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Diversity Dead-End: Inclusiveness Without Accountability
After a recent talk on racism and other illegitimate hierarchies at a diversity conference in Dallas, I received a letter from one of the people who had attended that asked "why you feel it necessary to perpetuate and even exacerbate the divisiveness of language when addressing a group of people assembled to learn how to live better together and be more accepting of differences?" He suggested that by being so sharply critical, I was part of the problem not the solution.
Calls for diversity and inclusiveness from people with privilege (such as a white man with a professional job living in the United States) are meaningful only when we are willing to address the systems and structures of power in which inequality and discrimination are rooted. But because such a critique strikes many people as too radical, crafting a response to those who want to avoid that analysis is crucial to the struggle for progressive social change. Below is my letter to him.
Dear ____: Thanks for the note and the challenge to my presentation. It's clear we disagree, and getting clearer about where we differ is important.
First, I disagree with your suggestion that we should not assess blame for existing patterns of racial inequality and injustice, though I would substitute the word "accountability" for "blame." I can't imagine how we could move forward on any question of injustice without holding those responsible for the injustice accountable, which means holding ourselves accountable. This reflects a basic moral principle -- those who inflict injuries, or turn away when they see others inflicting injuries, must be accountable for their behavior.
To recognize the injustice, as you do, but then demand that we ignore the patterns at the root of the injustice in order to reach a state of inclusiveness is counterproductive. That simply allows people in positions of power and privilege to escape accountability, which inevitably places the political and psychological burdens on those with less power and privilege. That's simply not fair.
So, if your suggestion lets white people off the hook and puts the burden on non-white people to cope with the ongoing manifestations of white supremacy, would it not be better for those of us who are white to be accountable? Is that not the base from which real social change becomes possible? I recognize that most white people don't like that call for accountability, just as most men don't like the call for accountability when it comes to sexism, for example. But the core values we claim to hold -- dignity, solidarity, and equality -- require that we not avoid that kind of honesty.
If we do this, as several people suggested in the conference session, many poor and working-class white people will point out that they don't feel particularly privileged. That's why we have to connect the struggle against white supremacy to the struggle against economic inequality in capitalism. To raise questions about injustice in our economy isn't to foment class warfare, as some argue, but is rather to recognize that people with a disproportionate share of the world's wealth tend to pursue policies to protect that state of affairs. The wealthy engage in class warfare on a daily basis, and hope that those on the bottom will acquiesce.
You suggest that that I "perpetuate and even exacerbate the divisiveness" but I think that misunderstands the nature of the problem. The divisiveness comes from the injustice, not from naming the injustice. People in the United States are divided by the inequality inherent in patriarchy, white supremacy, and capitalism. Naming those systems and the inequality they produce isn't divisive but rather an attempt to understand the systems so that we can change them. Just as we need accountability we also need analysis to make it possible to move toward justice. How can problems be solved if causes are not identified and critiqued?
None of this has anything to do with stereotyping individuals. There is a difference between identifying patterns in how wealth and power are distributed in a society and making unsupported claims about individuals. In analyzing how unconscious and institutionalized racism operate, and then asking white people to be accountable, we are talking about how systems operate. I didn't claim that all white people are overt racists, for example, but instead talked about how our society is white supremacist in material and ideological terms. That's an analysis of systems, not stereotyping of individuals.
Finally, I think your hope for "a softening" of my heart misses the point. I don't have a hard heart, if by that you mean I am bitter or hateful. The work I do is grounded in love, which leads to a rejection of injustice. My heart softened long ago when I began to look honestly at the extent of that injustice and my own complicity in it. To be "part of the solution," as you urge, demands that we be honest about that injustice. I would challenge you to think about whether by ignoring these patterns of injustice you might be part of the problem.
I do take a bit of offense at one thing you wrote, the claim that I "find great satisfaction in stirring things up," as if this is all some kind of game that I play for my personal pleasure. I have been actively involved for the past two decades in movements for justice involving sexism, racism, economic inequality, and the barbarism of war. There isn't a day that I don't feel a sense of profound grief about the pain that these systems cause. The luck of the draw left me in a position of relative privilege, which means I escape virtually all of the suffering imposed by those systems. What satisfaction I find in this world comes from trying to be part of movements that struggle for something better. In those efforts, things inevitably get stirred up. I take no particular pleasure in that and wish it could be otherwise. But none of us get to choose the world into which we are born. All we get to choose is how we respond to it.
