T. Boone Pickens says US Firms 'Entitled' to Iraqi Oil
WASHINGTON - Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress on Wednesday that U.S. energy companies are "entitled" to some of Iraq's crude because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq.
Boone, speaking to the newly formed Congressional Natural
Gas Caucus, complained that the Iraqi government has awarded
contracts to foreign companies, particularly Chinese firms, to
develop Iraq's vast reserves while American companies have
mostly been shut out.
"They're opening them (oil fields) up to other companies all over the world ... We're entitled to it," Pickens said of Iraq's oil. "Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
President Barack Obama has pledged to withdraw U.S. troops in Iraq.
"We leave there with the Chinese getting the oil," Pickens said.
Iraq's Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani told a Washington conference on Wednesday that his government was happy with the energy auction it held earlier this year. The auction was the first chance for foreign oil firms to compete for Iraqi oil since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
"We're pleased with scale and participation of the IOC (International Oil Companies) and the transparent and public competition," Shahristani said at a U.S.-Iraq business and investment conference.
BP and the Chinese oil company CNPC were the only firms to win a contract in Iraq's bid round this summer, the first chance for foreign oil firms to compete for Iraqi oil since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Seven other oil and gas fields failed to attract bidders on the terms Iraq offered.
But a consortium headed by Italy's ENI (ENI.MI: Quote, Profile, Research) said last week it signed a deal to develop the giant Zubair field for a remuneration fee of $2 a barrel. At Iraq's oilfield auction in June, the consortium refused to go below $4.40 a barrel.
Two consortiums are still competing for a deal to develop the even larger West Quran oilfield. They are Russia's LUKOIL (LKOH.MM: Quote, Profile, Research) and ConocoPhillips (COP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and another consortium headed by Exxon Mobil (XOM.N: Quote, Profile, Research). (Reporting by Tom Doggett, additional reporting by Simon Webb; editing by Jim Marshall)
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149 Comments so far
Show AllAre you entitled to their women also, T. Boone?
May you also partake of their finest delicacies?
Who am I? How about an illegitimate descendant of Thomas jefferson and Sally Hemming? While we're at it, let''s see as someone of working class background, I'd say I'm entitled to be a gigilo for this worthless jack ass' wife. I'm sure if she tried me she wouldn't want to go back to him.
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This just proves such rich white men need top stop getting their ideas out of Cracker Jack boxes or Rudyard Kipiling's "White Man's Burden" BS, and I say that as a white man.
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T. Boone Pickens mind is twisted.
What he said in the first paragraph is exactly the same as if someone broke into another family's home, did immense damage, killed some of the family, and then.....
The criminal said that he deserved the belongings in that house BECAUSE he had to spend a lot on a gun and other items so that he could break into that house.
TWISTED, HORRID, ROTTEN.
What The Bush Administration did was IMMENSELY criminal.
The World Court needs to round these guys up.
Nothing like Compassionate Christianity!
Ibett
I nominate Boone for President in 2012, at least he admits he is a crook and we invaded Iraq for its oil! Oh, by the way, I believe Roger Ailes would be a great V.P. because he would be a cheerleader for Boone.
No country is 'entitled' to another country's natural resources even though we have tried so hard to steal them. America was never justified to attack Iraqi civilians in the first place. How many Iraqis have been killed by America's military? How many innocent children have suffered and died to satisfy Bush's thirst for their oil?
If there is a just God, America will pay for what Bush has done...
"If there is a just God, America will pay for what Bush has done..."
And Clinton, and GHW Bush, and Reagan, and Carter, and Ford, and Nixon, and Johnson, and Kennedy, and Eisenhower, and Truman, and Franklin Roosevelt, and Hoover, and so on and so forth until we get to George Washington, and then go beyond him.
Predatory Pickens is not a bad example of corporate personhood in human form.
A grandfatherly looking billionaire in a business suit, but always grasping off-camera to devour the world's blood like a crazed vampyre.
Among the Randian set, creatures like Pickens are considered America's noblist social product.
Imagine that. The vampyre as Higher Man.
He (and his fellow oil barons) always believed that the US was "entitled" to steal Iraq's oil. That was why the war happened in the first place.
