Clinton Has ‘No Regrets’ Concerning Her ‘Obliterating Iran’ Comments
Barack Obama yesterday accused his rival for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton, of adopting the language of the Bush presidency in her approach to dealing with a nuclear Iran.
Ahead of Tuesday’s hotly contested primaries in Indiana and North Carolina, the two Democratic contenders took to competing television networks and levelled at times pointed criticism at each other over foreign policy and the economy.
In the sharpest attack, Obama said that Clinton’s threat to “totally obliterate” Iran should it attempt a nuclear attack on Israel was inappropriate. “It’s not the language we need right now. It’s language that’s reflective of George Bush,” he said.
Obama said it was time to get away from a foreign policy of “bluster and sabre-rattling and tough talk”. He reminded Clinton that she had urged caution in terms of speculating about Iran on the campaign trail “yet a few days before an election she’s willing to use that language”.
Obama’s comments, made on Meet the Press on NBC, were put to Clinton as she appeared simultaneously on ABC’s This Week. She remained unapologetic: “I think we have to be very clear about what we would do. I don’t think it’s time to equivocate. [Iran has] to know they would face massive retaliation. That is the only way to rein them in.”
Asked by George Stephanopoulos, a former aide to Bill Clinton in the White House, whether she had any regrets over her Iran remarks, she replied: “No, why would I have any regrets?”
Clinton has been buoyed by her recent victory in Pennsylvania, and by evidence that white working-class voters are increasingly swinging behind her. An Associated Press survey of exit polls from earlier primaries shows that white voters without a college education favoured her by 64% to Obama’s 34%.
The New York senator has been trying to press home that advantage in Indiana, where polls suggest she has the lead, and in North Carolina, where she is behind but by a narrowing margin. The two states command 187 delegates.
On Saturday Obama added another victory to his tally, though the US territory of Guam had just four delegates riding on it. He won by seven votes.
During his interview with Tim Russert, Obama was quizzed about his relationship with the controversial pastor Jeremiah Wright. Asked why it had taken him so long to disassociate himself from the reverend, Obama said: “What became apparent to me was that he didn’t know me as well as I thought he did, and I certainly didn’t know him as well as I thought I did, and that was disappointing.”
© 2008 The Guardian
“why would I have any regrets?”
All she did was advocate genocide. It’s not like she criticized Israel.
Is it fair to assume that by “obliterate” she means “use hydrogen and neutron bombs to kill everyone” in Iran?
I am reminded of the commercial that was broadcast when Barry Goldwater was running for President against Lyndon Johnson (as Goldwater had said he wouldn’t rule out a first nuclear strike):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVn9k6d1og
Meet the new boss…..
Dr. Strangelove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls
Scary woman.
Why doesn’t she just go away?
Like all Republicans/bullies, she just hangs in there even when it’s obvious no one wants her around.
I’m not looking forward to having the lecher-pervert husband of hers in the White House again. They’re an embarrassing couple.
The controlled US media was all over her so she lock steps and all of a sudden if you noticed the media has backed off some.
Great if IRAN is hit you need a low interest lone to fill the gas tank. The US economy will stop and 50% of the country out of work. Big locks on the door and the clip full so you can sleep safe at night
And of course a small gratuitous mention of Reverend Wright’s connection to Obama at the end of the article. Certainly can’t let that one rest, now can we, even when the topic has nothing to do with Wright.
Living under the boot heel of Hillary. Chomping at the bit to show these middle eastern countries who’s boss, as Bush is a slacker. I really can’t wait.
Doesn’t the pursuit of power make for the best and most attractive qualities in human beings? In my view, she’s just another injured and malnoursihed ego attempting to play out her personal pathologies through the protective cloth of politics. Sadly, her character qualities are common among her colleagues.
Well, given her penchant for hyperbole and tough talk, it’s no wonder that she is garnering the “dumb-ass” vote! Go, HRC, Madeline Albright, Richard Holbrook, and that skeleton in the closet, Billy boy!
How pathetic!