In my experience, the position you advocate is the one that is neither constructive nor practical. We cannot ignore the systems from which injustice emerges and expect injustice magically to disappear. I agree that our goal is inclusiveness -- the recognition that we are one human family in which all have exactly the same standing -- but I disagree that we can move toward that by turning away from the painful truths about the broken world in which we live.


52 Comments so far
Show All"Do not look back" Obomber wrote the letter to Jensen(snark).
This interaction spotlights how terribly harmful to our society Obombers doublethink has become.
Obama's mastery of doublespeak compounds the damage his doublethink inflicts.
Apply this also to environmental justice.
Through lack of accountability a sacrifial status is extended to peoples, biomes, the web of life itself.
The margin of error; the profit margin; the marginalization/externalization of everything but resource sequestration for the profit/power motive.
It can see nothing but the self-constructed mirror terror of its intrinsic unsustainability.
Thank you Robert Jensen and Common Dreams for publishing this elegant articulation of the dignity of speaking truth to power.
Reading this article made it impossible not to talk about the same criminal attempt by the Chinese authority to maintain "Harmony" in Chinese society which is turned upside down since the advent of capitalist revolution in post Mao Zedong China. "Maffia Capitalism" spread unrelentlessly in China while the officials and mass media preach the doctrine of "diversities and inclusiveness" to the populace at large. The call is for the Chinese not to cling on to the old communist ideals of equality and sameness.
This tantamount to the governing elite calling upon the downtroden to accept their own misery in the same spirit as they accept the immoral and criminal behaviors of the rich and powerful. The great majority must nurture the spirit of tolerance, patience and acceptance (inclusiveness) in the face of such "diversities". The "diversities" which rose from great income disparity, corruptions, evils born of the absence of Rule of Law and general breakdown of morality and human-ness among the population. According to the power-that-be only when such attitudes towards "diversities" and "inclusiveness" are embeded in the consciousness of the Chinese masses will "Harmony" and peace prevail in society.
Mao's ignorant policies great leap forward and cultural revolution caused the deaths of Millions of Chinese.
The inclusiveness and diversity refers to ethnic minorities who were repressed as much under Mao as they are now.
Sioux Rose
NAKLI: You raise interesting points and parallels. One of my favorite wisdom (Oracle) systems is the Chinese I ching. It speaks presciently and profoundly about the rise and fall of power, along with its classic redundant abuses. It's amazing how relevant its treatise is to affairs and patterns notable today, although it was written (or inspired) more than 2000 years ago. The best volume is the Richard Wilhelm translation with an intro done by Carl Jung.
regarding the I Ching, there is also the Karcher-Ritsema edition that can be a compliment to Wilhelm/Baines. characters are translated in broader scope rather than working them into poetic contexts. Wonderful for contemplation
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/books/translations.php#k2002
Sioux Rose
OLD GOAT: Thank you for what looks to be a most interesting reference.
NAKLI: You're most welcome.
CASSANDRA: Thank you for the references, and I'll possibly have time to look into them this weekend. I have three deadlines approaching, and am a bit behind "the curve."
Thanks for your comment on my post.
Prof Jensen went all around Robin Hood's barn with that explanation.
A few individuals elbow people out of the way and steal their stuff because they can't see anyone else as being important or even real.
A larger group do it because they're in a position of power, and needn't fear reprisal. They literally do it because they can.
But most people who do it are acting out of the fear that there won't be enough to go around, and they'll be left out. We see this behavior before every storm predicted to be major, e.g., where people madly drive to the local supermarket and buy up all the toilet paper, candles, canned goods, etc they can lay hands on. They lose their minds, in a way.
If we change the system so that nobody need fear being left out, and so that anyone who behaves badly gets their fingers trodden on, we'd only have to worry about that small group of true evildoers.
Oh, do I know a lot of the sort of liberals Prof. Jensen was addressing in this article! They destroyed our formerly vibrant peace and justuce center here in Pittsburgh.
