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Wall Street Protesters Inspired by Arab Spring Movement
It worked in Cairo's Tahrir Square. Now, taking their cue from social-media fueled uprisings in places like Egypt and Iran, a band of online activists hopes it will work on Wall Street.
Kalle Lasn, co-founder of the counterculture magazine AdBusters, has taken to Twitter and other websites to help organize a campaign encouraging tens of thousands of Americans to hold a nonviolent sit-in Saturday in Lower Manhattan, the heart of the U.S. financial district.
This past spring and summer saw a massive groundswell of populist demonstrations against authoritarian regimes in North Africa and the Middle East -- the Arab Spring of 2011.
In Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain and Syria, protesters took to the streets and occupied public spaces to protest stagnant economies, lack of freedom of expression and regimes that seemed more concerned with consolidating power than addressing the needs of the people.
Each of these revolutions began differently, but they all were organized and fueled by tech-savvy social media users, particularly on Facebook and Twitter. Lasn now wants to use the Internet for a protest in the United States.
"There's a very visceral anger against the financial community," Lasn said. "Many people feel that these people who are financial fraudsters, who basically got away with it, have yet to be brought to justice... It seems like we the people now have to congregate on Wall Street and other financial districts around the world and force the global economic system to move in a better, more just direction."
Adbusters' protest campaign -- with the hashtag #occupywallstreet -- began in July with the launch of a simple campaign website calling for a march through the streets of Lower Manhattan and a sit-in at the New York Stock Exchange, just as demonstrators did in Tunis' November 7 Square and Cairo's Tahrir Square.
The campaign got a sizable boost in August from the hacktivist group Anonymous, which released a short video urging its supporters to participate in the sit-in.
Since then, the movement has seen the addition of planned protests in other countries, including Japan, Israel, Canada and a half-dozen European nations.
The aim of #occupywallstreet is to draw 20,000 protestors to New York's financial district, although Lasn hopes for as many as 90,000.
"In Tunisia and in Egypt, the Internet was used to organize surprising numbers of people to get out into the streets and start a radical, democratic movement for regime change," Lasn said. "Of course, the situation here in America and many European countries is quite different. We're not living under a torturous dictatorship, for one.
"Nonetheless, there's a feeling that the global financial system, the heart of which is in the U.S., in New York, that this system is somehow having its way with us," he said. "There's a feeling that we need a revolution in the way that our economy is run, the way that Washington is run."
This isn't, Lasn stresses, an excuse for rioting and looting like the world recently witnessed in the United Kingdom. It's a call for radical change, but in the tradition of nonviolent protesters like Mahatma Gandhi, he says. If protests turn violent, he fears the message will be lost.
"What we are hoping for is to have a very large number of people turn up in Lower Manhattan and start walking toward Wall Street peacefully, signs in hand," Lasn said. "If we have peaceful assemblies and debates about what our demands to President Obama should be, then bit by bit we can create a situation that will rival what happened in Egypt."
"That would be a wonderful, energizing and positive moment to feel like we the people are in charge," he said.
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Show All"What we are hoping for is to have a very large number of people turn up in Lower Manhattan and start walking toward Wall Street peacefully, signs in hand,"
Typical wimpy American imitation of much more vigorous protests elsewhere, If you think that your proposed efforts resemble anything like the "Arab Spring" uprisings, you've obviously overlooked or (more likely) consciously ignored a lot of what the latter actually involved.
Co-optation after the fact will hardly be required at all in this case. You'll continue to support the "Greatest (Sham) Democracy on Earth" because you don't have the guts to do what would really be required to replicate anything like what those "cowardly Arabs" did in the face of their tyrannical masters.
Pretty harsh analysis. The 500 people that actually showed up to the march were doing the work for hundreds of others. The turn out was pretty good all things considered.
Ya think? 500 is a good turnout? Pretty weak if you ask me.
I didn't ask you actually. Anyway 500 is what they got. We should be happy, that is a start. Think of how many people must have tried to get there but couldn't.
HEY RV - LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE. I am pretty tired of big talk and "jeerleading" from the sidelines. You say "you don't have the guts to do what would really be required". What is that? Is it one magic thing? Is it a secret that only you know? .
