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Time to Stop Being Cynical About Corporate Money in Politics and Start Being Angry
Buying Congress in 2012
My resolution for 2012 is to be naïve -- dangerously naïve.
I’m aware that the usual recipe for political effectiveness is just the opposite: to be cynical, calculating, an insider. But if you think, as I do, that we need deep change in this country, then cynicism is a sucker’s bet. Try as hard as you can, you’re never going to be as cynical as the corporations and the harem of politicians they pay for. It’s like trying to outchant a Buddhist monastery.
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Here’s my case in point, one of a thousand stories people working for social change could tell: All last fall, most of the environmental movement, including 350.org, the group I helped found, waged a fight against the planned Keystone XL pipeline that would bring some of the dirtiest energy on the planet from Canada through the U.S. to the Gulf Coast. We waged our struggle against building it out in the open, presenting scientific argument, holding demonstrations, and attending hearings. We sent 1,253 people to jail in the largest civil disobedience action in a generation. Meanwhile, more than half a million Americans offered public comments against the pipeline, the most on any energy project in the nation’s history.
And what do you know? We won a small victory in November, when President Obama agreed that, before he could give the project a thumbs-up or -down, it needed another year of careful review. (The previous version of that review, as overseen by the State Department, had been little short of a crony capitalist farce.) Given that James Hansen, the government’s premier climate scientist, had said that tapping Canada’s tar sands for that pipeline would, in the end, essentially mean “game over for the climate,” that seemed an eminently reasonable course to follow, even if it was also eminently political.
A few weeks later, however, Congress decided it wanted to take up the question. In the process, the issue went from out in the open to behind closed doors in money-filled rooms. Within days, and after only a couple of hours of hearings that barely mentioned the key scientific questions or the dangers involved, the House of Representatives voted 234-194 to force a quicker review of the pipeline. Later, the House attached its demand to the must-pass payroll tax cut.
That was an obvious pre-election year attempt to put the president on the spot. Environmentalists are at least hopeful that the White House will now reject the permit. After all, its communications director said that the rider, by hurrying the decision, “virtually guarantees that the pipeline will not be approved.”
As important as the vote total in the House, however, was another number: within minutes of the vote, Oil Change International had calculated that the 234 Congressional representatives who voted aye had received $42 million in campaign contributions from the fossil-fuel industry; the 193 nays, $8 million.
Buying Congress
I know that cynics -- call them realists, if you prefer -- will be completely unsurprised by that. Which is precisely the problem.
We’ve reached the point where we’re unfazed by things that should shake us to the core. So, just for a moment, be naïve and consider what really happened in that vote: the people’s representatives who happen to have taken the bulk of the money from those energy companies promptly voted on behalf of their interests.
They weren’t weighing science or the national interest; they weren’t balancing present benefits against future costs. Instead of doing the work of legislators, that is, they were acting like employees. Forget the idea that they’re public servants; the truth is that, in every way that matters, they work for Exxon and its kin. They should, by rights, wear logos on their lapels like NASCAR drivers.
If you find this too harsh, think about how obligated you feel when someone gives you something. Did you get a Christmas present last month from someone you hadn’t remembered to buy one for? Are you going to send them an extra-special one next year?
And that’s for a pair of socks. Speaker of the House John Boehner, who insisted that the Keystone approval decision be speeded up, has gotten $1,111,080 from the fossil-fuel industry during his tenure. His Senate counterpart Mitch McConnell, who shepherded the bill through his chamber, has raked in $1,277,208 in the course of his tenure in Washington.
If someone had helped your career to the tune of a million dollars, wouldn’t you feel in their debt? I would. I get somewhat less than that from my employer, Middlebury College, and yet I bleed Panther blue. Don’t ask me to compare my school with, say, Dartmouth unless you want a biased answer, because that’s what you’ll get. Which is fine -- I am an employee.
But you’d be a fool to let me referee the homecoming football game. In fact, in any other walk of life we wouldn’t think twice before concluding that paying off the referees is wrong. If the Patriots make the Super Bowl, everyone in America would be outraged to see owner Robert Kraft trot out to midfield before the game and hand a $1,000 bill to each of the linesmen and field judges.