They seem to invariably harbor a sort of childlike aversion to confrontation and strong, passionate rhetoric in pursuit justice. Many even insist that such speech violates the principles of "nonviolence".
The root of such attitudes seems to be sort of narcissism, where everything is personalized, that is dominant among the new-ageish bourgeois liberal classes. When I was a little kid at church, one of the priests would deliver fiery sermons (of the sort one doesn't hear anymore), and I used to get upset and cry. The liberals seem to be stuck in this childlike mode. Of course, all it takes is a few minutes in front of a TV set to see where this cult of the self comes from, and in who's interests it is serving.
You could be describing the situation in my town, except they have no trouble with quiet (and ineffective) vigils. But sit-ins, lock-downs and hunger strikes at recruiting centers? Forget it!
The citizens of 1930's Russia suffering under Stalin's Terror didn't kiss up to the status quo and the establishment like we do here today. YAK!!
Sioux Rose
I have utmost respect and admiration for Mr. Jensen. He is fearless in exposing the rot underneath the garment of American culture. He relentlessly aims at its predominant lies to deconstruct the ethos that still empowers the dominant, enduring "ism divisions."
This article is a great response to the person who criticized him, a perfect example of where lemons may turn to lemon-aid. The idea of inclusiveness is also used by Obama, especially in his skating over lady Justice to lend the Bush Junta a pass on their illegal wars of aggression, and self-proclaimed right to torture and spy on American citizens. By glorifying the "let's just move forward" mantra... he effectively invites all that's fetid to remain in place, the equivalent of pretending to clean the White House while demanding that no garbage be taken away.
I hope the several males in this forum who gloss over the wound caused by sexism in not just American society, hear what Jensen has to say. Coming together on the left does not mean pretending that all wrongs have been righted, or that they should be glossed over. Capitalism is but ONE prong in the fork that gouges into so many of us, stealing our blood, purpose, and possibilities.
Sioux Rose--Not related to this topic but I did enjoy your exchange with Phoenix20 about the importance of process a few days ago. Also here are 3 articles regarding Ron Paul. You will have to be able to get past ideology to see, in these cases, process and content. The html is important in the addresses
www.counterpunch.org/taylor01022008 "The Left and Ron Paul"
www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul647.html "My Plan For A Freedom President"
www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul585.html (Health care)
There's not a whole lot white middle class white guys who make it a point to talk and about sexism and white privilege. Jensen is the real deal. His lecture (available though Alternative Radio) entitled "White Supremacy, Patriarchy, and Capitalism" is a classic.
Sioux Rose
TOM: Thank you for an enlightened post. The middle class white guys guilty of this omission are frequently located in THIS forum.
I appreciate The GREAT ROCKY but do not see eye to eye with him on this one. I suppose some men who really try to be nice guys are blind or oblivious to what so many of their untamed brothers do and have done to women. The UN stats show that nearly half of women will be abused one way or another by some man during their lifetime. Perhaps the ladies in the Congo who are routinely gang-banged alter the statistics pool somewhat, given that many of them deal with 30 or 40 abuses and abusers... violence, rape, porn, and war all are connected because they are all based on the dehumanization of THE OTHER. Pretending these attitudes do not live in the dark corners of our culture, and thrive thanks to the anonymity of the Web, will not make their shadows disappear. A lot of us have felt this darkness. Only the LIGHT OF TRUTH can pierce it to begin to alter this horrific paradigm.
I'm sure that you're aware of the current stats, but being black or female (woe to be both!) in this country improved for a couple decades but in the last 20 years those advancements have eroded.
"People of privilge," why not take the ultimate step and renounce that privilege--as did Ghandi? He laid claim to no more "privilege" than the lowest member of his society "enjoyed." Or, invoke Christ's maxim: "in so much as you do it to the least of these, you do it to me."
"First, I disagree with your suggestion that we should not assess blame for existing patterns of racial inequality and injustice, though I would substitute the word "accountability" for "blame"
Absolutely, play the blame game for all its worth. Do and say exactly what has been the rant for over eighty years.