So if a family lost their loved one in Iraq how much of a % does that family deserve in the Oil they were fighting for?
I thought we were there for freedom and liberty and 9/11!
Wait, the tax payers are giving their lives, their savings, their healthcare, their education, their homes to the wealthiest 1%?!!
A long time ago the French invented a deadly simple tool that swiftly and cleanly put an end to this type of tyranny.
I think we need to get a lot more baskets on hand...
Pickens is merely articulating the standard and honest views of our ruling oil class. Anything "we" take by force, "we" are entitled to the resources thereof. It matters not that the whole Iraq debacle was premised on lies and sheer chicanery. That only makes it more intriguing to Pickens and his sorry ilk. He's a cut to the chase kind of guy. If we are there, legally or not (it matters not a whit), then we're entitled to the spoils. Take the oil by force if the Chinese won't give over. Hell, that's how red-blooded Amerikkkkkkans do things. At least those of Pickens' generation and social class. We're just a bunch of wusses making a big deal out of so-called illegal war, crimes against humanity, all that tired and boring sixties crap. T. Boone knows you have to kick serious ass to make serious bucks.
bligh4
Well, so much for the "we invaded them for their oil and now control it" argument. Now what can we talk about?
It's really really sad that OUR government is controlled as it is. Don't they say a country's government is a mirror of its people? How could 1% get all of us to keep going along with their schemes?
Have we in the past shown "degrees" of what has come to be obvious now that our masters are outed? Were we "degrees" of them all along since the 60's when we weren't rioting to show intolerance of poverty in our country, intolerance of how our military treats other people in their countries? Were we knowing what we were buying? Were we too complacent and wanting just to stay comfortable and live in peace?
Staying comfortable and living in peace are just fine, only it's not possible to securely enjoy it knowing that down the block, people are suffering and starving from lack of their own resources. Why does it seem to "cost" sacrifice from some to give the lucky ones "enough?" Real joy comes from giving and sharing all we have.
There are probably no such thing as "degrees," just the same humanity in different "realities."
These corporate monsters are just other humans too, or entities created by humans by man's "laws." Literature and history demonstrate over and over that often people become the monsters they fear when given the circumstances. We have been warned over and over that yes, we could become such as the Nazi Germans in a parallel situation. Like it or not, it seems that the lessons all point to show us that THEY ARE US. So, nothing would be resolved if we merely scapegoated the few.
This is not about guilt or blaming, it's about healing. For once and for all we could start to look new and embrace what we truly value as human beings and leave aside all else. Also, FORGIVENESS in its true sense, and AT~ONE~MENT in its true meaning, are necessary for humanity to transcend the evil caused by our fearful egos. We could start right this moment.
It's the oil in Texas that only Texans are entitled to. Now the oil in Iraq, the whole country can have....
The information below may appear unrelated to this subject. If you think about it, you will see that it is all of a piece.
Essentially, we all pay the Wall Street tax through inflation so that important people in suits can buy multi-million dollar apartments and dispossess people who work for a living. Makes total sense. This country was founded on rewarding those who can invent powerful lies to convince Congress that nonsensical investment vehicles have absurd monetary value.
The rhetorical end result of all this is that the economy is irrigated with liquidity. However, in reality, the true result is that non-bankers all fall into penury debt slavery and die. The irony about that is, Wall Street is trying to collateralize life insurance policies. So, even as we non-bankers all become homeless and die, hedge fund managers can still legitimize their bonuses to Congress.
Because oligarchs draw incorrect conclusions about human evolution from Dawkins, “The Selfish Gene”, misunderstand mythological self-determinism fables from Ayn Rand, and don’t grok that Adam Smith’s tales about the “Invisible Hand” were allegorical, we all must suffer. And, somehow we believe our angry powerhouse of a cleptocracy is the absolute zenith of human existence. Absolute fucking madness.
Look at this man's body language- the raised eyebrows, the pointed and raised finger, the open arms. This sort of commanding posture causes people to submit and it should be recognized as a form of intimidation.
