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The PolicySpeak Disaster for Health Care
Barack Obama ran the best-organized and best-framed presidential campaign in history. How is it possible that the same people who did so well in the campaign have done so badly on health care?
And bad it is: The public option may well be gone. Neither Obama himself nor Senior Advisor David Axelrod even mentioned the public option in their pleas to the nation last Sunday (August 16, 2009). Secretary Sibelius even said it was “not essential.” Cass Sunstein’s co-author, Richard Thaler, in the Sunday NY Times (August 16, 2009, p. BU 4) called it “neither necessary nor sufficient.” There has been a major drop in support for the president throughout the country, with angry mobs disrupting town halls and the right wing airing its views with vehemence nonstop on radio and tv all day every day. As the NY Times reports, Organizing for America (the old Obama campaign network) can’t even get its own troops out to work for the President’s proposal.
What has been going wrong?
It’s not too late to turn things around, but we must first understand why the administration is getting beat at the moment.
The answer is simple and unfortunate: The president put both the conceptual framing and the messaging for his health care plan in the hands of policy wonks. This led to twin disasters.
The PolicyList Disaster
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Howard Dean was right when he said that you can’t get health care reform without a public alternative to the insurance companies. Institutions matter. The list of what needs reform makes sense under one conceptual umbrella. It is a public alternative that unifies the long list of needed reforms: coverage for the uninsured, cost control, no preconditions, no denial of care, keeping care when you change jobs or get sick, equal treatment for women, exorbitant deductibles, no lifetime caps, and on and on. It’s a long list. But one idea, properly articulated, takes care of the list: An American Plan guarantees affordable care for all Americans. Simple. But not for policy wonks.
The policymakers focus on the list, not the unifying idea. So Obama’s and Axelrod’s statements last Sunday were just the lists without the unifying institution. And without a powerful institution, the insurance companies will just whittle away at enforcement of any such list, and a future Republican administration will just get rid of the regulators, reassigning them or eliminating their jobs.
Why do policymakers think this way?
One: The reality of how Congress is lobbied. Legislators are lobbied to be against particular features, depending on their constituencies. Blue Dogs are pressured by the right’s communication system operating in their districts. Congressional leaders have a challenge: Keep the eye of centrists and Blue Dogs on the central idea, despite the pressures of right-wing communications and lobbyists’ contributions.
Two: In classical logic, Leibniz’ Law takes an entity as being just a collection of properties. As if you were no more than eyes, legs, arms, and so on, taken separately. Without a public institution turning a unifying idea into a powerful reality, health care becomes just a collection of reforms to be attacked, undermined, and gotten around year after year.
Three: Current budget-making assumptions. Health is actually systematic in character. Health is implicated in just about all aspects of our culture: agriculture, the food industry, advertising, education, business, the distribution of wealth, sports, and so on. Keeping it as a line item — what figure do you put down on the following lines — misses the systemic nature of health. The image of Budget Director Peter Orszag running constantly in and out of Senator Max Baucus’ office shows how the systemic nature of health has been turned into a list of items and costs. Without a sense of the whole, and an institution responsible for it, health will be line-itemed to death.
Obama had the right idea with the “recovery” package. The economy is not just about banking. It is about public works, education, health, energy, and a lot more. It is systemic. The whole is more than the sum of its parts.
The PolicySpeak Disaster
PolicySpeak is the principle that: If you just tell people the policy facts, they will reason to the right conclusion and support the policy wholeheartedly.
PolicySpeak is the principle behind the President’s new Reality Check Website. To my knowledge, the Reality Check Website, has not had a reality check. That is, the administration has not hired a first-class cognitive psychologist to take subjects who have been convinced by right-wing myths and lies, have them read the Reality Check website, and see if the Reality Check website has changed their minds a couple of days or a week later. I have my doubts, but do the test.
To many liberals, PolicySpeak sounds like the high road: a rational, public discussion in the best tradition of liberal democracy. Convince the populace rationally on the objective policy merits. Give the facts and figures. Assume self-interest as the motivator of rational choice. Convince people by the logic of the policymakers that the policy is in their interest.
But to a cognitive scientist or neuroscientist, this sounds nuts. The view of human reason and language behind PolicySpeak is just false. Certainly reason should be used. It’s just that you should use real reason, the way people really think. Certainly the truth should be told. It’s just that it should be told so it makes sense to people, resonates with them, and inspires them to act. Certainly new media should be used. It’s just that a system of communications should be constructed and used effectively.
I believe that what went wrong is (a) the choice of PolicySpeak and (b) the decision to depend on the campaign apparatus (blogs, Town Hall meetings, presidential appearances, grassroots support) instead of setting up an adequate communications system.
What Now?
It is not too late. The statistic I’ve heard is that over 80% of citizens want a public plan, but the right wing’s framing has been overwhelming public debate, taking advantage of the right’s communication system and framing prowess.
The administration has dug itself (and the country) into a hole. At the very least, the old mistakes can be avoided, a clear and powerful narrative is still available and true, and some powerful, memorable, and accurate language should be substituted for PolicySpeak, or at least added and repeated by spokespeople nationwide.
The narrative is simple:
Insurance company plans have failed to care for our people. They profit from denying care. Americans care about one another. An American plan is both the moral and practical alternative to provide care for our people.
The insurance companies are doing their worst, spreading lies in an attempt to maintain their profits and keep Americans from getting the care they so desperately need. You, our citizens, must be the heroes. Stand up, and speak up, for an American plan.
Language
As for language, the term “public option” is boring. Yes, it is public, and yes, it is an option, but it does not get to the moral and inspiring idea. Call it the American Plan, because that’s what it really is.
The American Plan. Health care is a patriotic issue. It is what your countrymen are engaged in because Americans care about each other. The right wing understands this well. It’s got conservative veterans at Town Hall meeting shouting things like, “I fought for this country in Vietnam, and I’m fight for it here.” Progressives should be stressing the patriotic nature of having our nation guaranteeing care for our people.
A Health Care Emergency. Americans are suffering and dying because of the failure of insurance company health care. 50 million have no insurance at all, and millions of those who do are denied necessary care or lose their insurance. We can’t wait any longer. It’s an emergency. We have to act now to end the suffering and death.
Doctor-Patient care. This is what the public plan is really about. Call it that. You have said it, buried in PolicySpeak. Use the slogan. Repeat it. Have every spokesperson repeat it.
Coverage is not care. You think you’re insured. You very well may not be, because insurance companies make money by denying you care.
