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Texas Set to Possibly Execute Another Innocent Man Today
The bloody-minded, death-obsessed state of Texas, which has already demonstrably executed at least one innocent man, Cameron Todd Willingham (who was falsely accused and ultimately killed by the state for the alleged arson "murder" of his two little children when in fact they'd died because of a fire caused by an electrical fault), is about to execute yet another probably innocent man today.
This time it's Hank Skinner, 47, who has spent 16 years on the state's bustling death row protesting his innocence in the 1993 New Year's Eve murder of his girlfriend, Twila Busby, and her two sons, aged 20 and 22.
The thing about Skinner's case is it would be relatively easy to prove whether or not he was really the killer of the three. There are two bloody knives that have never been tested for Skinner's DNA--or for the DNA of Twila's uncle, the man who had reportedly made several unwanted sexual advances at her earlier that evening, leading her to leave a party early, and who Skinner claims is the real killer. Nor was semen that was found on Twila Busby, who was raped, or skin found under her fingernails, ever DNA tested to see who they belonged to.
There were, to be sure, plenty of circumstantial reasons at the time of the trial to suspect Skinner. It is undisputed that he had been drunk and passed out on the couch in Busby's house shortly before the murders, which occurred in the same room he was in. The drunken Skinner also staggered from the home in Pampa, TX, his hands bloodied, following the killings. But Skinner maintains that he had cut his hand, falling off the couch, and that the blood was his own. He says he had woken up to find Busby and her sons already dead.
Incredibly, police investigators at the crime scene never took fingernail clippings from Busby, nor did they take a vaginal swab at the scene, though she had clearly struggled and had apparently been raped.
Skinner's court-appointed trial attorney could and clearly should have sought that DNA testing before or even during his trial, but didn't bother to do so--no surprise, given the low quality of public defender representation provided in Texas, especially at that time. (Incredibly, that defense attorney, Harold Comer, was the same person who, as a district attorney, had earlier had prosecuted Skinner for two minor crimes--assault and car theft! Comer had subsequently lost his prosecutor's post when he pleaded guilty to mishandling cash seized in drug cases his office had handled. Somehow, the great state of Texas didn't deem that offense sufficient to cancel his law license, or to prevent him from getting court-assignments defending capital cases like Skinner's.)
But Skinner's current appellate lawyer, Rob Owen, a University of Texas law professor, says that's no reason not to do those tests today, to settle the matter once and for all--before Skinner is executed.
For the past eight years, though, Skinner's prosecutors, with the backing of state and federal courts, have successfully blocked his efforts to get that DNA testing. The resistance of the prosecutors to testing in itself should make appellate judges, parole boards, and the state's governor suspicious. Instead, they have all so far backed the prosecution. Why? What are they afraid of? That Skinner will be shown to be innocent? That other prisoners will demand DNA testing? And then the question has to be: And what's wrong with that?
Skinner and his attorney Owen earlier this month asked the US Supreme Court to block the execution and to order testing. As Owen told the Los Angeles Times, "In any investigation today, all of this evidence would have been tested for DNA. But why not do the testing now?" Today, the high court announced it was rejecting that appeal, meaning Skinner will be executed later in the day.
The justices on the Supreme Court should have listened, on March 19, to six men who had spent a collective 67 years on death rows for crimes they were later able to prove they did not commit, These men had gathered to call on Texas to do the right thing, and allow time for DNA testing of the evidence in Skinner's case.
Curtis McCarty, who himself spent 21 years on Oklahoma's death row waiting to die, only to finally get DNA testing of evidence that finally proved his innocence, says, "When evidence is available to be tested, it is criminal and unconstitutional not to test it."
McCarty is right. But the Supreme Court, and lower courts in both the federal and the Texas state system, as well as in the state courts of many other states, don't care about justice. They only care about "process." In their view, if a defendant doesn't raise an issue--like DNA testing of evidence--during a trial, even if the reason is an inept or perhaps even conflicted attorney as in Skinner's case, the opportunity has been missed, and there's no going back. In the view of these "justices" and judges, it is better to let an innocent man be killed by the state, than to have to violate the sanctity of protocol.
