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Can Our Schools Run on Duncan?
When President Barack Obama announced that his choice for Secretary
of Education was Arne Duncan, chief executive of the Chicago Public
Schools, he extolled his basketball buddy as a pragmatic, successful
school reformer. "He's not beholden to any one ideology," Obama said,
adding that Duncan would speak with authority based on "the lessons he's
learned during his years changing our schools from the bottom up."
As a critic on the campaign trail of President George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, Obama implicitly offered Duncan's efforts in Chicago as an alternative model of how his administration would improve American schools, particularly the most troubled.
But so far Duncan and Obama have only modified Bush's education plans, retaining many problematic elements. The administration's hallmark program, Race to the Top (RTTT), encourages states to adopt specified changes in a competition for money they desperately need. But it offers only $4.35 billion in the first two rounds for school systems that spend roughly $580 billion a year, $47 billion of which is federal aid. Yet by emphasizing this program, Duncan is pursuing dubious reforms that are not only likely to fail, but do real harm.
Obama claims that Duncan's reform agenda is based on experience, but some of its key features remain untested-and those that have been tested have not worked well, if at all. Unfortunately, Duncan's approach is rooted in an ideology that threatens America's system of public education.
RTTT gives points to states if they meet specific requirements, doing the opposite of what Duncan says is the Obama administration's objective-being tight on goals, loose on implementation. The policies Duncan urges states to implement in their quest for federal dollars include: expanding charter schools; linking teacher pay to student test scores; enabling districts to dismiss entire staffs of failing schools; weakening teacher tenure; and testing and tracking student performance even more stringently, albeit more comprehensively.
In late July, after a group of civil rights organizations faulted Obama for not proposing and funding an education strategy that aimed to help all students, Obama defended RTTT before the National Urban League as "the single most ambitious, meaningful education reform effort we've attempted in this country in generations."
A dubious record
The track record of similar reform efforts in Chicago and across the nation, however, is too spotty to justify pushing them on every financially desperate school district.
Under pressure from Chicago's school reform movement, in 1988 the state legislature devolved many responsibilities of the central administration to elected local school councils (LSCs) that hired principals and exercised modest budget authority. (I served on the LSC of Kenwood High School, which my children attended, as a parent representative between 1996 and 2000.) The councils worked well in about one-third of schools, satisfactorily in a third and poorly in another third. But in 1995, when the state of Illinois made Chicago's mayor directly responsible for the schools, Mayor Richard M. Daley shifted power back to the central administration. Generally skeptical of government and a believer in the superiority of private business, Daley appointed superintendents-called "CEOs"-who identified with business groups like the Commercial Club, an elite business group that advocated corporate-style school management and a free-market education ideology.
Following a wave of magnet-school creation in the late '90s, in 2001 Daley made Duncan CEO of Chicago schools. Duncan promoted charter schools and a controversial program known as "Renaissance 2010," which involved shutting down poorly performing schools (mostly in black neighborhoods), dismissing all staff (including the lunch ladies), and reopening them, with or without the old student body.
Many of Duncan's initiatives, and those like them, have not succeeded:
- In the most definitive national study to date, Stanford University researchers reported last year that only 17 percent of charter schools outperformed traditional public schools in math, with 37 percent faring worse than public schools and 46 percent measuring up equally. Chicago's charters (without tenure protection for their mostly nonunion teachers) have performed better in math, but no differently in reading, than public schools. Chicago's public magnet schools-where teachers have tenure and a union, but students compete for admission-scored much higher in both math and reading.
- Duncan's much-touted RTTT encouragement of bonus payments to "good" teachers-to spur both teacher development and higher student test scores-had "no significant impact on student achievement or teacher retention" in Chicago, according to Mathematica Policy Research, a leading firm in assessing performance of social programs. (A study of a New York City merit-pay program also showed little effect on student performance.)
- RTTT priorities also reflect Duncan's Renaissance 2010 plan-close schools, then reopen them as small schools or charters-and his "portfolio strategy," the school plan equivalent of an investment portfolio of private and public educational "assets." But studies by SRI International and the Chicago Consortium on School Research (affiliated with the University of Chicago) concluded that Renaissance 2010 schools only occasionally performed better than demographically similar schools and that the portfolio strategy yielded "no dramatic improvements."
- Both Duncan and the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind legislation encouraged increased reliance on standardized tests to measure student performance, thereby pressuring teachers to teach to the test so they and their students would "pass." But strategies imposed on Chicago schools as a consequence for low scores-often against community and union protest-did not produce higher test scores, let alone better schools. Elementary school scores did rise sharply, but mostly because of a change in the test.
- The number of high school students who failed to meet grade-level performance remained between 69 and 73 percent from 2001 to 2008, the year before Duncan left Chicago for Washington. In 2009, the Commercial Club concluded that despite "moderate" elementary school gains, after all of Duncan's policy changes, the city's high schools remained "abysmal" and students were not prepared for success in college or beyond.