Deny you care… Use the words. That’s what all the paperwork and administrative costs of insurance companies are about – denying you care if they can.
Insurance company profit-based plans. The bottom line is the bottom line for insurance companies. Say it.
Private Taxation. Insurance companies have the power to tax and they tax the public mightily. When 20% - 30% of payments do not go to health care, but to denying care and profiting from it, that constitutes a tax on the 96% of voters that have health care. But the tax does not go to benefit those who are taxed; it benefits managers and investors. And the people taxed have no representation. Insurance company health care is a huge example of taxation without representation. And you can’t vote out the people who have taxed you. The American Plan offers an alternative to private taxation.
Is it time for progressive tea parties at insurance company offices?
Doctors care; insurance companies don’t. A public plan aims to put care back into the hands of doctors.
Insurance company bureaucrats. Obama mentions them, but there is no consistent uproar about them. The term needs to come into common parlance.
Insurance companies ration care. Say it and ask the right questions: Have you ever had to wait more than a week for an authorization? Have you ever had an authorization turned down? Have you had to wait months to see a specialist? Does you primary care physician have to rush you through? Have your out-of-pocket costs gone up? Ask these questions. You know the answers. It’s because insurance companies have been rationing care. Say it.
Insurance companies are inefficient and wasteful. A large chunk of your health care dollar is not going for health care when you buy from insurance companies.
Insurance companies govern your lives. They have more power over you than even governments have. They make life and death decisions. And they are accountable only to profit, not to citizens.
The
health care failure is an insurance company failure.
Why keep a failing system? Augment it. Give an alternative.
The Needed Communication System
A progressive communication system should be started. It should go into every Congressional district. It should concentrate on general progressive ideas. President Obama has articulated what these are.
Appropriate language can be found to express these values. They lie at the heart of all progressive policies. If they are out there every day, it becomes easier to discuss any issue. This is what it means to prepare the ground for specific framings.
The Culture War is On! You Can’t Ignore it
President Obama wants to unify the country, and he should. It is a noble idea. It is the right idea. And he started out with the right way to do it. Campaign for what you believe – for empathy, social responsibility, making the nation better. Activate the progressive values in the many millions of Americans who have some conservative values and some progressive values.
But also inhibit the radical, harmful conservative ideology in the brains of our countrymen, by directly saying what’s wrong with it. Yes, there are villains. They have a very potent communications system and can organize their troops. Every victory makes them more powerful. They have put together powerful narratives. We need more powerful ones.
And avoid PolicySpeak and PolicyLists.
What should have been done?
It is useful to review what should and should not have been done, because we need to understand the past to avoid future mistakes.
First, it was obvious to the framing community what the right wing would do. Almost every move could have been predicted, and most of them were. There should have been a serious counter effort from right after the election.
Second, an effective communication system should have been built. Not for dictating what to say, but for creating a system of effectively trained spokespeople who can get the basic progressive values out there every day, to compete with the very effective conservative system. It should not work issue by issue, but in addition to the issues of the day, it should promote general values that apply to all issues.
The elements are all in existence. The money is there. Indeed it would be a lot cheaper to build than spending tens of millions of dollars on health care ads. What it would accomplish is laying the groundwork in advance of any particular issue. The work of such a communication system would be to activate ideas already there in the millions of citizens who have progressive as well as conservative worldviews in their brain circuitry. The idea would be to make progressive ideas stronger and conservative ideas weaker, balancing what the conservative communication system is doing now.
It is rather late in the game for the stimulus, cap and trade, and health care, but better late than never. And it would be indispensible for future policy campaigns. Framing a powerful message is a lot easier when the groundwork for it has already been laid. Without the groundwork, it is much harder.
Third, a serious framing education effort with folks who do know the science should have been organized, not just for the communications system, but for the policymakers themselves.
Fourth, the villainizing of real insurance company villains should have begun from the beginning. As it is, the right wing turned the tables. They attributed to government all the disasters of insurance company health care: rationing, long lines, waits for authorizations and visits to specialists, denial of care. The administration is trying to turn that around, but it is harder now, and they are trying it using PolicySpeak, which is the most ineffective of means.
Fifth, the positive policy should have been made in moral terms, with clear and vivid language. The term “public option” is a PolicySpeak loser. The public is the American public, it is all of us, it is America, and it should have been called the American Plan.
Sixth, the administration should have been on the offensive not the defensive all the way. The use of conservative language should never have been used in debunking.
Seventh, it was a mistake to shut out single payer advocates. They should have been welcomed into the debate. Though the term “single payer” is hopeless PolicySpeak and “doctor-patient care” would have been more accurate, nonetheless the doctors, nurses, and unions advocating for such a plan could have done a lot of the work of villainizing the health care industry and would have drawn fire from the Right. An alternative on the left would have made the President’s plan a compromise. Besides, there is so much to be said in favor of single payer, that there might have been fewer actual compromises with the right.
Eighth, it was a mistake to put cost ahead of morality. Health care is a moral issue, and the right-wing understands that and is using it. That’s why the “death panels” and “government takeover” language resonates with those who have a conservative moral perspective and have effectively used terms like “pro-life.” Health care is a life and death issue, which is as moral as anything could be. The insurance companies have been on the side of death, and that needs to be said overtly.
Ninth, accepting the idea that health is a line item separate from agriculture policy, the food industry, regulation of food and drugs, education, the vitality of business, banking reform, etc. is just bad economics. These are all tied up together. In this, health care might have been treated like the “recovery” package, but in reverse.
A causal approach to economics would be appropriate. Instead of putting funds in many places, it might have taken funds from sources of health problems. For example, big agriculture and the food industry produce and heavily marketed foods that have been central causes of the obesity epidemic and heart disease — corn syrup, too much meat, and so on. They might have been called upon to pay the costs of treating heart disease, strokes, and diabetes. It would not be popular with those industries, but it would be causally fair, and might even save a lot of lives – and money.
Our take another example of causal economics. Hugely high private taxation (that is, high costs and profit taking) by the health insurance industry helped drive American automakers into bankruptcy. The health insurance industry should have had to use a portion of their profits for bailouts of the auto industry, and the equivalent amount of bailout money could have been used for providing health care to those without it.
Given the systemic nature of our culture and our economy, a move in the direction of such causal economics should start to be seriously considered. At the very least it would bring up the question, alert the public to systemic causation, and start people thinking about the justice of causal economics.