T. Boone Pickens has alot of balls. After paying to "Swift-Boat Liars" to do & say what they did & said to John Kerry. He doesn't deserve to share the same air as the rest of us.
He'll soon control most of the water in the Ogallala aquifer: http://www.citizen.org/cmep/Water/us/bulksales/texas/
People shouldn't pointlessly post at CD. When something's already been said and a few people seconded the view, then this is enough. Filling CD comments up with MANY repetitions of the same thing, even if differently worded, is NOT good for CD if the providers of it really want to draw donations.
Maybe the people posting the same thing enough others have already posted really do want to drawn downward the number of donations that CD gets.
What has this post contributed to the conversation??????
It doesn't bother me and I doubt it bothers many other people. I find it quite interesting, the various unique ways different people express themselves. By the way, I notice you've made a whole slew of posts on this thread. More power to ya.
Mike Corbeil - are you trying to say:
People shouldn't pointlessly post at CD. When something's already been said and a few people seconded the view, then this is enough. Filling CD comments up with MANY repetitions of the same thing, even if differently worded, is NOT good for CD if the providers of it really want to draw donations.
Maybe the people posting the same thing enough others have already posted really do want to drawn downward the number of donations that CD gets.
Mike,
Please don't be so critical of repetition. Learning theory encourages repetition in a variety of formats so that people will not only learn but retain what they have learned.
If more people are getting the message through repetition, maybe they will take out their checkbooks and cut a check to CD if they are lucky enough to have a job in this depresssion.
who in their right mind would give oil to the enemy?
we got what we deserved here.
And I'm entitled to his bucks because I screwed up and had business dealings with one of his companies.
The Iraq thing started with thieving and will end thus.
But, but, but....we attacked and invaded Iraq because they had weapons of mass detruction. No! Wait...it was because Iraq had ties to Al Qeada. No! Wait....it was for regime change. No! Wait...it was to free the Iraqi people (the ones we didn't kill or maim at least).
Damn, what a let down....it was all about oil! Very noble....and so positively U.S. like. Imagine that!.
.... don't you remember...
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation.... OIL
Parasitical Eletes like Boone exist everywhere, world wide, and have NO allegiance to any country,ethnic group, or religious belief. They hide behind these fronts and definitions to promote the vile doctrine of the New World Order, which is designed to enslave us all.
Meanwhile we do their will by bickering about what is "right" and who should pay for what. It is just a small example of the illusions these parasites have enveloped us in to keep us from seeing what is really going on.
Take heart though, people everywhere are waking up from the slumber of complacency and taking action. The tidal wave has started small and is growing, hopefully in time to sweep away this filth and corruption that is present EVERYWHERE.
This is not just a problem in one or two countries, it is everywhere.
WAKE UP AND SEE THE BIG PICTURE !!!
Billionaire, Boone Pickens, just confirmed the "Entitlement" mentality of the f**king robber barons in this country.
"We're entitled to it," Pickens said of Iraq's oil. "Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
Who the hell is WE, Pickens?....The families of the troops who lost their lives or the oil robber barons and their shareholders?
People like Pickens are pathetic!
Ah, the people of entitlement. They would be first on my list to hang. Who needs em.
T.Boone Pickins is the new "poster boy", replete with red, white,and blue spangled top hat....
The new Uncle Sam.
In the old daze he'd say "Kill a commie for Christ", but
now it's all about the money.
All an apt analogy of what you've allowed your country to become.
Let's draw out the logical implications of what oily dirtbag Pickens said. He stated:
"They're opening them (oil fields) up to other companies all over the world ... We're entitled to it," Pickens said of Iraq's oil. "Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
What is oilbag Pickens telling us with this complaint of his?
1) When oilbag Pickens says 'we' in the first sentence, he is referring to the U.S. oil companies that he feels have somehow been left out of the oil feast.
2) Therefore, according to oilbag Pickens, it's the U.S. oil companies that are entitled to the Iraqi oil, not, say, the U.S. soldiers and their families.
3) That in turn implies and thereby acknowledges that the soldiers fought for the oil that the oil companies and their oilbags feel entitled to. To put it very bluntly, the soldiers are the hands of the oil companies, although they are hired by the government and paid by our taxes.