There were certainly individual school success stories, some of which do not manifest themselves through improved test scores. Chicago Public Radio's Linda Lutton has reported on the night-and-day difference in atmosphere between a Renaissance 2010 school and one not similarly transformed. Yet the practical results of the policies pushed by Duncan and Bush in the last decade, now put forward in slightly different form by Duncan and Obama, do not merit repetition.
Market-style myopia
Ultimately, the issue is: How well do the students learn. But important ideological issues are at stake as well, such as, what should education achieve?
This question is at the heart of a longstanding battle between business-oriented educators, who want to churn out a ready workforce, and progressive educators, acting in the tradition of John Dewey, who believe schools should nurture well-rounded, independent-minded citizens.
Unfortunately, most Republicans and many Democrats, including some progressives, believe that the problems with American schools can be solved with more market-style policies, competition, financial incentives, charter schools, privatization, standardized testing and weakened teachers' unions.
But the theory that supports treating education as a marketplace is flawed, as is the practice. Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute and others point out that few professionals in the private sector are paid for performance (except in finance, and that should be a cautionary example). And when faced with performance incentives, people typically end up gaming the system. In a 2003 study, economists Steven Levitt of the University of Chicago and Brian Jacob of Harvard found that as high-stakes testing increased, teachers were more likely to cheat, for example, changing student answers, giving students correct answers and teaching from illicitly obtained advance test copies.
The educational systems in the rest of the developed world, which famously outperform U.S. schools, are overwhelmingly public, highly unionized and protected from market-style funding. Even though American suburban schools vary dramatically, many of these schools-with unions and teacher tenure-perform so well that affluent families pick their homes partly on the basis of school quality.
A Chicago Consortium on Schools Research team led by Anthony S. Bryk recently published Organizing Schools for Improvement: Lessons From Chicago, the result of two decades of study. They found that successful schools had five essential pillars of support: educational leadership, parent-community ties, professional capacity, a student-centered learning climate and instructional guidance. The stronger these pillars, the more the schools thrived and test results improved.
Rather than focus on building complex systems that extend beyond the school, market-oriented reformers tend to focus on one factor-teachers. (See story, page 20.) Like most American managers, they see teachers, along with their unions, as a factor of production to be controlled, not as allies and resources for cooperation.
Americans across the political spectrum see education as a major solution to crime, inequality, unemployment and so on. But for decades, researchers have shown that the single most significant determining factor in students' success in school is the socioeconomic status of their parents. (See Roger Bybee's story below.)
That doesn't mean poor students can't learn. But their disadvantages-from untreated toothaches to constant transience of residence and school-can overwhelm even the best school.
What the children in America's failing schools need is direct policy intervention to reduce inequality, to provide broader public services and to connect residents of very poor neighborhoods to jobs that pay a living wage.
What they are getting are Duncan's questionable market-oriented reforms-reforms that often involve assaults on the public sector and organized labor. It's a predictable shame when such nostrums are peddled by Republicans, a tragedy when embraced by Democrats.
David Moberg, a senior editor of In These Times, has been on the staff of the magazine since it began publishing. Before joining In These Times, he completed his work for a Ph.D. in anthropology at the University of Chicago and worked for Newsweek.



71 Comments so far
Show AllSURE CAN RUN ON DUNCAN ,JUST LOOK AT HOW WELL CHICAGOS SCHOOLS ARE DOING??
Americans elect a president from the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state who then hires an education secretary from the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state, and Americans are surprised with the results?
Judging from the choices the US electorate makes, the US education system from K through college has been in bad shape for a long time.
By design my child, by design! It is called "The Dumbing Down of the American People"! Duncan believes in Charter Schools! Charter Schools are businesses run on a Capitalist Model not an Educational Model......Since Private Companies make the tests and will own the schools, Ole', everyone will pass their Math, Reading, and Science Tests.....Critical Thinking gone.......
So, how do you get over 6,000 kids to vounteer to join the Army and lose their lives????? ("They volunteered didn't they?") You outsource 20 million factory jobs since 1997 and then you outsource several more million white collar jobs.....When there are no jobs you either join the military or turn to crime and the kids in Chicago never finished high school because "There was no hope!" and most of them got stuck with substitute teachers or non-qualified teachers in classrooms of 30 to 35 students........So, what is their choice?
Please, I taught for 31 years in a low income district South of Chicago......Five of my ex-students are in jail for murder, several of my ex-students were murdered. Once I had 20 students in a classroom, I no longer had to worry about discipline. I could teach and give my total attention to my students. Yes, they came to school with traumatic stories, but they had a safe place to come and the attention they needed as human beings....
You can not compare the education in New Trier, Illinos and Chicago and the pay scales should be totally reversed.....You try teaching kids with "No Hope" and broken families victimized by an educational system that catered to the wealthy and left behind the poor!