The U.S. doesn’t need another dynasty; we need a robust democracy, and Hillary is the farthest thing from this.
THEY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR POWER!
I’d love to see a woman in the WH, but Barbara Jordan is no longer available.
Quit the race, Hillary, before the comparisons to 1988 and 1972 become too apparent!
Hillary/McCain: that is the winning ticket for the ignorant populace of this country. It appears that we have not reached bottom and intervention is not yet called for by enough people. I, personally, do not have the resources to survive another such regime. Let’s have a blatant campaign accusing the American people of ignorance and complicity in genocide if they vote for this ticket.
Enough Said:
I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john
st john, I’ve had that same thought myself. It would seem the populace has been sufficiently dumbed down and are ready for outright neutering..Why not just stop having elections all together at this point? The media can just let us know who the Kleptocracy coronated this election.
Interesting, is it not, that the “news” media are completely obsessed with this single “relationship” and appear totally disinterested in others that are much more influential in determining both the outcome of the “democratic” process and their ultimate impacts on US domestic and foriegn policies.
Even if one leaves aside the obvious and ubiquitous AIPAC influence on all of the candidates for both of the “parties”, Obama’s claim that “Washington lobbyists haven’t funded my campaign, they won’t run my White House” appears questionable at best. One might expect that contibutions from the likes of Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse might generate at least a few questions — unless one supposes that controversial remarks by his former preacher count for more in that context than financial contributions totalling $2,872,128 during the primary season alone.
There’s a reason why the Republicans want to run against Hillary—they know that she will bring out their base in the fall. They lost the election in 2006 because their base was demoralized by the corruption and deficit-spending of the Bushites, and they stayed home. Hillary is the one hope they have of getting out the neo-fascist base. If you want to see McCain in the White House then get out there and support the most polarizing figure in modern American politics—Hillary Clinton
She loves Israel so much she would commit genocide on over 70 million people. She should go live in Israel.
Iran has no plans to nuke Israel. They aren’t stupid.
I’m sure that both Hillary and Obama will show their anti-war bona fides by voting against the continued supplemental war funding ($108) that allows Bush continue this imperialist oil-war, AND vote against the additional $70 continuing war funding that would give the next democrat faux-emperor the funds to continue the very same imperialist oil-war for the very same ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind the facade of this TWO-PARTY ‘Vichy’ government.
Well, I’m as sure of that as anyone could be when considering the sleazy, guileful planning that all the gutless complicit, sneaky neoliberal-war-whore dems are doing to continue this very tactic for their corporatist Empire.
Dems sleazy funding plans for continuing the Iraq war (and possibly funding a new Iran war) caught on tape:
Unfortunately the lying, sneaky, gutless and fully complicit Democrats are already scheming to fund this continuing corporatist Empire’s immoral, illegal, and imperialist oil-war in Iraq (and Iran) not only until the end of the Bush regime, with another $108B, BUT ALSO well into the beginning of their own corporatist regime, with ANOTHER $70B —- specifically for whichever lying warmonger the Democrats get to appoint as the next faux-Emperor for this very same ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind the facade of the two-party ‘Vichy’ American government!!!
Here’s the sad story today (5/3), of the Democrats’ scheming infamy, caught in the act by ABC News (hardly a left wing source):
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4773315
“The request comes as Democrats on Capitol Hill are struggling to move Bush’s pending $108 billion request for the current year. Democratic leaders say they’re likely to add the $70 billion for next year to that measure, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO AVOID A POLITICALLY PAINFUL VOTE ON WAR FUNDING IN THE HEAT OF CAMPAIGNING FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.”
Gutless, complicit pond-scum!!!
The Democrats also participated in the sneaky acceptance of Bush’s
secret executive ‘findings’ last month to begin covert ’start-a-war’ provocations
(with $300M black funding) against Iran — as reported by Andrew (Cockburn
in Counterpunch today.
http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html
Nice bipartisan secret war plans by Bush and BOTH parties.