While implying that we have a big job to do, jeerleaders disparage any first step that people take because it is a wobbly baby step. Mocking is not the same as offering helpful, constructive, balanced criticism, or lending a hand. If you have better ideas, then you should lay them out, and meanwhile not forget to give credit for effort to those who have taken initiatives. .
We have enough real stuff to discourage us without dealing with a lot of attitude
jclientelle,
I strongly agree with you: we need to encourage and appreciate our fellow progressives for their activism, not ridicule or disparage them. And we need to help them grow in numbers and effectiveness, with the ways you suggest, and more.
RV, What exactly do you advocate to increase the numbers of the protesters and to enhance their effectiveness? Why don't you suggest your best ideas for people to consider?
Hi i ♥ BB,
That this is a CNN piece is grounds to be suspicious. I trust them about as far as I can hurl a widescreen LED TV. So there's no surprise that along with any news, will be their "dimwitted, dishonest & flat out wrong bit of editorializing, ... like portraying all antiwar or anti-WTO protesters as "hoodlums."
That's par for the course on any mainstream (Pravda) corporate news network. They can't admit the unvarnished truth that our times are marked by superabundance for the rich and austerity measures for the rest of us. That's playing out everywhere, and very much behind the 'lawlessness' and 'mindless destruction' of the UK riots. Of course big media loves to make us feel they're on our side, 'the peoples' side', reporting the responsible news that matters to us, but in the end, they know who they're pandering to, and who prints their paychecks.
Regardless of the source, this article heartens me. Though I suspect the messenger, I can see nothing but good in the message. Even CNN has to tell the truth of why such a protest is happening, and here it is:
We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth and the banksters are gambling away our futures, making all of us pay for it....
WE'RE MAD AS HELL, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
Cheers i ♥ BB,
Yes you are. You all are. Ultimately, it's not the fault of TPTB, the MIC, WS, the MSM, Bilderberg, but yours. Go ahead, be suspicious of CNN; that way you all can just go back to hammer out your courage on your keyboards.
Good post, very accurate. I hope a black block shows up to put a little fear into our bankster overlords.
What in the world are you talking about?!?
No pseudo-anarchist vandals have EVER done ANYTHING but HARM whatever action they co-opt.
They certainly have never and WILL never "put a little fear into our bankster overlords."
Why would these people be afraid of vandalism for a -supposed- cause? They deal with vandalism for no reason - and all kinds of other theft and property damage crimes- all the time.
Smashing a shop window -etc.- raises the shops insurance premiums. For the shop it hurts, but for the Insurance Companies it only HELPS. Your "bankster overlords" are cousins to the Insurance Companies and hold stock in them.
Security firms et al are also given a boost by such "rebellious" activities.
And the real black blockers fell apart 10 years ago. ;)
Do you not agree that 'sending a clear message' has it own merits?
Sure do.
But I'm not sure I agree with you that:
A) This action is "sending a clear message" at all.
B) If it is, the message is what you say.
There is something to be sad for making the bankers fearful revolution is at hand IMO. Peaceful (non sabotage) half day fluff protests don't scare them at all!
But neither does vandalism or rioting.
Why do you equate those things with revolution?
Please note that I'm not defending anybody's property or power here. Just saying that what works, works, and what don't, don't. ;)
Do you think the oligarchy is going to step aside with a polite request and say oh gosh I sure am sorry we oppressed you for personal profit, gosh, golly, gee whiz we sure were wrong. How naive are you really?
Are you just TRYING to misunderstand me now?
How about this:
Please name a successful, nearly successful, or even momentarily successful Revolution or even Revolt that was driven in any large way by the kind of "black block" style protest co-optation and vandalism that you originally advocated.
Again, what works, works, what don't, don't.
I thought the Seattle 'riots' were an inspirational, and potentially world shaking occurrence. Of course, the WTO ended up learning from that, and simply responded by beefing up security and surveillance x20 afterward. But it sure seemed to be working at the time it was employed.
I wouldn't mind seeing more of the Spirit of Seattle come out of the American populace. It would lead me to believe we may be waking up to the great power we have to make the walls of power really tremble. This won't come from a block party, but a bloc party? Maybe.
