation owners (after 100 years of 'enlightened' French leadership there were fewer teachers in Vietnam than before).
Read Barbara Tuchman's "The March of Folly".
The lesson from Vietnam is that we fought on the wrong side. We fought against the Vietnamese people. No amount of military effort could win such a war-only determine how much the Vietnamese suffered.
My view of Iraq is shaped by the idiots who destroyed it.
So Iraq and Vietnam were failures. As some American, maybe someone from John F Kennedy's inner circle said about the Bay of Pigs, "It could have been worse. It could have been a success."
Richard Young writes:However, what he, I and most of the commentators apparently have in common is a deeply held belief that war must always be a self-defensive "last resort" — not merely one "option" among many utilitarian tools to further our national interests.
Thank you! I don't hear this in the current discussion by leaders or would be leaders. I am not from a military background, but I also understand war as the last resort, when all else fails.
The Project For a New American Century provided the impetus for an imperialistic stance in regard to world affairs. Fashioned in the early `90's by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, Jeb Bush and others of their ilk, the idea was to gain hegemony over the Middle East and its resources. No nation would consider challenging the U.S. because our military would be superior to all others. Dominance over land and space, itself, would be the goal, not spreading democracy as was later claimed by the Bush Administration. In 1998, the group asked Pres. Clinton to depose Saddam Hussein. He did go along with our engaging in ruinous bombing runs. Look up PNAC on the internet and see what drove these people, many of whom would later come up with directives for President Bush.
My view of the events of both Iraq and Afghanistan is that of the terror and pain of a largely civilian population of many thousands of innocent people.
From the slash and burn tactics of the politically led foreign military that appears to be totally out of control, that shows no sign of fulfilling any mandate of putting an end to illegal invasions, nor of addressing the issue of rebuilding society; on what/whose model? The democratic and free American view from the White House Inc!?
In Afghanistan how will a peasant society be compelled to transform in months when realistically it could take four generations of growth and development? But then, is the imposition of a western society what the majority of Afghani people want?
Who in the west will teach the Iraqi people about civilization or about developing culture? Surely not the people of the countries responsible for mass killings of Afghani or Iraqi men, women and children.
I have worked in villages of countries in Asia, Africa, and Bosnia and sat with people who have been victims of opportunistic incursions of foreigners in complex tribal invasions.
After "peace" there was the cynical truth of conditional foreign aid in the shape of military infrastructure; but neither schools nor assistance with governance reconstruction in isolated areas was widely provided, nor deemed to be a priority.
Yes, I have also served in the armed forces, as a paratrooper: drafted but not a volunteer.
"who helped craft counterinsurgency doctrine during the Vietnam War,"
Let me guess - Uncle Ho?
When we ever stop killing the world's children for warbucks?
Nah, he would let them die (the twins), just
like his great uncle James, sloshed, crashed
his car killing his own daughter.
Take this guy out back, hang him with all those who argue over tactics of warfare and forget the morality of making war to make war.
the way the liberals and anti war fawners slobbered all over Wison and his wife when they gto turned out by the Executive and pentagon was about as sickening as it can get.
To try and make eitehr one of the Wilsons of Plame, as she uses name, who are both part of the organzation who use warfare assasiantions and economic deprivations upon small inncent civilians in country our Corproates aremd with their military killing forces want to move into shows the politcal motives of grousp leaders and nto the memberships ability to think.
For over 50 years nwo we have had these persoanges spouting war Buisness as being the highest Honor and greatest sacrifice youths can look towards to prove their manhood and Patritism has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of US and tens of millions of innocent civilians world wide.
Until the day we can put these educatd cave emn back in their caves we will always be at war, our children will be told to honor and emulate them, and Liberty will fit only the military mold.
The military has taken on the mantle of a religions order, one where dogma is never questioned, the highest ranking in the order are the Saints telling the lowly sinners how to live and that they will never unddsrstand unless they join in the order.
I say screw them and lets put the military back inot the positon ist was always supposed to be, not worrying about invading countries before they invade us but defending our shores.
This is not 1940's and ever sicne end of WWII the military in tiits military wazy has been one vast failure, Korea a Stalemate, Viet Nam a fiasco, our butality towards the people in Phillipines got us kicked out and Okinawa would do so now but Japna knows whose butt to kiss or lose its export market.
Our military has killed millions of non whites in world and left a stench that will take hundreds of years to erase and every country we have si8nce WWWII gone itoi the popualce eithger wants us to stay and pya welfare or elese we have to lock the doors at nightfall or watch our backs in daylight.