What a vicious, nauseatingly ruthless creature she is! It’s both chilling & remarkable that she & her sleazebag husband — who were victims of dirty Republican tricks in the 1990’s — responded to these filthy tactics not by foreswearing them, but by learning from them & imitating them.
Hillary herself is amazingly like Bush Jr in her refusal to ever admit error.
While I disagree with Hillary Clinton on Israel, I did understand her thinking about Iran and thought it was very fair and evenhanded. In fact, I thought her whole entire Q&A with the voters in Indiana was FANTASTIC! She is the best of the 3, which isn’t saying as much as I’d like (I’ll vote outside the Dem-Repub box), her answers were thoughtful and SUBSTANTIVE. Contrast with Barack Obama, who offers zero leadership, no substance, and deserves to lose.
As I’ve stated before Neo-Cons(Neo -Libs) come in all shapes, sizes ,colors and sexes .
They have offered the slaves 3 Masters to choose from ,so to exchange ideas about which sock puppet will treat us the best is simply laughable .
And tragic ..
With the republicans, science is the enemy. With Clinton, education is the enemy. Thus, Obama is the enemy for asking people to think before making threats against countries that are no threat to us. I wish that during a debate a interviewer would straight out ask the candidates to describe our relationship with Iran. I suspect that they both would suggest that our relationship with Iran would improve under their leadership, but thanks to Hillary’s ‘obliterate’ comment, it only looks like Barack would mean it. IMO, Hillary is just waiting for another Gulf of Tonkin.
One more thing: Iran has a young population. One-fourth of Iran’s population consists of children under 15 years of age. Only a soulless creature would look forward to killing them all.
Perhaps Shillary believes that if she becomes president it will make up for the public humiliation and degradation she was forced to endure regarding her husband’s lecherous behavior with Monica Lewinsky.
If she’s the nominee, I’ll vote 3rd party since she’s a Republican anyway.
That’s two down and one to go. Soon there will none. Then what? A vote to secede like Bolivia perhaps…
I wish the US had a real 3rd party then it could keep the other 2 in line some
I watched that hour long program with Obama and Tim Russert, where Obama was given free reign to attack Clinton and offer his excuses for stiffing his long time friend and advisor Pastor Wright. ___ It ran twice yesterday.
When asked abut Isreal, Obama said we must ‘always’ protect Isreal from their enemies. Well spoken, like all good born again Christians. ___ When asked about pulling our troops out of Iraq, he said we must begin sometime next year, with a perhaps a ‘brigade’ every month or so and it would take a few years to accomplish that. He didn’t mention the 104 acre embassy in Baghdad or KBRs Blackwater troops.
When asked about clean energy and nuclear energy, he said we must persue the nuclear option, but first insure the atomic waste was handeled properly and that “clean” coal was also an option. ___ Uh-huh. Obviously he does not have a clue of what he is talking about on those issues, he’s just repeating spin bull he learned from his big supporter General Electric.
General Electric who also controls much of our FREE press and insures a presidential candidate of THEIR choice gets hours of free time to advertize themselves on a high ranking program, ___ just prior to a important primary elections in Indiana and N.Carolina.
Truly immoral and deeply offensive to anyone with a conscience. We are still in the grip of empire and war mongers, not to mention the Israeli government. Our karma will crush us. Obama is the only way out and up at this point. Clinton or McCain will destroy all of the crumbs that lil’ george didn’t steal. Scary!
Hillary’s lust for power is evidenced by her character degeneration right before our eyes. Wow! What a show!
I hate and fear the Republicans as much as anybody, but if Clinton is the nominee, I will not be able to hold my nose and vote for her. I will miss my first election since ‘72.
I am so sick of these warmongers.
I don’t see what choice we have BUT to take a strong stance with Iran. Iran DOES threaten Israel (and the US) all the time and we’re to trust that the nuclear capability they have been working on is for peaceful purposes. Sorry, I just can’t buy it.
I hate Hillary - I think she’s a no good Marxist piewagon….but I’d take her over Obama anyday - she at least knows that there needs to be harsh rhetoric when you’re dealing with a violent theocracy such as Iran.
