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TechnoratiAuthor Naomi Klein Calls for Boycott of Israel
BILIN , West Bank - Bestselling author Naomi Klein on Friday took her call for a boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank village of Bilin, where she witnessed Israeli forces clashing with protesters.
![[Bestselling Canadian author Naomi Klein on Friday took her call for a boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank village of Bilin, where she witnessed Israeli forces clashing with protesters. 'Boycott is a tactic . . . we're trying to create a dynamic which was the dynamic that ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa,' she said. (Photograph by: John Kenney, National Post)]](http://www.commondreams.org/files/article_images/klein-2.jpg "klein-2.jpg")
"It's a boycott of Israeli institutions, it's a boycott of the Israeli economy," the Canadian writer told journalists as she joined a weekly demonstration against Israel's controversial separation wall.
"Boycott is a tactic . . . we're trying to create a dynamic which was the dynamic that ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa," said Klein, the author of "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism."
"It's an extraordinarily important part of Israel's identity to be able to have the illusion of Western normalcy," the Canadian writer and activist said.
"When that is threatened, when the rock concerts don't come, when the symphonies don't come, when a film you really want to see doesn't play at the Jerusalem film festival . . . then it starts to threaten the very idea of what the Israeli state is."
She briefly joined about 200 villagers and foreign activists protesting the barrier which Israel says it needs to prevent attacks, but which Palestinians say aims at grabbing their land and undermining the viability of their promised state.
She then watched from a safe distance as the protesters reached the fence, where Israeli forces fired teargas and some youths responded by throwing stones at the army.
"This apartheid, this is absolutely a system of segregation," Klein said adding that Israeli troops would never crack down as violently against Jewish protesters.
She pointed out that her visit coincided with court hearings in Quebec in a case where the villagers of Bilin are suing two Canadian companies, accusing them of illegally building and selling homes to Israelis on land that belongs to the village.
The plaintiffs claim that by building in the Jewish settlement of Modiin Illit, near Bilin, Green Park International and Green Mount International are in violation of international laws that prohibit an occupying power from transferring some of its population to the lands it occupies.
"I'm hoping and praying that Canadian courts will bring some justice to the people of Bilin," Klein said.
Her visit was also part of a promotional tour in Israel and the West Bank for "The Shock Doctrine" which has recently been translated into Hebrew and Arabic. Klein said she would get no royalties from sales of the Hebrew version and that the proceeds would go instead to an activist group.
254 Comments so far
Show AllThe Israeli government commits crimes worthy of World Court Trials against the Palestinians (denial of work, livelihood, medical treatment, and land). Much of the racist separation of the Palestinians (the wall, military checkpoints, etc.) hearken to the tactics of South Africa's apartheid government; many of the recent measures (loyalty pledges) seem distinctly totalitarian, like something out of Nazi Germany or the USSR.
The world community, not just the Arab League, have long criticized such actions (just look at all the UNSC motions blocked by the USA). The recent war against the Palestinians and the subsequent denial of aid is the last straw. Hence, these boycotts.
The argument(s) against?
In the name of security...no. The only way to permanently reduce attacks is to make Palestinians equal partners in ruling the land. Anything else is like a state of siege inside a granary while facing a starving mob; when the food/bullets (or will) are exhausted, no matter how thick the walls or how many the guns, the defenders must surrender. The longer such a state goes on, the deeper both sides sink into the trap of intellectual inertia, fear, and hatred as supplies dwindle. Armed resistance will go away when the (Palestinian) population currently supporting them feel they no longer need such men to help them make demands or improve lives.
Such a radical solution is the only real peace. Anything else will result in more genocide and violence, hardly the civilized, democratic way to treat anyone. Arguably, the ruling group of Israelis would have to cede control (naturally difficult given class structures--this is the real issue); to the masses long indoctrinated in right-wing, nationalist/religious Zionism (lent global credibility by the Nazi crimes against Jews), this seems a violation of national "uniqueness" and entitlement to land. Unfortunately, every colonial/imperial power always argues this and none have survived history. Never do such powers last without brutal elimination of the "natives" and their supporters, which in Israel's case, is impossible. Yet in America, as reactionary as we are, a good number of Americans don't associate rabid patriotism with America; the anti-imperialists started this discussion a century ago. Israel (and Jews at large) needs a similar discussion on how Likud and similar parties hijack the meaning of being a Jew, or people who don't support genocides, but don't speak up will have words planted in their mouths by the manipulators who do.
A sad irony...for the bullied to be the bully.
For those Jews arguing against this, understand that the true offender is a government you hold dear, not you or your religion. Undoubtedly, this is an act of secular (or even religious) apostasy, and reaction is much easier than reflection, but a self-weaning from delusion is still less painful than one forced by reality.