Even Obama rejected the Chicago Public Schools for his children!
"Ultimately, the issue is: How well do the students learn. But important ideological issues are at stake as well, such as, what should education achieve?
This question is at the heart of a longstanding battle between business-oriented educators, who want to churn out a ready workforce, and progressive educators, acting in the tradition of John Dewey, who believe schools should nurture well-rounded, independent-minded citizens."
This is, indeed, the very heart of what in educational policy should be of paramount concern for progressives: the education of CITIZENS, an idea that seems as old-fashioned today's "performance" technocrats as maybe John Dewey himself. "Progressive education" took a bad rap as an ideology of permissiveness rather than discipline in academic work, rather like a "Doctor Spock" for education. But JD's thinking was far more profound than that, and legions of civically UN-educated school products are tragic testiments to generations of neglect and mis-education not only by the schools but by intellectual depradations of a whole culture of mass consumerism. One product of systematic promotion of civic idiocy is being demonstrated graphically now with the utter banality of our political campaigns and the total lack of our voters to act as citizens rather than from mass media manipulation of their "thinking" as they vote.
Another non-teacher telling teachers how to teach. Note: "the 'CEO' of Chicago public schools." Duncan has a business background, not educational.
And please don't bore me with "schools should be run as businesses." Are businesses required to accept any and all raw material offered? Must they make their products with the material that must be accepted? Do they, then, have to spend extra money getting their poorest raw materials up to par before they use it, but are not compensated for that extra cost?
I realize it's not a perfectly apt comparison, but public schools are NOT businesses and a businessman will never, I fear, understand the dynamics of a classroom.
Yep, and points on a test are not the same as dollars earned by a business.
In fact, your comparison is apt. It is what Moberg meant with the comment:" for decades, researchers have shown that the single most significant determining factor in students' success in school is the socioeconomic status of their parents."
education is a modern notion...
a controlling notion...
a tool...as religion, as law...to be used against the oppressed to keep them from rebelling...
an offering so greedily desired and accepted that appearance currently suffices in the absence of substance...
the word education fairly flies around rooms filled with students, yet devoid of learning, as designed...
the populace, captives of property laws and non-violent creeds, sense something amiss, but dare not face the enormous psychological and ecological truths of their existence, so bow down to the lash of school and job and mortgage and sheriff, relieved to be cross-guilted, and product-assuaged, in large, albeit suffering, company...
when the local stores no longer carry food, true education will begin...
or the drones arrive...
Dubet,
I can't agree with you assessment of what education is. It certainly is far more than what you say. And there are those of us (more than you may know about) who do attempt to open our students' minds a little to the extent we can.
Those who realize our mandate a public school teachers do attempt to counteract what you say education is. The question becomes: What is that mandate? And I can tell you that most have no clue as to what it is. It has to be different for every state but in Missouri our mandate according to the state constitution article IX is: Section 1(a). A general diffusion of knowledge and intelligence being essential to the preservation of the rights and liberties of the people, the general assembly shall establish and maintain free public schools for the gratuitous instruction of all persons in this state within ages not in excess of twenty-one years as prescribed by law.
Notice that our main purpose is to diffuse knowledge and intelligence as it is essential to the preservation of rights and liberties. Nothing more, nothing less-certainly not put out little drones for the business world-except that the problem being the last phrase "as prescribed by law". By law we have to say the pledge of allegiance once a week in the public school. I don't as I believe it contradicts my right to free speech and conscience. I sit silently with my head bowed and hands clasped. Students ask what's the deal and I say it's against my beliefs and if they would like to know more to contact me outside of class time and I will explain it. Some have. Most forget about it or just shrug saying "It's that crazy Spanish teacher".
OYE
Hey, Oye! Yes, we have visited this topic before...always aware of exception, I still have to say that our educational systems, as they stand, are not getting the job done...they are working against us, even as fine people try to do the right thing from within...
your Missouri mandate is interesting, in that they use the word 'gratuitous' to describe the education...from webster's online:
Definition of GRATUITOUS
1a : given unearned or without recompense b : not involving a return benefit, compensation, or consideration c : costing nothing : free
2: not called for by the circumstances : unwarranted
'free' would have sufficed, if intended...
peace, oye
Dubet,
Thanks for pointing out that the term "gratuitous" is used instead of free. I'm going to have to incorporate that idea as I continue writing about public education. I'll have to play with that a bit.
Thanks for continuing the discussion,
OYE
The USA education systems are at #18 standing in the world. Aren't we just the greatest country in the world????????????
Want to save education?....fire all of the useless and redundant administrators, cut the salaries of others, and use the money to improve the schools, pay the teachers better, and hire more teachers.
Bfriesen,
Why would we want to "save education"? That implies that it is broken and in dire need. And that is just not the case. Around 85% of parents of public school children are quite happy and rate their school quite favorably.