The gratuitously cruel attitude of the state of Texas, where the court of appeals rejected Skinner's request for DNA testing, and where Gov. Rick Perry has been unwilling to intervene, has been clearly illustrated in its treatment of Skinner's wife, Sandrine Ageorges-Skinner, who has for 21 months been barred from visiting her husband on death row, on the technicality that she is a foreigner (she is a French national). Within days of Skinner's execution, through the intercession of the French Consulate in Texas, she has been allowed to see Skinner, but the warden has retaliated against this order from above by shaking down his cell repeatedly.
Skinner came within a week of execution in February, when a state judge delayed the date for a month to allow his appeal to the US Supreme Court.
At this point Skinner's only hope is a reprieve by Gov. Perry. To take action on this outrageous case, and call on Gov. Perry to grant Skinner's reasonable request to have the evidence in his case DNA tested, go now, without delay, to:
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Sioux Rose
Stanley: These are separate issues and topics. By making it about Obama, you set up a "team" orientation. You're putting policy set into motion by Obama's predecessor, and then continued by the new misleader, as ONLY Obama's baby. Both parties serve the MIC/big pharma/Wall St/media complex. And while slaughter is what's on the menu, and the wars a most insidious fiction (inclusive of the class war that's so profoundly underway)... the failed justice system deserves its own scrutiny. Hence Mr. Lindorff's important expose.
I do apologize if I sounded like it was just about Obama but I thought that there are connections in all of this. A lot has crossed my mind as I read through the health care bill and run into feedback from others on health care and sex education in other nations. I don't know what is driving me nuts but comparing the German system of regulation albeit mandate vs the US system of mandates but no regulating the companies after I was given non-political information on the German system, a young Canadian on another progressive site discussing how safe sex education and single payer go hand in hand compared to the US having abstinence only education while this same government completely washes its hands off of healthcare and throws everyone to the insurance wolves, being recently informed that even South Africa despite the US-backed apartheid goes from no universal care to a hybrid of public and private systems while the US enters its own apartheid, and the biggest breaking news on half of the public schools here in Kansas City, MO closing making it to national news has given me so much to wonder about. I know Texas has undergone changes for the worse ever since I left that state years ago but I don't think that it is alone. Hank killing his own girlfriend and her two children made me wonder what he and millions like him would be like if only they had been given the same kind of sex education just like in Canada. Educating people on relationships is very important and until we have a government that stops their "no government backed X care" mantra, executing people like Hank openly or people via denying their coverage on abortion just sweeps the problem under the rug.
Apology accepted.
But you are writing as though you accept that Skinner is guilty. The point is that his trial was tainted by the conflict of interest of his defense attorney and former prosecutor (see the article above), who really should have been disbarred for the problem that led to his being removed as a prosecutor.
And then there is the issue of why the prosecution has so vigorously opposed having the evidence DNA tested for the past 8 years. And why the courts have supported this effort.
The point is, it would be fairly easy to make sure that Skinner is really guilty, or that he probably is not guilty. Just test the blood on the knives and the semen to see whose they really are.
By the way, if Skinner really did kill his girl friend AND her two adult sons, he's much more than a misogynist. He's a cold-blooded killer of men and a woman.
Dave
Visit Dave Lindorff's website at www.thiscantbehappening.net
Dave, thanks for the heads up on this. I have written Gov. Perry and urged him to allow for the DNA testing to be done. This is absolutely unexcusable. Unfortunately, Perry, like many of the state's district attorneys, seems to like building his resume' on the number of dead "criminals" they have brought to execution.
That these people refer to themselves as "Christians" would be laughable if it were not so tragic.
I hope Perry does the right thing, but I'm certainly not optimisic.
I live in the Austin area (I think you do too?) and I will bet you my house against a nickel that Perry will not "do the right thing." That chances of that are so remote that few computers would have enough decimal places to the right of the zero to properly represent them. When I heard that Perry was supporting the program to vaccinate girls to protect them from HPV, which sounded like a bold and possibly progressive move, I knew something had to be up as it is impossible for Perry to ever "do the right thing." Sure enough, he had a relationship with the pharmaceutical company, Merck, that was selling the vaccines.