To paraphrase Palin the gaffe machine, though this one is appropriate..."Hows that workin' out for ya?"
Robert Jensen is indeed part of the problem.
Jensen wrote "If we do this, as several people suggested in the conference session, many poor and working-class white people will point out that they don't feel particularly privileged. That's why we have to connect the struggle against white supremacy to the struggle against economic inequality in capitalism.
"Don't feel particularly priveleged"?! Jensen just can't bring himself to say that poor whirtes are oppressed.
The people who need to be held accountable for racism are not "Whites" but rather the elite classes who created a slave system and continue to perpetuate it today.
Poor and working class whites are also victims of this class.
Rigid dualistic thinking along the lines of "white=oppressor", "male = oppressor" is oversimplified and unjust. It's also a mode of thinking that is rejected by the vast majority of Americans, white, black yellow or brown.
This type of divisive thinking, wrapped in self righteousness, tore the left apart in the seventies and eighties. It continues to weaken the left today.
It is neccesssary to fight racism and classism, but this requires a clear understanding of the common roots that underly both. This will not be achieved by making the terms "white" and "male" synonomous with "oppressor.
RE: It is neccesssary to fight racism and classism, but this requires a clear understanding of the common roots that underly both.
Jensen is well aware of these issues. Have you read any of Jensen's books?
Listen to a great lecture by Robert Jensen: "White Supremacy, Patriarchy and Capitalism"
http://ia331403.us.archive.org/2/items/DailyDigest040109/2009_04_01_uprising.MP3
Sioux Rose
DREAM JOE: I find it quite telling that you speak of fighting racism and classism while not even mentioning sexism. Even though you mentioned "male" and "oppressor." The deletion reminds me of the Virginia politician who didn't even mention slavery as (one major) cause for the Civil War.
Sioux Rose,
Please pay attention to the number of times you read the phrase "racism and sexism" in progressive writings when that phrase does not include the term "classism".
I have been paying close attention to this for years and I am confident in my assessment that you will find that the terms racism and sexism are used far more than the term classism. If you find this to be otherwise I'd appreciate hearing that feedback; you may email me at danieln@javanet.com.
Also, the corresponding *focus* of leftist thinking in the United States is similarly weak in the area of class analysis, in my opinion. Though it is considered important by most of the left to attempt to overcome sexism and racism in their totality, it is still considered off-limits, or in some way dangerous, to suggest that we make the effort to overcome classism in its totality. It is in my opinion false to claim that efforts against classism stand on an equal footing as efforts against racism and sexism.
I believe this is an essential point. In fact, even this article by Jensen, in my opinion, unconsciously tokenizes classism by setting it up as a "straw man":
"Calls for diversity and inclusiveness from people with privilege (such as a white man with a professional job living in the United States)..."
Making this comment, Jensen does not proceed to decry the existence of professional jobs as a part of society's institutions, but highlights only the "white" and "male" aspects. Feminism in the U.S., generally, also does the tragic harm of engaging in the struggle to allow women equal "access" to professional jobs, without joining in the struggle (or even acknowledging the existence of the struggle) to do without the working class / professional class divide that is so destructive to the fabric of human life in today's world. In this way, the silence of feminism is loud and complicit, and a tragedy.
The anti-racist struggle in the U.S. is somewhat silent on this issue, in my opinion, but not to the extent of feminism.
Another telling, related point is the issue of the clear and egregious pay differential between men and women in our culture, in contrast with the far worse pay differential between poor people and professional people. The pay differential between men and women is considered in detail in progressive and feminist writing and thinking, but the far worse pay differential between poor people and professional people is hardly ever mentioned - it's just assumed to be part of the "fabric of things", or perhaps not worth mentioning at all. Or perhaps the struggle to overcome it is considered something better left for another generation, when such a struggle might be more "realistic".