Thgere is no difference in state Department and our intelligence sevics=-es and it si all one big game to keep thmselves employed, assai8nate an Arab and you get 50 relatibves striking back and in Sopmaliawe made heros of uncouth tacitcs that would of mazde any peoples hate us so they threw us out.
The Balkans and our non permanent base in Bondsteel is how old today 12 years for what was once a one eyar be home by christma promice of Clinton and Kosoavo and ethinc strife and a compleltey economicly devestated welfare area is in turmoil still today.
Even the Civil war Gerneral Sherman and the Romans offered surrender terms beause they knew war was hell but our generals like to bring hell upon others just to bring hell.
the problem with this caveman mentlaity is that they can still breed and keep new generations doing the same barbaic things.
Take this guy out back, hang him with all those who argue over tactics of warfare and forget the morality of making war to make war.
the way the liberals and anti war fawners slobbered all over Wison and his wife when they gto turned out by the Executive and pentagon was about as sickening as it can get.
To try and make eitehr one of the Wilsons of Plame, as she uses name, who are both part of the organzation who use warfare assasiantions and economic deprivations upon small inncent civilians in country our Corproates aremd with their military killing forces want to move into shows the politcal motives of grousp leaders and nto the memberships ability to think.
For over 50 years nwo we have had these persoanges spouting war Buisness as being the highest Honor and greatest sacrifice youths can look towards to prove their manhood and Patritism has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of US and tens of millions of innocent civilians world wide.
Until the day we can put these educatd cave emn back in their caves we will always be at war, our children will be told to honor and emulate them, and Liberty will fit only the military mold.
The military has taken on the mantle of a religions order, one where dogma is never questioned, the highest ranking in the order are the Saints telling the lowly sinners how to live and that they will never unddsrstand unless they join in the order.
I say screw them and lets put the military back inot the positon ist was always supposed to be, not worrying about invading countries before they invade us but defending our shores.
This is not 1940's and ever sicne end of WWII the military in tiits military wazy has been one vast failure, Korea a Stalemate, Viet Nam a fiasco, our butality towards the people in Phillipines got us kicked out and Okinawa would do so now but Japna knows whose butt to kiss or lose its export market.
Our military has killed millions of non whites in world and left a stench that will take hundreds of years to erase and every country we have si8nce WWWII gone itoi the popualce eithger wants us to stay and pya welfare or elese we have to lock the doors at nightfall or watch our backs in daylight.
Thgere is no difference in state Department and our intelligence sevics=-es and it si all one big game to keep thmselves employed, assai8nate an Arab and you get 50 relatibves striking back and in Sopmaliawe made heros of uncouth tacitcs that would of mazde any peoples hate us so they threw us out.
The Balkans and our non permanent base in Bondsteel is how old today 12 years for what was once a one eyar be home by christma promice of Clinton and Kosoavo and ethinc strife and a compleltey economicly devestated welfare area is in turmoil still today.
Even the Civil war Gerneral Sherman and the Romans offered surrender terms beause they knew war was hell but our generals like to bring hell upon others just to bring hell.
"Her death makes Warner ponder, sometimes publicly, who was responsible for sending his granddaughter to two war zones without a sound strategy for victory."
Nice Grampa....wouldn't mind her dying so much so long as she had "won" the damn war.
time to introduce Grampa Warner to Dr. Kevorkian
End the War, Draft the Bush Twins
He doesn't deserve to be slammed so hard.
I didn't like so much blame for Viet Nam
once again being assigned to Jack Kennedy,
though. There are those of us who believe
that Kennedy was smart (read "educable") enough that he would have gotten us out of there before the quag really started.
He learned from the Bay of Pigs in time
for good decision-making in the Cuban missile crisis, no? There are many examples of his being a good student like that-- from Choate School and everywhere else, unlike Bush and Cheney, who were pretty much train wrecks all the way through.
In any case, he was far too dead to take blame upon himself and recant some day like his friend McNamara. He clearly lived
BEFORE The Viet Nam war.
Johnson, Nixon, McNamara, Westmoreland...
and others, with names well known, were
responsible for our horrible decisions.
Revisionist history and uneducability are reverse sides of the same coin.
I've said it before, but it's worth stating again. Immediately after 9/11 our comapny was engaged by an Air Force general in the White House to garner Islamic information from the Internet as soon as possible. The resultant "Militant Islamic" site's information was also made available to leading universities. From the information we obtained, it was obvious that to invade Iraq would be a mistake that would result in exactly what has happened. If the administration studied this material, we would have thought the war would not have been instituted. Apparently their ideological mindset dictated otherwise. They paid for vital information and ignored it. A shame of a trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives. 9/11 was a "tipping point" for intelligent, humanitarian decisions to ascertain and address the cause of terrorism, and not to blindly attack the symptoms, which as we know were not even in Iraq. An unmitigated disaster led by an idiot.