If he did it secretly, the newspaper reporter who uncovered the scandal would win a Pulitzer. But a political reporter who bothered to point out Boehner’s and McConnell’s payoffs would be upbraided by her editor for simpleminded journalism. That’s how the game is played and we’ve all bought into it, even if only to sputter in hopeless outrage.
Far from showing any shame, the big players boast about it: the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, front outfit for a consortium of corporations, has bragged on its website about outspending everyone in Washington, which is easy to do when Chevron, Goldman Sachs, and News Corp are writing you seven-figure checks. This really matters. The Chamber of Commerce spent more money on the 2010 elections than the Republican and Democratic National Committees combined, and 94% of those dollars went to climate-change deniers. That helps explain why the House voted last year to say that global warming isn’t real.
It also explains why “our” representatives vote, year in and year out, for billions of dollars worth of subsidies for fossil-fuel companies. If there was ever an industry that didn’t need subsidies, it would be this one: they make more money each year than any enterprise in the history of money. Not only that, but we’ve known how to burn coal for 300 years and oil for 200.
Those subsidies are simply payoffs. Companies give small gifts to legislators, and in return get large ones back, and we’re the ones who are actually paying.
Whose Money? Whose Washington?
I don’t want to be hopelessly naïve. I want to be hopefully naïve. It would be relatively easy to change this: you could provide public financing for campaigns instead of letting corporations pay. It’s the equivalent of having the National Football League hire referees instead of asking the teams to provide them.
Public financing of campaigns would cost a little money, but endlessly less than paying for the presents these guys give their masters. And it would let you watch what was happening in Washington without feeling as disgusted. Even legislators, once they got the hang of it, might enjoy neither raising money nor having to pretend it doesn’t affect them.
To make this happen, however, we may have to change the Constitution, as we’ve done 27 times before. This time, we’d need to specify that corporations aren’t people, that money isn’t speech, and that it doesn’t abridge the First Amendment to tell people they can’t spend whatever they want getting elected. Winning a change like that would require hard political organizing, since big banks and big oil companies and big drug-makers will surely rally to protect their privilege.
Still, there’s a chance. The Occupy movement opened the door to this sort of change by reminding us all that the system is rigged, that its outcomes are unfair, that there’s reason to think people from across the political spectrum are tired of what we’ve got, and that getting angry and acting on that anger in the political arena is what being a citizen is all about.
It’s fertile ground for action. After all, Congress’s approval rating is now at 9%, which is another way of saying that everyone who’s not a lobbyist hates them and what they’re doing. The big boys are, of course, counting on us simmering down; they’re counting on us being cynical, on figuring there’s no hope or benefit in fighting city hall. But if we’re naïve enough to demand a country more like the one we were promised in high school civics class, then we have a shot.
A good time to take an initial stand comes later this month, when rallies outside every federal courthouse will mark the second anniversary of the Citizens United decision. That’s the one where the Supreme Court ruled that corporations had the right to spend whatever they wanted on campaigns.
To me, that decision was, in essence, corporate America saying, “We’re not going to bother pretending any more. This country belongs to us.”
We need to say, loud and clear: “Sorry. Time to give it back.”
To catch Timothy MacBain’s first Tomcast audio interview of the new year in which McKibben discusses how the rest of us can compete with a system in which money talks, click here, or download it to your iPod here.
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109 Comments so far
Show AllImagine seeing a piece here at CD entitled:
"Time to Start Addressing the Financial Elite's Reaction to the Crisis in Captialism"
I am wondering when Mckibben is going to get angry at Obama for his numerous environmental sellouts and publically express his outrage by naming Obama in one of his articles? Oops: that certainly won't get Bill invited to the White House again; maybe that has something to do with it.
Did you even read this piece? Its a bought democracy: Obama, Boehner, everybody. Nobody is at fault because the SYSTEM makes them dance to this tune. WE, the little people, have to stop being cynical and start being dangerously naive or that tune is never going to change. As long as its a bought democracy, nothing gets fixed: not the environment, not healthcare, not the economy, not the military-industrial-complex, not immigration, nothing. Thats because 'broken' is how money wants it. A broken society is easier to prey upon.