Dan Nissenbaum
I found this post to be a good example of fuzzy thinking. First you don't define the "left." On any subject one can look at it from a variety of positions. But just staying under the umbrella heading of "left" there is still a variety of positions from which to do analysis. The left is FAR from monolithic. You can discuss "race, gender and class" from a liberal, progressive or radical position (if not more). There can be overlap, but each will produce a different analysis and different conclusions. In a capitalist society, the issue of class (and class power) is marginalized or buried altogether. Liberals and conservatives represent two sides of the capitalist coin. A liberal analysis of "race, gender and class" will attempt to marginalize the discussion of class (because of the obvious class inequalities). Therefore liberals can appear "liberal" when getting touchy feely on race and gender - as long as the analysis doesn't actually affect any serious change. After all, liberals are beneficiaries of the status quo too.
The liberal is really a cynic. IMO, the progressive is a liberal who is internally consistent, in other words they have taken the liberal analysis to its logical conclusion. The liberal makes insincere platitudes about equal treatment, but the progressive really means it.
My guess is most of the "analysis" you've seen is concerning sexism and racism from a liberal position. So, the reason for the absence of the discussion of class is obvious.
By contrast the radical position always considers each issue within its systemic context. The radical looks at the structural nature of domination as well as avenues for liberation. And there can be a layering of systems. For example, sexism is something that operates within the context of patriarchy which operates within the context capitalism - as is true for racism. Robert Jensen is analyzing these issues from a radical perspective. He is fully aware of class and class power within capitalism.
If you continue to consume analysis of these or other issues from the perspective of liberals you will continue to be frustrated and angered. So, go to radical sources. For a start, what is the socialist or anarchist positions towards gender, race and class? And next time define your terms.
I'm hesitant to define the terms as you've seem to have done, though I agree with the general sentiment of what you're saying. The spectrum of "liberal - progressive - radical" may be a spectrum according to your definition of these terms, but there are many people who describe themselves in terms of any one of these three categories who would dispute your placing them on such a spectrum.
It may be convenient to define terms as you see fit, but that doesn't correspond, in my experience, with the "definitions" that others provide. I have essentially lumped the entire spectrum you've provided into the category "left", and agree with you in that my perception of "radical" also involves somebody with an integrated analysis that includes class as you well describe. But, I'm aware that others who consider themselves "radical" do not share these sentiments. The strong thread of feminism, in particular, that I would be inclined to consider "liberal" according to your perspective, is considered "radical" by many of the individuals who espouse those points of view. I don't claim to speak for others, and so I can't claim to define "radical" according to my own chosen definition.
To the extent that reality does correspond to the spectrum you've laid out, there's little doubt in my mind that "liberals" dominate (as you've indicated also). (Though liberals describe themselves so frequently as "progressives" that it's hard any longer to hold forth with this distinction in almost any setting.) But because so many liberals do not agree with the definitions as you've laid out, I feel it's important to respond to the way that liberals (on this spectrum) describe and experience their own beliefs - because these beliefs are so dominant. It is in essence a struggle over who owns the word "radical" - should it be those who do not question capitalism fundamentally (as a major thread of "radical" feminism fails to do), or should it be those who do.
As a final point - if only it were so easy to "define" terms such as these, and lay them onto a neat spectrum, as you've done. I wish it were that simple.
I'd like it if Sioux Rose would respond - I'm interested in hearing what she has to say about this.
Dan.
Defining terms? Sure you can. Defining a term doesn't mean your stuck with the definition forever. You define the term within the context (and even duration) of the discussion . Under the "left" subcategory, would be socialism for example. Socialism is a huge subject. You HAVE TO DEFINE what you mean by socialism. The core feature for me is worker control of the means of production. By that definition, the USSR was not socialist. If you were discussing the USSR from a socialist perceptive, that definition is crucial if any coherent communication is going to occur. Not only can you define terms, but it makes for much better communication. Defining a term can be done simply and quickly for most discussions. I think that much of the disrespectful "dialogue" on the Common Dreams forum is due to people assuming that they have the same conception of a particular term when in fact they don't.
I'll agree with that.
"There's not a whole lot white middle class white guys who make it a point to talk and about sexism and white privilege."
Upper-middle class people have the floor all the time about EVERYTHING. We never hear from workers and poor enough though.
"Jensen is the real deal. His lecture (available though Alternative Radio) entitled 'White Supremacy, Patriarchy, and Capitalism" is a classic.'"
