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ABC News' Interview with Lakhdar Boumediene and Our Current Policies
Lakhdar Boumediene is an Algerian (and Bosnian citizen) who, while living in Bosnia and working for the International Red Crescent, was arrested by the Bosnian government (at the behest of the Bush administration) shortly after 9/11 on charges of plotting to blow up a U.S. and British embassy, but was then quickly cleared by Bosnian courts of any wrongdoing and ordered released. But as he was about to be released -- in January, 2002 -- he was abducted by the U.S. military inside Bosnia and shipped to Guantanamo, where he remained without charges for the next almost 8 years, and was clearly tortured.
In mid-2008, the U.S. Supreme Court -- in a case bearing his name -- ruled that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was unconstitutional because it denied Guantanamo detainees the right of habeas corpus (i.e.,
to have the validity of the accusations against them reviewed by a
court). When, pursuant to that decision, Boumediene finally had a U.S.
court review the accusations against him in November, 2008, a federal
judge -- the far right, Bush-43-appointed Richard Leon -- ruled there was no credible evidence
to justify his detention (as well as the detention of four other
Algerian-Bosnian detainees) and ordered them all released immediately.
In other words, Boumediene spent almost 8 years in a Guantanamo cage,
being brutally tortured, despite there being no evidence (as Bosnian
courts had already found) that he had done anything wrong at all. I
wrote about Boumediene's story in detail here.
Eight months after Judge Leon ordered him freed, Boumediene -- in May, 2009 -- was finally released from Guantanamo and went to France, which agreed to accept him because he has relatives there. At the time he was shipped to Guantanamo in 2002, he had two very young daughters. They are now 13 and 9 years old, and he obviously doesn't know them.
ABC News' Jake Tapper, as part of his traveling with President Obama this week, was in Paris and commendably took the opportunity to interview Boumediene about his ordeal, including the torture to which he was subjected at Guantanamo. Tapper has written a detailed account here. Here is the less detailed though still substantial video segment that appeared this morning on Good Morning America and presumably will appear on other ABC News shows, including World News Tonight:
There are several vital points highlighted by all of this:
(1) The central premise of all discussions about Guantanamo -- still -- is always that the people who are detained there are "Terrorists." They're the Worst of the Worst. Media figures and many citizens just uncritically believe -- and constantly assert -- that Guantanamo detainees are "Terrorists" even though they've had no trial and it's just the Government's claim that they're "dangerous." We repeatedly saw that premise asserted during the recent debate over Obama's proposal of indefinite detention ("There are dangerous Terrorists who he can't release!"). If this episode doesn't demonstrate the extreme dishonesty of that premise -- of assuming that people who have had no trials are Terrorists simply because the Government claims this -- what would demonstrate it?
(2) Those who voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006 -- all GOP Senators (except Chafee) and Democrats Jay Rockefeller, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, Mark Pryor, Tim Johnson, Bob Menendez, Frank Lautenberg, Ben and Bill Nelson, Debbie Stabenow, and Joe Lieberman, plus 219 GOP and 34 Democratic House members -- were in favor of keeping people like Boumediene at Guantanamo indefinitely without any right of judicial review. The only reason Boumediene was released is because the Supreme Court (by a 5-4 vote) ruled that law unconstitutional and he was thus able to have a court review the evidence (i.e., the lack thereof) against him.
Does anyone object to the term "moral depravity" being applied to those in Congress who voted to keep completely innocent people in cages for life without any opportunity to have a court review the accusations against them? If these members of Congress had their way, these completely innocent individuals would still be encaged at Guantanamo.
(3)
If Boumediene has been shipped from Bosnia to Bagram rather than to Guantanamo, then -- according to the Obama administration
-- he would not have had any rights at all to any judicial review. As
disgraceful as his plight is -- 7 1/2 years in a cage for no reason --
his case is actually one of the better ones when compared to those who
have been shipped from far away places to be imprisoned in Afghanistan,
where the Obama administration continues to argue they have no habeas rights of any kind.
(4) Those who are defending Obama's proposal for "preventive detention" are, by definition, risking further Boumedienes -- enabling the imprisonment of those who have clearly done nothing wrong but who are nonetheless deemed "dangerous" by the Government.