All this is not just 20-20 hindsight. My colleagues, Glenn Smith and Eric Haas and I have made many of these points before. See our reply to the May 2009 memo by Frank Luntz:
www.huffingtonpost.com/...
And take a look at an even earlier memo of the logic of the health care debate:
Where PolicyLists and PolicySpeak Come From
Framing is everywhere, not just in language. What people do depends on how they think, on how they understand the world — and we all use framing to understand the world. Truth matters. But it can only be comprehended when it is framed effectively, and heard constantly.
This point is to often misunderstood that it is important to understand why. It is also important to understand where PolicyLists and PolicySpeak come from and why they have the powerful grip that they have. This is especially important now, when there might still be a chance to turn the health care debate around.
The source of these political disasters lies in an unlikely place: our most common understanding of reason itself.
What Is Reason Really Like?
PolicySpeak is supposed to be reasoned, objective discourse. It thus assumes a theory of what reason itself is — a philosophical theory that dates back to the 17th Century and is still taught.
Over the past four decades, cognitive science and neuroscience have provided a scientific view of how the brain and mind really work. A handful of these results have come into behavioral economics. But most social scientists and policymakers are not trained in these fields. They still have the old view of mind and language.
The old philosophical theory says that reason is conscious, can fit the world directly, is universal (we all think the same way), is dispassionate (emotions get in the way of reason), is literal (no metaphor or framing in reason), works by logic, is abstract (not physical) and functions to serve our interests. Language on this view is neutral and can directly fit, or not fit, reality.
The scientific research in neuroscience and cognitive science has shown that most reason is unconscious. Since we think with our brains, reason cannot directly fit the world. Emotion is necessary for rational thought; if you cannot feel emotion, you will not know what to want or how anyone else would react to your actions. Rational decisions depend on emotion. Empathy with others has a physical basis, and as much as self-interest, empathy lies behind reason.
Ideas are physical, part of brain circuitry. Ideas are constituted by brain structures called ‘frames’ and ‘metaphors,’ and reason uses them. Frames form systems, called worldviews. All language is defined relative to such frames and metaphors. There are very different conservative and progressive worldviews, and different words can activate different worldviews. Important words, like freedom, can have entirely different meanings depending on your worldview. In short, not everybody thinks the same way.
As a result, what is taken as “objective” discourse is often worldview dependent. This is especially true of health care. All progressive writing supporting some version of health care assumes a progressive moral worldview, in which no one should be forced to go without heath care, the government should play a role, market regulation is necessary, and so on.
Those with radical conservative worldviews may well think otherwise: that everyone should be responsible for their own and their family’s health care, that the government is oppressive and should stay out of it, that the market should always dominate, and so on.
Overall, the foundational assumptions underlying PolicySpeak are false. It should be no wonder that PolicySpeak isn’t working.
The Bi-conceptual Audience
A property of brains called “mutual inhibition” permits people to have contradictory worldviews and go back and forth between them. Many people have both progressive and conservative worldviews, but on different issues — perhaps conservative on financial issues and progressive on social issues. Such people are called bi-conceptuals. President Obama understands this. He has said that his “bipartisanship” means finding Republicans who happen to share his progressive views on particular issues, and working with them on those issues—and not accepting an ideology (radical conservatism) rejected by the American people.
The people the President has to convince are the millions of bi-conceptuals. That means he has to have them thinking of health care in progressive moral terms, not conservative moral terms. How can this be accomplished?
Why Do the Nature of Reason and Language Matter?
It’s all in the brain. Words activate frame-and-metaphor circuits, which in turn activate worldview circuits. Whenever brain circuitry is activated, the synapses get stronger, and the circuits are easier to activate again. Conservative language will activate conservative frames, which will activate and strengthen the conservative worldview.
Conservative tacticians may not know about brain research, but they know about marketing, and marketing theorists use that brain research. That is why conservatives place such importance on language choice, from the classic “socialized medicine,” to Luntz’s “government takeover” to Palin’s “death panels.” When repeated over and over, the words evoke a conservative worldview, with many of the specific bogeymen — abortion, socialism = communism = nazism, euthanasia, foreigners, taxes, spending, the liberal elite, Big Brother, and so on. The most effective language has emotional appeal and, to conservatives, a moral appeal because it activates the conservative moral worldview. And such language, repeated every day, changes brains, strengthening the synapses of those who listen.
Conservative language will activate and strengthen conservative worldviews — even when negated! I titled a book Don’t Think of an Elephant! to make this point. The classic example is Richard Nixon’s “I am not a crook,” which made everyone think of him as a crook. And yet I’ve heard President Obama say “We don’t want a government takeover,” which activates the idea of a government takeover. Mediamatters.org’s major story, as I write this, is: “The media have debunked the death panels -- more than 40 times.” It then gives a list of 40 cases of debunking, each one of which uses the term “death panels.” And you wonder, after so many debunkings, why it is still believed! Each “debunking” reinforced the idea. The first rule of effective communication is stating the positive in your own terms, not quoting the other side’s language with a negation.
The Conservative Communication System
The serious reporting on role of conservative think tanks began in the mid-1990’s with works such as:
In 1996, my Moral Politics appeared, outlining the conservative and progressive moral worldviews and how the conservatives used language to frame public discourse their way.
In 2004, Rob Stein tracked the conservative communications system, traeling the country with his detailed powerpoint, "The Conservative Message Machine Money Matrix." Stein tracked not only conservative think tanks, but also the language experts and training institutes training tens of thousands of conservative spokespeople He also tracked the communications facilities, and the collections of “experts” on every issue, together with a booking agency booking the experts daily on media all over the country. Daily talking points are repeated by those “experts.” The conservative communications system extends into every congressional district, including the districts of democrats. In the case of the Blue Dog Democrats, who come from relatively conservative districts, the Blue Dogs have to deal with constituents who hear conservative framing over and over every day without anything effective countering it. That is a major factor in Blue Dog resistance to administration proposals.
With all this information, you might think that progressives would set up their own communications network going into the heart of conservative districts everywhere, day after day, effectively countering the conservative framing.
It didn’t happen. Instead, PolicySpeak prevailed. The old philosophical theory, which is taught in every policy school, won out. Progressives thought such a communications system would be illegitimate — what the conservatives do. They believe, in 17th Century fashion, that if they just state the facts, people should reason to the right conclusion.