This is scary. I mean the guy's a general, ok. But his grandaughter got killed, and his complaint is about not having a "strategy for victory"?
I know how lefties love to listen to military people, but please stop. These guys are career killers. When they object to anything, it's not cause they done turned all pacifist or something. They still believe in war. They just think it should be done different, so they can have their "victory".
What we need is someone who is not deaf dumb and blind to what war is, what it does, what it leaves after it's "over" but it's never over, is it mister idiot general? Oh and by the way i was speaking metaphorically you know. Helen Keller was a great pacifist. She really understood about war.
Yellow Horse mentions that "Americans love to think of themselves as being the 'lighthouse for Democracy'..."
This is indeed one of our enduring myths. What we tend to forget is that the lighthouse doesn't take over the ship. It just shows where the rocks are and lets the ships crew choose their course.
If we want to be a lighthouse for democracy, we must walk our talk and let others alone. Many would likely follow similar paths, though some would not. Our soldiers could become defenders against aggression rather than perpetrators of it.
We've been talking about it for more than 200 years. Perhaps we should try it.
If ya don't count all the misery, the suffering, the trauma and the deaths suffered by the Iraqis, the article is kind of sad. The general thought his granddaughter was immortal. He was wrong. He was wrong about a lot of things, including our Global (read corporate) interests. All that exists is you and I (multiplied by 4 billion). The nation is a mental construct. The reason they put up signs saying you are entering Florida is because Florida is a mental construct, a way of talking. If you look out in nature you won't find Florida or Utah or Iraq or Israel.And he sent his granddaughter out to be killed with all the other victims of insanity to a place somebody named Afghanistan, a far away place that is as meaningless to him as it is to me. That's sad. What an honor to be the first West Point female graduate to get blown into oblivion. Her mentor, unfortunately was a fool, and his guidance was an irreversible mistake for both him and his grandaughter. Well, that's what happens when you have an idiot for a grandfather.
andersdl and normvincent: You've got it right! Our imperial interests, continuing from the time the Pilgrims landed, hasn't a shred of concern for anyone, American or foreign. Corporate America benefits from these illegal military exercises and considering the profits obtainable in times of peace, which do you think they prefer? The concept of honoring our soldiers is nothing less than horse-shit but it seems to work for the bastards because young men sign up on a regular basis and men like general whosit will send their sons to get their heads shot off. One has to wonder if they are totally unable to see the truth or, worse, do they see it but are unable or unwilling to speak the truth.
This is one sad old delusional general and a reporter who has missed the point. The tragic truth is we are not there to bring democracy but for the oil (and pipelines through Afghanistan) and military industrial pork-barrel profits. Yet,denial is often the only way escape the reality and horrors of unjust military aggression and death. It must require some clever mental gymnastics to look back on a life devoted to killing poor people in developing nations. And even harder to see your own grandchild die. However, the article is an interesting example of how war crimes and imperialism can be discussed in a civilized and thoughtful manner. With "tens of thousands" of military thinkers unable to see the obvious truth it would be safe to say that the lemmings go over the cliff together. Unfortunately they are taking the entire nation down with them.
Iraq is the Vietnam War on crack. Once again US troops can't distinguish the enemy from the people we think are on our side. The roadside bombings and IEDs in Iraq are Vietnamese for punji stakes and bouncing Bettys. We couldn't force the Vietnamese to follow our wishes and the Iraqi people aren't following either. So once again US troops are in the middle of a civil war. And once again we aren't going to win. In fact we have already lost.
Hoa binh
So what doe's Hitler and the Bush crime family have in common? Everything cheak it out.
Follow the money!
The Viet Nam occupation was a bonanza for the military industrial complex and the Iraq occupation is an even larger bonanza! If you understand that simple concept you don't need to listen to all the "experts".
Purvis Ames' allegation that General Betrayus is responsible for the 190,000 missing weapons makes perfect sense. It doesn't matter who ends up with the weapons as long as the military industrial complex squeezed more money out of the US taxpayer in the process.
As a grandfather and Korean War veteran somewhat older than the General, I share some of his views and reject others. However, what he, I and most of the commentators apparently have in common is a deeply held belief that war must always be a self-defensive "last resort" -- not merely one "option" among many utilitarian tools to further our national interests. Of course everyone is free to think and speak for himself/herself; but my suggestion is that those of us who reject aggressive or utilitarian war would do well to focus on our essential commonality. It's going to take a lot of concerted effort to overcome the sizeable segment of fellow Americans -- unfortunately including most current candidates of both parties for President -- who consider aggressive war (with or without nuclear weapons) as just one more "option" to be "kept on the table."