Perry is one of the most predictable politicians on the planet.
Hi Kivals! No, I don't currently live in Austin, but Austin is my home town. We moved to East Texas (very unfortunately) back in 2001. Trying hard to get back!
Rick Perry seems to have his hero in Bu$h junior. This guy is about as immoral as anyone could be, yet he, like Bu$h, Tom DeLay, et al have the gall to call themselves "Christians."
When Bu$h was governer, I wrote a letter protesting the execution of Karla Tucker. I was unaware of the Willingham case until it was too late, but wrote Perry a letter of condemnation after I learned of the case and his efforts to cover up the evidence that he very likely executed an innocent man. I have written him a letter regarding today's pending execution as well.
WHen I wrote Bu$h, he replied with a letter telling me that he would pray for Ms. Tucker and her family. I'm sure that made both her and her family feel much better. Rick Perry hasn't acknowledged anything I have written him about.
The district attorneys of this state try to build their careers on top of the pile of dead bodies they build through the use of the death penalty. I used to live in Williamson County to the north of Austin, and the DA there was a blood hungry tyrant. Prick Perry is not any different.
I just wonder if there is a possibility that the District Judge in Houston, the one who wrote that the death penalty is unconstitutional could weigh in on this case? Whatever happens, I hope that he does get a reprieve and the state will proceed with DNA testing. That would not only assure justice, but slap Perry down at the same time.
I used to live in the Lubbock area when I lived in the state. I wonder which part of Texas is nuttier these days, Eastern or Northern?
Stanley, there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two. Both Lubbock and Tyler are fairly large cities, but both still live in the days of Prohibition and don't allow the sale of alcohol. Both east and west (and north and south) are havens for Christian fundies, and both are populated by reichwing republikkkans.
The only oasis is the Austin area, which remains fairly progressive. The remainder of the state longs for the days of the Civil War it seems.
Don't forget El Paso. It may not be as liberal as Austin but it's heavily blue.
I have only been through El Paso once in my life. We drove through there a few years back on the way to Arizona. It was really smoggy when we went through (I assume from the industry over in Juarez) but looked as though it could be really pretty. I didn't know it was a progressive area, but was aware that the majority on the city council wanted to initiate a review of U.S. drug policy due to the violence in Juarez. That was good news, so I could see where you might have quite a few progressive minded folks.
East Texas? My gosh. My wife is Chinese and our son is mixed race so I am frankly afraid to even travel over there.
Williamson County DA -- John Bradley, one of the most bloodthirsty prosecutors in the state. I met him a number of years ago and he seemed like a pleasant enough fellow, but he is a nut. Perry appointed him to be the head of the Texas Forensics Commission to cut off the investigation into the Willingham arson case.
I doubt the district judge in Houston, who obviously has no jurisdiction, would want to bring on himself more fire by commenting about this case. Texas is so hopeless in this area, and so many other areas, it can be extremely discouraging. As backwards as the US is, Texas is the US squared.
Yeah..."deep" east Texas...about 35 miles from the Louisiana border. Fortunately, my daughters live in San Marcos and I have a lot of friends living in the Austin/Round Rock area, so there are a lot of opportunities to visit. Hey, maybe we can get together and grab a beer sometime when I get back!
When I was living in Williamson Co. (Liberty Hill), the DA was Ken Anderson. I saw the guy filling his vehicle a few times at the Wag-a-Bag and the temptation to walk over and pop him in the nose was overwhelming. He had the most evil smile (when he did smile) that I have ever seen on a person's face.
The US Supreme Court issued a stay, as reported about 6 PM CDT.
Bradley seems like a fairly normal, well-adjusted guy when you meet him. But when you read about the cases he has tried, he sounds like some sort of depraved fiend.