Did you READ IT? In the third paragraph Bill notes Key Stone as a "small victory." That was no victory at all, small or otherwise. It was put on the back burner so Obama had cover against the left already unhappy with every other capitulation. People I know in radical environmental movement like Ward Churchill, Dave Foreman, and others are noting Key Stone is a done deal, so kicking it down the road into the next election cycle only gives Obama political cover now for votes. He fully intends to approve it.
Moreover, where did I say that our 'so called' democracy is NOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, genuis? Everything I've posted on this forum for the last six years notes the systems corruption and the progressive light crowd (inside the belt way elites) who sit at table and get NOTHING THEY WANT while writing philosophic position pieces calling for anger but never expressing it themselves either in writing or directed at Obama. Instead they provide circular methods which are disempowered because they use their high profile leadership role by not DIRECTLY taking on the Administration..
In fact, the only anger I see expressed on the internet is on CD or via OWS movement which Obama himself as worked to dismantle through Homeland Security efforts and noted by numerous commentators.
I find cynical Bill's political methods which propogate cynicism in the public square. i.e., he is a routine visitor to the Oval Office with a 'so called' place at the table, but nothing he wants via 350 has been achieved: how cynical can it get by going through the motions of political gamesmanship leading to impotence and disempowerment void of meaningful results? It is Bill's methods that are cynical because they lack the power to effect the change we all claim we want.
McKibben: "A good time to take an initial stand comes later this month, when rallies outside every federal courthouse will mark the second anniversary of the Citizens United decision" You can be sure McKibben will be there, and that's not just talk or a tour of the Oval Office.
For myself, I've been VERY impressed by McKibben and to read that he publicly 'gets it' regarding campaign finance reform is heartening. If you long ago identified this as the central problem with 'our' democracy, I'm surprised at your criticism toward actions by McKibben that are at best peripheral to the thrust of this article. It reminds me of the criticism of Dylan Ratigan who took common-cause with OWS and campaign finance reform and was criticized as doing it for ratings. I'll make common cause with a Tea Partier if he wants campaign finance reform, and I don't care HOW many guns he brings to the rally. People from every point of view and walk of life are beginning to 'get it' regarding our bought democracy, and given the stranglehold money has on our society I don't think any movement growing out of that is well served by turning folks away from the door for being 'unclean'.
Cite one Bill of meaningful finance reform Obama has signed into law in the last three years? And please dont refer me to the Bill which was written by wall street insiders as one of them.
to my knowledge, none. Which means, by your logic, anyone associated with Obama should have no say in the subject of such reform. And where does that leave us, with the guys who are willing to sign a pledge to avoid corporate financing? A 'pledge', in this environment? This is going to require more than that. This needs people working at the grass-roots level to bring amendments, state by state, leading eventually to a constitutional amendment that THIS is what is meant by democracy. Expect to be fought by very deep pockets, state by state. Which is why, as McKibben states, this is not a job for cynics, but for only the very naive, and patriotic.
If McKibben has begun to realize that forming a grass-roots campaign to halt global CO2 emissions isn't enough, and if McKibben (with all his experience FORMING grass-roots organizations) is beginning to realize that what is needed is campaign finance reform, then I am greatly encouraged. And your attempt to make this about Obama seems deeply suspicious, to me. Obama is on the sidelines of this and all crucial issues. This should not be surprising because that's where a bought democracy is paid to be.
Obama is hardly on the sidelines, although I am sure that is the way his handlers want to make it out to be while using euphemisms like 'compromise' to describe his own culpability and capitulations void of any real fight, and to derail authentic discussion. This makes me suspicious your just another Dem apologist treading water and spreading the sacrament of incremental change to fence sitters and the other true believers in the duopoly.