In the two districts in which I've taught I've not seen "redundant" administrators. Useless and down right mean and nasty administrators-usually the ones with the political power in a district-yes! The fact is that in the business world there is one supervisor for every five employees and in the public education realm that ratio is 1:20. Which is more efficient if we want to use the language of the business world to judge?
And salary wise? Comparable scopes of control to what a public school administrator has versus the business world would net the public school administrator anywhere from double to ten times the amount in the business world. So no the public school administrators are not overpaid--although it seems like some of the bastards/bitches that I've had to deal with are, for their lack of knowledge of many things.
No, bfriesen, you're barking up the wrong tree here.
OYE
Oye,
Thanks for participating in this forum. Your opinion as a teacher is meaningful. I taught for thirty-one years and, after I read certain posts, feel driven to answer them from the point of view of an educator--only to find you have already done a great job! Thanks again.
drosera,
Thanks!! I can say the same for you in reading your posts as only a teacher who has taught for a long time and has critically looked at/been part of supposed reforms can understand the complexities of teaching as you do. Everyone (or at least almost everyone) has been "schooled", unfortunately, many also believe that gives them the background necessary to "critique" public education. Which is okay I guess, except many times the views stated are quite misinformed of the reality of public education. Education is a lot more complex beast than most people realize and many solutions to the so called "problem" of public education are based on a number of rational and logical falsehoods.
Take care,
OYE
Oye, I applaud you for trying to do a good job, but I want to say something about one of the things you wrote:
Around 85% of parents of public school children are quite happy and rate their school quite favorably.
I know several school teachers in several different schools. Each teacher bad-mouths the other schools and claims their school is the best in the state.
Just my experience of listening to school teachers.
Dizi
Teachers bad mouthing other schools and claiming to be the best reeks of insecurity and elitism and, to me, appears to be partly as a result of trying to instill comptetion in learning instead of cooperation. This competitive aspect (of which the NCLB and RTTT are based upon) of education helps to destroy what education should be about--cooperation in learning as we are all social creatures and cannot escape that fact.
OYE
In answering the question and at the risk of seeming rude and unprofessional, in two words:
Fuck no!
In other words, all of this managerial bullshit is tellingly irrelevant.
Apart from order in the classroom (no mean feat in itself), there is only one issue.
Is there even a curriculum in this class?
In fact, there IS only one issue but it has nothing to do with the curriculum. The only issue that is important is: what are the students learning?
Standardized tests do not measure that. A standardized test given today measures what the students remember today. Anyone who can devise ways to get students to learn (not memorize) material will not have to worry about how they do on standardized tests (i.e. if they also know how to take standardized tests).
The problem is that the curriculum often gets in the way of learning.
I used to teach Environmental Science at community collges, and as I did research I came across more and more pollutants in the environment that we know impede the development of cognitive abilities in children: lead, cadmium, petrochemicals, arsenic, a variety of other chemicals...add this to stress, to overworked parents who haven't time for their children...and it becomes time to stand back and realize that you can't just grow up children in a tar barrel and expect them to be ready to learn.
Better, living wage jobs for parents with time off comparable to what the workers in the EU have, decent health care, good food...how do we get a government that makes it possible to give our children a chance, rather than throw them away for the profits of a few?
Keep in mind that in the EU, the Western European nations, they have only a 10% laboring class. Laboring class being those without a high school degree.
Whereas in America, 49% of society is laboring class, and the situation is not changing as 49% of kids in America never finish high school. For a fact, no change from the way it was in the year 1900.
And so, we of the laboring class claim to be slow of thought, you of the educated middleclass claim were lazy or have some mental deficiency.
But whatever it is, a man’s fate in life is set in concrete by the brains passed on to him by dear old dad.
John Ellis, I was going to reply to mdrosera's comment above yours but my comment ties into what you just said, as well. And thank you, well put. Here goes.
Every year I have to point out the effects of poverty to the "superiors" at school. I'm "just a classroom aide". I have to point out that parents that work second and third shift generally aren't available to do the 15 min "required" home reading with their children. The children or their families are denigrated for something beyond their control when the children show up the following morning for school and someone hasn't "signed off" on the record sheet. I'm very proud of the parents not willing to LIE to put up a good front, like some who sign off do. Most of our parents (over 70%) have jobs in agriculture or manufacturing; if they are lucky enough to be employed. They are exhausted PHYSICALLY not just mentally from their jobs. It is all they can do to get dinner on, keep the household chores up and running, before collapsing into the chair or bed. Many of our families have been reduced to one car again (or less) so if parents switch off to watch kids, the other has the car for work. We are a rural district, so those parents aren't going to make PTA meetings. More put downs for parents who "just don't care enough to participate." Every year those of us who have to live it, get the obligatory 4 hour workshop about poverty. We have to take it along with the folks that get 3 times or more our salary and benefits including cadillac healthcare insurance. They pay many thousands of dollars for this cr*p special programming to say, 'oh we've been sensitized to the concerns of disadvantaged students' then promptly forget it under the pressure of NCLB.