As for the beer, I work in the middle of town but live well outside of town (East on 71, in Bastrop County), so grabbing some lunch would work better for me if you are going to be in town sometime and want to chat.
Thanks for the good news!!! I hope that the state will, if nothing else, be ordered to process the DNA evidence in this case. Obviously, Gov. Prick has matters of more concern to *HIS* well being than the life of some ordinary person. Bastard!!!
Hey, you have a killer cafe there in Bastrop. Check out Maxine's sometime. We come into Austin on Hwy.21 and go through Bastrop and do part of the way on 71, so whatever works for you my friend. I would enjoy meeting you and spending some time talking over matters of importance:) Surely we will make a difference, lol. I'll buy the beer...at least.
Take care Kivals!
Sounds like it might work out. I do live to the West of the 21-71 intersection. You can email me at jmkivals@yahoo.com sometime when you plan on actually coming through.
Thanks Kivals. You can do the same. My email is aussidawg2@yahoo.com. I would enjoy the heck out of meeting you and talking something besides the horseshit I have to endure daily in E. Tx.
Hey man, I'll be in touch...be it on my bike or my wife's car:)
Look forward to meeting you amigo.
kivals March 24th, 2010 5:07 pm -- Yeah, Williamson County is legendary even down here in South Texas for the convict-at-all-costs attitude of its prosecutors and judges. I had a sex abuse case there some years ago and Jana McCown, the assistant district attorney handling the case under Ken Anderson, stated she didn't like me, and refused to talk to me about the case, after I questioned the validity of polygraph examinations in general and the DPS polygraph exam of my client in particular (it was really an interrogation and he refused to confess, which angered McCown). She refused to discuss the case with me after that. I've never experienced anything like that anywhere else in Texas. The grand jury no-billed after I told them by letter about McCown's conduct. Anderson refused to do anything when I complained to him about McCown.
Another client of mine from there, who was on probation, got a stiff jail sentence for puffing on a marihuana cigarette with his Austin friends on the fourth of July (everybody smokes in Austin, I think). One of the nicest kids you could ever meet, if a little slow upstairs.
Manning120, I know Ken Anderson well. I used to live in Williamson County (as well as Corpus Christi for 15 years) and know the bastard DA well.
I did a lot of land development work in Williamson Co., and as such, spent many hours in the Williamson County Clerk's office. I heard of many minor cases, such as a bounced check, where Anderson would hound the "perpetrator" to death. For one returned check, they had to pay not only restitution, but pay for a class in managing personal finance. I also knew of a person who upon the first DWI conviction was required to put an alcohol interlock system in their vehicle (at their expense), lose his license for 1 year, and do community service on top of the jail time they had served. While living in Corpus Christi, I recall an article in the "Corpus Christi Caller-Times" that the Williamson County Sheriff's Dept. was stoppin people 15 at a time by using a helicopter timing the vehicles. They had 15 vehicles stopped at one time...for violating the 55 mph. Fed. law. Another incident yet, while I was living in the sorry county, I reported a pickup that had run off the road, over a cliff, and into the North Fork San Gabriel River river about 1-3 feet in depth during the wet season. The sheriff's dept. asked that I meet them at a store and show them the accident site. Well, this was about two hours after passing the accident and I told them the truck may have been towed. When we got to the accident scene, the truck was gone, but the local fire department said the evidece showed an accident. No matter, the sheriff's dept. harrased me, accused me of smoking marijuana (which I hadn't but don't oppose), accused me of drunk driving (after they followed me to the scene) and harrassed my daughters who were 7 years old at the time. Sorry for the language, but *FUCK* Williamson County, Texas.
The ignert folk of Williamson County hate their neighbors in adjoining Travis County because "they're a bunch of dope smoking hippies." Fuck you Georgetown, and that goes to the rest of your pathetic, hypocritcal county.
aussidawg March 24th, 2010 9:22 pm -- Enjoyed your comment. We Texans do get riled up, don't we?
I notice you don't have stories about Nueces or other South Texas counties. Neither do I, even though I have much more experience with Nueces and surrounding counties. This seems to validate the conclusion that Williamson County is anomalous.
