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Civility? Whatever. Capitulation? No Thanks.
Civility in politics is - pardon the anti-pun - all the rage nowadays.
Go figure. I guess assassinating members of the ruling class tends to have that kind of sobering effect.
So everyone's talking nicey-nice, certain members of Congress will be sitting together during this week's State of the Union despite their differing party affiliations, and most (but not quite) everybody has avoided calling each other Nazis for a week or two.
That's cool. You know, I'm all for civility in politics. I've been disgusted and sometimes horrified at what has become of our national discourse these last decades. A multi-draft-deferral war-avoider, for example, running for the US Senate by branding a triple-amputee Vietnam vet as weak on national security, an' all. Like that kind of incivility.
So yeah, can we and should we disagree more politely in American politics? How does whatshername put it? ‘You betcha.'
What I'm not down for, however, is civility that is actually a mask for capitulation.
Check out this sampling of headlines, from just one page (the front), of one newspaper (the New York Times), on one day (January 22, 2011):
"Obama Names G.E. Chairman To Fiscal Panel: A Pro-Business Signal by the White House"
"Tiny Species at Heat Risk, From Tropics to Peaks"
"Across Country, Lawmakers Push Abortion Curbs"
"In Tucson, Solace From Relatives of Past Killers"
"Olbermann Quits ‘Countdown'"
"CUNY Professor Threatened"
Get the picture, here? If the right is all of a sudden feeling more inclined toward civility in their conduct of American politics, maybe it's because they've won every battle they've engaged in these last decades.
And if the "left" continues its pattern of "civility" in their conduct of American politics, maybe it's because that's the name they've given to what is in fact just capitulation to the right.
Well, strike that. There's no maybe about it, actually. That's precisely what's happened.
And it pains me to see it.
It pains me to see that you can actually get away with running a political program for decades on end, in a democracy where everyone can vote no less, that is all about transferring the wealth of working people to the rich.
It pains me that the public is so dumb that you can steal their money and their quality of life, for decades on end, and successfully hide what you're doing behind attacks on gays, or minorities, or immigrants, or tin-pot dictators abroad.
It pains me that (alleged) people ranging from Joe McCarthy to Newt Gingrich to Glenn Beck to Sarah Palin to Rush Limbaugh could infect American politics with their endless stream of venom, bringing it to its knees, and the public's reaction to that is to decide that American politics is too angry and vitriolic in general. As though these folks had their lefty equivalent in - who? - Rachel Maddow? As though the vitriol were coming from both sides of the aisle.
And as though there even are two sides of the aisle, anymore.
In truth, there is. Kinda. Sorta. And peripherally. I do think there is a qualitative difference between Democrats and Republicans on issues of civil rights. And I think it highly unlikely that a Democrat would have plunged the country into the folly of Iraq in 2003. Even though it was America's most liberal president on domestic politics - Lyndon Johnson - who lied the country into its most debilitating war, I think it's fair to say that those days are over. Democrats are hardly different from Republicans on, say, ‘defense' spending or the Palestinian conflict, but I don't think they're as overtly war-hungry as the chickenhawks of the GOP, plain and simple.
But the defining issue of our times is not civil rights or a stupid-ass war in Iraq. Rather, it is instead the question of the distribution of wealth in our society. And on these matters, there is almost no difference anymore between the two parties.
Consider the first paragraph of the Times' "G.E. Chairman" article referenced above. It goes like this: "President Obama, sending another strong signal that he intends to make the White House more business-friendly, named a high-profile corporate executive on Friday as his chief outside economic adviser, continuing his efforts to show more focus on job creation and reclaim the political center."
I'm sorry. I must need to get my hearing-aid batteries checked. For a minute there it sounded like you said "make the White House more business-friendly"? You mean the White House of Larry Summers, the nice man whose policies in the last Democratic White House brought us a massive global recession? Do you mean the White House that bailed out Wall Street, one hundred cents on the dollar, from their outrageous scams but has left the rest of us hanging, losing our jobs, our houses and our unemployment safety net? Do you mean the White House that drafted a ridiculous health care legislative monstrosity in order to placate insurance companies, forcibly driving 35 million brand-new customers into their arms? That White House? You want to make those guys more business-friendly?