One could argue I'm dismissing entrenched hatreds and power too lightly. I am, but I feel debating endlessly about governmental harm or insults to each other does nothing without a goal. This boycott is overdue, but what's the next step?
Lucitanian (June 28th, 2009 5:45 am),
{Israel cannot state it has the "right to exist" based on a UN resolution and then blatantly ignore the UN Charter, the Geneva Conventions, more than 80 subsequent resolutions, not including ones defeated in the UNSC only by US veto intervention, and the bulk of international human rights.
Israel cannot be made an exception. Its actions have shown it to be a rouge, terrorist, racist, state sponsored by the USA.}
excellent points...
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i would only add there are complicated reasons why many (including zionists in israel and america) are incapable of seeing the truth...
http://www.torah.org/features/holydays/passover/menken.html.
"In the Chapters of the Fathers 428, Rabbi Elazar HaKappar says "jealousy, lust and honor remove a person from the world." What does this mean? One explanation is that these things color a person's vision. Instead of dealing with the "real world," he or she instead sees the world from a distorted perspective. And, of course, this unrealistic perspective limits the person, preventing him or her from doing things which otherwise would be entirely possible and appropriate. The victim is shackled, regardless of his or her self-perception."
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ap, as a go player i admire the ruthlessness of your strategy.....
{....ap June 28th, 2009 6:17 pm
I will continue to respond to your posts, as I please or see fit or feel like (or not), since I wish to point out how filled your posts are with baseless attacks and logical fallacies.
I couldn't care less if you ignore me.
I will report this post you've just made, however, for name-calling. Another trade-mark of trolls.
(See? That's called, backing up what one says with evidence.)....}
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"Patience is not passive; on the contrary, it is active; it is concentrated strength." - Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
...peace...
I like a good scrap myself every once in a while, but you people are having waaaaay too much fun.
I too would have interest in CD's official reply to this, and also some clarification of this frequent automated Spam rejection. which has no logic.
This site is getting too wierd, with trolls and barriers.
Is it time to move on?
Translation: Oh it was fun when no one from the left disagreed with your fashionable bile.
ap,
can you name 3 things that you admire about arabs or their culture ?
shalom
...peace...
Have you answered the five questions I posed you, directly and honestly?
still on the beach ? does your rabbi know that you intentionally misrepresent yourself ?
http://www.torah.org/features/holydays/passover/menken.html.
"In the Chapters of the Fathers 428, Rabbi Elazar HaKappar says "jealousy, lust and honor remove a person from the world." What does this mean? One explanation is that these things color a person's vision. Instead of dealing with the "real world," he or she instead sees the world from a distorted perspective. And, of course, this unrealistic perspective limits the person, preventing him or her from doing things which otherwise would be entirely possible and appropriate. The victim is shackled, regardless of his or her self-perception."
shalom
...peace...
"does your rabbi know that you intentionally misrepresent yourself ?"
I just want to thank you for demonstrating beyond any doubt (for anyone having any remaining doubt) that you are an unequivocal anti-Semite.
Free speech is such a blessing because it flushes what people think, out in the open.
So I feel that my mission here, spending so much time talking to a nincompoop like yourself, has been accomplished.
ap,
you ignored the question, does he (or she) ?
can you name 3 things that you admire about arabs or their culture ?
obviously, you can't.....you're incapable of feeling compassion for other people.
the racial purity laws in israel are a disgrace to all people on this earth.
shalom
...peace...
"you ignored the question, does he (or she) ?"
I did not ignore your question, and you know that. Though you are ignoring mine.
"can you name 3 things that you admire about arabs or their culture ?
obviously, you can't.....you're incapable of feeling compassion for other people."
Correction: you WISH that I couldn't. Because it fits your hateful stereotyping and fantasies about others. So you can keep imagining.
If you SINCERELY WANTED an answer, in the pure spirit of inquiry, rather than nastiness (which is apparently, your forte), you would answer the five questions I posed you. Honestly and directly. Whereupon, you know very well that I said that I would name 3 things, just for you.
It's pretty easy.
Has nothing to do with my feelings about Arabs, one way or the other. You know that too. Just my feelings about YOU and what YOU'RE ABOUT.
"Has nothing to do with my feelings about Arabs, one way or the other. You know that too. Just my feelings about YOU and what YOU'RE ABOUT."
you are exhibiting racist tendencies b/c you fail to acknowledge any virtue or beauty in arab culture (not one aspect of arab culture that you can admire or share ?), as i previously noted my admiration for several different aspects of jewish culture (especially chagall...).
but this isn't about you or me... millions of palestinians are suffering as we speak.... isn't there anything you appreciate about the palestinians ?
of course it's difficult to answer your 5 questions when you adamantly suppress other's voices.