So progressives set up truth squad websites and blogs to negate conservative lies – like Media Matters, The Center for American Progress, the People for the American Way, the Center for America’s Future, MoveOn, Organizing for America, and so on. These are all fine organizations, and we are fortunate to have them. But … they are preaching to the choir (because they don’t have an adequate communications system), and they are using PolicySpeak: just stating the policy truths will be enough.
As I was writing this, I received the viral email written by David Axelrod, which he refers to as “probably one of the longest emails I've ever sent.” It is indeed long. It is accurate. It lays out the President’s list of needed reforms. It answers the myths. It appeals to people who would personally benefit from the President’s plan. It drops the Public Option, which makes sense of the list. And it is written in PolicySpeak. It has 24 points – 3 sets of 8.
Ask yourself which is more memorable: “Government takeover,” “socialized medicine,” and “death panels” — or Axelrod’s 24 points?
Did the administration do a reality check on the 24 points? That is, did they have one of our superb cognitive psychologists test subjects who were convinced of the right-wing framing, have them read the 24 points, and test them a couple days or a week later on whether Axelrod’s 24 points had convinced them? PolicySpeak folks don’t tend to think of such things.
I genuinely hope the 24 points work. But this is the kind of messaging that created the problems in the first place.
I respect Axelrod deeply. But the strategist who ran the best-framed campaign I’ve ever seen is giving in to PolicySpeak.
The Irony
There is a painful irony in all this, and I am aware of it constantly. Highly educated progressives, who argue for the importance of science, have been ignoring or rejecting the science of the brain and mind. Why?
Because brains are brains. A great many progressives have not grown up with, nor have they learned, the new scientific understanding of reason. Instead they have acquired the old philosophical theory of reason and assume it every day in everything they do. The old view is inscribed indelibly in the synapses of their brains. It will be hard for those progressives to comprehend the new science that contradicts their daily practice.
They may find it hard to comprehend framing, metaphor, and narrative as the way reason really works — as what you need to do to communicate truth. Instead, they may well think of framing as merely manipulation and spin, as the mechanism that the right wing uses to communicate lies.
An excellent example of such old-theory thinking appears in the Rahm Emanuel/Bruce Reed book, The Plan, where framing is seen only as manipulation, not as the structure of ideas. Emanuel and Reed (p. 21) assume that policy is independent of what they incorrectly understand framing to be. As a result, they assume that framing can only be illegitimate manipulation.
This is, of course, the very opposite of what I and other cognitive scientists have been saying. They are right that real reason can be manipulated in that way, as Frank Luntz has shown us. But it need not be. An understanding of how the brain really works can be used to communicate the truth effectively, and that’s how it should be used.
In the Obama campaign, honest, effective framing was used with great success. But in the Obama administration, something has changed. It needs to change back.
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Show AllWell,it is actually worse than that.
As soon as Obama won and even before the Inauguration he has been a disappointment growing into a disaster. Every day it is another affront, another corporate sell-out, another betrayal, another Bush policy embrace, another step backwards, and I think all these things combined are reaching a tipping point. Much like with Bush, the daily list of blows is becoming overwhelming and difficult to get an accounting of--since it is all being rammed through so fast, while Obama still rides on his good graces. Gradually people went into the shock of denial and now they are starting to say stop, enough. People are drawing the line at the public option. It is just as much symbolic as it is substantive. The latest tactic is the don't-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater lecture-scolding that a few symbolic improvements surrounding a massive give-away to Insurance Companies is something to cheer about.
This was the sell-out plan all along. The insider wonks just assumed it, like everything else would slip right by. If Obama really wanted to sell it he would've used a personality with more populist appeal--all this analysis isn't necessary. Obama can't create a narrative because he is compromised by his corporate allegiances and secret backroom sell-outs. We know about it all already--anything he says now will be perceived as phoney..
Just a note--We have a Blue Dog, swept in on the anti-Republican reaction when any Democrat would've won. He is not popular and the district I live in had a progressive congressman for years. That is BS about the Blue Dogs obligated to represent their districts. It is just a convenient construct by the Democrats to create their own obstruction since they can't blame it on anyone else anymore.
"Obama can't create a narrative because he is compromised by his corporate allegiances and secret backroom sell-outs. We know about it all already--anything he says now will be perceived as phoney.."
This indeed is the crux of the matter. Well said Vern.
I agree. I was going to make this comment about being compromised, and extending it to the rest of the Democrats. But most people aren't ready to give up their illusions. My own daughter-in-law, a smart informed progressive, is still cutting Obama slack, and can't stand to hear me criticize him. What can I say? Hope springs eternal.
Obama has only lost 20% of his approval ratings, which he managed to do in the first 8 months of his presidency. I think most people are giving him a year for things to start turning around, and two years for things to actually look good. So for the most part he will get his year. But he's got so many Clintonistas in his administration, and they are exactly the ones Lakoff is writing about.
Why is it that when there is an obviously smart solution, it never gets taken? We seem hardwired for disaster.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
I can never figure out why democrats don't frame arguments using language like the republicans do. They see it works but they don't do it. I just don't get it.
On a different note, I think that people who are against what the insurance companies are doing need to loudly and publicly say that they will dump their Insurance company stocks if the insurance companies keep on fighting health care reform. Then they should follow through on their threats and sell.
Most of what these insurance companies are doing is to appease Wall Street investors. So hit em where it counts. Also say you'll pull out of funds that invest in the insurance industry.
Treat the insurance companies like Apartheid South Africa was treated, boycott anything that invests in them . That is the only way to deal with these companies. The only thing they care about is money, so make them pay!
"I can never figure out why democrats don't frame arguments using language like the republicans do. They see it works but they don't do it. I just don't get it"
Because they want to win, they just don't want what the said to win, to win.
People are unlikely to dump their stocks if they know they will make a killing at a time when they are losing everything else.
You may want to restate the first sentence in your reply. I think there is a typo in it because I cant quite figure out what you are trying to say.
As far as your second point goes, if the health care debate really means something to them then they need to take a stand. Most likely you will loose more money living under an unreformed health care system than you would loose selling your health insurance stock. Invest with a social conscience.
Because they want to win (elections), they just don't want what they said to win,(what they campaigned on to win) to win (they really don't want what they campaigned on to win to win).
Alright I see the point that you are making. I didn't have my really big cynical hat on this morning when I first read the article.
I'm not sure why I even bother reading this stuff any more. It looks like the game is so rigged that it is pointless to even try to educate yourself on what is going on. Realistically we are powerless to do anything meaningful about it.
