Kucinich was interviewd on www.democracynow.org this morning.

Well, alleged Progressives, you had the opportunity to put this man of "We The People" into the W.H. but bought the media HORSESHIT--as
Cindy would say--and look where we are and what HE IS STILL DOING for us!!!

I will vote for him in November and if I can't write him in...? I'm damn sure I won't do the hold-my-nose thing again.

"Crack open a cynic and you will find an angry idealist!"

My Republican Congressman sent me another e-mail saying that he's opposed to this bailout.

It's sad that I have to rely on a Republican to protect me from Democrats.

Thanks Dennis. This is why I sent you money. You tell the truth to power.

BTW, Americans are ignorant fools.

Hey how about this, all credit cards can only charge the federal funds rate plus 1% intrest. home mortgages the same until the economy is back

"Every member of Congress and every American should keep in mind that a vote for this bill is a vote to inflict economic damage to you and your community," said Bush...that's what he said between the lies.

Does anybody out there still believe Americans want to hear the truth? Since they obviously don't, what are the specifics of the lies they actually want to hear? Cook it in a microwave and it always come out the same thing: Peter Finch's rant in "Network" . . . "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!" Oh, sure you will. You'll walk around the house with your hands stuffed deeply into your pockets, hunched over, muttering about the crooks and the politicians and the faggot Jew bankers and wog oil guys ripping us off. You want to kill all those MoFo's, burn 'em alive, skin 'em alive, cut off their heads, drag 'em behind your car for a couple of miles, shoot 'em in the knees with a .44 Magnum then squash their heads with a baseball bat. You're feeling better already. Then, come the first Tuesday in November, you'll walk into the polling place and vote for McCain because . . . I don't know; I just like the guy. He's . . . he's . . . you know, a regular guy. His wife's a fox; I'd sure like to bang that broad and the other broad, Palin. They'll take care of the ragheads but good and then I'll win the lotto and move into a castle in Wyoming.

DK's interview this morning was excellent. Democracy Now! asks the right questions. It's not that we are only 3%; it's that most Democrats are frightened and when fear rules your life you make terrible decisions. We keep forgetting that corporate bribes ruin any chance of real democracy these days. The best we can do is keep on voting and working for real progressives and causes and increase our support over time. BUT we have to do the work regardless of outcomes. It's time for ONE progressive party that blends all of the various progressive parties that all ready exist.

Kucinich is not the only guy who got it. NADER GOT IT, and contacted all the members of Congress to say, "NO BAILOUT!" And you have to tell them the same thing. The number of your Senators and your Representative are in front section of your phone book. Get on phone NOW and thell them "NO BAILOUT!"

Then in November remember what the Dems and Repubs have done for you, or is it 'to you'? and vote for Nader. Any Congress Rep that has 'incumbent' after their name is a no no too. Don't vote for the lackeys of the corporations!! Want some Democracy here in the U.S.A.? Don't vote for the political party of your Daddy and Mommie. Grow up and use your brain! The Repubs are no longer for fiscal responsibility and local control and the Demos don't give a hoot about the working people of this nation.

Nader also says "END THE WAR, IMPEACH THE SQUATTER, RESTORE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, WE NEED HEALTH CARE FOR ALL WITH ONE PROGRAM FOR US ALL LIKE THEY HAVE IN ALL THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS."

Kucinich is not the only guy who got it. NADER GOT IT, and contacted all the members of Congress to say, "NO BAILOUT!" And you have to tell them the same thing. The number of your Senators and your Representative are in front section of your phone book. Get on phone NOW and thell them "NO BAILOUT!"

Then in November remember what the Dems and Repubs have done for you, or is it 'to you'? and vote for Nader. Any Congress Rep that has 'incumbent' after their name is a no no too. Don't vote for the lackeys of the corporations!! Want some Democracy here in the U.S.A.? Don't vote for the political party of your Daddy and Mommie. Grow up and use your brain! The Repubs are no longer for fiscal responsibility and local control and the Demos don't give a hoot about the working people of this nation.

Nader also says "END THE WAR, IMPEACH THE SQUATTER, RESTORE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, WE NEED HEALTH CARE FOR ALL WITH ONE PROGRAM FOR US ALL LIKE THEY HAVE IN ALL THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS."

Does anyone really believe Obama doesn't "get it"? He's fully capable of grasping the implications of the bailout and he's FOR IT. Obama is not going to start taking talking points and ideas from Kucinich. Nichols can carry on with his stupid day dream and the rest of us can wonder about why we are reading drivel again.