"And god said to Moshe, 'go to Pharoah, and say to him, "thus says god 'LET MY PEOPLE GO...'"'" [Exodus 7:26]
boycott all israeli products until they are willing to live in peace w/ the palestinans who were living on the land prior to 1948. racial purity laws are a disgrace to all people, regardless of where they live.
...peace...
Lucitanian June 28th, 2009 7:36 pm,
i want to thank you for the time you invested on this thread and for reminding all of us of the sad complicity of the zionists in pre-war germany collaborating w/ the nazi's.
i just cut and past this entire thread and sent a copy of it to jewish voices for peace and to naomi klein. i would encourage other readers to do the same.
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
{email: info-at-jewishvoiceforpeace.org}
http://www.naomiklein.org/main
{-- For all general questions or inquiries related to Naomi's books/articles/websites, please email Naomi's research assistant, Debra Levy at debra@naomiklein.org.}
...peace...
I want to thank both of you too. You both set fine, needed examples of the kind of people behind some of these causes. Some are too clever to reveal their real sentiments. But both of you are so ... transparently thus.
...salaam....
i didn't realize you were omniscient. what exactly are my real sentiments ? you obviously believe you know me better than i know myself, LOL...
shalom..
...peace...
Obviously I do not think that, since I've asked you questions on a number of occasions, but you don't share. Omniscient ones don't ask.
You, however, have been relentlessly vindictive, nasty and hypocritical since your very first post to me. Because I don't have the same opinion as you. I ignored you and you then wrote a letter to the editors complaining that people weren't responding to you, and that by such non-response, they were depriving you of your free speech rights. When I responded, you then continued with your sniping remarks to me, even becoming disgustingly antisemitic. Throughout it all, you pepper your nastiness with pontifical and pretentious references to religious scripture and leaders like Gandhi (whose example you obviously don't follow). You ask snide questions, then refuse to provide answers to honest questions posed to yourself. You're just one ugly quip after the next.
Now you try to imply that you are associated with the subject of this article, her Jewish secretary, and Jewish peace groups in order to hide your antisemitism. Neither have you given them the courtesy of clarifying your relationship in that matter.
I hope, for their sakes, that you are not.
And please, do tell -- if you are associated at all with Debra Levy and any of those websites. If they recommend YOU! If you represent THEM!
Because you certainly try to imply that you're chummy. I think it behooves posting integrity for you to make that clear.
LMAO@theMAC and your email and website posts. Does that mean they recommend YOU? LOL
"Oh, here, let me paste an email and websites from some Jews! We're not anti Semites or anything and this proves it!"
There is no arguing about what the security wall has done for common Israelis. Of course those of you who want to see common Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians would object to the wall and call it an appartheid wall. On this all I have to say is "the dogs are barking, and the Caravan is moving forward"
Not that it is relavent to NK's call for Boycott, or the equally irrelivant comment here, but somewhere above you commentted: “If Israel had been in existence in 1939, the Holocaust could not have taken place.” These words reminded me of:
The Third Reich’s Interior Ministry's Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard Loesener, expressing support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a November 1935 issue of the official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: “If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely resolved today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of opposition to the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the Zionists, because they realize at once that these laws represent the only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular nationhood.”
Continued:
In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centres throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centres in Hitler's Germany.
Not called meshugah left for nothing.
Or, when you go so far left, or so far right, the two meet up, as one and the same.
Both here on this board, blessing one another.
common dreams editors (katherine/craig brown),
i realize that it's critical to maintain civil discourse - i try, although i also have lost my temper at times. i've read thousands of articles on this site in the past 10 years and have participated in the discourse for the past 18 months (and have seen many come and go). freedom of expression is critical to the health of a democracy. i have never flagged a comment - despite encountering very despicable comments (i remember a disgruntled soldier who raged on this site using the most vulgar foul language.)
i've noticed a disturbing trend recently when articles are posted about israel/.palestine. pro israeli advocates who relish the opportunity to censor opinions that don't jibe w/ their convictions (despite their own inflammatory speech). they now are flaunting this opportunity to censor (basically chilling speech w/out offering constructive arguments for their positions).
i admire CD for it's willingness to post these articles/essays and comments that would never see the light of day. it's courageous and it's a testament to the ideals of CD (ignite/inspire change).
it's no secret that the israeli govt is hellbent on censoring voices that draw attention to it's crimes (as noted by the article posted today by alice rothchild). i would hope that ya'll would recognize the attempt by these zionist sympathizers to stymie our speech.
it is a sensitive issue. 1.5 million people in gaza are living in an open air prison and are suffering (as are palestinians in the west bank and israel proper)and many of our own comrades (like tristan anderson, medea benjamin,) are involved in the struggle. it's not surprising that defenders of these victims of israeli policy are passionate (ignite and inspire).
please let the comments stand on their own merits. reasonable people can see unreasonable speech and judge it accordingly w/out parental intervention. i wish craig/abby would post a 'further' snippet addressing this issue.
again, thank you for posting naomi klein's articles/essays.
w/ respect and...