“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” Mao Zedong
'You say you want a revolution'.....but.....'don't want to change the world.....' ????????
Nice post Denruter, and great quote SJRyan, though I can't say I'm ready to become a full-fledged Maoist anytime soon.
"if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow.”
Obviously I mean actual rioting like in the UK recently and actual vandalism as in Seattle '99.
The original point here was that guitarist was calling for black blocker "tactics" and I was challenging the wisdom of that notion.
I get it -- you hate the black bloc. Why put "tacitcs" in quotation marks though? Whether you agree with them or not, it should be obvious that black bloc tactics are indeed tactics. Now, if you want to put quotation marks around the "tactic" of mainstream protesting (i.e., shouting at empty buildings on weekends), that would make sense.
Why not let guitarist answer for themselves?
Seattle was great, but a "revolution"? Hardly!
We need a LOT more of that spirit to make a revolution.
AND the black blockers didn't help the case in Seattle, it is the ur-example of how they RUIN things.
Well, there's more than anecdotal evidence that the Seattle police were themselves playing the part of some of the 'black bloc-ers'. So in this regard, I have to say I agree with you, matti. The fact that anonymous activists and true anarchists can easily be substituted/mimicked by fake 'law-enforcement' goons makes this tactic easily taken advantage of. We see this take place regularly during what should have been peaceful protest actions. Suddenly a 'black bloc' contingency arrives, then all hell breaks loose, and the cops crush everybody.
No doubt, it is a tactic that invites rampant abuses. However, as the Mao quote posted above accurately reflects, revolution aint no kumbaya revival.
And no one is saying it is!
Police et al infiltration is one reason the "smash the place" kids should be avoided. Another is the fact that many genuine people are angry enough that they will follow the provacateur without thinking carefully about it.
Intentional "smash the place" tactics have never brought about a real revolution is my contention. Which is totally different from the examples Denruter cited BTW.
Mao had in mind something a BIT more thought out than guitarists original post and every black "bloc-er" action that I have ever witnessed or heard of.
Castro won with nicey, nice candle light vigils didn't he? Fail on the facts Matti!
Actually labor protests in the 19th century were regularly FAR more actually violent than the black block and brought the goods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877
The violence in that strike started with pre-emptive attacks on the militias which had been sent to put the strike down IIRC. And the violence was mostly between militias and strikers/supporters. I don't believe storefronts of people vaguely allied with the Railroads were targeted for vandalism.
The comparison to black blocker style "co-opt a peaceful action to smash stuff" is spurious.
AND that wasn't a Revolution. Even as a Revolt it was specific not general.
Please remember that I AM NOT saying that Revolutions and violence don't go together. What I am saying is that the sort of tactics you previously espoused never work and are always mistaken.
Wouldn't it be easier to just own up that your enthusiasm got the better of your reason for a moment?
How would we fit such tactics at one or more actions into an actual STRATEGY for achieving our Revolution, for example?
I mean, just because it worked for the Nazis doesn't mean it will work for decent people. ;)
Look I prefer non violence, but non violence that involves lock downs and physically blocking the oligarchs from working. These silly symbolic candlelight vigils have to end. If these people are serious and there for the long haul and locking down during the week, then nothing would please me more than having been wrong above.
The strategy is to unite EVERYONE against the banks, as everyone hates the banks for good reason. That means nicely liberals working outside your comfort zones and talking to BOTH black blocers, AND sincere Libertarians who hate the U.S. Federal Reserve. This thing is far bigger than the CD readership IF it's sustained and willing to take risks.
Dude, I personally knew several people in the Black Bloc that was running out of Eugene from before Seattle till after the Wars started.
So please don't advise me that I need to get out of some liberal comfort zone that I am not in and talk to people I have spent much time talking to already, okay?
'Specially since I am NOT a liberal!!
Remember that I am NOT posting against the utility of violence per se, but rather about the sort of "violence" that you were calling for earlier.