I know, but what choice to we have but to persist? At least we don't suffer any illusions, but I sure can understand how ignorance is bliss.
“I can never figure out why democrats don't frame arguments using language like the republicans do. They see it works but they don't do it. I just don't get it.”
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The main trust in George Lakoff’s essay is his frame metaphor that he is presenting as result of new discoveries over the past four decades in cognitive science and neuroscience. The health reform is used by him as but the most obvious example of how best intentions are doomed if George Lakoff’s science is not used. Now after so many attempts to propagandize his frames, George have finally come with the new key word – worldview and proceeded with explanation of differences between progressive and conservative worldviews. We can go further to analyze impotent “debates” in so called “progressive community” in the United States and all smoke and mirrors that were put by progressives only to avoid M-word, C-word and P-word.
For the simplest fact is that Marxist analysis is back; that Class War is raging; that Proletariat of to-day is in great need of growing into self-consciousness and of being organized. Instead of talking about irrelevant nonsense, theoreticians like George Lakoff would better serve their debt to We the People if they admitted another simple fact that industrial proletariat of yesteryear, plays in to-day town meetings the same role as Vendean peasants did in 1793 while fighting loosing war against Revolution on the side of their feudal oppressors.
For the simple fact is that modern proletariat in our informational age is us, real shakers and movers of our society even if only posting in the blogosphere. We are counted in tens of millions but we just do not get it. And we will. To recognize this fact and spread such recognition en masse is really big job that should be started yesterday and continue relentlessly. There is no time for whining.
For the Government by, of and for, financial oligarchy had no intentions to surrender its grip on so called We the People; that ruling former capitalist class on its way down to dust bin of history is all too happy to throw away the fig list of “democratic” institutions, which it used for more than 200 years ago on its way up from fighting feudal landed oligarchs of good old days.
Forget about reaction - the time has come for action.
observer
Normally, Mr. Lakoff is spot on about the framing question but on this one I have to agree with Vern, just below.
The Dems have/had no intention of doing anything to upset their corporate masters. When Obama put a Monsanto employee in charge of food safety, it was obvious the fix was in from the beginning. He completely lost my respect with that one.
Mr. Lakoff is also wrong about doctors. They prefer to suppress health care information that threatens their livelihood or their self-important view of themselves as the only ones with the solutions to your problems. (Not all docs, but certainly the vast majority I've run into, and I worked in hospitals for 9 years, 3 separate places-- 2 urban, 1 rural.)
Right. The obvious framing the Democrats should engage in, that is if they actually wanted to improve the lives of ordinary Americans, would be to characterize those who run and profit from insurance companies as greedy, corrupted, heartless, lying, thieving fiends. Since there is a great deal of truth to that, and a mountain of evidence supporting it, the Democrats could successfully push that frame if they wished. But they do not want to upset their "friends" in the insurance industry.
This article is is ridiculous in its convoluted argument FOR doing what it says it is aguing against. It seems worthy of touring as stand-up comedy. Is George Lakoff David Axelrod's secret lover?
The elephant in the room is that the current mess is the result of deceit and/or a huge lack of anything beyond typical knee-jerk 'Washington must be Wallstreet' thinking on the part of Obama and All the Clinton Triangulating republicans who masquerde as democrats, pretending to be progressive, but who really believe that the Chamber of Commerce represents the buyer.
Lakoff's excellent analysis has two major failings--the assumption that there really is a difference in governing objectives between Republicans and Democrats and that both parties are independent of each other.
On the evidence available (the filings of campaign contributors, the revolving door of government to industry to think-tank, to lobbying taken by so many insiders, and most importantly of all the constant switching of policy positions) neither of the above assumptions are the case.
This being so, George's carefully reasoned, flawlessly accurate, and precisely defined arguments are irrelevent to what currently is the governance of the United States.
Poet
Great comment, Poet. Exactly so. I loved your last elegantly stated sentence. Although he isn't actually referring to Democrats and Republicans, but to conservatives and progressives. And there is certainly a difference there. The problem is finding some progressives in government.
Kathy
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
The LAST thing Americans need are more appeals to "Patriotism" and "Exceptionalism".
That appealing to "stupid" works hardly means everyone should appeal to "stupid".
Policy wonks are part of the problem but not the only one, or perhaps even the main one.
I was very unhappy when I saw Obama surrounding himself with a bunch of Clinton-era "centrist" Democrats. We voted for this guy because we wanted *change*, not another round of 90s yuppie "liberals don't matter" pseudo-democrats who surrender and swing further right at the first sign of a struggle.
"There has been a major drop in support for the president throughout the country."
These polls only reflect that Health Care reform is shifting too far to the right, not too far left. Think about it: Righties will never favor Obama in any poll, even if he was implementing the exact same policies as the Bush administration (in many regards he is). This means the drop in poll numbers indicates losing support from the left. Many of us Obama supporters know this to be true... we've become Obama apologists in progressive circles.
It's unfortunate that the corporate media covers Obama's poll numbers sliding as an indication that America does not want REAL health care reform.
Another stimulating read from Lakoff. But I agree with what almost every commenter has said; the entire article depends on the premise that Obama and the Democrats want the reform that the vast majority of Americans want and which Obama has repeatedly said he wants. There is no evidence of this at all, unless you believe that a politician speaks his/her mind. Indeed there is overwhelming evidence that the Obama White House wants to be able to pass a "Health Reform" bill for which they can get credit irrespective of whether it reforms anything while at the same time not hurting the people on whom they depend for the contributions (insurance companies, banks, etc) on which they depend to keep them in power and which most certainly will secure for them a comfortable retirement.
Not one of us has a problem understanding that if a friend continuously misrepresents himself, it would be stupid to keep on trusting what he says. Why then is it so difficult for people to realize that Obama's words, beautifuly crafted as they may be, cannot be trusted anymore after so many lies.
You say that we should ignore everything Obama has said about what he hopes to accomplish with health care reform and instead accept the "overwhelming evidence" that he is merely seeking to feather his retirement nest. Would you please provide an itemized list of the evidence?
Vern:
I agree but I think you don't go far enough. Lakoff's dilemma - like much of the left who drank the Obama koolaid - is that they can't bear to face the facts.
The problem is not those nasty Republicans, nor the Blue Dogs nor the 'framing' nonsense Lakoff shovels out here. The problem is Obama.
He's an incompetent corporate tool and he always has been. Go back to his Illinois State Senate days and see how he deconstructed the healthcare reforms there for the insurance companies' benefit.