...peace...
"again, thank you for posting naomi klein's articles/essays."
This article is not by Naomi Klein. It is ABOUT Naomi Klein.
"w/ respect and...
...peace..."
You are not known for meaning what you say.
The only people with the power to censor opinions on this board are the editors. Just because people don't want to communicate with you on this board doesn't mean your freedom of speech is being censored by other posters (though you are free to censor yourself, as far as I care).
So, in short, you are very mixed up when it comes to the meaning of censorship and the First Amendment. And when people exercise their right NOT to talk to YOU.
In addition, the comments I see flagged contain personal, abusive attacks, rather than reasoned argument.
So you are very mixed up on the meaning of what that means, too.
(snotty, unapologetically arrogant sarcasm, on)
(But don't worry. Perhaps that person get clever, like you, and learn how to insult people and be nasty, without breaking forum rules. While pretending to be nice.)
Oh yes -- did I forget to add? -- "Peace" and "love" and :thonggirlwiggles:
(snotty, unapologetically arrogant sarcasm, off)
AP
When you write "Just because you mention Hitler's views in the same breath doesn't you aren't spouting them yourself." and you call that a "reasoned argument and not offensive".
You write: "the comments I see flagged contain personal, abusive attacks" Don't you mean the ones you reported as offensive and abusive because you don't like the reasoned arguments they contain?
You have not made ONE comment on the substance of the article or the questions at hand in this forum, that I can see. You have abused the "report this comment" button... You are the epitome of a TROLL.
I can only hope you are put out where you belong, although I’m sure you will find another name and address. In any case be sure you are just ignored as you deserve.
'When you write "Just because you mention Hitler's views in the same breath doesn't you aren't spouting them yourself." and you call that a "reasoned argument and not offensive".'
Yes, that IS reasoned argument BECAUSE one can repeat Hitler virtually word for word -- and, just because one criticizes him in the next breath -- does not cancel out their support for his views in the first breath.
And, pointing out that one has quoted Hitler -- while it may offend you to know that you are supporting his vision, that, in itself, is not offensive speech. Just speech that offends the lie you are promoting about your statement.
'You write: "the comments I see flagged contain personal, abusive attacks" Don't you mean the ones you reported as offensive and abusive because you don't like the reasoned arguments they contain?'
No, I don't mean that.
'You have not made ONE comment on the substance of the article or the questions at hand in this forum, that I can see.'
That is a bald-faced lie. You just don't like that I called you on YOUR trolling after you unfairly accused someone else of trolling simply because you disagree with their opinion.
'You have abused the "report this comment" button...'
You don't know who used the report this comment button. You are abusing the rules of evidence and logic.
'You are the epitome of a TROLL.'
You have been reported on this forum for repeatedly making personal attacks and insults. And now, making up whatever story suits you about others. Including calling others who disagree with you, "trolls". THAT is the epitome of trolling.
This guy is funny too. Thanks for the laugh TROLL I wish you could make some sense! I have every evidence I need that you flagged my comment in reply to you. Who else could it offend or be so stupid?
Please feel ignored from now on and Have a good one!
I will continue to respond to your posts, as I please or see fit or feel like (or not), since I wish to point out how filled your posts are with baseless attacks and logical fallacies.
I couldn't care less if you ignore me.
I will report this post you've just made, however, for name-calling. Another trade-mark of trolls.
(See? That's called, backing up what one says with evidence.)
"Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause." - gandhi
"Patience is not passive; on the contrary, it is active; it is concentrated strength." - Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton
"Absolute justice is achieved by the suppression of all contradiction, therefore it destroys freedom." - albert camus
enjoy your day ap....
...peace...
You are a hypocrite. Your posts drip with it, along with hatred, dishonesty and intolerance.
Auschwitz Survivor:
“I can write up an endless list of similarities between Nazi Germany and Israel. The capturing of land and property, denying people access to educational opportunities and restricting access to earn a living to destroy their hope, all with the aim to chase people away from their land...”
Whole Interview: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22912.htm
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According to classical Judaism Non-Jews are not considered to be human beings:
“We have a case of let us differentiate between totally different species:... the body of Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of (members) of all nations of the world.”
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, quoted in “Overcoming Zionism” p.29
So Palestinians (Arabs) have conveniently become the new "Untermenschen"...
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“Send the Arabs to the Gas Chambers” (settler’s graffiti in Hebron) –
see the whole video here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13749.htm
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Just in case..... (who knows what the future brings?): From Nazi terror state to democratic sanctuary?
Recently German state televison showed a remarkable and ironic development in Israel: More and more young Israelis of German descent are applying for a German passport...
http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/media/panorama268.html
“I am a patriot (currently serving in the IDF), I wanted to give everything for Israel but this state is somehow insane. Life here isn’t normal.”