Absolutely Manning120, and yep, Williamson County never fails to get my hackles up:)
I do have some stories of Nueces County, but they are positive. I remember coming back from Padre Island one day and stopping at a Maverick Market in Flour Bluff. There was a guy who literally crawled out of the passenger side of a truck and fell flat on his face drunk in front of a Corpus Christi cop. In Williamson County, he would have been cuffed and hauled to jail. But the Corpus cop just cracked up laughing and helped the guy get on his feet. Same with Nueces Co. Sheriff and Constable's Office. Never had a bad run in with any of them and they have always treated me with the utmost courtesy and respect.
I miss living down there and miss the coast. Maybe someday I will find myself back down there.
Take care Manning:)
Interesting. I never met McCown, but it sounds like the Williamson County DA's office is a good fit for her.
Stanley,
The point here is that that Hank Skinner might not have killed her. Or he might have. The State wants to execute him, yet won't do the DNA tests.
I remember seeing a similar case in 2000 and that TX case went national not to mention spilling into politics on the issue of death penalty. Gary Graham was executed based on only one eye witness. This scary system of doing it all "faith based" is what I find in common with the TX justice system, CA's 3 strikes law, and a lot of our national policies including wars, health care, and education.
Funny, it didn't sound so off-topic when I read it earlier but it's their call.
Sioux Rose
For these despicable counterfeits of would-be justice, the universal law of karma, sacrosanct, will not be mocked. The way one treats others is eventually what returns to them. That such mean-spirited, justice-despising persons sit in positions of legal authority inverts the very meaning of justice. Like so many things in modern America, truth has gone completely out of the equations of meaning. Our money has become a fiction, a currency undermined by the financial weapons of mass destruction that now, like a polluted tide, wash over and through it. Our premise of national/homeland security is a farce; for if a nation elects to trespass against its neighbors, how can it purport to ever be safe? Our food hardly qualifies as such, if by food we mean that which we take in to nourish cellular growth and sustain balance among internal systems.
The protocols of what passes for a justice system in Texas presented its poster boy in Bush, Jr. Such vast open spaces seem to bring out an antisocial character in too many. In the fullness of time, no one is relieved of the fruit of his own actions. To take another's life because it is inconvenient to change the paperwork is the mark of absolute barbarity. Convenience has come to replace decency, morality, and law in our fallen land. The rot is getting so bad that the entire organism will either implode or explode.
I wish I could share your faith in karma, but the evidence does not convince me that it works.
Sioux Rose
GORSE: Because the premise of karma does not mean restitution occurs within ONE lifetime, I cannot prove its viability. The deviant acts of human beings along with the legacy of savagery make it difficult to believe there is an ultimate equalizing force. However, when one studies the ancient teachings of many cultures, all appear to believe in an "ultimate accounting." I don't know why it is that some people understand this and trust in it, while others do not. If I only believed in the witness of my eyes and the span of my hopeful 80 year lifespan, then it would be natural to conclude from the many misdeeds that have gone without redress, that the earth operates as a sort of chaotic sphere of ego-driven madness. No law (of a universal sort) or order appears to prevail.
I view earth as a school house; and while quite a bit of the curriculum is raw, primitive, and dangerous (and we're talking 21st century!), there have been many who attained very high spiritual levels of self-mastery. Most of these beings shared the same teachings, and tried to inspire their followers to make use of them to better their lives. What tends to happen is that those who learn to seize power for their own ends turn one group against another and misrepresent the basic teachings. So as to this idea of the evidence of karma, have you never had instant karma take place? You don't give the dollar back to the cashier who made an error in your favor and then later that same day, you find yourself overcharged at a restaurant? It's not always that simple, of course. Watching the Kennedy boys die young while the Bush brothers get to further their evil deeds makes one wonder about karma. There is both individual as well as collective karma; and sometimes the honest citizen must share in his (or her) nation's fate... this is where I make it a point to ferret out what the higher purpose might be.