4) But who sent the soldiers to invade and occupy Iraq? The government, of course.
5) Therefore, the government serves the oil companies.
6) Therefore, in waging war on Iraq, the U.S. government did at least wage war for its oil, and probably for some other stuff as well.
7) That the government serves the oil companies is confirmed by the content of the second sentence in the quotation from oilbag Pickens.
Indeed, in the second sentence, oilbag Pickens uses 'we' again, but now he is talking about the United States or, say, its government.
Remarkable, isn't it, that sliding from the first sentence to the second one, from the oil companies to the United States? Oilbag Pickens speaks for both: he feels entitled to speak for the government and the country. I suppose when you're an oilbag, you're in an even better position than our elected officials, since you can speak for both the nation as a whole and its government.
Where does that sense of entitlement come from, or, better, what does it point to, what does it indicate, if not that the government serves the interests of the corporations?
How do'ya like them apples?
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This is the second day in a row that dissident views about the workings of U.S. Empire are being confirmed by news on this site. Yesterday, it was the issue of U.S. government orchestrated conspiracies.
Yep. See "The tyranny of Oil" by Antonia Juhasz. It's all there for the last 120 years or so.
Jul 17, 2003
CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS
Commerce & State Department Reports to Task Force Detail Oilfield & Gas Projects, Contracts & Exploration
Saudi Arabian & UAE Oil Facilities Profiled As Well
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_iraqi-oilfield-pr.shtml
T. Boone Pickens et al., did 9/11.
When I heard Mr. Picken's comment I could barely contain my anger and disgust. There are no words to describe this level of arrogance and disrespect for human life.
It's right out of American History during the 1890s. At least one president and several congressmen referred to it as the Law of Conquest. And here we thought America had progressed in the last 110 years.
My, Uncle Sam, what big teeth you have....
How's that wind farm in Texas coming along, Mr. Pickens?
You know, the one you promised would bring jobs and cheap energy to the nation?
Once a rich idiot, always a rich idiot.
How do you THINK it's coming along?
Pickens himself is the prototype!
· Yr Obd't Servant
I think I'm entitled to T.Boon Pickens bank account....and also his wife's account........Bab. Boon Pickens
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Come to think of it, this article's headline is remarkably similar to one I once saw on "The Flintstones"-- or was it "Dinosaurs"?:
T. Rex says Tyrannosaurs 'Entitled' to Devour All Other Creatures
· Yr Obd't Servant
Oh yeah! I remember this law. One can break into someones home, rape and murder them and then claim their house since you spent gas money getting there. Common law or something isn't it?
Maybe Boone hasn't noticed that the Chinese add value to materials and run a huge trade surplus. The folks who do that in the US are mostly out of work, and the rest of us sell stuff, push papers, or work in health care, government... Boone's corporate buddies sent manufacturing abroad in search of almost zero cost labor and lack of regulation.
We can't afford Iraq's oil any more, and soon we will no longer be able to afford China's goods. Good for the environment!
Thank you for the silver lining around the cloud. :)
Mr. Pickens is something of an arrogant fool! He doesn't remember or more likely totally ignores the fact that the US unilaterally and illegally invaded and destroyed Iraq, killed its people and eradicated its infrastructure. Iraq owes nothing to the US except a huge blowback.
Dear Mr. Pickens, Pull your head out of your ass. If you could hear that stupid remark clearly you might understand the basics.. Your 'bought and paid for' psychopaths in Washington invaded Iraq at your behest. Many of our children were killed there to put a buck in your pocket and to give your psychopaths an opportunity to murder and destroy without consequences to them or to you. You set those dogs loose - you will have to pay for the damage they have done.
"Entitled", how absurd you are.
Mr. Pickens is an 'icon' to many of the members of the Plutocratic Oligarchy. He has spent billions over the years 'putting' his 'candidates into office'---and he has no intentions of letting go now. The fact that he can find an audience is another reminder that the 'world' is a sick place indeed.