(Rotem Pappe, a young Israeli woman with a German passport)
Between 2000 and 3.500 Israelis of German descent apply for a German passport every year. Almost 50% of the Israelis whose forefathers lived in Germany, are now German passport holders, says Tel Aviv attorney Dan Assan.
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Israelis say they feel threatened by Hisbollah, Hamas and other "terrorists" or the new invented "Hitler" Ahmadinejad but the real threat comes from within: a state built on cunning, terror, terrible injustice and racial discrimination....
"On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders". (Avi Shlaim)
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
The question is: How has the Jewish (read: Zionist) state succeeded in fulfilling the promise to provide a better, safer life for Jews?
60 yrs after its founding Israel is the most dangerous place on earth for Jews (because it has been set up to be perpetually at war, and a Zionist state (being inherently racist) can by definition not be a democratic state...)
The behaviour of the Jewish state has provoked a worldwide outpouring of rational condemnation (for grave violations of human and political rights) and a resurgence of Judaeophobia (better known as “anti-semitism”).
Zionists denounce all criticism of Israel as “anti-semitic” (springing from the twisted heart of the “goyim” not from the criminal and cruel actions of a colonial settler-state)
Despite the enormous aid given to it by its American protector and others.... Israel remains a society in grave economic and social crisis, with rampant unemployment, pockets of outright hunger, and many signs of social disintegration (it now has the greatest gap between rich and poor in the industrialized world)
Non-religious) “settlers” in the West Bank are enticed with heavy subsidies...most of them could not afford a house on their own within Israel’s accepted borders.
Here is another quote from Sir John Troutbeck, written some weeks after the Deir Yassin massacre in May 1948:
"I is difficult to see that ZIONIST POLICY is anything else than
UNASHAMED AGGRESSION CARRIED OUT BY METHODS OF DECEIT AND BRUTALITY NOT UNWORTHY OF HITLER"
What a disappointing statement by Naomi Klein. And a ridiculous comparison to the South African boycott. Is she as alarmed about what is happening to the protesters in Iran? Her sense of perspective as a journalist and commentator is WAY off. No, NK, we will not be simple-mindlessly boycotting Israel. (And believe, we sure did boycott South Africa.) We will likely not be reading you with such interest anymore, either. Though I'm sure you won't miss our following, since you're collecting a whole 'nuther readership. You, NK, should pat yourself on the back for being the fuel of hate-mongers and bigots.
As for the repeated antisemitic posters on these boards (including the ones who have obviously suffered so keeping all their feelings about Jews bottled up :rolling eyes:, and who go unchallenged by the left who *just* disagree with the Israeli government (and believe so strongly in speaking out against hate - yes, sarcasm, because you're so FOS), your speech in the face of their silence, is the biggest reflection on their judgment out of anything I read here.
Common dreams? Nay. (And believe me, before you comment as some of you normally do on any articles pertaining to Israel on these boards, and to anyone who dares to challenge you, I am completely impervious to people calling me intellectually zero names like "imperialist" or "zionist". In short, you bore me. You all sound like the mental equivalent of stormfront posters. You know who you are. The lot of you, including the more *finely nuanced*, are sickening and disgusting.)
Like I said, ya'all know who you are.
AP
BTW which "we" were you refering to when you wrote:
"We will likely not be reading you with such interest anymore, either."
Was that the royal "we" or "we the chozen people"?
I'd certainly like to know what bunch of a.. h.les you think you represent and can speak for, although I have a good idea already.
Israel cannot state it has the "right to exist" based on a UN resolution and then blatantly ignore the UN Charter, the Geneva Conventions, more than 80 subsequent resolutions, not including ones defeated in the UNSC only by US veto intervention, and the bulk of international human rights.
Israel cannot be made an exception. Its actions have shown it to be a rouge, terrorist, racist, state sponsored by the USA. If you do not like that uncomfortable truth, you are free to stick your rambunctious big head back into the sand, or whatever other dark place suits it, in order not to see the facts... but it is pointless to try without any counter argument of substance to attack NK or the majority of well informed anti-Zionist commentators here at CD especially with the old anti-Semitic canard.
I can only second everything written by iowablackbird and commonman3, and add; Who the hell do you think you are talking down to me or any of the posters here in your condescending condemnation. This idea that criticism of a rouge state Zionist regime is somehow anti-Semitism is already done to death.
If you cannot see the need to pressure the citizens of that little country to bring their government to become a responsible member of the global community and act within the legal and humanitarian norms laid down and accepted as minimal by treaty and charter, it is your own blindness. US citizens who ignorantly or not support the Zionist regime also need to to be informed.
To ap
Someone sounds defensive.