You are talking in circles, guess what the black bloc did in Seattle? Smashed windows that you are advising against. Guess what that did, forced the media to pay attention, unlike wholly pacifist protests they have learned to ignore. Hint if Dr, King marched on Washington in 2011 he'd be wholly ignored. Differing times, need differing tactics, this is the no leadership, consensus oriented affinity group, flash mob disrupt the system era. 21st century dude, are you ready to rock?
i ♥ BB The CNN take on the UK riots is pretty much accurate. If you think anything less than tiny minority of the people involved were political, anti-capitalist idealists busy 'protesting,' you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Turned out over 75% of those arrested already had criminal convictions for theft, mugging etc. Next time you get mugged, just remember, they're only 'protesting' and don't you go 'bad mouthing' them just like CNN did.
Clap, clap, clap. A black block would pee in their bankster kooaid, I hope one shows up!
Although I agree with the reasons for the protest, I agree with Bloomberg. Plus not only did the Ghandi's followers undergo personal injury, hey went and did something positive: they made salt.
If we look at the current discontent as a rerun of 19th Century Luddism where people got left out of the industrial revolution, we can see different responses. The Luddites in Britain -- headed by a king -- didn't publicly protest but destroyed machine anonymously at night while in Europe, the French -- having overthrown the king --protested publicly to the government and were prepared to take action unless their grievances were both heard and acted upon. A reasonable review of both sides can be found here: www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/55/horn.html
The review ends with this line: "Ned Ludd" did not have a guillotine at his disposal.
Another "So What" moment by the Weekend Warriors. Its Saturday. The Complicit Ones are out on their pleasure craft, on the golf course, or still in bed from partying last night. And guess what – they don't care.
When the place starts to be taken apart, then you'll get their attention.
RV is correct: Arab Spring my ass.
moonpie,..... you are so right.....when the place starts to get taken apart....we'll get their attention.......
Now...... not only should we be protesting the sleezy greedy rich...... but also.....we demand A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM IN WHICH THE CAPITALISTS ARE NOT SCREWING UP THE ENVIRONMENT......... screaming for more CO2 producing jobs, polluting jobs is not the answer to our woes either.......... we need to rethink our whole culture......... we can not keep spewing Sh*t into the air and into the water and on the ground and expect everything to be back to the good ol' days......they are gone and thank goodness.......how do we stop making cars etc ....... the crap they are trying to shove down our throats is just that crap.......just mining the steel and making the car produces too much CO2 .....all of our assumptions about how we live need to change........Let's protest in the name of mother earth......
"demand A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM!"
"screaming for more CO2 producing jobs, polluting jobs is not the answer to our woes"
"all of our assumptions about how we live need to change"
"in the name of mother earth"
~♥~
Did I miss the date of this planned protest? No one will be there if we aren't even told the date.
Oh, I see, it was today?
They say they want radical change. It begs the question; Do they even know what radical means.
And big lol at protesting on a Saturday.
If they locked down on a weekday and actually stopped Wall St. some of the poor wittle babies might actually get arrested AND miss work, and most are too gutless wonder for that.
No! The way you actually stop these assholes is staying there for months, not hours. And yes I have walked the talk living on a mountain doing direct action forest activism in northern California for weeks on end, and locking down and getting arrested. People who are so chickenshit about their chicken feed "jobs" are going to get nothing. Do you think the people camped out in Egypt for a month cared about losing their jobs? NO! The whole point of a real general strike in fact is to stop the economic machinery in its tracks.
Actually, in a REAL "general strike" (or just local strike) alternative means of support are organized so the strikers can get by without their regular jobs and reinstatement to former positions without reprisal is always on the list of demands (if necessary).
This is exactly what happened in Tarhir Square.
This is why the Muslim Brotherhood is always in the forefront of such long-term actions in that country as well. Because they have the organization to pull them off.
I suspect that your "forest activism" -while noble and needed and with goals that we should all support- taught you a lot of bad lessons about how these things work. Bad lessons that you may want to start unlearning.
Just sayin' ;)
Well, thanks for the for the thanks. ;)
But no thanks for the false smear and the smear-because-I-didn't agree with you one time. ;(
I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to find ONE example of me having a "pro-govt regressive stance."!
Too funny!
I'm LEFT of "progressives" my dear "Hero".
"Pro-govt" Anarchist is an oxymoron.
(or it would be if "pro-govt" was a word.)
Thanks for posting this!