Fortunately, he is old, and even his wealth cannot extend a life that has done little for others except those members of the 'PO' who see him as a 'prophet'----
The sooner his kind 'die off'----(and in the meantime are prevented from perpetuating their own kind)---the better off the planet will be.
But to quote this member of the 'PO', (that my people refer to as "Okie White Trash with a Bath"--)"Heck" those '5000 dead and 65,000' injured and trillion dollars in debt----are just exactly what the USA deserves; an illegal war of aggression for no other reason than 'they can do it'----deserves all of the losses it can incur.
Now the rest of the 'Justice' will follow when the Bush administration members are tried for War Crimes in the International Courts-----If the USA does not follow through with prosecuting those crimes; they can 'kiss it all good by'; the 'world' will see to that.
If the USA were another nation the USA would invade the USA to keep the world safe; and they would be justified."
Sounds a lot like Marie's statement: " let them eat cake". I think Mr. Pickens should be stripped of all his wealth and it should be divided up between the 5000 soldiers families, who are obviously irrelevant to him and the who knows how many, Iraqi families and then send him to Afghanistan, where he can fight along side one of my wifes nephews where he might learn a little respect for these misguided but nevertheless brave soldiers who are going through hell.
It isn't similar to Marie-Antoinette's statement at all. Simply because, historically there is little evidence, nay, there is no evidence that Marie-Antoinette said such a thing. Furthermore, it conflicts significantly with some of the other things she said about the poor and her charity work.
It was propaganda from the anti-Royalists, the Revolutionalists, especially after the Revolution, after the Terror, to be used to justify the executions, including of Marie-Antoinette.
I think Mr. Pickens should be stripped, PERIOD.
Then gently led to an anthill, staked down, and coated with honey.
And left alone to think about what he's done and said.
· Yr Obd't Servant
"Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress on Wednesday that U.S. energy companies are "entitled" to some of Iraq's crude because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq."
Nothing like circular logic. I wonder if this jerk realizes that, but for the energy companies, the US would have probably never gone into Iraq in the first place and nobody, American or Iraqi, would have lost their lives to enless war mongering and imperial expansionism. Unless, of course, the Boner here happens to think that the US went into Iraq for its real estate.
"Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
How does he think the Iraqis feel? They've lost 1.3 million of their innocent citizens and who knows how many more millions injured and how many gazillions in destruction. And all that for what, again? Oh, yeah...freedom, duh! I forgot about that.
There's nothing like American self-righteouness and sense of entitlement except, of course, for that of the Israelis.
What a sad victory for all who have been ostacized for pushing the "It's about the OIL, stupid' slogan
What an ass-hole. What do the 1,000,000 or so families of Iraqis killed get. And Americans wonder why the world has nothing but contempt for such a stupid, but oh so exceptional, land of ass-holes. I don't believe in evil but if I did the USA would be the epitome of it. Please just go away Americans and leave us in the rest of the world to enjoy our lives and never have to think that such an abomination as the USA ever existed. Christ.
My goodness, pangloss, you sound fed up. Join the crowd.
So let me get this straight:
In 2001 we we were "entitled" to Iraqi oil because of the bogus claim that Iraqis were responsible for 911 and we had to go in there and beat them up.
Now, in 2009 we are still "entitled" to Iraqi oil "because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq."
Does anyone else see a little Catch-22 going on here? Poor Iraqis - no matter what they do or don't do, the U.S. still gets to go in and take their oil. Also their lives, infrastructure, etc.
That's the official U.S. position - then and now. T. Boone Pickens was simply the first one with the unmitigated gall to say it out loud.
So this US financier believes in a world where everyone gets their just entitlement?
Iraq is entitled to payouts of trillions of dollars of war reparations from the US and allies.
For devestation against its people and nation, on the basis of a set of lies fully manufactured by the US government, The non-existent weapons of mass destruction. The non-existent atomic weapons development and Uranium shipments. The consequent pre-emptive invasion. The destruction of Iraqi infrastructure and institutions. The fracturing of Iraqi society. The poisoning of the nations sands and soils with Uranium dust. The displacement of millions of people.
The deaths of a million people.
Oh yes Mr Boone Pickens, you fraudulent oil war financier, I hope that one day you too will get your just entitlement.