And all Obama wants is to have a military SURGE in Afganastan and keep the pressure on the evil Iran and protect Isreal. He’s the man. His votes as a U.S. Senator prove that.
Yeah and Iran has attacked sooooo many others and the NIE report that states they have no nuclear facility making amy type of atomic weapons is bogus of course.
Leaving Iraq now guarantees our return in 5-10 years.
The whole conversation accepts a lot of lies about Iran.
Iran has never invaded a neighboring country unprovoked. In something like centuries. And our own CIA says Iran discontinued their nuclear program years ago. Of course, the corporate media, the corporate candidates and the corporate trolls try very hard to ignore that last point.
Iran doesn’t need to be ‘reined in’. They aren’t building a bomb. That’s what the experts from the CIA to the IAEA all say. So, all of this, the whole friggin discussion is built upon lies as big as the ones that got us stuck in Iraq and that have cost us more dead than 9-11.
“Leaving Iraq now guarantees our return in 5-10 years.”
Only if we continue to think that we have to waste our lives and our tax money being the world’s policeman. And a particularly nosy and uptight policeman at that.
Its all bs. Its just more of the same lies and bs from the same people who spread the lies and the bs that got us into this mess in the first place.
Who would you listen to now? The people who were dead wrong on Iraq the whole damn time? Or the people who were right about Iraq and said not to invade in the first place.
How the hell do you KNOW they aren’t building a bomb? I don’t want these people in charge of a tank division, let alone a nuclear reactor.
They either disarm or they get attacked.
Reverend Wright DARED to speak truth to power. For this he has been publicly castigated and vilified. Is a ‘Malcolm X’ or ‘MLK Jr.’ moment in his future? My guess would be yes.
Hillary Clinton panders to the fearful, calls for genocide and pre-emptive nuclear strikes against an innocent sovereign nation in a hypothetical scenario of an attack on Israel, a county reknowned for unprovoked attacks and false flag operations of it’s murderous intelligence service, the Mossad. IF she was President, an unprovoked attack on Iran is a certainty.
AngstOfThePeople- Nice to see a CIA psy-ops watchdog in here. Hilary is no marxist. She is an obedient CORPORATE CAPITALIST!
Who would you listen to now? The people who were dead wrong on Iraq the whole damn time? Or the people who were right about Iraq and said not to invade in the first place.
- neither - I’d listen to their psychotic leadership of murderous clerics and the elected leadership who tout death to america, death to israel as a matter of routine. they are not to be trusted and their goal of a global, destructive jihad is undeniable.
Strike or be struck.
Obama = McCain = Hillary.
They all have basically the same plan for Iraq. They dress it up in different words and try to sound different. But every damn one of them says we’ll still have troops in Iraq at the end of the next President’s term. And they all want to try to reduce the number of troops. We might be talking a difference of 10,000 troops plus or minus in Iraq. Maybe Obama pulls a few out a little sooner than McCain. But mostly, its all just about rhetoric. Do we want Americans dying to right-wing rhetoric or to centrist corporate rhetoric? Either way, Americans will keep dying if any of these three is elected.
she’s marxist enough for me, friend. as to your hero Wright - he’s nothing more than an arrogant windbag who likes the sound of his own voice - it wouldn’t surprise me however, if Lady Miss Cankles and the DNC leadership (racists behind the scenes anyway) bankrolled his stupidity.
My guess would be that this sociopath and the other one from the Whitehouse get together Sundays after bible study and share frogs and firecrackers. So many helpless frogs and so many firecrackers for the People to pay for someday.
~ANGST OF THE PEOPLE~ Return to Iraq for what reason?
Oh yeah, forgot, silly me. To find their WMDs and make sure the Iraqis don’t pull off another 9-11. __ Oh no forget that, it’s because Osama bin Laden is in Pakistan. ___Oops wait, we have to return to Iraq in five years to promote democracy. ___ That’s it, you’re right ANGST, we’d better stay .