(5) In his interview with Tapper, Boumediene talks about his desire to obtain some compensation for the 7 1/2 years of his life that were obliterated at Guantanamo. Thus far, however, he has been blocked from doing so -- first by the Bush administration and now by the Obama administration, which continues to claim that "state secrets" would be jeopardized if the victims of our torture and wrongful detention such as Boumediene are permitted to have their claims heard in an American court.
(6) Here is Boumediene's description of what was done to him by the U.S. at Guantanamo -- perfectly consistent with what other Guantanamo detainees (and those at Bagram and elsewhere) have described, as summarized by Tapper:
Boumediene said he endured harsh treatment for more than seven years. He said he was kept awake for 16 days straight, and physically abused repeatedly.
Asked if he thought he was tortured, Boumediene was unequivocal.
"I don't think. I'm sure," he said.
Boumediene described being pulled up from under his arms while sitting in a chair with his legs shackled, stretching him. He said that he was forced to run with the camp's guards and if he could not keep up, he was dragged, bloody and bruised.
He described what he called the "games" the guards would play after he began a hunger strike, putting his food IV up his nose and poking the hypodermic needle in the wrong part of his arm.
"You think that's not torture? What's this? What can you call this? Torture or what?" he said, indicating the scars he bears from tight shackles. "I'm an animal? I'm not a human?"
What kind of person would deny that this is torture? And what kind of person would argue that those who ordered that should be immune from investigation and prosecution?
UPDATE: Just as is true of the numerous cases of detainee deaths, these two detailed accounts of what was done to the Algerian-Bosnian detainees at Guantanamo -- here and here -- demonstrate how delusional our torture debates have become ("it only involves 3 people who were waterboarded").
UPDATE II: John Cole makes a very important point about torture advocates and their Ticking Time Bomb routine.


19 Comments so far
Show AllSioux Rose
A society's concept of justice is portrayed in what it does to "the least of these," and when it compromises the presumption of innocence to further one witchhunt or another, then ultimately every citizen is potentially at risk. The parameters can always change when absolute power is given the chance to rule absolutely without any judicial restraints or intelligent checks and balances kept in place.
I hope this man gets some form of compensation for what he went through. If ours was a just society, he'd have legal counsel that would attach to all of Bush & Cheney's wages while they waged others' innocence against their own huge quotients of sin.
Sioux Rose
A second thought (given my background in English Lit) just came to me: Imagine a 21st century Dickens-like rendition of "A Tale of Two Cities" with this one based on two fathers of two young daughters. One is the president of a nation that's succumbed to torture as "state policy," and in many ways has assumed the ways and means of "the dark side;" while the other is a father held for eight years on false charges against his will, a fate made more tragic by the fact that at the time of his arrest Habeas Corpus itself became fragile (if not suspect). This juxtapositioning of two fathers' status and their respective qualities of life has all the markings of a literary tale (or film) of significance.
Oliver Stone are you listening?
The remake should preserve this line from the original, which I've posted here before, in which Mr. Lorry speaks of the terror that descends upon a country that allows indefinite detention without trial:
"a privilege that I in my own time have known the boldest people afraid to speak of in a whisper ...the privilege of filling up blank forms for the consignment of anyone to the oblivion of a prison for any length of time ..."
"Does anyone object to the term "moral depravity" being applied to those in Congress who voted to keep completely innocent people in cages for life without any opportunity to have a court review the accusations against them?"
No, except for Dick Cheney, who recently stated that we have only three choices - release the evil-doers so that they can get back to blowing us all up, keep em caged until the "generational war" is "won," or kill them.
Really, he said that. Just kill all Gitmo 'detainees' and move on.
What's below moral depravity?
"No, except for Dick Cheney"
And Obama.
"What's below moral depravity?"
Answer: public indifference to moral depravity in their leaders.
Obama's response to this has been very disappointing. He seems intent on sweeping all this uder the carpet so as to avoid "embarrassing" the Senators and Congresspersons who colluded in it as well as the perpetrators, who were "just following orders."
Liobhan
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All means, even if they are not in conformity with existing laws and precedents, are legal if they subserve the will of the Führer.