Let's look at it from the other way around. Those soldiers died so Tee Boone could have his fucking oil!
Well of course they did. Has there ever been any doubt?
This article makes me want to hate Americans. I can only imagine what it makes families of the dead feel like. T. Boone Pickens if a fucking pig.
He sure is.
hell, we invaded yer country for no reason at-all; we kilt the hell outa whole bunch o' ya; injured hunnerds o' thousands of ya; we bombed yer infrastructure back ta the stone age and this is the thanks we get? not even a drop of yer stinkin' oil? what's it take to git some gratitude aroun' here?
hell next time we're thinkin' about invadin', we're gonna be lookin' for some gratitude up front! a little pre-emptive gratitude, if ya know what i mean.
hear that, eye-ran?
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T Boone: shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up!
LOL!
Mr. Pickens' remarks about our entitlement to Iraqi oil go to the heart of America's national sense of entitlement to everything it wants, wherever in the world it is. Presidents and presidential candidates have told us repeatedly that our "way of life" is non-negotiable. We cheer every time we hear that statement. If our resource-wasteful way of life is non-negotiable, then the logical conclusion must be that it really is "our" oil that lies under Iraq's sands.
And what are the 1500000 dead innocent Iraqis 'entitled' to?
Repairs and reparations, War Crimes trials perhaps?
We attacked a helpless country, murdered untold thousands of helpless civilians, and now we're told that not only can we not steal their oil, but China will get it instead of our corporations. It seems that our war crimes were committed for nothing.
Sometimes, life is sweet.
And let us not forget that Iran loves George, Dick and all, as the US battles against their enemies for them.
If, for the sake of argument, we "roll" with Pickens's absurd assumption, then divide up the oil revenue amongst the troops. I bet he won't like that solution either.
65,000 injured? And Pickens must be counting only the easier to see injuries, must have missed this Rand report:
One In Five Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Suffer from PTSD or Major Depression
"Nearly 20 percent of military service members who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan — 300,000 in all — report symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder or major depression, yet only slightly more than half have sought treatment, according to a new RAND Corporation study.
In addition, researchers found about 19 percent of returning service members report that they experienced a possible traumatic brain injury while deployed, with 7 percent reporting both a probable brain injury and current PTSD or major depression."
Go to the Youtube channel for talkingsticktv and check for videos with Dahr Jamail. There are around three, maybe four now, since July, I believe. Among much more that he says, he provides good information on the situation of U.S. veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with regards to PTSD, dissent (always on the increase for numbers dissenting, and welcome numbers they are), etcetera. I think he said that there are around 250,000 of these veterans suffering from PTSD and other mental damage due to serving in these wars. I posted links for the videos at CD over the past couple of weeks. Doing an Advanced Google search of CD for "talkingsticktv" (case insenstively) might or should work.
And to boot, they're being denied medical care and benefits. That's what I call gratitude!
"Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
We? We? Who's this "we"? Pickens didn't lose a dime, a penny. We were had but not a shyster like Pickens.
"entitled" is a strange word for an American to use.
their constitution forbids the acceptance of titles.
pickens must mean Americans have a right to this oil.
Americans are big on self-proclaimed rights.
At Nuremberg, the chief American prosecutor-Associate Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson laid down that the planning, conspiracy, initiating, and waging a war of aggression was the SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIME.
Germany wanted "living space" and Japan wanted the natural resources of their neighbors too. Those were WAR CRIMES.
The appropriate measure of justice meted out to the perpetrators was the gallows or long, stiff prison sentences.
It would be a travesty of justice to allow the perpetrators of the Iraq debacle to get away with THEIR SUPREME INTERNATIONAL CRIMES.
i.e. HANG THE BASTARDS!
NUREMBERG II 2009
"The appropriate measure of justice meted out to the perpetrators was the gallows or long, stiff prison sentences."
Not all of the perpetrators of the many war crimes during the WWII era, and Japan wasn't really part of this war, having been busy with its own wars in southeast Asia. And it's the act of war committed against Japan that caused the country's leaders to order the strikes on the U.S. at Pearl Harbor and, I believe for the other locations, Indian Ocean. The U.S. applied sanctions against Japan so it couldn't import oil and this was a war crime, act of war.