There's been only one issue that really matters in the thirty years since Ronald Reagan came to Washington, and that is the highly successful effort by the plutocracy to enrich themselves further by destroying the standard of living of the middle, working and poorest classes. All the debates concerning taxes and trade and labor rights and spending and regulation policy have been precisely about this single theme. And all the other debates about gay rights and Iraq and immigration and putting Christ back into Christmas have been peripheral matters to this core initiative, if not intentional distractions.
Astonishingly, this campaign has produced enormous success. And, since policies have consequences, these policies have had the consequence of directing almost every penny of the considerable growth in GDP sustained over the last thirty years into the hands of the rich, while everyone else slips into economic despair, or uses credit cards with usurious interest rates to barely keep their noses above water. I say "astonishingly", because you'd think that this development was the product of a non-democracy, because in a real democracy people would never stand for it. But in fact, that's exactly what's happened, with the compliance of the victims in this crime. We do get to actually vote for the people who make policy in this country, but we don't in fact choose candidates with our best interests at heart. In the most recent go-round, we picked a group of feral dog Republicans for our Congress even more obscene than the McCain-Boehner variety who impoverished the country only two years earlier.
So, no doubt Republicans are talking about civility in politics today. First, after Tucson their invective is unpopular even with astonishingly dumbed-down American voters. Second, they realize that bullets are now flying towards members of Congress and that they are, um, members of Congress themselves. But most importantly, there's hardly anything left to loot. As Warren Buffet so eloquently put it, after noting that he pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes than does his receptionist, "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning".
Yeah, I'm all for civility in politics. But not if it's a mask for capitulation. And that's more or less what I see in the American politics of the last generation or so. One "side" is just absolutely crazed-to-the-wall, seemingly unencumbered by any notion of civility, and absolutely destructive of democratic institutions and even government itself, in pursuit of its predatory agenda. Meanwhile, the other "side" pursues the almost identical set of economic politics, only with a nicer face and the endearing big toothy smile of a Barack Obama. But the outcomes are the same.
Those of us distraught at seeing the president punt on first down in his negotiations with the GOP thugs are making the fundamental error of seeing these conversations as actual negotiations. They are such only in the sense that one self-defining tribal faction wants to be the folks who get the perks from actually holding office and doing the bidding of the overclass, rather than allowing the other faction to perform that role. But substantively? Nah. Obama's not ‘folding' in ‘negotiations' because he is not starting out anywhere fundamentally different than his ‘opponents' in these conversations. They both want the same outcome, give or take a dollar or two here and there. They both have to manage their public images in order to appeal to their respective voting bases, while in reality simultaneously serving the same puppet-masters.
In this context, the current blah-blah over civility is just another side show, just another diversion.
And, in any case, civility is over-rated. While I agree that it is rarely necessary to employ the sort of ugly ad hominem attacks out of which the likes of Limbaugh have spun an entire career and a small fortune, what is truly lacking in our politics in not civility, but in fact passion. And honesty.
If I believed that the right in America had the interests of the world, or even just the American people, truly at heart, it would be one thing. But I don't at all. I know instead that their interest is actually in destroying us folks if it is necessary in the process of looting us. Does that deserve the sort of faux civility we arguably practice far too much? We weren't called upon to be nice to the Japanese after they killed about 3,000 of us in a surprise attack, were we? Why am I called upon to treat with respect millionaires and billionaires and the politician whores they've bought, when their goal is at least as destructive?
Does that seem like a far-fetched claim? "Worse the Pearl Harbor", you say? To the hand-wringing centrists in this country, still desperately clinging for reasons of their own precarious emotional well-being to the prevailing ‘civility' narrative, it's a ridiculous statement.
Fine. I say, tell it to the perhaps one million dead Iraqis. Tell it to a million dead Americans, the victims of gun violence over the last generation's time. Tell it to the rapidly proliferating number of species across the planet we are speedily eradicating. Tell it to the American children who can't get health care or a decent education because public money has been redirected to tax cuts for the rich or ‘defense' boondoggles of every sort. Tell it to the massive chunk of our population - a greater percentage than in any country in the world - behind bars in order to serve a for-profit prison industry. Tell it to the million of unemployed Americans whose jobs have been shipped overseas where labor is cheap and goon squads ‘disincentivize' organizing into unions. Tell it to African farmers who starve to death because they can't compete with subsidized American corporate agriculture. For that matter, tell it to the American family farmer. If you can find one.