When the latest fashion for meeting NCLB criteria is discussed and implemented, they just don't understand why it isn't working. They've been following all the "research based" recommendations and "it just isn't getting us where we need to go" to meet the unrealistic expectations of NCLB. This is usually where I pipe up with the thing I have been saying for seven years. "The only way to "mitigate" the effects of childhood poverty is to ELIMINATE childhood poverty. Then we could be justly proud of the educational achievements of our country." We started getting the poverty workshops three years ago. This year they were hammering all the staff, aides included, about the need to wear formal business attire to set the students expectations higher and to generate more respect for our professionalism. I won't mention much about the fact they should have emphasized this BEFORE we aides signed our contracts in June or before we bought our new appropriate (prior standards) attire for the school year. Continued...
cont'd from above post
No, I will talk about what they had to say about how our dress feeds into the childrens' dreams. See, the childrens' dreams are all wrong. They have their expectations set WAY TOO LOW to generate higher test scores for the schools. The children need to have different dreams. Their dreams just aren't good enough. "If we dress nicer, they'll want to emulate everything about the (upper) middle class life style, like us. And they'll respect us more. That will make our jobs easier."
I asked,"How do we expect them to release the dreams they have: a roof over their head, with the bills paid, enough food, a little good clean fun like a movie out or ice cream out. These are Maslow's basic needs and we all should know from basic education courses that until basic needs are met, higher order thinking is moot. And just so you know, a lot of the students and parents do NOT appreciate dealing with the SUITS. SUITS do not equate professionalism or dignity to them. Persons with these backgrounds use "the SUITS" like others call the police "PIGS". I'm thinking it might actually antagonize some parents who are already on our side."
They said "Good question.(new code for sit down and shut up now, here comes the party line) It will build slowly and instead of trying to reach them by "stooping" to their level, we will be lifting everybody up."
ARRRRGGGHGHHGH. Does anyone remember "our little brown brothers" from history class? It was like living that all over again. I will be wearing what I bought from St. Vincent de Paul and Goodwill. It will be clean, decent, fashionable, modest and in good repair. It will not always be either 1)dress slacks, dress shoes and blouse or 2) a dress with dress shoes. I work 4K(sit on the floor)-12th grade( special needs including flight risk kids; catch them in high heels with bad ankles, sure). I will expect and give respect like always and I will continue to get assigned the remedial kids; intervention students that never have to go back once I'm through with them. Why do I succeed where the degree people don't? Because I teach the children to accept themselves and their families unconditionally and then because it is to the child's advantage, to work persistently to overcome any of the obstacles that child encounters and that I will be there to help them to do that, even after they are no longer assigned to me. I am there for them, as is.
The part that gets me is I work with some really good teachers, good PEOPLE. But they lose their nerve or heads or spirits or something and I don't think they understand just how selfish that kind of thinking is. It is completely unconscious and THAT disturbs me. Teaching is supposed to be a conscientious undertaking and these folks are letting NCLB, etc take that away.
Thanks for all these comments. A few of my relatives are NYC public school teachers. One was telling me how she bought her student a BED so the girl, a Mexican immigrant, wouldn't have to sleep on the floor. Another told me how she spends 50 dollars a week of her own money feeding special ed kids, teaching them how to make eggs in class etc. because all they have had for breakfast is a Mountain Dew. And these are the very teachers who now will be solely judged on the test scores of their students. Good luck to this idiotic country of which I am unfortunately a citizen. I am so sick and tied of American stupidity and inhumanity. The Obama education department wins the prize for superficiality and idiocy. Wake up Duncan and your subordinate moron charter school zealots!!!!
Net minnow,
Boy am I glad I'm not in your district. I don't think I could put up with the BS that they are trying to lay on the staff. Shows just how ignorant or at least how uncritical some (probably most) of your administration is. They'd be riding my ass out on a rail as I wouldn't put up with their so called reforms and policies-and the one about the dress code is one of the worse.
OYe
John,
Would you please let me know where you got the only 49% graduate from high school as the figure is not correct. For some of the poverty districts whether urban or rural (usually not suburban) the rate may be close to that. But overall 75% of the students graduate high school and in most districts the figure is more around 90-95% (and all of these stats are subject to manipulation by the powers that be). But it certainly makes sense that the highest dropout rates are in poverty areas as about the only thing that correlates with school success (if defined by % graduation) is the level of the mother's income/education. So a student born into a poverty situation is more likely than his/her middle class counterpart to drop out.
OYE
SLAVERY -- LET MY LABORING CLASS GO
1% High Society
10% Country Club class
40% Educated Middle-class
49% Laboring class
When High Society has their Ivy League colleges, the Country Club class their elite private schools, and the Educated Middle-class has school teachers all of the Middle-class, why is it my Laboring class must be schooled by our slave drivers?