"Not all of the perpetrators of the many war crimes during the WWII era, and Japan wasn't really part of this war, having been busy with its own wars in southeast Asia. "
And what was Japan doing in its own wars in SE Asia? War crimes.
"And it's the act of war committed against Japan that caused the country's leaders to order the strikes on the U.S. at Pearl Harbor and, I believe for the other locations, Indian Ocean. The U.S. applied sanctions against Japan so it couldn't import oil and this was a war crime, act of war."
So how does the US committing war crimes against Japan, justify Japan's invasion of much of East Asia, along with engaging in torture in those countries it invaded?
If the US was committing war crimes against Japan, Japan should have invaded the US, not try to conquer all of East Asia.
And that's besides the many and severe war crimes committed by the U.S. and England or Britain in East Germany, and maybe beyond it. The Nazis, some officers, got their just deserves at Nuremberg, but it was also a victors' justice for process or prosecution, for the criminal U.S. and British elites got away as if innocent, noble, etcetera. And the U.S. "imported" enough of the Nazi scientists and, perhaps anyway, doctors, instead of having them prosecuted, as they probably should've been; for profit, of course and as always with the U.S.
Line Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al at the gallows. Let us not forget Obama. Hang 'em high.
Pickens sounds like the guy that finished last in a foot race. He gave the lame excuse that everyone else cheated because they ran faster than he.
ppeters: Yeah that reminds me of a scene in THE STING, where Paul Newman beats a poker player who is cheating at cards because he out cheated him and the guys bodyguard says: " why didn't you accuse him of cheating" and he answers back" what was I suppose to do accuse him of cheating better than me"!
Royce
Let be a lesson, kiddies! Crime and imperialism do NOT pay!
Well, not all the time.
Another American with entitlement problems. I don't think the majority of the Iraqis think much of the way they've been liberated with violence being considered at an 'acceptable' level, so maybe it's just a bit too much to expect any kind of gratitude. That oil is theirs, so it's up to them to decide who to sell it to.
Vile. Vile. Vile.
As karlof1 pointed out, it is the US that owes a great part of it's GDP for the few years as reparations to Iraq.
And We were mocked for our "no blood for oil" banners in 2003.
Let's do it poeple. Surely someone know's Picken's address, daily routine, favorite restaurants, and public-accessable appearances. Shoes, spit, dead skunks, bags of shit, it's all fine with me.
A well placed bullet in the forehead would be fine with me. Unfortunately you would have to get a neo-con to do it because liberals can't shoot, for some reason.
I'm not a liberal. like Berkmann and co-conspirator Emma Goldman, I am an anarcho-syndicalist.
Good post, but for the last paragraph...
Please, such talk or action is not constructive and it will not 'win points.'
We know we were right all along, yet perhaps this 'turn of events' will bring a teachable moment for some who did not see the big picture.
"Teachable moment"???
When the US left throws all such new-age superstition and mumbo-jimbo in the trash can, maybe we can make some progress.
OK, let me write what I really wanted to - someone needs to kill the bastard. When Alex Berkman pumped bullets into Henry clay Frick - then stabbed him with a poisoned knife (but unfortunately the capitalist monster wouldn't die) it galvanized the workers in the mines and mills up and down the Mon valley for miles.
Maybe ought not throw in the trash can what has never been used.
Superstitution? And your ideas will serve what?
And, how has all worked out for the miners and workers in the mills these days? And also how's life since all that taxation without representation was done away with?
What are you, Robespierre and the Reign of Terror? Big deal.
"And, how has all worked out for the miners and workers in the mills these days?"
By 1980 an experienced UMWA Miner made at least $30.00 per hour. A USWA Steelworker made even more. The brave anti-capitalist fighters of 1877 and 1890-92 cannot be blamed for what happened since 1980.
And who are you, Mother Teresa?
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I don't see anything about shoot 'em up cowboys here.
You know what I think? I think people such as you who post the way you do here are plants to make this community look violent and deranged.