You know, it's bad enough being screwed. But it's far worse to be screwed and to have to pretend it's just an honest policy difference between well-meaning patriots with two divergent but equally legitimate and public-spirited positions on these issues.
It's well past time to be blunt about our situation. Indeed, we cannot even hope to ameliorate it if we cannot even begin by labeling it.
The truth is that there are economic predators out there seeking to take what we have so that they can live ever wealthier lives while ours are short, nasty and brutish because of their institutionalized and legalized theft.
Victims of these crimes can choose to treat their assailants with civility if they want.
I'm not interested.


37 Comments so far
Show Alli say good show ol' chap
mr green is on the money here and his arguments are self-evident
except they do not go far enough for me
there is only one party in dc - they are beholden to the banks and the rockefeller/rothschild bank debt machine - period
nothing else matters to them, except lining their own pockets and making sure they get a nice place to land after they disappear from the stage
david icke calls them the suits that come and go
personally i have long ago given up the hope that the sheeple would or could wake up - damn that rockefeller medication
ok folks back to the sports channel and remember - the economy is on the rebound, recovery is just around the corner, hang in there, it won't belong
a few more weeks.....
This is an excellent contribution. Thanks !!
Can anyone see ANY reason why this comment was flagged?
Visiting Professor's comment sticks to the issues, and includes several points of agreement with David Michael Green. It also augments Green's effort by adding some useful information at the end.
Granted, it does criticize apologist organizations and individuals, but about 90% of the people on this site do, too. (Besides, Green's whole theme is that "there is almost no difference anymore between the two parties" on the most important issues affecting us.)
VP doesn't attack any other commenter on CD, or use any language that is inappropriate.
What is going on here? Do people flag comments just to harrass others?
"Civility in politics is - pardon the anti-pun - all the rage nowadays.
Go figure. I guess assassinating members of the ruling class tends to have that kind of sobering effect"
kudos for your straight talk, Mr. Greene.
i agree with everything you say here.
in a few seconds, moles will show up and accuse me of inciting terrorism and violence.
The people who are calling for "civility" are confusing two issues: "lack of civility" and "criminality".
And they are creating the confusion quite purposefully, to take people's attention off the real issues.
Murder and attempted murder are NOT "lack of civility". They are crimes and should be treated as such.
Encouraging people to assassinate an abortion doctor, a member of Congress, Julian Assange or anyone else is not "lack of civility". It is crime.
Bundling up bogus mortgages, giving them a AAA rating and selling them off to unsuspecting investors is not "lack of civility". It's crime.
Torturing people is not "lack of civility". It's crime.
Those who are crying loudest for "civility" are the same ones who want us to "look forward, not backward" -- ie, to simply forget about all the crimes.
When you call a murderer a murderer, is that being "un-civil"?
When you call a banker who has robbed the public blind a "bankster", is that being "un-civil"?
When you call a politician who promised one thing and di the opposite a "liar", is that being "un-civil"?
When you call those who have outsourced your job and robbed your future "dirty rotten scum" is that being "un-civil"?
Or just truthful?
There are those who obviously don't like the truth because it means they will actually be held to account for their CRIMINAL actions.
Is it surprising that these folks are now the very ones calling for "civility"?
Good post, but one quibble.
Can we all please make an effort to avoid the term "abortion doctor"? Dr. Tiller was a doctor. I think he was a gynecologist, not sure. But the term "abortion doctor" is a creation of the people who are doing the murdering. After all, do we call cardiologists "heart attack doctors"? Should we call geriatricians "death panelists?"
Excellent point, chaokoh!
On a related note, you may be familiar with the recent scandalous and horrific news about Dr. Kermit Gosnell, allegedly a monstrous butcher (no offense to butchers) who operated a Philadelphia abortion clinic and turned it into a fetal (and maternal) killing floor.
With all due respect to the presumption of innocence, if the charges prove to be true, Gosnell joins history's Rogue's Gallery of heinous, reprehensible professional serial-killers.
If it hasn't happened already-- I don't keep my ear to the compulsory-childbirth crowd's grapevine-- I'm certain that Gosnell will be turned into the Poster Child and personification of the unremitting Evils of Abortion.