More Good Money After Bad
This bailout will not do a thing to change fundamentals of the problem..
Housing prices are continuing to fall.
Look at the Dow it's been down between 200 and 300 points all morning even with the news of the likely passing of this bill..
The Asian markets were hit hard overnight and it is the same with European markets..
It's coming apart at the seams my friends, the Fed can throw all the liquidity they want at it and won't change a thing.
In the meantime they are using a strategy that will in the long run destroy the dollar. Perhap that is the ulitimate goal.

How can Dennis Kucinich claim to be an *antiwar* advocate when he supports *pro-war* candidate Barack Obama?

You may recall that back in January of this year, Dennis Kucinich, seeing that he was not getting the primary votes to be a major contender for the Democratic nominee, urged his supporters to vote for Barack Obama.

Barack Obama currently supports *four* wars.

1. During the primaries, Obama vowed that, if elected, he would start withdrawing troops from Iraq in 16 months.

However, once he captured the nomination from Hillary Clinton, he quickly lurching to the right, changing, among other things, his position on Iraq.

Obama now says that, if elected, he will withdraw troops from Iraq at the discretion of the general in the field.

Quoting from a speech he gave in Colorado Springs on July 2, 2008:

"I have always said I would listen to the commanders on the ground. I have always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability.”

In other words: I may withdraw troops in 16 months; but, if conditions change, I may not. (Now all we have to do is find a commander in Iraq who’s a dove!)

2. Barack Obama supports an escalation of the war in Afghanistan -- as does John McCain and Barack Obama

3. Barack Obama supports an invasion of Pakistan -- as does John McCain and George Bush. Indeed, such an invasion has already begun-- with not a peep from Obama and the Democratic Party.

4. Barack Obama supports an invasion of Iran -- as does John McCain and George Bush. And with no weapons “off the table” – that is to say, with the use of nuclear weapons as a military option.

The following is an excerpt from a January 3, 2008 article by Jeff Lassahn, entitled" “’Antiwar' Candidate Kucinich Backs Leading Democrat in Iowa Primary.”

”In a Foreign Affairs magazine piece from July 2007, Obama laid out how he intends to preserve US military dominance:

“’We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future. We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests. But we must also become better prepared to put boots on the ground in order to take on foes that fight asymmetrical and highly adaptive campaigns on a global scale.”

"His current campaign includes recommendations to add another 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines to the standing military.

“Congressman Kucinich is known as the “antiwar” candidate and has suggested that he would withdraw all troops from Iraq and close military bases there. His willingness to back the openly militarist Obama demonstrates -- far more than his pseudo-leftist rhetoric -- that he has no intention of challenging the geo-political interests of American imperialism.

“Noting that all of the leading Democratic candidates have continued to fund the war, including Obama, Kucinich states, “their judgment was wrong. They have repeatedly said ‘all options’ are on the table with respect to Iran. Intelligence reports revealing that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program four years ago again demonstrates that their judgment was wrong.” Thus, Obama funds the criminal enterprise in Iraq and threatens to launch war against Iran but that should not prevent Kucinich’s supporters from voting for the Illinois senator.

“With the elections nearly a year away Kucinich is already retracing the steps he took in the 2004 presidential election. Throughout that year Kucinich denounced the war and corporate America and insisted that mass pressure could push the Democratic Party to the left. Then, prior to the Democratic convention, Kucinich and his supporters dropped their opposition to the right-wing Democratic platform and lined up behind pro-war candidate John Kerry, with Kucinich declaring, “The word is unity. That is the operative word.”

“With the announcement that Kucinich’s supporters in the Iowa caucus should endorse Obama, the Ohio congressman has made it clear he is again seeking to bolster the Democratic Party, which has been further discredited by its collaboration with the Bush administration since taking over the majority of the US Congress in the 2006 elections.

(Continued)

"One year after taking control Congress, none of the promises of the Democrats have been carried through.

"The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, with the Democrats delivering critical support for over $200 billion more in funding.

"Domestic spying, torture, and other attacks on democratic rights continue unabated.

"The living standards of ordinary people continue to fall, while the wealthiest continue to enjoy massive tax breaks and record profits and bonuses.

“In face of this sordid record, the Kucinich campaign serves to appeal to the broad hostility over the war and inequality, and channel it back into the two-party system.

"At the announcement of his current presidential run in December of 2006, Kucinich stated, “At this moment, people’s trust in government is on the line. Trust in the Democratic Party is on the line.” He added that there is a “sacred responsibility” to “protect people’s faith in not just our party, but in the political process itself.”