Until the 'progressive left' realizes that they were conned into nominating and electing a sociopathic corporate sock puppet, not much is going to change because the anger and the accusations are always going to be misdirected elsewhere, anywhere but where it belongs: in Obama's lap.
The rightwingnutosphere doesn't have to do anything but laugh as the 'progressive left' turns on itself, continues to deny Obama's incompetence/con game and runs in circles to complete meltdown.
Well said Vern, and I agree with most of the previous posts. Lakoff makes some good and interesting points about political "tactics" but he assumes that Obama's behaviour has been a mistake and not exactly what was intended all along.
The problem isn't entirely the policy wonks, if at all. Obama said it himself. The best solution to America's healthcare needs is single payer. You don't need a wonk to explain it. It is very simple(much simpler than the current systems or proposed public option).
Single payer:
You go to whatever docter you want.
You visit any hospital.
Docters, not insurance companies decide what treatments are warranted.
The government pays the bills (the cost is half what you pay now).
Now is that too complicated for the Democrats?
I agree wholeheartedly with your points. But you would be much more persuasive as a health-policy advocate if you would learn how to spell "doctor." I'm serious about this--people see "docter" and think this guy can't possibly know sh*t from shinola.
-But you would be much more persuasive as a health-policy advocate if you would learn how to spell "doctor."
Thanks for pointing this out, vanmungo. I blame my editors!!...or more likely my lack of time to proofread;) Damn! Why can't spelling be as simple as health care advocacy??
BTW -- I read George Lakoff's book, Don't Think of an Elephant!, and the book contained several typos. No doubt, he had editors and even proofreaders.
-- Barack Obama ran the best-organized and best-framed presidential campaign in history. How is it possible that the same people who did so well in the campaign have done so badly on health care? --
Those who win elections are those who are best at winning elections, and has nothing to do with who is best at governing.
Wow, talk about missing the forest for the trees. I can't believe how many posters here think this article is primarily about Health Care reform. Health Care reform is just an example (timely and important, but still just an example) of how the Dems and progressives can get so much messaging wrong, while the morons on the right are so much more effective.
The article could have been about anything. Lakoff's point is about Framing and Effective Communications. Let's pretend Kucinich/Nader were president/vice-pres, and they were all in for single-payer. If they were communicating like the Obama administration, i.e. not following Lakoffs precepts, they'd be getting buried too.
Geez. Can we NOT be such a bunch of knee-jerk liberals?
If the framing applied.
Missing the forest for the trees is not in how the issue is presented, but rather the evidence indicating the actual issue itself is of questionable validity.
Jeeves, does pretending that Kucinich/Nader are anything like Obama and the Dem leadership make you feel better about supporting the status quo?
Both Nader and Kucinich have been very clear about their very good proposals about solving America's healthcare problems. Don't try to drag them down to Obama's level.
jlocke: Does repeatedly genuflecting before Saints Kucinich and Nader make you feel more holy?
Oh please ! What makes Barry Obama any better than Kucinich or Nader?
It is this little pissing match between the Naderites and the Obamanols that has me convinced that the liberals/progressives/democrats will lose this fight--hell, all fights--with the conservatives.
The religious kooks are actually being more scientific than us. They are using superior, science-tested, rhetorical weapons that we refuse to pick up for whatever reason.
I am giving up.
I read Lakoff's article and thought I'd come to the comments section and see a groundswell of revelation sweeping through the comments, but what I find instead is pervasive, petty, and divisive bickering.
I thought I would suggest that each and every one of us and ten of our friends send Obama a copy of this article in the hope that they would start getting serious about being a liberal/progressive/democrat, but I now see that it is hopeless. The conservathugs have already won.
2012--Hello Palin--Goodbye Democratic party.
Sigh.
I'm not doing a pissing match between Nader and Obama. Don't you ever pay attention to the issues and where the pols stand on them and/or actions taken? If you had actually taken a close look at Obama's voting record in the Senate and his performance as president for the past 8 months, you would have realized that he's a Republican almost.
"I thought I would suggest that each and every one of us and ten of our friends send Obama a copy of this article in the hope that they would start getting serious about being a liberal/progressive/democrat, but I now see that it is hopeless. The conservathugs have already won."
Excuse me but Obama doesn't listen to us. He's been playing KISSYFACE with Corporate America and Big Military. Hellooooo??
"Hello Palin?"
Given Barry's performance and his rolling over like a dumb dog to the Republicans, if there were no 3rd parties on the ballot and I had to pick between Obama and Palin, I would vote Palin simply as a vote to PUNISH Obama. Better to have a known devil than an unknown one. Thankfully, we'll get a respectable progressive independent just like the last 3 elections where I proudly voted Nader.
cyon: Does repeatedly genuflecting before Saints Kucinich and Nader make you feel more holy?
The holy trinity of Kucinich, Nader and ...Sanders maybe?. Anyway, as far as progressives go, on the healthcare issue, you should listen to them. They are amongst the best you have got.
I've got a bit of an advantage over you cyon, I've already got my universal healthcare, and it is fabulous. I know (from personal experience) that Obama is full of manure on this issue with his phantom on again/off again "public option" (more likely a subsidy to the corporations). Talk to anyone who already enjoys something like what Kucinich and Nader are proposing for you, (in France, UK, Canada) and they will tell you the same thing: It is worth fighting for.
...But you didn't say why you are "sticking up" for Obama? Is it because he is proposing leaving tens of millions either underinsured or uninsured? Is it because he is proposing the mandatory buying of private insurance and penalizing those that don't want to pay the corporations for their overpriced/loophole ridden policies? Is it because his plan to get a bill, any bill passed, no matter what its contents, is more important to him than saving the lives of the tens of thousands of Americans who die without adequate medical care but would still be with us under Kucinich's proposals?
No, it's none of that. It's because Obama was actually elected and has some chance of getting some form of healthcare reform done. That is all.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/29/medicare-flashback/
(against medicare, healthcare since 1960's)
The reason progressives fail to frame their arguments in ways ordinary people can connect to is that most of them are arrogant and intellectual: "The Amerikkan people are stupid"--how many times have you read that on this website?
If ordinary people--like labor--would speak out with all their rage, ungrammatically and with all their misspellings--then progressive ideas would be communicated to most Americans and real change would happen. It's time for the salt-of-the-earth to lead--not upper middle class educated folks. I believe workers and the unemployed will lead, not now but after a few more political defeats. Certainly Obama will not be the leader to channel their anger.