I can only relate what I believe to be true. Each must find truth in their own way. That, too, represents one of the Initiation processes, mandatory curriculum in/at Earth School (101). Peace.
From your pen to Goddess' ears...
The problem that OJ Simpson's lawyers faced was that there was no chance of their client being found innocent with the damming evidence available.
So what they did was to attack the process. The more data there is the greater the statistical likelihood that there will be an error somewhere, however inconsequential it might be. But if it can be found then it can be argued that the entire process lacks credibility and is flawed. Once you get people on the stand it gets even better as people err by definition. They attacked the process successfully and he was found not guilty -using the best justice money can buy.
It is ironic then that here that process is being used in completely the opposite manner -to filter out evidence that might compromise the prosecution's case.
It would appear that even if, in the case of a murder where the body was not found, the victim later turned up later alive and well that it would make no difference. The execution would be duly processed according to law.
Does Texas have a quota system for executions?
Only in America.
-"McCarty is right. But the Supreme Court, and lower courts in both the federal and the Texas state system, as well as in the state courts of many other states, don't care about justice. "
Sure glad you voted for Democrats who only confirm supreme court judges that are interested in justice.
But apart from that, I suspect there is an honest fear that if justice is served in this case, then others will expect a fair trial, and giving a possibly innocent man a fair trial is a slippery slope towards uncovering who knows how much corruption and incompetence.
[But apart from that, I suspect there is an honest fear that if justice is served in this case, then others will expect a fair trial, and giving a possibly innocent man a fair trial is a slippery slope towards uncovering who knows how much corruption and incompetence.]
And you're quite right that we certainly can't have that sort of thing happening. Think of the horror if those who are actually being fairly railroaded by the prosecution were actually to be found innocent. Utterly wrong. That's why all trials should be held by the military, under a reformed procedure where everyone is guilty until they prove themselves innocent. Of course, there would be no proof of innocence allowed, but that's how should be done in a properly run theocratic police state.
-The really scary thing is that I've met people who think like the above.
hey, dave!
I sent an email to gov. perry...
how odd to hope that our input (and me not even a Texas resident) will sway a person to do what is arguably simply the right thing to do...
as you imply, the legal entities have done a fine job of insulating themselves from public recourse...in many cases, even egregious offenses are only subject to internal discipline, and secretly so...
give this man the same chance you would want...the chance to get the rest of his life back...
If Hank Skinner is executed and it is later revealed that he was not the killer, justice demands that Gov. Perry and the U.S. Supreme Court justices that refused to hear the case be executed as well. It would not be a big loss for Perry has proved himself to be a moron. As for the Supreme Court, I bet that it was a 5-4 decision and you can guess who the big 5 are.
It won't be revealed that he is not the killer because the case will be closed and the evidence destroyed. As has been made clear, the criminal justice system has no interest in justice, only in process and in protecting itself. Of all the people who have blood on their hands for the Willingham execution, I know of not one who has issued so much as a "whoops, sorry about that".
dionski March 24th, 2010 6:15 pm -- This is the expectation of the prosecutors: that the DNA evidence won't be analyzed because the execution will make it moot. There needs to be a no less insistent effort to analyze DNA evidence AFTER execution if it wasn't tested before execution, either as in this case because of negligence, or because the ability to do scientifically conclusive testing was lacking by the time of the execution.
Saving the living isn't going to have nearly as big an impact as exonerating the dead. Legislation could be passed to require DNA testing in cases like Skinner's, whether or not execution has actually occurred.
Houston Judge Fine's argument, as I understand it, is that in a certain percentage of cases in which convicted criminals facing execution maintained their innocence, DNA testing exonerated them BEFORE execution. This leads by deductive reasoning to the conclusion that a similar percentage of the condemned in non-DNA cases are actually innocent. It's a very strong argument that needs to be repeated over and over.
Remember, the Willingham case didn't involve DNA. The evidence of innocence is less persuasive than most DNA evidence because it depends on tricky theories of how things burn. I think Willingham's tragic case, while it has gained a lot of attention due to MSM accounts, has far less potential to deliver a death blow to the death penalty than a case like Skinner's, especially if the execution is actually carried out and then he's exonerated.