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I am afraid you are on the wrong side of historic precedence. All of the maneuvers Bill names ought to be done; I am not saying they shouldn’t be, or that people sit on the sidelines. I am saying that these methods have been used for the last fifty years without significant movement in the direction you hope for. In fact, legislative fiat has moved in the opposite direction on the issues you’ve named.
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It does not work, in and of itself. Something more is required and Mckibben is trying to plug one small hole on the Titanic while missing the monstrous gash.
Your missive was a nice dance juxtaposed against the legislation of the last fifty years of our demise
Sorry, ekobe, but it's you who are missing the point (and clearly for reasons of deep hatred - probably partisan - for the man in the White House).
The point is that McKibben has shifted from "trying to plug one small hole" - the climate hole - to amending the founding document of this nation and kettling out the corporate money interests from politics. THAT is the iceberg that is sinking this Titanic, and it's the fundamental shift that is necessary to right this ship of state.
Snipping the corporate umbilical cord to Washington will undermine Obama as much as anyone, since that's his primary source of campaign funding. It's an equal opportunity transpartisan solution.
Glad to hear that McKibben gets it. Too bad that you don't.
If voting for the Green Party or other Third Party runs makes me "partisan" you bet, and I am proud to call myself partisan under the frame you just used.
You Obama apologist's and Dem Courtiers provide the same frame year after year without any significant legislation you want, nevertheless you keep sending your vote into a black hole. Like I said: you people just don't get it.
One more thing. Nice piece of sophistry. If you want credibility on this site explain how eliminating corporate money would actually happen under our current system given elected officials would be required to change the corruption they currently benefit from including your hero and Master, Obama?
How about being angry that NGO's like McKibben's are running on corporate cash from its merger with the Rockefeller Brothers Fund ? I couldn't believe it until I saw it myself: http://www.rbf.org/post/1sky-and-350org-stronger-one
Remember the Rockefeller massacre of men, women and children in Ludlow, Colorado!
Robert
You have very high standards. If you are going to hold today's Rockefeller fund responsible for what the old man did more than a hundred years ago, then very few organizations would be considered "appropriate" to take money from.
I have been to homes of tarsands organizers. They are typical generation X or Y poverty. These people are not anything like corporate lobbyists. They need to eat, mostly vegan, pay subway fare, and live in some little walkup apartment in order to do their work. That's reality, and thank you for understanding. Now as for other "community organizers"....
fascinating...
not altogether unexpected, given McKibben's typical tack...
When the Institute for Community Economics (ICE) - where I worked, like all the collective staff, for room and board alone - began its revolving loan fund (and initiated the socially-responsible investment movement) to assist those rural and inner-city Community Land Trust projects that no bank would touch, the Ford Foundation gave us $1M with no strings attached. These "old money" foundations actually do good and are not controlled by the ghosts of their past benefactors. ICE, a group dedicated to eliminating private property as a legal concept, would not get in bed with corporatists any more than would 350.org.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/03/news/nation/us-forest-service-approves-vt-wind-project/
Bill McKibben writes: "Environmentalists are at least hopeful that the White House will now reject the [KXL] permit... I don’t want to be hopelessly naïve. I want to be hopefully naïve."
There's no hope of intelligent discourse until we dispense with naïveté altogether. McKibben's argument that fossil-fuel financed representatives are putting the fossil-fuel financed President "on the spot" invites readers to join him in blissful, willfully naïve self-delusion. The House did not mandate that Obama approve the pipeline, only that he decide whether "game over for the climate" is a good idea before the election.
Only someone whose loyalties to the Democratic party outweigh his concerns about planet Earth could maintain such monumental naïveté.
Obama has some 6 weeks left to decide on KXL. A December 16 message from Duncan Meisel at TarSandsAction (now folded into 350.org) said "We’re dusting off our plans to go to Obama 2012 offices and raise a ruckus." That is what the moment demands: a ruckus, not hope.
President Obama About to Cave on Keystone XL?
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/president-obama-cave-keystone-xl/
You might take issue with a word choice, but you can hardly take issue with the activities of tarsands and 350.org. These activities include education about the science around danger of carbon in the atmosphere, organization of individuals all over the country and in other countries, activism, and unifying diverse groups that are involved in environmental issues.