Fair is fair, and we of the laboring class are fed up, with teachers of the Intelligent Middle-class who are so stuck-up. We detest those who enslave us, and those of the Middle-class surely hate us as they do force police state slavery and starvation wages upon us.
And so what if in all the slum schools, no teacher with a degree was allowed to teach? What if laboring class kids were all taught by laboring class of a like mind teachers? Bingo -- a mass rebellion as my laboring class would no longer be brainwashed by you, and no longer would clean up your garbage, flip your burgers for starvation wages or fight your wars of plunder.
John,
Don't think it is as cut-and-dried as you make it. First, lots of teachers come from working class parents. You should ask around and see for yourself. Second, I agree that the curriculum often doesn't make sense to students who aren't going to college. Practically speaking, though, it is difficult to serve everyone. I taught classes of mixed ability, from all different backgrounds. Who do I teach to? The kid who prefers to go skateboarding in his spare time? The one who loves to read all kinds of books? The kid who wishes he was outside playing football? The girl who just got pregnant and doesn't know what to do? Yeah, I taught more to the kids that cared about school and might possibly go on to college. I admit it. But I would be cheating them if I didn't. And, you know, there are working class kids who sometimes get caught up in your teaching--who get a B or an A--but more important than that--actually care about what you are teaching.
I get the feeling you are expressing feelings that came out of your school experience. I'm sorry education let you down. It isn't always such a failure. And you must have gotten something out of it, since you can write well on the computer. Maybe you will want to return to it some day.
No, one does not need an education, a wide breath of knowledge or an intellectual mind to comprehend what is wrong with society. You just do not enrich yourself upon the misery of another. And it is more then just cut-and-dry, it is absolute.
thank you
"Many of Duncan's initiatives, and those like them, have not succeeded:
In the most definitive national study to date, Stanford University researchers reported last year that only 17 percent of charter schools outperformed traditional public schools in math, with 37 percent faring worse than public schools and 46 percent measuring up equally. Chicago's charters (without tenure protection for their mostly nonunion teachers) have performed better in math, but no differently in reading, than public schools. Chicago's public magnet schools-where teachers have tenure and a union, but students compete for admission-scored much higher in both math and reading."
How does Charter School performance of 46% as good as public schools in math and 17% better, along with equal reading performance show Duncan's initiatives haven't worked?
63% equal to or better in math and equal reading scores is proof of failed policies?
No, it isn't.
As for the magnet schools (for which no comparative percentages are shown), how are they different from normal schools? What makes students want to go there? What is the cost per student at traditional, charter and magnet schools?
I am in favor of teacher's unions and pensions. Teachers are the bedrock of our society. They have never been paid what they are worth. I'd like to see the innovations and involvement that are possible in charter schools along with great benefits for teachers. Simply attacking charter schools is not a good way to advance educational policy.
But you could say it this way: 83% of charter schools either did worse than public schools or only tied them in terms of test scores.
Magnet schools attract students with certain interests or talents. A math-science magnet school. A magnet school devoted to the arts. That sort of thing. Their student bodies are not randomly chosen--students choosing a math-science magnet school likely do better in school than students in ordinary high schools. Charter school students and public school students are backed up by the same amount of money that backs up students in the district (actually, that is only approximately true) I am not sure if students in public magnet schools get more money than students in traditional high schools. That might vary according to district policy. It is true that high schools require more money to run than do elementary schools. I believe almost all magnet schools are high schools, not elementary schools.
The odd thing about charters is that they are not necessarily more innovative than public schools. Many of them offer uniforms, drill, shows of politeness, test-prep activities--but nothing really innovative. Not like John Dewey's school. On the other hand, public schools often have programs for at risk youth, for kids in trouble with the law, for kids that choose, say, a Montessori approach. Innovation can be found both in the public schools and in charter schools. But saying a school is a charter school does not imply it is innovative.
I live in a rural area. Our state grades schools yearly. The only school to consistently rate outstanding in a nearby rural/farm area is a charter school. People who care about their kid's education often try to get them into this school, even if they are out of district. The district the school is in does everything they can to undercut the school because it makes the other schools, most of which are rated as "Needs improvement", look bad in comparison. The charter school does an outstanding job but only gets 80% of the funding that the traditional, lower ranked schools get.
The school has a dedicated board, an outstanding director and great teachers who are creative, enthusiastic professionals. No one is just putting in time, no one is burned out. They care, deeply, about the students. The parents of many of the students are the type that actually make sure the kids are getting their homework done. Some of them put in hundreds of hours of volunteer work for the school each year. They often say the school is a community that is like a big family.
You would think that the district would try to use its only outstanding school as a model for other schools. They don't. They are firmly against charter schools, like most progressives/liberals.
A well rounded citizenry with a life-long love of learning does not come from compulsory and constant testing.
Duncan needs to be in charge the US education system almost as much as my cat does (but Trouble still beats him out, because she's honest about her disdain for human children.)