They'll have to squeeze him into the photo gallery of gory clinical photographs of aborted fetuses, but I'm sure they'll find room.
Sorry, but "abortion doctor" is a pretty accurate label for someone who performs that particular operation.
Sure, we don't call people who treat heart attack victims "heart attack doctors" but we do call them "heart surgeons" -- because we title the doctor after the PRECEDURE that they perform.
Same with "brain surgeon".
Gynecologist is a little too general for this case, since lots of gynecologists probably don't even perform abortions.
We do call the place where these procedures are performed "abortion clinics", do we not? (most people do anyway) So why is that acceptable and "abortion doctor" not? That's simply illogical.
The term "abortion doctor" would seem to be only a problem for someone who has a problem with abortion.
And I don't.
Sorry, but that's the way it is and I will continue to use that moniker because it is accurate and there is nothing whatsoever wrong with it.
I disagree.
I would say that those who use the term have a problem with abortion.
I'm not sure how this works in the US but I imagine, abortions are not all these doctors do and yet you don't call them 'pregnancy advice doctor' or 'child delivery doctor' or whatever.
My father has been a gynecologist for over 40 years and that's exactly what he is, despite having performed the odd abortion during his career. He's delivering babies, doing ultrasounds, performing all sorts of prenatal tests, offering nutritional advice to pregnant women and fertility treatment etc.
Especially since abortion is such an issue in the US 'abortion doctor' is a loaded term and has a stigmatizing effect. And that's what the people who coined th e term want - to stigmatize those who don't hide behind god or whatever nonsense is being wheeled out in support of banning abortion and instead offer a service that is part of the field of gynecology.
Thanks. My point exactly. Gynecologists don't want to perform abortions any more than EMT's want to use a defibrillator on someone. They do what is needed based on the situation and on the DOCTOR AND PATIENT AGREEMENT, which is nobody else's goddam business.
Jimbojangles, You say:
"We do call the place where these procedures are performed "abortion clinics", do we not? (most people do anyway)"
I don't. I call women's health clinics "women's health clinics". I don't give a shit if you call them abortion clinics. That's your problem. I doubt that most people call them abortion clinics, except for the churchy brainwashed immoral minority, who are not "most people" as you claim.
But....
a Google search o f "abortion clinics" turns up (at the very top) "Abortion.com" A Listing of Doctor's Offices and Facilities Offering Abortion Care
http://www.abortion.com/index.php
Incidentally, this is a site devoted to providing information to women about where to get abortions (not for the "churchy brainwashed immoral minority" as you call them.)
Go to the site and click on a state (any state) where it says "select by a state".
Note what they call the clinics where abortions are performed: "Alabama Abortion Clinics", "Alaska Abortion Clinics", etc.
..and a Google search on "abortion clinic" turns up "Abortion Clinics OnLine" (ACOL) is a directory service comprised of websites of over 400 providers of abortion services and other reproductive healthcare.
http://www.gynpages.com/"
..again for the purpose of providing information to patients.
Look, you obviously think I am very misguided (and undoubtedly a "churchy brainmwahsed individual" too [I'm an atheist, for what it's worth :) ] ) in calling them "abortion clinics" and "abortion doctors", but that does not change the simple FACT that lots of others who are simply providing information about women's health services call them that as well. Maybe it's not "most", but it's clearly a lot more than just the "churchy brainmwahsed individuals".
But rather than wasting your time arguing about that here, you might want to take that up with those folks. Might I suggest you contact the sites above? :)
Is war a civil activity?
psssst, the moles will report you to the proper authority, which can lead to lockup.
Yes, if it's a civil war.
This article emphasizes a point, about where the blame lay. Tis that generation of my father, born out of the depression era, the ones that created the cornball baby boomer generation.
Those 'old folks' many who have already passed on, without a hint of guidance, or conscience, toward the now ruling baby boomer generation. In fact they taught the hatred and death, their silly tantrums remind me of ancient generations that did the same, to the point of death, domination, cold blooded passions with spice.
And it is to this generation of bile I refer, and bluntly say: you have your reward. And to the baby boomers...you have your reward. And to the kids this day, I'll share with ya what I have, seek deeply of Truth, and I'll lose you to the cold blooded passionate ones, expecting one day your return to honour.