Texas has a reputation to defend; if a few innocent people don't die now and then, who is to say it is still Texas?
There is an important argument here that seems "ethically insane" on the surface but touches on a touchy end of a fault line in the legal system here in the USA and the idea of social justice in general.
"Due Process" means you are guaranteed a procedurally correct and "due diligence" observed trial with competent representation.
You are not guaranteed a correct verdict. The verdict stands if if was arrived at as per above definition.
What this means is that The Law is a mechanism apart from Justice. Justice is spoken for and established in the legal system up front in the making of laws.
I know this seems crazy and unfair in the eyes of Common Sense and decency, but the idea is akin to painting a picture and saying "You gotta declare you're finished sometime".
It is the eagerness of Texas justice to actually flaunt the ability to deny justice by playing strictly by the books that betrays a craven justice system.
Yes, this notion was charmingly expressed by the esteemed and learned Justice Antonin Scalia as, "Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached."
However, the seemingly rigid, chiseled, obsidian-smooth surface of the Law is in fact pockmarked and criss-crossed with innumerable hairline cracks and crevices permitting discretion and flexibility when the letter of the law forces a conclusion egregiously contrary to a disinterested conscience.
The prospect of deliberate homicide in the face of "factual innocence" arguably "shocks the conscience" of a normal person; that ought to be sufficient to nullify or outweigh the usual inclination to strictly follow the process and let the chips fall where they may.
And I would argue thus even if Scalia WASN'T odious and as disgusting as a blood-filled tick.
Sioux Rose
O.S: Thank you for this post! True justice is tempered with mercy. When the odious "sentencing guidelines" for drug offenses inside the "drug war" were administered to judges, these codes effectively tied judges' hands and took true decision-making out of their courts. Not unlike having a mid-level bureaucrat at a health insurance company act as final "determinator*" of whether or not YOU get the necessary surgery. When a nation, or any entity, relies on a rigid interpretation, or letter of the law approach, it tends to completely lose sight of the spirit of said law. JESUS himself taught this lesson, and yet his purported followers are first to claim his name, while punishing their neighbors on the basis of narrow executions of so-called law and due process. Beyond sad.
(* Sioux Rose dictionary of poetic license: Determinator, a robotic-like terminator crossed with one privileged to a decision-making status.)
Proving yet again that any government may murder any one of us without fear. Proving again that allowing ANY politician continued existence places yours in jeopardy. Proving that anyone who pees in the ear of a politician whose brain is on fire is a traitor to the Murkn people and humanity at large.
According to an AP wire report:
The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday stopped the execution of condemned prisoner Hank Skinner about an hour before he could have been taken to the Texas death chamber.
Skinner asked the court and Gov. Rick Perry for the delay for DNA testing that he insisted could clear him in a triple slaying.
The brief order grants him the delay but does not ensure he will get such testing. Perry had not decided on the delay.
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Keep your fingers crossed.
This is a huge victory. The same court rejected the appeal yesterday, but reversed itself today. Could the massive outpouring of protest mail that swamped Gov. Perry's office and the court, from the US and Europe, have played a role here?
Now the fight is to get that DNA test of the evidence the prosecution has been withholding for over eight years.
Dave Lindorff
Visit Dave Lindorff's website at www.thiscantbehappening.net
hey, dave! as long as you're on this subject, manning120 makes a pretty good point elsewhere in this thread (I hope I paraphrase adequately...)
that DNA evidence provides a uniquely verifiable look at the ratio of convictions to actual guilt...
the question: how many cases are similarly prosecuted, but lack DNA evidence to assist in determining innocence? How does this case, or any like it, open the door to investigating the system that leads to fraudulent convictions?
I know some will argue that verdict 'mistakes' are so rare as to be not worth the trouble, but the question, again, is: without DNA evidence, how do we know? how can we be sure cases were carried out correctly? how many do we reopen? for whom?
Is the DNA issue a big enough bite for one mouthful?