Dr. Lakoff, you may be correct but why do you keep hoping the Democratic Party will actually listen to you? They haven't and they aren't about to even try? Another issue I have is you say conservatives are all bad. Well, if that's the case then why are some poor conservatives out there actually supporting Single Payer while opposing Obama-care? Some conservatives are probably aware of the fact that SP actually is a genuine tax cut of its own. Also, have you seen some of the major progressive sites and blogs lately? Some people get called Republican or even "racist" for questioning Obama's opposition to single payer and even his recent dropping of public option. Their attitudes are no different from the Limbaugh dittoheads. One minute they say "yeah we support single payer" and then the next minute "... but we have to compromise so shut up and forget single payer!". Such talk from even so-called "liberals" and "progressives" makes a lot of us feel totally left out. :(
LEAVE IT TO A BRAIN SCIENTIST
We Have a processed food industry that gives us a 50% diet, and a medical industry that is super careful to not mention diet. Fattened for the slaughter, on the operating table is performed the slaughter, and this brain scientist tells us its all in the head and good logic will save the day.
And not just good logic, but super intelligent logic, and so super that only our super elite can fathom the complexity of it. Like high finance so they say, only the stock market wizards who destroyed our economy can make our banks healthy so they say.
Why blame the "policy wonks"? Why not blame the person who assigned them? Why not blame Obama? Perhaps the original framing was not honest, however effective it might have been. Perhaps the framing was indeed illegitimate, a successful bid for the votes of people who were deceived into supporting an opportunist conservative in the health industry's pocket who never intended to offer those who voted for him a socialised health system. Real progressives need to free themselves from the web of words Obama wove so effectively.
Dr. Lakoff a conservative -- Why call him a liberal?
In my 40 years as a liberal, having read a great many things liberal, never have I ever seen a liberal or progressive commit such a gross manifest injustice to common horse sense.
Dr. Lakoff, like torture lawyer John Yoo, are Professors together, at the University of California at Berkeley together. Berkeley University funded primarily by rich conservatives, Dr. Lakoff and lawyer John Yoo strongly inclined to a very complex conservative old way of thinking, and both wanting to conserve values and ideals that I would consider obsolete, unsocial and anti-progressive.
Surely, if one desired to slander the social movement in a big way, promoting this article as progressive would do the trick.
Working Families Win is a grassroots movement by Americans for Democratic Action - many branches organizing for getting the message to representatives
http://www.wfwin.org/pages/issues-amp-resources/affordable-healthcare.php
In the Obama campaign, honest, effective framing was used with great success.
This is not true.
But in the Obama administration, something has changed. It needs to change back.
This is not true either.
I disagree with most posts here for one reason... the rhetoric over the past eight years of Bushisms has set up reactionary elements that are loaded for violence and not thinking. This was no accident and opened policy field days that have gone waaaaaayyy overboard. There is a degree of vulcanizing going on based in denial of fear over a whole lot of stuff... like eight years of LIES and smirks.
All Lakoff is doing is reframing the the old saw that you get more flies with honey that vinegar - just from a cognitive psych perspective.
Obama might still come through and he needs every single one of us to PUSH - as much as people might not like it - baby we're in the pot and the heat is on. Also keep in mind that we've got a bunch of pots on the flame. It ain't gonna be easyu and it ain't gonna end soon shweet hwart.
With the masses that supported him, keep in mind that thats also the impeachment body should it come to that.
Yes, it could have been framed better (borrow a page from Frank Luntz, stupid). But I have begun to believe it was framed exactly as intended.
It was always supposed to be "close, but no cigar." We have watched a performance of theatre. It was a game fixed before the outset. The boxing match they were always meant to "throw." How many other insipid analogies can I use????
This country, this congress, this president are OWNED by corporate interests. We saw the Wall St. bailout, the free money to AIG. What could we have been thinking? With a too-large-to-fail private health insurance industry, how on earth could we have even imagined there would be reform?
Do I feel stupid.
I like this article better than most that I've read from Lakoff, but
I think the thing the repels me most about his "framing is god" arguments is their patronizing tone, a certain way they have of proposing that the framing of ideas becomes, ultimately, more important than the ideas themselves.
There seems to me to be a capitulation to a kind of ad copy protocol and limited system of presentation and language that inhibits what is, to me, the real strength of ideas and of language: that it is the evolving, open, growing and creative force (with something of a life of its own), that finds any real power it has in how it reflects the minute evolutionary progress of human thinking, that gives ideas and their presentation in language their real power to catalyze.
Most ad copy is frozen in time, static, and in stasis in the set of rules it structures for its rather closed-ended communication. It has a narrow and often single-minded pre-conceived endpoint in mind, instead of what I think is the real job of much of language, to open minds and hearts to possibilities and in the end, to facilitate the evolution of an idea, and the way the human species sees and thinks of itself and its place in an entirely unframed cosmos.
This, I think, is the problem with prematurely praising the kind of "framing" that occurred during Obama's campaign without putting it in the historical context of its outcome.
The success of the campaign, in this context, looks more and more, and exactly, like the kind of manipulation that Lakoff insists framing is not and cannot be. That the purpose in producing the framing for the kind of exciting and, for many people, deeply moving event of the lead up to Obama's election may have been, in fact, only a way to get votes... not a preamble to the kind of follow through that was expected because of the high-minded rhetoric, framing, that was used to get those votes... betrays the importance and the likelihood of the kind of ultimate and dangerous compromises that can occur to a closed-ended system of language theory like the idea of framing.
Interesting enough, a "frame" in itself is a closed structure that surrounds and contains a picture and focuses the onlooker into it, into what is within its limits, not necessarily its possibilities and an evolution beyond itself... for that we perhaps are required to have another picture... and so on and so on.
While I am thinking about this I run though my mind an open-ended list of great minds, writers, poets, leaders, liberators, artists and geniuses throughout time and wonder about which ones of them, and in what proportion, were actually successful in "framing" their messages in a way that made them easier, more universally convincing and palatable through the use of the framing conventions of each of their times?
What frames did these cipherers use for their greatest messages, reforms, epics, sculptures, speeches and discoveries? Did they, could they, even think in those terms? What amount of energy did they or could they give to how their gifts were framed, given the import of what they had to create and deliver to the diasporas of seminal and essential human thought, spirit, art, and liberty; or at least to how others would perceive their framing and receive it? Certainly they were concerned about being received by their species: these were their gifts they were blessed with and that had to be given. But could these gifts have fit into such a limited space as a frame? What frame, conceived, designed and constructed completely within the conventions of each of their times, could fit around such broad and, ultimately, frame-breaking inventions and blasts of the divine?