CHARTER SCHOOLS -- SLUM EDUCATION FOR SLUM KIDS
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“I'd like to see the innovations and involvement
that are possible in charter schools along with
great benefits for teachers.”
LIGHT
Charter schools, government funded corporate owned schools, they are an action by High Society to save billions each year by giving slum kids an education that prepares them for slave labor, namely repetitious drudgery and hard manual labor.
Now as a retired vocational school instructor, may I point out that we of the laboring class find nothing degrading in doing repetitious drudgery or hard manual labor. Actually we slow and careful thinkers love that kind of work and only wish that you fast thinkers would pay a fair wage, especially since we hard labor generate all of society’s wealth.
And we have to chuckle at the cute way you deny us a fair and equal wage, claiming that manual labor is shameful, claiming that we need to study harder and stop being so shameful, when all the shame is on you for being so deceitful.
Thank you John_Ellis,
First for being one of the generation of vocational instructors that taught me, a 99.5 percentile math thinker and 97.5 English test taker; that did not exclude me from your overcrowded classrooms because I was in a different 'track'. That understood I wanted to go from the world of constant theory being crammed on me, to the world of execution. That accepted this "exceptional, academically gifted" student wanted to leave the abstract, for the practical and concrete. That I wanted to enjoy process not just results. Thank you for standing up for all the folks that DON'T want to make a living sitting on their ass all day, that think being cooped up all day to drone about words and numbers is hell.
John Ellis, let's ask the education snobs if they would dare publicly stand up and put down the way the Amish or indigenous peoples want to live, in the way they do the Proletariat. Quick answer: No way. Yet, we are talking much of the same actions, inputs and outcomes. I'm am glad your comments are here. Much of the public have NO IDEA how shaming and put-downing school culture is to huge segments of their 'customer base'. Last time I checked, schools were established to be there for the benefit of the pupils, NOT pupils performing for the benefit of the schools.
Lastly, thank you to you folks that hung in there teaching with VocEd, especially after the PC's came in. That's when budgets for VocEd were slashed then finally eliminated. Not because is was obsolete; last time I checked people still drove cars, got hair cuts and fabricated specialized wood and metal parts, lived in homes that the trades build, etc. No, VocEd was cut because after High School you could be directly employed in the work force without attending college. Hard to sell college if you didn't need it to make a modest, decent living without it. That's my two cents.
John_Ellis said: "And we have to chuckle at the cute way you deny us a fair and equal wage, claiming that manual labor is shameful, claiming that we need to study harder and stop being so shameful, when all the shame is on you for being so deceitful."
John, I am at a loss to understand how my posting prompted your response. Do you think everyone who supports charter schools is anti-labor?
Some people of your educated middleclass have problems in college, but none have any problem getting grades B and above prior to college.
So, this issue is all about k-12 slum students having major problems trying to get a c- average.
And so, this is a fiction issue and a corrupt smokescreen to fool society into thinking there is something shameful about slum kids getting a c- grade education.
Comes now you to have lived such a sheltered life as to have no comprehension of the way High Society has molded our “Christian Empire” since 1776. For being too smart to experience an honest day’s hard manual labor, and to dumb to ever experience anything going on behind closed doors in High Society, about the only knowledge stored in your memory banks is the propaganda found in school textbooks and the fiction in history books, all published by the rich. So like a child born yesterday is your mind, as the great Howard Zinn would say,
“If you don’t know history
it’s as if you were born yesterday.”
SLOW THINKERS -- FAST THINKERS
drosera
“John, it’s not so cut-and-dried as you make it. First,
lots of teachers come from working class parents.”
LIGHT
Divorce court has created ours the most pernicious society the world has ever known, with 95% of laboring class fathers living separate from their minor children, with 95% of laboring class girls running loose after dark and desiring above all things to marry a trophy husband. Such a husband being of your well educated and well to do middleclass.
For 95% of unwanted pregnancies are caused by laboring class girls having sex with middleclass boys. That is why so many laboring class kids end up being intelligent and educated middleclass adults.
Of course that is just the opinion of a 70 year old slow thinker who:
(1) Grew up in the slums of Milwaukee, Minneapolis and LA.
(2) Taught vocational school in two different school districts.
(3) Was the founder and administrator of a k-12 private school with over 100 students.
(4) Was the political action committee chairman who got a law passed in Wisconsin that stopped the state from jailing home school parents.
(5) Was a father who raised six children with intelligence exactly midway between that of their father and their mother.
"Can Our Schools Run on Duncan?"
No.
If it weren't so harmful, "Race to the Top" would be laughable, a scheme of know-nothing jocks and suits with kids in private school who are using parental discontent with overcrowed, unreliably funded and poorly run public education systems to open up a new playing field for educations profiteers and pimps. The prize for our state schools is some chump change.