Bob's a self-hating upper-middle class white guy and identity politician, the kind that is just as destructive to the Left as anything else. Shoot me for saying so. We're never going to achieve solidarity of we keep pitting people against one another. People like Jensen, I have always suspected, don't really want positive social change. Their self-loathing is do defeating.
"They seem to invariably harbor a sort of childlike aversion to confrontation and strong, passionate rhetoric in pursuit justice."
I don't think they really want change either. The Left's a scene, a subculture to them. They insulate themselves from everyday people I think because they resent and fear them deep down. It's a classism/racism cocktail.
"Jensen just can't bring himself to say that poor whirtes are oppressed."
That's because he probably hates them and secretly fears blacks, hence why he puts them on a pedestal.
"I hope the several males in this forum who gloss over the wound caused by sexism in not just American society, hear what Jensen has to say."
I've read enough of him to ascertain that he hates himself because he has a penis and wants other men to feel the same way. I am not a rapist, and neither are most other men.
Not that he doesn't make good points about pornography and machismo. He's the opposite extreme though. Just as you have misogynist assholes who think men are SUPPOSED to be boorish, punk-ass, amoral brutes, Jensen essentially thinks men should be mentally and emotionally neutered.
It's the same with women. You have one extreme where women are told they need to be domesticated trophies and playthings and then another where they're told that they need to worship the death of men.
None of it is sustainable.
Socioeconomics shape culture. If everyone had a decent-paying job, health care, a decent place to live, clean air and water, I think the underbelly of American culture would at least be greatly diminished over time.
Having overpaid intellectuals attempt to shame people based on their race/gender won't save the world. And I think people like Jensen know that deep down.
After all, what's in it for him?
"But sit-ins, lock-downs and hunger strikes at recruiting centers?"
I think the Left needs to be creative than that. Most working people aren't going to martyr themselves. They can't afford to for one, and it's only a gift to the Right if lefists end up dead, injured, or jailed.
I read an article in the City Paper about the TMC's recent woes. It was pretty illustrative about what's wrong with the Left.
Again, two extremes: Let's play nice, break bread, and be passive vs. Let's fuck shit up, fight the cops, overturn cars, break stuff and fill the jails, 'cause it would be so cool, man.
What's sustainable?
This diatribe of yours doesn't have anything to do with Jensen. He's no Liberal. If you want to vent about "identity politics" Jensen is NOT your man. I don't think you know anything about Robert Jensen. You should read his interviews with Abe Osheroff.
"Overpaid intellectuals"? Jeez. He's a prof at a state university in Texas, not Yale.
"Socioeconomics shape culture"?" Duh, that's why he's talking about sexism and racism in the context of capitalism. Don't you read?
"Shoot me for saying so." Your idea, but it's growing on me.
"....we have to connect the struggle against white supremacy to the struggle against economic inequality in capitalism... The wealthy engage in class warfare on a daily basis, and hope that those on the bottom will acquiesce."
After all the exposure of massive fraud on Wall Street, anyone who would acquiesce to these greedy mother-f**kers must have shit for brains.
"I would challenge you to think about whether by ignoring these patterns of injustice you might be part of the problem."
Elitists with "entitlement" personalities don't really give-a-shit about injustice. Life is all about them and their wants in life; not about people who are in need as a result of their selfish actions.
They don't get it and they NEVER will get it until they have to live on the street when they can't find a job. In short, these people are not sentient beings but egotists or psychopaths who don't care about anyone but themselves. But like others before them, their arrogance and hypocrisy will destroy them. I can't wait to witness the earthquake when it hits!
We have to really once and for all define and understand what white male supremacy really is.
If you think some nations or groups are "developed" and other nations or groups are "developing". Then you are a white male supremacist.
If you think that land that is in its natural state is "undeveloped". You are a white male supremacist.
If you think the resources of the earth mother, her minerals and metals are something that can be used to generate "profits". You are a white male supremacist.
If the word "poverty" for you draws no distinctions between the impoverishment and deprivation of displacement and the joys of simple non monetary subsistence. Then you are a white supremacist.
I could of course go on and on but you get the picture.
the vast majority of Americans regardless of race and social class are without a doubt white male supremacists and we DO need to face up to it.