As a former Marine who foolishly volunteered to participate in the last part of the Vietnam fiasco------I am proud to say that I have been instrumental in convincing several young men and women NOT to serve in this war. I have little sympathy for the General who did not learn from his mistakes and did not convince his granddaughter not to sacrifice her life for a short term political/economic windfall for one party or the other.
After thirty five years I have not given up my own observation of that service: there is no country worth shedding blood for except our own---Afghanistan and Iraq never attacked us--no more that Vietnam. If the USA is aware of a country that seeks Democracy then we can send them some money-------it's just not worth shedding our blood and giving our lives for other countries. And it never will be worth it. Bringing Democracy to Iraq was simply an afterthought by a Puppet of the Military Industrial Complex------of which Gen. Warner obviously is still a large part of.
Americans love to think of themselves as being the "lighthouse for Democracy"----and willing to back up their words with other's lives........yet they are unable to learn from their mistakes----and therefore are doomed to repeat them.
Yellow Horse
I wonder what the General's take would be on the black counter-insurgency campaign, waged after the Sunni resistance decisively won the War in the spring of 2005. This counter- insurgency led by covert U.S. forces and vast arrays of professional free-lance soldiers of fortune-who were backing the Badr brigades-A huge unit of Shiite Death-thugs, trained by the U.S. military to fight aginst the Sunni resistance. This counter-insurgency killed about 60, 000 Sunni civilians in 2005-2006.
Their main source of armaments were nearly one-half of a million rifles,pistols and artillary shells,and defensive equipment ,such as body-armor, so lacking in our defense of the lives and limbs of our fighting men and women, that they or their friends and relatives have to buy them to keep them out of harms way.
Today's story of a discovery by the GAO about the mystery of these missing armaments, in 2004-2005 , given out by our military to the puppet Iraqi forces, numbering less than 1000 troops at that time, bears out this devious scenario.
Jbs, if bush lost a daughter in Iraq; nukes would detonate over the entire mideast.
"My view of Iraq," he said, "is shaped by the loss of my granddaughter."
and if he had not lost his granddaughter, what would be his view?
what would bush's view of iraq be if he lost a daughter?
For all his expertise and commitment,sending members of his family into this disaster and losing one,to claim that it was for a noble goal,such as democracy,I wonder where he really comes from.This whole disaster has been about greed and us not wanting to pay for their oil and whatever else we could steal.Tony
At least in the Vietnam war the US media reported numbers of killed Vietnamese. That damaged the popularity of the war, and pissed off the dogs of war. Ever since then, the so called "department of defense" has avoided sharing of numbers of opponents that they've killed.
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"The time for war has past."
Maitreya, the World Teacher
Tragic family history, dysfunctional celebration of war. The article is typical of many, a detached former warrior looks back and realizes through aged recursion that blowing people to pieces and burning things doesn't quite work out optimally. The most recent students of these old lies were nurtured during the horror of Southeast Asia, rose during Reagan/Bush and are now making key decisions during our most recent era of disaster. Blowing people to pieces and burning things is still much too lucrative, next time we'll learn to do it even better, or maybe we'll change our minds when our own family members die.
Off topic but certainly related to the military. According to the Pentagon, almost one third of the weapons supplied to the Iraqi security forces have gone missing. Who oversaw the distribution and accounting of these weapons? One General Petraeus, the same imbecile now desperately trying to prop up Baby Caligula's "surge".
"...he's made a career out of thinking about how U.S. military strategy should advance America's global interests."
America's Global Interests !?! You mean Corporations Global Interests, don't you, General (and McClatchy editors). You mean, like Mass Murder, Theft on a Cosmic Scale, Raping and Pillaging the People and Resources of the Earth like there is no tomorrow, Holding the World in Nuclear Terror, Assassinations of Foreign Leaders, Installing a Worldwide Kleptocracy, Stealing MY Tax dollars and that or other Americans in the uncountable Trillions of Dollars, Illegally Drafting my butt and millions of other American citizens to 'serve' their greed, The Arms Merchants of death proliferating ... it goes on and on and on.
When are we going to STOP it? This is way bigger than the measley Impeachment of rich-boy chimp look-alike - this is Civil Insurrection ! Let's Go.
"War? A place where old men send young men to die." I have no sympathy whatsoever for this old fool. I do feel sorry for his grand-daughter...a victim of his proud folly.