But if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck, then it's likely a duck.
The actions of the current Israeli government is abhorrent. There is no excuse for their conduct. By any measure, Israel's actions violate fundamental human rights and International Law.
All those who died in the Holocaust would be ashamed of those who claim to be of their line. Those Jewish innocents had dignity and moral superiority to those who persecuted them. There is no dignity in what Israel is currently doing, and they have lost the moral high ground in the world. They have become worse than their enemies.
I agree with Naomi. Boycott Israel. End the Apartheid.
Don't forget not to buy any Hebrew editions of her book.
:rolleyes:
ap,
what a gracious comment. i'm glad you took the time to read the article and over 175 comments to share your insights w/ us. it's challenging isn't it. did you read ms. klein's book shock doctrine ?
it's a little more complex than listening to michael savage or rush limbaugh (perhaps you would say it's more nuanced).
less than 100 demonstrators were killed in iran (no i don't condone killing demonstrators). the vast majority of those deaths were people who voluntarily took to the streets (w/ $400 million dollars in cia sponsorship) to protest their govt.
over 1300 people were killed in one week by the israeli govt, in one week. these weren't college students w/ cell phones and twitter accounts; many of these casualties were civilians : women, children and the elderly seeking shelter from the white phosphorus raining from the sky (that's a war crime ap). dying painful deaths from bombs and bullets made in US factories - killing people who essentially have been living under siege for years by a racist regime.
our money, your money - over 3 billion dollars a year in aid - contributed to this tragedy. we, as americans, are uniquely responsible for the death and carnage inflicted by the israelis upon the palestinians.
that's a fundamental difference between iran and israel. that is what is 'sickening and disgusting'. we sponsor the misery inflicted upon these people.
another hypocritical difference between israel and iran, is israel's refusal to sign the NNPT. israel maintains a secret nuclear arsenal - w/ blessings from the US - while refusing to abide by international treaties demanding control/inspection of israels nuclear facilities. yet, we target iran b/c we covet their oil reserves and are afraid that if they have a nuclear arsenal those oil reserves will remain beyond our control forever.
the israeli's believe they are beyond the edicts of the international community. they're special - exempt from the rules, b/c of a tragedy that the palestinians had no responsibility for (nazi atrocities). the israeli's believe they have the right to kill, maim and threaten anyone they choose w/ our weapons. they're bullies ap. who needs a stinkin UN human rights commission when the israeli's know what's best for israel. right ?
i don't accept this, ms klein doesn't accept this, most of the international community does not accept this, and many of the CD readers on these boards don't accept this. if it bothers you so much that a few people in america disagree w/ you (it disgusts you), i recommend you turn off the computer and continue listening to fox news. it appears to suit your ideological frame of mind. of course, you probably also supported the apartheid regime of south africa - the state of israel did.
...peace...
"i recommend you turn off the computer and continue listening to fox news. it appears to suit your ideological frame of mind. of course, you probably also supported the apartheid regime of south africa - the state of israel did."
Just for the additional record, re your usual imaginings, I do not listen to FOX news, and as I stated in my initial post (but you obviously fail to read comprehensively), I supported the South Africa boycott, being old enough to, at that time.
I will not support this boycott, however. It has no comparison to South Africa, and especially, as indicated on this board, it is an antisemitic boycott. No matter how much they wave Naomi Klein about.
And I want to thank you, in particular, for showing that so clearly.
P.S. I do like CNN and National Geographic. Christiane Amanpour, Anderson Cooper and Jane Goodall, among others. Twentieth Century Fox, too.......
the state of israel supported the apartheid regime of south africa up until the day of it's dissolution.
it's not about you or me, israel is a racist nation (w/ laws that sanction racism).
...peace...
iowablackbird, Hi. I heard a gender rumor. That your heart spirit and soul lived in a mantemple. I was surprised, your insights shared, base of knowldge, symmetry of writing implied to me a woman's mindspirit. goldenmean too, that tricky oh so smart man I mistook too.
Are you readying to blow with westerly winds
To the green of Olympia Washington, her flora
Fauna River and Love Calling?
Having a little clan-in?
azjoe,
moondoggy has my email. please contact him and acquire it (you can use this post as verification/permission to contact me). i hope you and your munchkins are having a wonderful weekend - i'm not a religious person (agnostic) but today let us pray for our palestinian brothers and sisters who are suffering senselessly on our government's dime.
...peace...
' i'm not a religious person (agnostic) but today let us pray '
As observed elsewhere, hypocrisy, a trademark of yours.
You know, I have been thinking...I think that we should do away with dual citizenship. To me you are either an American
or an Israel citizen, but not both. I includ all dual citizenships in all countries. You can not serve two countries. I have heard Jews say that they would not go to
Viet Nam but that they would fight for Israel. Therefore, they need to renounce their American citizenship. Being an
American is a privilege. I wonder how many Jews are soldiers in Arganistan or in Iraq. Very few, I bet.