--- Reinhard Heydrich
"He seems intent on sweeping all this uder the carpet so as to avoid "embarrassing"
He is "sweeping all this under the carpet" in order not only to avoid embarrassment (and lawsuits and charges of "crimes against humanity"), but also to CONTINUE the same policies: i.e. Guantanamo prisoners are being transferred NOT freed with the potential closing of Guantanamo, Bagram Air Base prison is still operational (and how many others?), Army Field Manuel appendix M still allows torture (including waterboarding which Obama has unequivocally called "torture"), and extraordinary rendition etc...
Do you have a specific reference in appendix M of the relevant Army Field Manual?
I found the following on page 5.21 of Army Field Manual 2-22.3, at http://www.army.mil/institution/armypublicaffairs/pdf/fm2-22-3.pdf. This was the only place where the term "waterboard" appeared in the manual. It's interesting that this particular section only prohibits the explicitly listed actions "if used in conjunction with intelligence interrogations". What if the captors alternate torture with intelligence interrogations instead of doing both at once? Is that acceptable?
5-75. If used in conjunction with intelligence interrogations, prohibited actions include, but are not limited to—
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Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner.
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Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes.
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Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain.
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“Waterboarding.”
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Using military working dogs.
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Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
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Conducting mock executions.
• Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.
http://www.neverinournames.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2712
This whole Guantanamo operation has been a farce, a charade from the very beginning. The so-called mastermind behind 9/11 is(was) Osama Bin Laden. But since Bush/Cheney and the Dems did not want to go after Bin Laden, the Govt. wanted to create the impression that there was some vast conspiracy - some vast network that was responsible for 9/11. Hence, this is why you had at one time over 1000 detainees at Guantanamo - most of them innocent and not in complicity of any criminal act toward the U.S. Recently we had heard from the govt. about the "success" in the so-called trials of an enemy combatant but that is as far as it goes. Because the ugly truth is the govt. does not want information on Osama Bin Laden so the charade continues. All the torture aspects to Guantanamo have really been the result of proto-fascist individuals or companies along with the military in collusion with the govt. Mitchell, Jessens and Associates is one name that is involved. THAT is the consequence of 9/11 - that the govt. capitulated to fascist elements in and outside the govt.
"The so-called mastermind behind 9/11 is(was) Osama Bin Laden."
Are you aware that Mr. Bin Laden is not on the FBI Most Wanted list for 9/11? I would guess that the FBI believes there is not sufficient evidence to charge him with the 9/11 crime.
Abducted by US military...anyone is susceptible to the US government's laws that allow it to kidnap anyone anywhere on earth.
Such extra-territorial application is an abomination.
There must be some form of legal redress--arrest of those involved in his kidnapping, from those who ordered it to those who grabbed him. A civil suit against the US government for oh say several trillion dollars. And so forth.
But most importantly, Bush, Cheney, and everyone else responsible for instituting torture and rendition policies MUST be arrested and face trial for their numerous crimes.
Our government is disgusting and depraved. HOWEVER, what is up with ABC? Isn't it amazing that ABC is reporting this story? And last week it aired Earth 2100, the basic premise of which is that if we don't immediately take drastic steps to green the environment, then civilization will be destroyed within the lifetimes of people alive today. What is going on over there?? Since when does the MSM report on subjects such as this???
Have you guys heard the rumor that Dick Cheney takes viagra before watching torture tapes?
Yes, ABC did show the segment on the evening news.
So why is Obama maintaining these policies?
1--gun to the head: he's maintaining them because the powers that be have implanted him and his wife and kids with devices they can activate to cause excruciating pain--any time he tries to buck them his little girls get the treatment
2--he's a sociopath too, and these clearly unconstitutional measures increase his power so he'll keep them, thank you
3--he's determined to accomplish certain things despite a hostile Congress, and he's decided human rights and the rule of law can be jettisoned as less important than, say, dealing with climate change or getting some kind of improved health care system in place.
4--he realized that a return to the rule of law would require investigations and prosecutions which would lead to half of Congress being in the dock. So's he's trying to keep as much as possible in darkness, avoiding releasing people like this who will blab publicly and challenge the view that Gitmo was full of actual terrorists
5--any others? let's see, demonic possession? but not, he doesn't understand. He's neither stupid nor ignorant--statements he's made in the past, as well as his history as a professor of constitutional law, prove that amply--he knows his policies are wrong.
Mr. Obama is a Constitutional Law professor. He knows what has been done to those people is illegal and indeed criminal.
Mr. Obama has no excuse. He is a war criminal of the worst sort.