Live your honour, such as this David Green has instructed.
As for that fellow Bradley Manning, he should be prosecuted immediately for treason, he obviously forsake his post. And he should be pardoned in same breath of treason sentence, immediately pardoned I demand, as whistleblowing patriot that he is, willingly standing on Truth & Honour in the face of death, domination, cold blooded passions with spice.
whocares;)
This essay nicely desconstructs the misguided, wrong-headed rush to affirm Pollyannaish, panglossian "civility" that obscures the truism, "if you're not angry, you're not paying attention".
"I think it highly unlikely that a Democrat would have plunged the country into the folly of Iraq in 2003."
Well, Clinton intervened in a major way in the remnants of Yugoslavia. The last Democrat to avoid a major war was Carter, and only Carter and JFK qualify for the last century ...
Liberman proved himself to be just a vicious as Cheney. Gore was complicit with all of Clinton's War Crimes. DMG still thinks we have a democracy--The USA has never been one--and the candidates we're allowed to vote for running for national office have actual differences--meaning different sponsors with different policy goals.
May thanks to DM Green for describing what has been happening and for identifying an ignorant electorate as the reason it has been allowed to happen.
I deeply regret turning this mess over to my grandchildren.
Jim Shea
That's all the rich class does is war.
"and the endearing big toothy smile of a Barack Obama. "
All the better to eat you with my dears.
Super essay Prof DMG!
RE "PUBLIC" VIEW THAT POLITICS ARE TOO ANGRY "IN GENERAL"
"and the public's reaction to that is to decide that American politics is too angry and vitriolic in general."
A recent Gallup poll showed that, whereas almost 30% of Republicans polled thought inflammatory political language played some part in Arizona, extremely few Republicans thought linking Arizona to right wing speech was "legitimate" vs. a way of making the right look bad.
Why the split, beyond sheer party loyalty? Because the flip side of today's edge-of-violence right wing language is the angry and/or self-pitying right wing allegation that all sides practice it.
Liberals calling for civility have either been infected by this propaganda, or, as suggested in the article, find the idea a convenient excuse to mask their timidity.
This article and Chis Hedges' are good. I'd only say in referene to Hedges' that while do need to have civil disobedience as an option, I'm not sure it's absolutely the only one. We must not take off the table at all in the least. Both articles are saying are saying our side has done a lot appeasing, and it hasn't worked. The types who favor the current hierarchal system don't need to know we will give in so easily. We need to act as if we won't compromise at all right now. We've done too much of that already, and it hasn't just been compromise of tactics and strotegy. It's been on principles we should never compromise on. We need to have a more clear cut idea of our goals. How about a level playing field, compassion, and doing for others as a standard for all in this country. That's what Francis Fox Piven was to a degree which so enraged Glenn "the fruit cake" Beck. If Beck got uptight about that and got his knickers in twist about that, let's see what this jack ass does when we all tell him we're with her all the way.
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As I have said before and it isn't just one of the 2 facades posing as opposition parties, it is both, that chime in calling for civility. Doing so puts most into that mode thinking that that is what is appropriate for solving these multiple problems 'nagging' this country and the world, when in fact it is the ruse of rendering the citizens more inert as it is easier to slap, hit, abuse, steal from, rape, hurt and kill them once they are 'docilized'. Definitely easier to march them into the showers.
Remember also, that it was one of those 'mega' bankers that fraudulently got, the insidious central bank, federal reserve act of 1913 passed, who stated that no matter what, one day there will be only one government, one economy and one money that will rule the world. It was either or both the rockerfellers warburgs and the rothchilds. They're the 'chairmen' of the board crafting the idea and agendas for the one world government.
"""Another quote by Paul Warburg is even more fascinating :
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” -James Paul Warburg, whose family co-founded the Federal Reserve – while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950"""
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/do-banksters-and-the-military-industrial-complex-rule-the-world/
I love you, Mr. Green.
No major changes in our society have ever come about through civility, only through courageous self-sacrifice and sometimes the willingness to suffer violence for the sake of principle.. Think civil war, the suffragette movement, the rise of unions, the civil rights movement.
And so, what to do?