"...the vast majority of Americans regardless of race and social class are without a doubt white male supremacists and we DO need to face up to it."
Exactly! Thank you for spelling it out like that. "...REGARDLESS OF RACE AND SOCIAL CLASS..." You can even add GENDER.
That is what needs to be understood ~ White Male Supremecist is just a title or a label for a particularly selfish and destructive mindset that is too prevalent in amerikkkan society.
Thank you, SusanY !
"I suppose some men who really try to be nice guys are blind or oblivious to what so many of their untamed brothers do and have done to women. The UN stats show that nearly half of women will be abused one way or another by some man during their lifetime. Perhaps the ladies in the Congo who are routinely gang-banged alter the statistics pool somewhat, given that many of them deal with 30 or 40 abuses and abusers... violence, rape, porn, and war all are connected because they are all based on the dehumanization of THE OTHER. Pretending these attitudes do not live in the dark corners of our culture, and thrive thanks to the anonymity of the Web, will not make their shadows disappear. A lot of us have felt this darkness. Only the LIGHT OF TRUTH can pierce it to begin to alter this horrific paradigm."
I am fully aware of how men mistreat women, Sioux. I've never lost sight of that. I have been dealing with men like that my whole life. I've found myself in conflict with many men simply because I reject and oppose their misogyny.
The abusers are shaped by socioeconomic forces.
Would the rape of women in the Congo be so prevalent if Africa herself hadn't been raped by imperialism?
Would men be beating their spouses if their lives were better, if economic forces weren't causing so much domestic instability? Would women stay with abusive men if they were able to make a decent living on their own? Would they look for abusive, bad men if they had more self-esteem, the kind that comes with education and decent work? Would they dance nude and do porn if they could find a decent job?
Believe me, I have come in direct contact with the dark side of our culture and the anonymous ogres on the web. Some of them have actively tried to ruin my life. And they were all sexists, racists, classists who simply didn't like what I had to say or like how I live my life.
Men who oppose misogyny get it bad also.
"This diatribe of yours doesn't have anything to do with Jensen. He's no Liberal. If you want to vent about 'identity politics' Jensen is NOT your man. I don't think you know anything about Robert Jensen. You should read his interviews with Abe Osheroff."
I've read enough of him.
He's good when he's talking about socialism, but usually he's lamenting his status as an upper-class white guy and wants all white guys to feel the same regardless of their class.
"Jeez. He's a prof at a state university in Texas, not Yale."
Professors do pretty well, better than people who sweep floors and drive vans.
"Duh, that's why he's talking about sexism and racism in the context of capitalism. Don't you read?"
I read. He doesn't talk about class nearly enough. Race and gender are juicier I guess.
I don't think I said Jensen was a liberal either.
"Your idea, but it's growing on me."
Right-wing assholes want to shoot me also along with all other manner of asshole. So...
This current post is contradictory to your earlier ones. And, you've made a lot of assumptions about Jensen; you definitely seem to have an axe to grind.
RE: "Right-wing assholes want to shoot me also along with all other manner of asshole. So..."
Nice.
"the vast majority of Americans regardless of race and social class are without a doubt white male supremacists and we DO need to face up to it."
I think you're way off. Most Americans are not imperialists, and imperialism doesn't make their lives any better.
"So, if your suggestion lets white people off the hook and puts the burden on non-white people to cope with the ongoing manifestations of white supremacy, would it not be better for those of us who are white to be accountable?"
How about we take ALL working and poor people off the hook, and then put the onus on the elites, Bob?
Yeah, that's a healthy mindset, Bob. It's just like the right-wing mindset that asks minorities, poor, working people, to blame their misfortunes on themselves and their supposed vices and pathologies.
Let us all wallow in guilt, ohhhh...
"I'm sure that you're aware of the current stats, but being black or female (woe to be both!) in this country improved for a couple decades but in the last 20 years those advancements have eroded."
Things have improved somewhat. I never said that racism and sexism were over.
Woe to be a worker? Poor? Woe to be a member of the 90-99%?
"You suggest that that I "perpetuate and even exacerbate the divisiveness" but I think that misunderstands the nature of the problem. The divisiveness comes from the injustice, not from naming the injustice."