I have a child living in a rural area of Africa. When I was arrested in DC last summer, he was surprised that everyone he knows in Africa seemed to be well aware of the issue already, and were happy to see pushback on the issue. McKibben, Duncan Meisel et al are part of a global grassroots movement, about which I choose to be hopeful, and possibly risk being called naive, which I would reframe as the "necessary optimism of the will".
I'm taking issue with McKibben's tortured logic in the article above, not a mere word choice. In what sense is it "cynical" to demand that Obama decide on "game over for the climate" before the election?
I greatly respect the work of people like you, with TarSandsAction and 350.org, on the KXL issue - which is more than anyone else has done. The rubber is hitting the road, now. The time is ripe for the "ruckus" Meisel promised - probably vainly, as McKibben's tone indicates.
McKibben's tone is obsequious to powerful Democrats. He thinks this is a practical approach, and there are many who agree with him. The leadership of 350.org seems to have concluded that posing any direct challenge to Obama in 2012 would be counter-productive. This attitude can be expected to alienate conscientious people.
So what if McKibben wants to keep lines of communication open to Obama and other politicians? That doesn't mean his position is wrong, or that the action at the White House was wrong.
Stop venting about McKibben's personal style and/or personal flaws, and get behind the fight. If you could write a better, less "obsequious" article than McKibben, do it. I think McKIbben is as frustrated as anyone with Obama, and as aware as anyone of the real workings of power in America. So what's he supposed to do? Tell Obama he's a prick and go home?
You just dont get it do you. Bill's thesis is about getting angry at systemic oppression. One cannot be "angry" and keep the lines of communication open at the same time. Unless of course, he is referring to a double standard, one for those of us on the street, and one for Bill.
Why dont you stop venting on people you disagree with?
> "One cannot be 'angry' and keep the lines of communication open at the same time."
You're not married, are you?
Do you apologist's ever think about the value of your assertions? If you are trying to tell us that Mckibben is married to the Democrat party and Obama, then you just made my point. Thank you, now go away...
Leezasky says: "So what's he supposed to do? Tell Obama he's a prick and go home?"
McKibbon cites contributions to Mitch McConnell from the fossil fuel sector which actually cover his entire tenure - $1,277,208 but he fails to mention the fact that Obama received $1,260,000 in just one election cycle - 2008, information found at the same website, dirtyenergymoney.com.
Another interesting figure: BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. (from politico.com, 2010)
So that's the gripe some of us have with McKibbon's approach to getting angry. He appears to be giving Obama slack simply because of the D next to his name. Why else? After all, Obama is the one who must make this decision.
This does not negate the good work McKibbon does. I admire him tremendously and thank him for his efforts and dedication.
As far as I can tell, if corporate money has highjacked the political process (and I believe it has) you, me, and Bill have two solutions. Either we build third parties not beholden to corporate cash, or we find creative ways to match corporate funds to counter their influence on public political entittes. In other words, we come up with enough cash that can re buy the system on our behalf so to compete with their hegmony on politicans. No other solutions is viable as far as I can tell, but I am willing to listen to others who have different and creative solutions. I see no solution in this piece by Mckibben that can render ineffective corporate money currently and no amount of screaming, carrying placards, or civil Disobedience will make it so, even though I support and participate in it.
I know of one group, Dreamchange, that is raising cash to pay off South American governments as an alternative to Big Oil cash to preserve the rain forest. If you want to render corporate cash impotent you need your own cash investments.
You seem to think that finding some way to really win elections is the only way to get social change. I disagree. The trade unions in the 30's, the civil rights marchers in the 60's, the gay activists in the 70's, the feminists, the peace movement, and many other examples, have NOT simply tried to figure out a good strategy for winning elections.
They have, instead, used all kinds of tactics to raise their issues, rally people to their causes, and force change on government, business, and in other parts of society. That's what McKIbben is talking about. They weren't running an election campaign at the White House, they were raising hell about an important issue, and it seems to have had an effect.