“Aside from his slavish insistence of supporting the Democratic Party, the purportedly left-wing program Kucinich offers a mix of the typical reformist proposals and economic nationalism that has proved to be an utter failure in the course of the last century. This is combined with a substantial dose of hypocrisy.

"A recent press release claims that Kucinich is the only presidential candidate who has “the ability and the foresight to make the right decisions at the right time. And when you’re talking about life and death decisions, a belated and apologetic ‘I made a mistake’ is not acceptable.” Nowhere is it mentioned that shortly after 9/11 he voted for the “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists,” which allowed the Bush Administration to begin the war in Afghanistan and roll back democratic rights.

“Notably, in all of the “strength through peace” rhetoric on Kucinich’s campaign web site there is no mention of the war in Afghanistan, and the immense social catastrophe it has created. In the United Nations global human development index Afghanistan has fallen to 174 out of 178 countries, with declines in life expectancy, literacy, nutrition, and further decay of social infrastructure.

"At the same time the brutal counter-insurgency program of the US military continues to shed the blood of innocent Afghans. Presumably, though, the lack of comment on Kucinich’s web site indicates that Afghanistan is still the “good war.”

“Kucinich presents himself as a populist, with election claims to rework health care, end poverty and reverse environmental degradation. Yet he steadfastly defends the two-party system, which uholds the capitalist social and economic setup. His campaign web site even has as a topic entitled “Saving Capitalism,” containing nationalist economic positions of regulation and protectionism.”

Click here for the entire article -- http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jan2008/dems-j03.shtml

(Continued)

Also, in a December 15, 2006 article entitled “’Antiwar' Candidate Boosts Illusions in a Pro-War Party,” Jerry White writes:

“The Democratic Party is committed to continuing the criminal occupation of Iraq and the escalation of violence against those who oppose US domination of the Middle Eastern country.

"While sharp tactical divisions exist within the US political establishment, the Democrats are just as committed as the Republicans to the use of military force to secure US domination over the oil resources of the Middle East and to prevent a Vietnam-style defeat in Iraq.

“That is why any talk of a rapid withdrawal of US troops and ending the war has been taken off the table in the month after the US elections. The terms of debate set by both the Bush administration and the Democratic leadership concern the best means to crush the popular insurgency against the occupation and secure the interests of US imperialism in the region.

“The main purpose of Kucinich’s candidacy is to bolster fading illusions that the Democrats constitute a “people’s party,” or at least that there is a progressive antiwar faction within it. He urges support for this supposed faction as a means of pressuring the party leadership to adopt an antiwar platform and wage a struggle against Bush and the Republicans.

"He is joined in this effort by left-liberal forces such as the Nation magazine and the “World Can’t Wait” and “United For Peace & Justice” coalitions, which promote the conception that protests and pressure will move the Democrats to the left.

“There is a significant element of conscious deception both in Kucinich’s candidacy and on the part of those “left” protesters who seek to lend it credibility.

“Anyone seeking an understanding of what role the Ohio congressman will play in 2008, merely has to examine his actions during the contest for the Democratic nomination in 2004, when Kucinich made a similar presidential bid, running as an opponent of the war.

“After Democratic leadership pulled the rug out from under the candidacy of Howard Dean, around whom significant antiwar sentiment had coalesced, measures were taken to suppress opposition to the war within the party and to ensure that the election was not turned into a referendum on Iraq.

"This campaign was consummated through the nomination of John Kerry, who had voted for the war and continued to speak out in support of “victory” in Iraq and even the deployment of more troops.

“In response to this drive by the party leadership, Kucinich folded up his campaign, failing to wage even a struggle against the pro-war plank in the Democratic platform. Instead, he called for unity behind Kerry. “The next critical step we must take is to help elect John Kerry as the next president of the United States,” Kucinich told reporters. “The word is unity. That is the operative word.”

"Given the opportunity to speak at the Democratic national convention, Kucinich called on delegates and voters to “blaze a new path with John Kerry and John Edwards.”

“Thus, Kucinich’s “antiwar” candidacy provided a political cover for the right-wing policies of the Democratic leadership and helped contain the mass opposition to the war within the confines this big business party.

"Although he was exposed as an apologist for the selection of a pro-war Democratic candidate during the last presidential election, this is not stopping Kucinich from offering to play the same role once again.”

Click here for the entire article -- http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/dec2006/kuci-d15.shtml

••• All 50 state governors should convene so they can vote to dissolve the federal government immediately. They MUST be STOPPED--either by process or be physically arrested. •••

Perhaps arresting the leaders of this criminal act might suffice.