That's kind of a superficial distinction. It seems to me that Jensen is more interested in his own self righteousness than he is in figuring out what's actually effective.
It seems to me that some people *do* respond to being lectured at by self righteous tenured welfare queens--but, when class is over they quietly transfer to the business school and then they graduate.
They have a far better grip on their reality than you do, and they know what that reality is. You, Jensen, are out to f*ck them. Yes you are, you self righteous pr*ick.
Hey, how'd you end up in women and minority studies anyway? Feel free to surrender that white male privilege any time you're ready....
Yes, business studies graduates, who learn how to manipulate financial markets, come up with various obscure financial instruments that they themselves don't understand, and then need to be bailed out by the rest of society have SUCH a strong grasp on reality.
He is divisive. He teaches resentment and self-loathing.
"That's kind of a superficial distinction. It seems to me that Jensen is more interested in his own self righteousness than he is in figuring out what's actually effective."
You got it.
Does Jensen ever offer solutions?
In this article Jensen is illuminating a phenomenon that has been obscured for too long: The overreach of inclusion. The so-called USan left has been overreaching into the extreme right gutter, frantic to include the gutter-dwelling leaches that suck their blood, and for what reason? I've long suspected it's been to sustain the status quo where elites recognize their need to occupy the entire political spectrum to effectively keep the people down. Maybe reserve your criticism for the elites. Why would you not want to?
Btw, speaking of sexism, I'm getting sick of the strip club commercials they've been showing incessantly on Keith Olbermann's show this evening. Feminists would have a field day with the ad in particular.
Here's the ad...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6E_pDdk1ms
I'm offended also, not to mention embarassed.
Which post Tom? Whatever quote function they have here doesn't seem to work.
Jensen just annoys me. He's a cariciature of the left with all his moralizing about race and gender, and not in a good, uniting way. There's so much that's self-defeating about the left, and he often epitomizes it.
I wish I hadn't read the piece. Whenever I see something by him on CD I always tell myself I won't read it or comment on it.
Frankly Mr. Hill, I'm not interested anymore.
Time for a potlatch. That's how you make everyone in a society feel secure - by sharing everything you have with everyone else. Nobody is left out - not the fearful rich nor the fearful poor - and it doesn't matter what color your skin might be, or what your ethnic roots may be, or even with what gender you identify. And it's all-American. Those who are good at accumulating 'things' can get rid of them - and all the worries that go with trying to protect what you have. What a deal! What a great idea! (Sure beats both socialism and capitalism!)
Jensen organized protests against invading Iraq before the Iraq invasion and helped organize demonstrations against the horrors being done to Iraq by the US demonstrations near the Bush ranch at Crawford. We had to walk through thousands of right wing Texas Bush supporters to get to the first few demonstrations. Jensen is not just some ivory tower liberal. Racism and sexism do need to be faced and spoken about but I do think that right now the classism of monopolistic corporate fascist mafias should be the no. 1 topic. But of course the destructive Empire mentality has its roots in more than just economics. One useful way to discuss racism is to show how the Han Chinese like the white people of the US have persecuted and had a superiority complex over the minorities of their Empire. Another analogy would be the way the Japanese treat the multi-generation Korean community in Japan. We must get past our ape like tendency to want to kill those of our species from outside our band. If we are to survive as a space faring species we must attain a more ecological and spiritually intuitive wisdom. Helen Caldecott, the Australian leader of the international antinuclear movement back in the late 70's-early 80's began having some personal frustration and difficulty with her own family with the pressure of facing the darkness of militarism in society. Then she took up daily meditation and found an inner peace to continue her outer fight for peace. But the branch of the New Age liberal folk who never do anything for outer peace besides their recycle bucket just do a little dabbling in meditation and very few have ever done intense all day mindfulness meditation retreats where you face your shadow. You never can reach a stable peace until you understand duality and division, any peace without understanding impermanence and suffering is just temporary and another illusion. We must face those divisions in society and within our self.
And now we face the impermanence of US Empire, that is the main root of all this extreme right wing craziness. Empire and dictators overreach and the whole ego driven system crumbles.
Fine with me Tom.
I never exactly said he was an "ivory tower liberal."