Perhaps Obama is not among those great individuals whose jobs were, in my mind, to break frames rather than fit their thinking and works and gifts inside them, regardless of his lauded and revelatory presence in the course of human, if not just U.S., history. Still, if there ever was a time, this is certainly the time when we need to think outside the frames that are available to us, and if he and his advisors and policy wanks cannot do it, they ought to find someone who can.
But then, perhaps the problem is that they, somewhat like Lakoff, cannot conceive of a thing of worth unless it fits within their preconceived ideas of a frame, the right frame… and that preconception, by its very nature, stifles and encloses their thinking and prevents a more expansive view.
below is an excerpted paragraph from the NY Times article today. the salient point is the quote from that world-respected bastion of Capitalism...the ECONOMIST magazine..
when THE capitalist journal of the world gets to that point of a "stern editorial" against americans criticizing and misleading about what Britons OPENLY acknowledge as a SOCIALIST system and DEFEND it despite imperfections -- that means it's the USA and americans who are out of the loop!!
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Arguments against the health service by Republicans overlook the fact that while it costs half as much per person as the American system costs, “it delivers results which are on some plausible measures actually superior,” The Economist said in a stern editorial. “And it does this while avoiding the disgrace that so shames America, of leaving around 46 million people, some 15 percent of its population, without any form of health insurance.”
below is an excellent article, particularly how NY representative Weiner hits the nail on explaining why PRIVATE INSURANCE is fundamentally UNNECESSARY in any society:
IT DOES NOTHING except make profits . it is NOT a provider of health care, it is NOT the doctor, it is NOT the maker of drugs, it is NOT the caregiver...and is just a PARASITE that has taken over the "payment" and "disbursement system" that the more efficient, less costly governmemtn SINGLE PAYER system such as Medicaire does better.
it is an EXTRANEOUS institution and means of "payment" for a service and necessity: health care and caregiving that is
UNNECESSARY, bottom line - as I also pointed out in a comment in another thread.
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Joe Scarborough Is Shocked (Yet Awed) by Sheer Force of Single-Payer Logic
Posted by Leslie Savan, TheNation.com on August 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM.
Something rather remarkable happened on Tuesday's Morning Joe. Rep. Anthony Weiner of New York pointed out that the health insurance industry has no clothes, and Joe Scarborough, after first trying to spin it some gossamer threads, broke down and said, By God, you're right, this emperor is a naked money-making machine!
Well, he didn't use those exact words, but Joe did seem to finally get that America has granted insurance companies the right to create bottlenecks in the financing of health care in order to extract profits out of the suffering of ordinary people -- without providing any actual health care whatsoever.
"Why are we paying profits for insurance companies?" Weiner asked Scarborough. "Why are we paying overhead for insurance companies? Why," he asked, bringing it all home, "are we paying for their TV commercials?"
Weiner, who recently warned that President Obama could lose as many as 100 votes on a health bill if a public option is not included, really wants single payer -- Medicare for all Americans is his goal. What a crazy, way-out, reckless notion, Joe went into their encounter believing. But Weiner asked some simple, direct questions that no politician, much less Obama or HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, has managed to pose:
What is an insurance company? They don't do a single check-up. They don't do a single exam, they don't perform an operation. Medicare has a 4 percent overhead rate. The real question is why do we have a private plan?
"It sounds like you're saying you think there is no need for us to have private insurance in health care," Joe asked at one point.
Weiner replied: "I've asked you three times. What is their value? What are they bringing to the deal?"
Scraping the bottom of a seemingly bottomless pit of spin, Joe is repeatedly left speechless, "stunned" and "astounded," he said, by the questions themselves. Indeed, when confronted with unfettered capitalism's massive failures, the right usually has nothing to say. The "free market" is supposed to eternally grow, not crash under its own greed. They're left ideologically crippled.
But unlike, say, Lou Dobbs, who began dobbering when confronted with similarly direct argument for single-payer, Joe was able to take a deep breath and return from a break with his eyes opened.
He even repeated Weiner's points clearly: The government would take over only the "paying mechanism" of health care, not the doctors or their medical decisions themselves. His ears perked up every time Weiner mentioned that the nonprofit Medicare spends 4 percent on overhead, while private insurers spend 30 percent.
And Joe, who has been criticizing mob rule at town halls, seemed to appreciate the way Weiner counters the fearmongering over Medicare: After decades of railing against the program's wasteful, "runaway" spending, Republicans have done a 180 and are now trying to scare seniors that the Democrats' proposed Medicare cuts will come directly from their medical care and not, as is actually proposed, from wasteful, stupid practices in the system--like, as Weiner mentions, putting people into a $700-a-night hospital bed when all they really need, and often prefer, is a visit by a homecare attendant in the two-digit-a-day range.
Maybe the real turning point came when Weiner asked, "How does Wal-mart offer $4 prescriptions?" Joe and co-host Mika Brzezinski looked as if they'd been thwacked by a hardback copy of Atlas Shrugged, and sat back to let the congressman explain it all to them:
They go to the pharmaceutical companies and say, "Listen, we have a giant buying pool here. You're going to give us a great deal."
Who's bigger than Wal-Mart? We are, the taxpayers. Do we do that? No. Because we have outsourced this to insurance companies who don't have necessarily as much incentive to keep those costs down because, frankly, they are getting a piece of the action.
Progressives tend to understand this stuff, but many conservatives won't trust such logic, especially in the abstract, which is how most Dems have been communicating. But Weiner, aware that if you can't visualize something it ain't going to stick, argued with a specific, familiar visual -- that of a successful, supercapitalist, and, as Mika might say, "real American" company. And suddenly, as the mote dropped from the MJ crew's eyes, Weiner went from "scaring American citizens," in Joe's words, to instant celeb.
"That was SO great!" said Mika, as she and Joe asked Anthony to please, please come back soon, this week if possible!
"You have succeeded in doing something that no one else has done on this show in two years," said Joe, his fists rapidly knocking the table in excitement. "You made me speechless. And you made me speechless because you so clearly came here and stated your position."
While maintaining that he and Weiner have "different worldviews," Joe nevertheless raved, "This is fascinating, and one of the problems with the president's message is that it's muddled." And, damn, that's true.