I will not say much more about what makes good education since others on this thread, and figures such as Diane Ravitch, have done a great job of describing the problems privatization schemes create in terms of helping students develop intellect and strengths.
If "No Child Left Behind" was high fructose corn syrup, "Race to the Top" is Gatorade, a brightly colored and artificial product with a sports theme. Neither of these products build long term intellectual health of children. Quality solutions cost money and require that responsible, knowledgable and selfless people are in charge and are paid in proportion to the importance of their jobs. How come somebody who knows nothing about education and a track record of failure has been put in charge?
Remember, "Race to the Top" implies "Losers to the Bottom". We need a quality stable education system, not another gimmick. Other countries that score better than the US have successful models we should look at for ideas. When it comes to education other countries "Rock Us". "We're Number One" is simply not true.
Joe
jclientelle,
Great line "If "No Child Left Behind" was high fructose corn syrup, "Race to the Top" is Gatorade, a brightly colored and artificial product with a sports theme." I hope you don't mind if I use it.
OYE
Not at all. And thanks.
Joe
I am a retired teacher of 38 years mostly high school math. Despite being easily one of the top 10% in the school in serious efforts to help the students before, during, and after school our system managed to give me raises worth an average of 1/2 per cent the last 4 years I was in that system. I left to teach overseas. The point being that so-called merit pay is , in my experience, based more upon pleasing the administration by doing whatever inane things they desire w/o much regard for true learning.
Much of the nonsense that they based so much upon was test scores which directly led to teaching to the test. That was even suggested by the great leaders we had. Even in math, such objectives devolve to concentration upon the most easily tested parts of calculation. The best parts of math were lost as rote memory dominated on narrow "objectives". As many on this comment section have said true education is screwed.
We have shared a common fate, as I was fired from Minneapolis Technical Institute for modifying the curriculum in an associate degree program I taught called Robotics Technology. My changes would have given the students good knowledge and ability to get a good job troubleshooting complex control systems in manufacturing plants. Instead they replaced me with a teacher who caused all my students to file a lawsuit five years later, because none could qualify for a job in any manufacturing plant.
"He's not beholden to any one ideology,"
That's the damn problem with you, OBAMA. You don't nominate anyone who's dedicated to the people's welfare. Find middle ground with the Republicans who will never deal with you anyway. Ask some real progressives to do the job, not these spineless lackies, not beholden to anyone.
Once they're in office they'll be beholden, to the highest bidder.
They already do...Duncan Donuts
Major media sources primarily blame teachers for poorer and poorer student performance over the years.
I don't believe that teaching colleges are increasingly failing to teach the skills school teachers need. To the contrary I believe over time there has been more data and better studies on teaching techniques that professors can pass on to young aspiring teachers.
Over the years are schools cutting costs and hiring the worst educated (read cheapest) teachers? Could be but wouldn't the improved teacher education counter-balance this effect?
There is a big pink elephant in the room that few people talk about when it comes to blame for poor student school performance.
The pink elephant are the parents.
Over the years there are more and more badly broken up families (e.g. educational opportunities not used in custody decisions) and dysfunctional parents who do not take their responsibilities seriously. This is a well documented trend that should not be swept under the rug.
Parents are more to blame than teachers for failing grades. There I said it!
One governor of California who later became mayor of a city decided to create a military prep school to provide structure and discipline that may be lacking at home. Of course this is a dangerous direction but it shows the severity of the situation.
Question: Why all the blame on the teachers?
Answer 1: So the neo-conservative business men can get federal funding for their private schools.
Answer 2: Parent voters can't deal with the blame on themselves so why would mainstream media report on it?
Why do people and governments seem to blame the teachers, for the poor standing in education?
Isn't it the whole society and doesn't it start with the parents? I think with the death of unions and the loss of so many jobs, that some parents still haven't realized yet that they can't just get by with a high school education and still make a living wage. Apparently it used to be so.
Does that mean that everybody should go to college? No because plumbers make more money than lots of college grads. Jobs have left, Detroit is gone as are many union mill jobs in the Northeast.
Instead of dismantling everything, why not go back to the way things were a long time ago. If a student didn't do well, he repeated the grade. Peer pressure would seem to have more power than all the ideas that business can come up with to make money off of schools, because those ideas seem to be making us poorer and dumber.
Wouldn't PASS/FAIL be more productive than screaming at teachers and bureaucrats? It's not the test score that decides but the work done all year long. That's where the learning comes from anyway, and not from some end of the year stupid test.That does put the responsibility back on the students, and isn't that where it belongs?
If students don't see the value of learning from parents and society, then why would they bother? However, if they KNOW they will be left behind in the same grade to be repeated if THEY fail, then, maybe that is the best answer.
Oh, and if I hear that phrase, "It will hurt their self esteem" one more time, I'm going to throw up. Self esteem is what people get when they fall down BUT then get up again ; it's that weird lesson that sometimes you have to fail to succeed. That's worth a whole lot more than grades and test scores.