While it is true that the Jews were gassed and killed by the
Mazis, they also killed 20 million Russian peasants. and we
are responsible for killing far more native Americans.
US doesn't recognize dual citizenship
Thanks for the perspective
I guess that means Naomi Klein is not an American.
The former Trotskyites and followers of David Horowitz, Peter Collier and Martin Peretz, seem to be the standard opposition to Naomi Klein’s thoughtful articles. We acknowledge them for their zeal, but admonish them for their misleading attacks on Naomi Klein’s ideals.
“…most people want to believe that they live in a fair world. They therefore adopt "cognitive coping strategies" that justify existing inequalities.” - Fabian research director Tim Horton
israel is the nazi germany of the middle east!
The article reports that Naomi Klein has been translated into Hebrew. Hardly the example set by Nazi Germany, I would say.
Naomi Klein has proved once more she is a courageous, well informed and intelligent person. As a woman, I am proud of her and deeply appreciate her efforts and honesty to speak the truth and help others to see it. I thank her in the name of my grandchildren.
Only buffons and thugs would reduce Yahweh to the status of a real estate salesman. Lions, my butt.
Israel Puts Us All At Risk
"Based on?"
"9/11."
"What's Israel got to do with 9/ll?"
"It's Israel's occupation of Palestine that stokes the hatred and fury that underlies violent messianic movements such as al-Qaeda."
"The answer being?"
"That Jewish colonizer and colonized Palestinian sit down together and work things out on the basis of one equals one."
"Anything else?"
"Liberty and justice for all."
I can't give the readership much information on divestment, but this website lists numerous companies/corporations you might want to consider boycotting. Click on the logo and you will learn more about the nature of the company's connection(s) with the state of Israel.
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-brands.html
Where's Al-Jazeera?
Tsk tsk. Sloppy list.
I'm going to see what I can buy more often from Israel.
I see thong-girlie is in competition with some of America's most popular retailers and name-brands in the sexy underwear business.
it's refreshing to see that charles martel has joined the common dreams charter membership club - the club originally founded by joehope and thomasmore aka henry8 and shawn berry and maxpayne and jenniferbeddingfeld - of inane posters.
He did bring up some interesting points. If we refuse to honor diversity of opinion then we may as well be living in hamasistan.
I notice that a couple of your remarks have been flagged for their abusive content. I do not think you are in a position to point the finger at anyone about "trolling". And I find Mr. Martel's comments refreshing for their intellectual honesty and courage, too.
I see the flagged post was removed by management.
Perhaps a special tax can be placed on the labor of palestinians working in Israel to compensate Israeli businesses.
That is an interesting idea.
Not to force my religion on anyone else, but I pray for this woman and all others who stand in solidarity here with the oppressed and for those who are oppressed.
AD
Not to force my religion on anyone else, but I pray for this woman and all others who stand in solidarity here with the oppressed and for those who are oppressed.
AD
There are millions of Americans who want to do the right thing, and bury Israel and their war-mongering murderous thugs. The question is, what is the best way to crank up critical mass and put something behind it. Where are the best points to boycott? Can we single out the AIPAC types? Can we find the people behind the brutality of these people? I'm still waiting for someone to get justice for Rachel Corrie, and, while I'm sure it will come, I want to see it soon. Any ideas, links or addresses that can be provided are appreciated. We must break the "special" relationship with these lying, murderous scumbags.
thong-girl
Firstly, you need to break the "special" relationship with THESE lying, murderous scumbags:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
Start with the thong industry. Only invest in underwear from Muslim nations. There's big money in it, in Saudi Arabia, for starters.
There are many ways to go about it, I'm working with various groups to get Israeli academics kicked out of university campuses, follow that up with getting various professional/scholastic bodies to boycott papers submitted from Israeli institutions. It's a global movement.
Instead of an economic boycott, it's an intellectual boycott - we refuse to hear, assist them with their ideas, as a matter of fact we do not wish to associate or be associated with them.
Of course the Zionist groups(like AIPAC) are vehemently opposing our efforts.
It's sorta like what the author suggested doing with film - global blockbusters or music,books, etc will not be shown/distributed in Israel, nor will Israeli culture find a market outside of Israel.
It shouldn't just be about money,it's about shunning an entire people in every aspect of life until the Zionists are no more.
"It shouldn't just be about money,it's about shunning an entire people in every aspect of life until the Zionists are no more."
You sound like a German Nazi around the beginning of the Second World War. Indeed, you could be quoting straight from Adolph Hitler.
Thank you Catgirl, and I, too, hope to see justice for Rachel, and all the victims of the murdering IDF and their supporters.