Nobody, I'm sure, thought the action at the White House would resolve the issue. It was a way of beginning a long fight, which they know damn well they might lose. But they went ahead anyway, because it's important and urgent, and somebody had to do something.
ekobe, you're still completely missing the message. I don't agree with everything McKibben says, but he's right about two things (where you've got your head in the sand). We can no more compete with corporate cash than we can rise up and fight off the US military (or out-chant a Buddhist monastery). And, the only real solution is to amend the constitution - and there is strong grass-roots momentum for that to happen.
Overwhelming majorities of Americans across the political spectrum are disgusted with the political process and believe that the corporate and banking elites have rigged the economy. From the Tea Party to OWS and across the heartland there are already dozens of efforts toward amendment, at the municipal, state and federal levels.
The fire is lit and the iron is hot - now is the time to strike the anvil of American democracy at the core. Complaining about McKibben is just a diversion, so I wonder what you're agenda really is.
Talk about sticking your head in the sand. You want to amend the constitution to void corporate cash but you have not explained how one does that via the current system. Since you need to first get the votes of current sitting politicians who are taking corrupt money and have them vote AGAINST the gravy train they are currently stashing away in their golden retirement funds. If you think that is going to happen you have even less common sense than does Mckibben. You dreamers all live in the same place... expressed nicely via metaphor in a former novel from the Theatre of the Absurd: Waiting For Godot.... good luck with that...
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I've been a big critic of McKibben's political obtuseness. At least this article shows that he's making some effort to finally "get it". That said, he's not there yet.
Civil Disobedience as a no starter?
I respectfully disagree.
Altering the flow of monies or stepping into the Economic Maelstrom to battle with the giants, seems like another form of civil disobedience, or it could just prove to be another big drain on society and culture advancement, once it is absorbed by the very forces it was meant to stand against.
Each and every player must begin to understand the social and cultural reality that we find ourselves in. Not an easy proposition and it is the difficulty of building this arc of understanding that hope resides, as particle as it is.
Still, across the globe the scene out side of doors may be very different than the one you might be witnessing. Bombs are going off in Iraq, Egypt is locked in civil turmoil as are numerous other countries across this biosphere. Brinkmanship is the ruling activity between the United States and Iran. Though our hope for peace has been trampled by an economic juggernaut bent on resource acquisition, it doesn't mean we should settle for leadership devoid of compassion and good science.
The Great Worm is turning and each and every individual will witness an aspect of this reality. In order to derive order from chaos where does humanity turn?
What must we do to replace the current evil, murderous system here? Voting only legitimizes and perpetuates it.
I voted for Obama the first time around but won't again. In fact I'm done voting because it is a useless exercise in our system such as it is.
As for the supreme court and trying to get and amendment. First they over turn a general election to allow into the office of President, a deviant criminal called Bush and look at the damage done, wars, constitutional rights to privacy GONE, torture and why can't the justices who voted for this change (Corporate personhood) to allow corporations to be People be recalled? Is there no way to get rid of these traitors? Is there nothing this president could have done to deal with them? That's what they are and it was a treasonous act against this nation and the constitution. Is there nothing to stop the supreme court now or in the future from giving away the nation to the highest bidders again? and if the answer is no what does that say about any chance of getting an amendment to undo their criminal activity now or in the future? They will never allow a constitutional amendment now on this, not without a civil war. See how serious this truly is for the nation? Am i over the top here or are people not getting what has happened? How far is anyone going to get in attempting to change this and not be seen as a terrorist and a threat to the corporate persons who control our military and police and be stowed away in a military prison forever? Without charge or hope of justice? Get real.
"Is there nothing this president could have done to deal with them?" there is no 'them'
"what does that say about any chance of getting an amendment" Amendments have come from the grass-roots before, sometimes stupidly (Prohibition). I think we have abundant evidence that nothing else is going to save the democracy, at the moment.