We’ve got our own dangerous clerics over here too.
Please provide exact quotes and sources of the elected leadership that is saying that. Is it the Prime minister, or some member of parliament? Your posts are very typical of the sort of propaganda bs that is spread in that you assert lots of things but never prove they are true.
Can you find quotes from Iraqi clerics and elected officials that are any crazier than the quotes I can find from American clerics and elected officials?
And, exactly how will they strike us? The whole myth of Iraq being a threat to us was based on the lies that they had WMDs. It turns out even Saddam had no way to hurt us but maybe throw spitballs at us. So, please be specific on exactly what threats we are countering? The only thing I can think of would be a terror cell, and the troops we have in Iraq would be completely useless in stopping that. Its more likely that the hatred they create would contribute to that attack than it is they’d do anything useful to stopping it. Remember, 9-11 was planned in Hamburg, Florida and San Diego.
And, why are you here anyways? You obviously don’t agree with the thinking here. Is this your shift at the army psyops center?
Kem -
Hmm Im thinking maybe because we leave, we see more Iranian backed punks like al Sadr take over - creating more land and oil for Iran so she might wage a wider war against Israel and other Western allies.
But thats ok with you and yours, I know.
AngstofthePeople - How do I know YOU are not building a bomb? You better disarm or get attacked.
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
But I do agree that we should strike, but like the dock workers did, not against Iran.
I still crack up at this notion that Hillary is a socialist or a marxist. That’s so freaking funny. She’s a methodist Republican who went to elite private schools and then worked as a corporate attorney. She’s so far from being a marxist that she’d need the hubble space telescope to even see a marxist!
Anyone who claims Hillary is a marxist is just showing their complete political ignorance.
And, why are you here anyways? You obviously don’t agree with the thinking here
- free exchange of ideas, perhaps. devils advocacy? the Internet isn’t a place of walls and borders for people like you to spout your garbage unchecked?
Im a consumer of news and opinion. Sorry you don’t like the idea of an exchange.
AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 1:48 pm — “I’d listen to their psychotic leadership of murderous clerics and the elected leadership who tout death to america, death to israel as a matter of routine.”
Well, if your preference is for listening to psychotic leadership and murderous clerics, you needn’t strain your ears.
Arvy
I realize the psychos are on both sides - but we havent spoke of erasing the Jews, now have we?
If I ran the Circus Mcgurkis the Clintons would face a public lynching along with the Bush Crime Family.
And if I ran the Circus Mcgurkis we’d be best friends with all of the Arab nations at the expense of our relations with that make believe land Israel.
The funny thing is that the Sadr’s hated the Iranians before we got there and pushed them together. Of course, someone like Angst is too @$@#$@ clueless to know any real history of the area.
Sadr’s relatives were clerics who opposed Saddam. Two of them were executed by Saddam for this. When other clerics were fleeing to Iran, the Sadrs refused. Instead basically laid low and hit out in Iraq because they didn’t like or trust the Iranians.
Other clerics and leaders opposed to Saddam did flee to Iran. They are the ones we put into power. That’s the government.
Its only in the last few years with the puppet Iragi government and the Americans putting pressure on Sadr that he’s accepted the only help left to him, the Iranians. Ie, we pushed them together.
Nice job right-wing neocons. Another ‘mission accomplished’ you can chalk up to you moronic policies.
Again, please provide specific quotes and sources for you claim that Iran wants to wage a wider war against either Israel or the west.
And now sadr is being backed by tehran - try living in the now.
What Angst is doing is an old polictical tactic. Hitler did it in the 1920’s or 1930’s, and its been in their playbook ever since. They used to have to send people physically to meetings to try to disrupt their opposition. Nowadays they can do it over the internet.
Note how he’s managed to divert the entire discussion to his topic … basically his crazy made-up stuff he refuses to document or source or backup in anyways.
My bad, I fell for it and responded to his crap.
Maybe he’ll go away. Its got to be lunch time in the army psyops center soon.