Here is some useful information about identifying the products made in Unreal (or is it Israel?!).
http://www.petitiononline.com/plo2002/petition.html
Please always look for the starting 3 digits of a bar-coded item, and avoid 729 like it is HIV.
I also encourage the readers to call the boycotted companies, and to explain to them that we are taking our business to their competition, until they cease to conduct business with the thugs in Israel. I do it every time I grab a cup of coffee from Tully (Seattle fine coffee company ;) by calling Starbucks and telling them how much $$ I am spending at their competition, and that I am telling my family and friends to do the same.
Lastly, this is a boycott of Israel and Israelis, not all Jews!
thanks
"Lastly, this is a boycott of Israel and Israelis, not all Jews!"
Sure, that's why it's about "shunning an entire people" for your girlfriend. Lastly.
:rolleyes:
"And god said to Moshe, 'go to Pharoah, and say to him, "thus says god 'LET MY PEOPLE GO...'"'" [Exodus 7:26]
boycott all israeli products until they are willing to live in peace w/ the palestinans who were living on the land prior to 1948. racial purity laws are a disgrace to all people, regardless of where they live.
...peace...
Thank you Catgirl, and I, too, hope to see justice for Rachel, and all the victims of the murdering IDF and their supporters.
Here is some useful information about identifying the products made in Unreal (or is it Israel?!).
http://www.petitiononline.com/plo2002/petition.html
Please always look for the starting 3 digits of a bar-coded item, and avoid 729 like it is HIV.
I also encourage the readers to call the boycotted companies, and to explain to them that we are taking our business to their competition, until they cease to conduct business with the thugs in Israel. I do it every time I grab a cup of coffee from Tully (Seattle fine coffee company ;) by calling Starbucks and telling them how much $$ I am spending at their competition, and that I am telling my family and friends to do the same.
Lastly, this is a boycott of Israel and Israelis, not all Jews!
thanks
Millions of Americans are doing the right thing. They support the state of Israel in her historic struggle against islamofascism.
Ha ha! Love your sense of humor. Sometimes we get too serious on these topics.
Unfortunately, millions of Americans ARE supporting Israel.
It's not the right thing, of course.
Israel should be boycotted, absolutely, positively. Unless they are brought to their knees, they donot want peace. They are arrogant and racist.
Oh those uppity Jews! Thinking they have a right to exist! How dare they!
(snotty satirical take-off, off)
' . '
"And god said to Moshe, 'go to Pharoah, and say to him, "thus says god 'LET MY PEOPLE GO...'"'" [Exodus 7:26]
boycott all israeli products until they are willing to live in peace w/ the palestinans who were living on the land prior to 1948. racial purity laws are a disgrace to all people, regardless of where they live.
...peace...
Yahweh's Lions are ready. Bring it on.
The bit that all the Zionists on here seem to miss is that if they hadn't stolen all this land from the Palestinians in the first place, if they hadn't driven them out at the point of a gun and if they didn't continually humiliate these ordinary human beings there wouldn't be any suicide bombers to keep out because there wouldn't be any suicide bombers or rockets aimed at Sderot the home of hundreds of Palestinian Quislings.
What's really interesting is that according to a recent poll 60% of Israeli's would leave the country immediately if Iran acquired similar nuclear weaponry to what the Israelis have had for years - how many is it? Just about sums up how much bottle these people have got. It's OK whilst everyone else has virtually nothing and they have everything up to and including a couple of hundred (at the very least) nuclear weapons - but as soon as others are on a level footing most of them will run away.
Which country has frequently attacked its neighbours over the last sixty odd years and which one hasn't?
Why don't these people just leave anyway?
"According to a recent poll 60% of Israeli's would leave the country immediately if Iran acquired similar nuclear weaponry to what the Israelis have had for years"
And guess what country these scum-bags would be coming to?
Lots of taqiyya around here.
A one-word translation would be "dissimulation." the concept of Taqiyya (تقية - 'fear, guard against', also taghiyeh)[2] refers to a dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. (Wiki)
Are you talking of your own Zionism, because no one else here has to hide anything for fear of Zionist games, walls, or myths. It's all out there and no one is afraid. The Zionists have lost. They cannot even fool their own people any more. Their deceit and antagonism has hung them by their own petard. It took a long time but they are finally finished, washed up, redundant.
Zionist lies and terrorism can only harvests further disgust, from any “mench”.
"The barrier does prevent attacks. Before the barrier was built, Israeli civilians were victims of multiple suicide bombing attacks a week. Now that the barrier is in place, the number of suicide bombing has dropped to virtually zero.
"
LOL
Are you for real?
Who is occupying who?
So who are the criminals?
Just because you, Jesus, laugh out loud, claim that I'm not real, and chant the words “Occupation” and "Criminals” won't change the fact that since the barrier was built; the number of suicide bombing in Israel had dropped significantly.