Now anyone can see that you are smearing me ENTIRELY because of questions I have about the predominant "The Government Planted Explosives at WTC" theory of all-too-many "truthers".
AND that I ALWAYS put "truther" in quotes, meaning that I am pointedly NOT using it the way you say.
I just don't think what you call the "best evidence" is the actual "best evidence" dude, doesn't make me your enemy (though you seem desperate for it to).
But how are theories on the events of 11 Sept 2001 relevant to this at all?
Even forgetting your constant misrepresentation of my views on them -a misrepresentation neatly demonstrated by actually reading those posts of mine you cited.
Well, sorry to say, but your position about 'truthers' puts you in a bad light imho. I'm no scientific nitwit, and I know that the official story is a Saturday morning cartoon. Real scientific inquiry produces far greater skepticism and a *need* for real answers than you've been willing to demonstrate. You're posts in this thread are worthy of consideration, but you've got some investigating to do when it comes to 9-11.
What -pray tell- is my "position about 'truthers'" exactly?
That I disagree that the predominant alternative theory that many of them espouse is as compelling as they believe?
I HAVE READ THE EVIDENCE you mention. I am just not convinced it explains away the critical causative chain between the plane hitting WTC 2 and the collapse of that building occurring just at that spot and at that angle. To me, your theory must adequately explain this and I have never been presented with an adequate explanation.
If you wanna hit me with one right now, I'll be glad to read it -we've already hijacked the hell out of this thread. ;)
You continue to fault me for things that I haven't done, and it is getting very old.
And BTW, I have been posting here under this same handle for years and years. I really do not need you evaluating whether or not my posts anywhere are "worthy of consideration", thanks.
re: "What -pray tell- is my "position about 'truthers'" exactly?"
For starters, your use/misuse of the term 'truthers'.
re: "You continue to fault me for things that I haven't done, and it is getting very old."
You also have this strange notion that I 'continue to fault' you, and 'it is getting very old." Well, this is the second (count 'em) occasion that you and I have ever interacted. You say my responses are 'getting old'... well that's news to me!
I'll skip any more references to off-topic subjects. Regarding those who aren't willing to do their own research, "I just don't spend that much time on them, to be honest"
So you are not going to hit me with an explanation then?
Could you at least give me a link?
Because I have been researching the events of 11 Sept. 2001 since 11 Sept. 2001 and I have never come across any decent explanation for this inconsistency in the "Government planted explosives at WTC" theory.
Sorry my research didn't lead me to the same conclusions that yours led you to.
Now would you PLEASE cease disparaging me because of that?
You'll notice -and anyone reading this can notice- that I don't treat YOU that way. Why do you treat ME that way?
As to "faulting", well, you faulted me in that thread, and you are doing it again now. So I would say "continue" is apt. And as for "getting old", that's subjective, isn't it? Perhaps what you are doing just gets old to me quickly? ;)
It IS the second time we have interacted though -at least with you named this name. Sorta odd that. As I wrote, I've been a quite regular poster here for YEARS. Bit surprising we haven't interacted before, isn't it?
And what the hell is the problem of writing -IN QUOTES!- "truthers"?!?
What shorthand would you recommend for your group?
You don't get to grab the entire concept of "truth-seeking" for your one cause. And I have an aversion to writing B.S. words like "truther" without distancing myself from the bad English with quotation marks.
I promise to for evermore use the term you suggest if you bother to suggest it (and its sensible).
I'll take Malloy's term 'truth-seeker'. Thanks. I look forward to seeing you use it more often.
PS, do you deny that Marvin Bush was in charge of security of the WTC during the period directly leading up to 9-11? Do you deny the well documented evidence of a 'power down' and of the removal of bomb-detecting canine units during this same time period? Do you deny the motives blatantly spelled out in PNAC treatises? On and on and on and on. Either you lie about doing the research, or you lie about your motives. Sorry, with me, this is an either or. No gray areas.
My apologies to the group for being led off-topic. I'll pick back up on the subject in an appropriate thread.
re: "As to "faulting", well, you faulted me in that thread, and you are doing it again now."
When I really decide to fault you, it will be nothing like you've seen up to now. Consider our interactions 'cheery' and 'amicable' up to this point. I'm hoping they continue that way.