Nice work on this, sir...fair is fair...
There's an old saying in Texas----First we give ya a fair trial, then we gonna hang ya.
This is why I like and respect Sioux Rose so much.
"For these despicable counterfeits of would-be justice, the universal law of karma, sacrosanct, will not be mocked. The way one treats others is eventually what returns to them. That such mean-spirited, justice-despising persons sit in positions of legal authority inverts the very meaning of justice. Like so many things in modern America, truth has gone completely out of the equations of meaning. Our money has become a fiction, a currency undermined by the financial weapons of mass destruction that now, like a polluted tide, wash over and through it. Our premise of national/homeland security is a farce; for if a nation elects to trespass against its neighbors, how can it purport to ever be safe? Our food hardly qualifies as such, if by food we mean that which we take in to nourish cellular growth and sustain balance among internal systems.
The protocols of what passes for a justice system in Texas presented its poster boy in Bush, Jr. Such vast open spaces seem to bring out an antisocial character in too many. In the fullness of time, no one is relieved of the fruit of his own actions. To take another's life because it is inconvenient to change the paperwork is the mark of absolute barbarity. Convenience has come to replace decency, morality, and law in our fallen land. The rot is getting so bad that the entire organism will either implode or explode."
Like an angel she writes.
Sioux Rose
DEAR GREAT ROCKY: After doing the pilgrimage to a writer's Mecca and coming back with no tangible "benediction," I want to tell you that your very caring post made my day. It's words like these that keep me going when the guardians/gatekeepers of modern culture reject my best works. To walk with angels... what a compliment. You own a heart of gold. Many thanks to you.
To be perfectly honest, my demons make me hate killers. If whoever did this were to be put to death, I candidly wouldn't be holding a candlelight vigil for them.
God bless those who would.
To me the death penalty isn't about vengeance. The only reason why there's a part of me that barely holds onto the concept is that it brings some sort of closure for the loved ones of the victim...WHEN IT IS DONE SWIFTLY AND SANS ANY DOUBT!
That being said, stories like these (not to mention the disparities, as if I as a white guy should spare a white serial killer over a black one) are what has seriously made me reconsider my stance on capital punishment.
Is this justice? Seriously. I'd be fuming if I were related to the victim.
I think shit like this is one reason why the concept of vigilantes are so popular. Our justice system is flawed at best, profoundly corrupt at its worst.
Meanwhile a rapist/killer is walking free. Maybe someone in authority is protecting the true culprit? We all know how tainted Southern Justice as a history of being.
Another thing, and I alluded to this earlier in my post, even if there's no doubt as to a killer's guilt, if someone's been on death row for 20 years or more, is there really any point in putting them to death after all those years?
Again, I'm working through my righteous bloodrage. I wish death on Cheney and Dubbya among many other malefic elites too. I'm not proud of that.
As a friend of mine and fellow comics fan keeps reminding me, "Heroes don't kill."
[To me the death penalty isn't about vengeance. ]
I think it should be. That being said, I don't think people should be executed. It's too quick, no matter how it's done. And once it's done that person isn't suffering anymore (to the best of our knowledge, there is no evidence of or for an afterlife). I can't think of a worse thing to do to a person than to lock them in a cage and let them grow old and feeble behind bars, and then, when they do die in jail, to bury them in a prison graveyard under a number rather than a name.
Saturnalia March 24th, 2010 10:30 pm -- The death penalty is entertainment. It's a real life version of what people pay money to see at the movies or in other advertising-supported media. It sells lots of newspapers and magazines, too.
Death is preferable to being locked up forever, but that's not the point. The point is that conviction under any judicial system is only an opinion, and taking away the possibility of changing erroneous convictions in death penalty cases based on new and better evidence and analysis sacrifices justice for the sake of entertaining people who get their jollies by seeing people die.
I'm willing to allow for defendants to serve time due to erroneous convictions, for the sake of deterring crime (but we need better ways of dealing with actual innocence claims). The death penalty doesn't deter crime. But even if it did, I think we have to draw a line somewhere, and I draw it at death.