Obama listen to Kucinich? If people who are wrong listened to people who are right in this country we wouldn't be going down like the Titanic.

it is simple

george is giving his select buddies, the ones he calls the have mores, one last grab into the cookie jar of the public purse.

having succeeded in de-regulating the finacial/banking laws put in place after the last orgy of greed,the corporatists and their cohorts in government have over the last 50 or so years, placed their representatives in all levels of government, from top to bottom.

if one where privy to the finacial holdings of the politicos who are now up before the nations cameras, hand wringing and proclaimming the end of the world,and how terrible it will be should the bailout not pass...

you can bet these very same people stand to lose wealth, in stocks/holdings in these same out-of-control entities they now are going to gift with our money, the ratio of loss is far higher for them, than joe sixpack and family or even a prudent investor with little or no control of his pension funds management...

see the have mores , including most if not all of the politicos of every stripe working on the bailout in play today , stand to lose their shirts..we might feel the pain as the economy shrinks to levels based in fact not derivative fiction, but it will be no where the crash the "have mores" are looking at.

yes i know we all get the shaft either way, but with the big guys going down.. it may cause enough pain to wake up consumer / worker drones, to see how bad things really are.

in any other situation the world would be screamming "conflic of interest", but not in the good ol usa, where "the bull" reigns supreme.

it is simple

george is giving his select buddies, the ones he calls the have mores, one last grab into the cookie jar of the public purse.

having succeeded in de-regulating the finacial/banking laws put in place after the last orgy of greed,the corporatists and their cohorts in government have over the last 50 or so years, placed their representatives in all levels of government, from top to bottom.

if one where privy to the finacial holdings of the politicos who are now up before the nations cameras, hand wringing and proclaimming the end of the world,and how terrible it will be should the bailout not pass...

you can bet these very same people stand to lose wealth, in stocks/holdings in these same out-of-control entities they now are going to gift with our money, the ratio of loss is far higher for them, than joe sixpack and family or even a prudent investor with little or no control of his pension funds management...

see the have mores , including most if not all of the politicos of every stripe working on the bailout in play today , stand to lose their shirts..we might feel the pain as the economy shrinks to levels based in fact not derivative fiction, but it will be no where the crash the "have mores" are looking at.

yes i know we all get the shaft either way, but with the big guys going down.. it may cause enough pain to wake up consumer / worker drones, to see how bad things really are.

in any other situation the world would be screamming "conflic of interest", but not in the good ol usa, where "the bull" reigns supreme.

it is simple

george is giving his select buddies, the ones he calls the have mores, one last grab into the cookie jar of the public purse.

having succeeded in de-regulating the finacial/banking laws put in place after the last orgy of greed,the corporatists and their cohorts in government have over the last 50 or so years, placed their representatives in all levels of government, from top to bottom.

if one where privy to the finacial holdings of the politicos who are now up before the nations cameras, hand wringing and proclaimming the end of the world,and how terrible it will be should the bailout not pass...

you can bet these very same people stand to lose wealth, in stocks/holdings in these same out-of-control entities they now are going to gift with our money, the ratio of loss is far higher for them, than joe sixpack and family or even a prudent investor with little or no control of his pension funds management...

see the have mores , including most if not all of the politicos of every stripe working on the bailout in play today , stand to lose their shirts..we might feel the pain as the economy shrinks to levels based in fact not derivative fiction, but it will be no where the crash the "have mores" are looking at.

yes i know we all get the shaft either way, but with the big guys going down.. it may cause enough pain to wake up consumer / worker drones, to see how bad things really are.

in any other situation the world would be screamming "conflic of interest", but not in the good ol usa, where "the bull" reigns supreme.

This crime family is using fear and intimidation to panic people. FDR said: " the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". The wealthy, elite that caused this banking miasma, are the ones that are scared to death. Instead of criminals robbing banks we have banking criminals robbing people! Dennis Kucinch, Ron Paul, and a few others tell it like it is, because they have not joined the corporate, soldiers that have sold Americans out. These quislings in Congress, that vote for this bill, are guilty of the most egregious, malfeasance.

What a fraud Kucinich is. I heard him say on the radio this morning that Obama didn't want any bankruptcy protection for Americans attached to the $700 billion larceny.

If he's so outraged by that, why in heavens' name still support Obama? And why not resign the corrupt Dem Party already?

Of course, Kucinich's function is exactly that, to fake outrage. To show foolish Democratic voters that Dems are not 100% bad, only 99.99%.

The most revolting thing was to watch Nancy Pelosi scream 'no more bailouts!' in front of TV cameras 20 minutes after she signed on to one.

Democrats sold out on this bill faster than Republicans, who at least revolted on Friday.