"How far is anyone going to get in attempting to change this" The subject of this article is the search for the 'naive'. Clearly, you're a cynic: you recognize the reality, and find it insurmountable. That basically describes me too. McKibben is looking for the naive, for whom nothing is unsurmountable. As useful as cynicism is for self-preservation, at some point it fulfills its own prophecies. No one in the 'Egyptian Spring' is operating at that level: they realize that they have to be, against all caution and reason, naive about what they want for their society. For God's sake, the guy that touched off the Arab Spring basically did so by TORCHING HIMSELF. How unreasonable is that? Well, if you want your country back, prepare to be unreasonable. Be naive. Imagine that you can, state by state, take the money out of politics, until the entire country is forced to go along. Nothing worth doing comes easy. Its sorta like slavery. People knew it was wrong, but cynics said 'what can you do?'. But that didn't make it right. You KNEW that eventually this issue would have to be confronted. And eventually, when it was, it nearly destroyed the nation. Sure, campaign finance reform is tough NOW. But, like ending slavery, putting it off doesn't actually make it go away. It just kicks it down the road and makes it tougher for the guy that actually HAS to resolve it.
Judging by your zeal I see you have a dog in this fight: can I call you Bill?
Um... we all have a dog in this fight.
Um, where did I say we did not?
What does "can I call you Bill?" mean then?
Thanks for some good sense. You have to start somewhere. Cynicism, as Marxists might say, is objectively speaking collaboration with the oppressors.
Like the "cynical" folks who knew it was impossible to fight the Germans once they had occupied France or Poland or Norway or Greece, and therefore stayed away from those "naive" resistance fighters. But at least those people knew they had no claim to be considered radical.
Too bad American cynics on the "left" can have it both ways: you can do nothing, mock people who try to do something, and, by insulting Bush or Obama, feel like a real radical. Only things is, you're just a collaborator after all.
Actually collaborators are those who vote year after year for the duopoly and decade after decade. Since you don't know what anyone who posts here has done in their personal life toward building third parties or actions that come with a personal cost, your presuppositions only make you look foolish.
I disagree. People who rant about the impossibility of change are singing the song of the oppressors. That's true no matter what kind of activism they may have taken part in before.
I seem to have encountered here a bunch of burnt out activists who have gotten tired and cynical. To them I can only say, don't undermine the people who are still up for the fight, stand aside and let them get on with it. Or better, forget your cynicism and join in.
BTW I am pretty old, but I'm not cynical, just seriously pissed off, like McKibbin.
The only rants here are yours. I am offering a robust historic claim. I have previously noted that it ought to be a part of the package. Why are you ignoring the entire context? I said that incremental change is the standard. What Mckibben is talking about is reducing carbon of an order of magnitude that far exceeds incremental change. What dont you understand about any of this juxtaposed against my previous posts?
The problem is, McKibben knows, as do most scientists and many millions of ordinary people, that "incremental" change is not going to do what is urgently necessary to stop the climate change we humans are causing.
Your "robust" claims about history are as nothing compared to the urgent need to stop the reckless drive towards climate disaster. McKibben is talking about what's necessary, you're talking about what the politicians would prefer to do. Two different matters entirely.
No. You are reading what I said out of context. I am afraid you are functioning under some hysterical archetype that sends you off half cocked and on a mission, and it is entirely an unconscious event you are unaware..
TROLL ALERT - DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL
Now I see. The troll and Dem apologist/courtier who uses numerous sign on identities to make declarations about not making declarations. Crawl back down the dank DNC hole whence you came from....
You have to start somewhere. McKibben has the right idea -- don't throw up your hands, spew some cheap venom at a prominent politician or two, and feel you've shown you're More Radical Than He.
Radicalism does not consist in ranting about the impossibility of change, or in calling politicians names. Radicalism expresses itself in collective, democratic action for social change, for democracy, against the domination of the rich over the rest.
Did you demonstrate at the White House? Did you demonstrate anywhere? Did you give money or other support to those who did? Or did you sit back and tell the world why nothing can change because our opponents are richer than we are, and you can't fight the rich.
Please, are you serious? Radical politician in the duopoly? That is the best laugh Ive had this week.
It appears you prefer cynical inaction to naive activism. That's exactly what the rich bastards want you to prefer. Have a nice day.