Petitions and rallies (which George W. Bush dismissed as “focus groups”), even chaining onseself to fences, are well-intentioned, toothless gestures that can give protesters the illusion they are doing something. These are not the 1960s and Congress and the President don’t give a s*it about them. All they and their corporate paymasters care about are votes and money. And since they figure that the two-party dupoly eliminates alternatives to the Democrats and Republicans, they believe we have nowhere else to go.
And so, if you are not a millionaire or a large corporation, the only ways you can affect government policy nowadays are:
1) form and work within a new, aggressive political organization, especially a new political party;
2) at the state level (to bypass the useless whores in the Congress and White House), pass referenda, especially binding referenda;
3) alter state constitutions where necessary to permit binding referenda;
4) pickets and boycotts of selected corporations and other businesses;
5) strikes, including general strikes;
6) large-scale civil disobedience.
To be effective, steps 2-6 must be preceded by step 1.
Do not initiate violence, as that provides the establishment with its justification for counter-violence and an escalation of punitive and repressive measures against the public, and you will be seen as the bad guys. However, if steps 1) - 6) begin to work, our government will feel threatened and will engage in various unconstitutional, even violent actions against us in order to defeat our tactics. And then we will need to defend ourselves as best we can while the general public increasingly sees the government for what it is, a criminal entity that has broken its compact with the people. And then . . .
Nanoo
Good one David. With all the awards going on, I think it would be fitting to award all the acting done in Washington.
DMG has been cookin away in the oven of american politics and has been almost done for some time now.
He just had a teeny-tiny ways to go.
Hey, I'd say he's finally done to near perfection. DMG is one smart cookie.
So, the lefties are spineless, wuzzes. What else is new?
fake left is, not the real ones.
There has been a long-running discussion about the Republican and Democratic parties being one and the same. I look at it as the two parties being the same snake, with the Republican party being the head of the snake. Striking the head of the snake is more difficult and dangerous, and striking the tail of the snake makes you feel brave for even striking at all. But while you argue that its all just a part of the same snake, ask yourself, which end do you need to strike in order to kill it?
IMSLOAN --
I know this is all metaphor but as an admirer of snakes and reptiles for my entire life -- please give them a break.
They don't deserve to be killed from either end, and certainly don't deserve the opprobrium of being linked to the Repocratic Party.
Even venomous species try to mind their own business, and contribute invaluable services to rodent control. By controlling rats, etc. -- snakes mitigate crop destruction, food despoliation, and disease vectors (think bubonic plague, etc.).
So let's give a shout out to snakes and leave them be.
Take the hoe & machete to the Repocrats.
Obama's not ‘folding' in ‘negotiations' because he is not starting out anywhere fundamentally different than his ‘opponents' in these conversations. They both want the same outcome, give or take a dollar or two here and there. They both have to manage their public images in order to appeal to their respective voting bases, while in reality simultaneously serving the same puppet-masters.
Yup. DMG is on top of it in this one.
Working hard to explain this to people who think 'Obama is trying to do the right thing.'
A friend the other day complained, "why is Obama constantly being had?"
Nope. Obama is not being had, I opined. WE are being had.
from the article:
~ It pains me to see that you can actually get away with running a political program for decades on end, in a democracy where everyone can vote no less, that is all about transferring the wealth of working people to the rich. ~
it pains me to read this sentence, as it indicates the author either believes his thinking has reached bottom, when it has not, or knows his thinking has yet to reach bottom, but has chosen not to pursue his thinking to such depths, but, rather, to remain in disingenuous equilibrium, and, worse, to keep his audience there, as well......
obviously, the violent tactics of those ruling are the effective ones, and the non-violent tactics of the rest of us are not effective...
obviously, voting means nothing...
from the article:
~ It pains me to see that you can actually get away with running a political program for decades on end, in a democracy where everyone can vote no less, that is all about transferring the wealth of working people to the rich. ~
it pains me to read this sentence, as it indicates the author either believes his thinking has reached bottom, when it has not, or knows his thinking has yet to reach bottom, but has chosen not to pursue his thinking to such depths, but, rather, to remain in disingenuous equilibrium, and, worse, to keep his audience there, as well......
obviously, the violent tactics of those ruling are the effective ones, and the non-violent tactics of the rest of us are not effective...
obviously, voting means nothing...