Hillary calls for pre-emtive strikes against Iran GALEN?? Funny, I never knew that.
I thought she answered a hypothetical question, of what would she do if Iran attacked Isreal with atomic weapons. ___ She answered the same way Obama did, only he didn’t use the word “Obliterate”. Obama just said, “ALL options WOULD BE on the table”. It sounds more friendly and “diplomatic” that way.
Try living in the now yourself. If we weren’t there attacking his people every day, then that ‘alliance’ would fall apart on its own quickly as neither side likes or trusts the other. We are the cause of this. If we left, it would go away.
Samson - I dont answer to you. Look up your own information or better yet, stop denying that Iran is ruled by thugs and madmen bent on global jihad.
Better them than us.
kem patrick is just jealous of obama….and jealousy comes alot from one getting brainwashed.. and when lower logic intelect people gets involved in voting they will get brainwashed….
germany is a country with the highesh avg IQ’s and this was not high enough to stop them from electing a monsters to destroy their country… only a top 1% logic test should be the requirement for voting.. its alot harder to brainwashed these high logics..
thats why we see the dumb people going for hillary and the wise for obama.. and kem patrick with his low logic gets brainwashed and jealous and spins all sorts of untruths..
there is a tremendous difference inhillary and obama not even counting the BIG character difference…
one voted for the war and the other did not……it does not matter if obama was not in the sneate but he did voice his views at that time of saying no…. so that is a heckava big difference..
now lets understand WHY that is a heckuva difference… voting for the war was ALSO voting to tell the world who was wired for the first time in history to see america yelling we are a fraud on democracy when they voted NO and we went anyway….NOW this will harm america for decades .. world hate invents weapons and different stratgories also america will be cheated in a million ways and no more good trade deals will come to america…
so when one sees how bad the economy is blaming in part of the voters of going to war.. HILLARY and MCCAIN there is NO EXCUSE!!
letting one say its a mistake and then voting for them like hillary is the worst thing EVER for voters to do… WHY?? cause then all politicians will know they can say MISTAKE and get away with it and then NO one will be scared enough to do politics right..
BUT if americans came together and tossed out every SINGLE one who voted for the WAR then america may could be saved…
but the low logics voting and getting easily brainwashed by the rich corporations will in time not question elect a monster and then destruction of america will come..
unless there is a top 1% logic test for voting america is doomed and wise americans should move to a conservative province in canada where lifespan is much higher…
america is set up like a magnet for the worlds greed .. all to come here to one spot…. set up so they can get rich IF you don’t mind making the majority in misery slavery and unhappiness.. america after cleansing the worlds of its Greed THIS eway probably will be destroyed.. getting ALL the greed of the world in one spot…. may be a natural law to make destruction at times in order to help humanity…
If we weren’t there attacking his people every day, then that ‘alliance’ would fall apart on its own
- you fail to understand that Sadr is not a legitimate force in Iraq. if he cared for the people of Iraq he would work WITH the US and not against. The biggest mistake we made in Fallujah was NOT ensuring his death.
I wonder what code name AGNST used last month here at Common Dreams? He sure sounds familiar, sort of funny in a sick way. Well he helps to bring out some excellent points from those who are not insane.
you should lay off the psychotropics there, Kem, Im not a government agent. and you…well your rhetoric is exactly what empowers the Neocon agenda. whatever you say, sounds crazy. and crazy my friend, is what loses votes. Look whats happening to Obama - crazy.
so keep talking.
AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 1:59 pm — “Arvy, I realize the psychos are on both sides - but we havent spoke of erasing the Jews, now have we?”
Heaven forfend! Of course not. The US doesn’t erase people. It only liberates them with “depeleted” uranium, napalm, “whiskey pete” and cluster bombs — and maybe a nuclear bunker buster or two if the right excuses can be found or invented.
Now and then the US may have gently hinted that some country would be “bombed back to the stone age” if they fail to cooperate with any such “liberation”. But “erase” them? NEVER!
Heaven forfend! Of course not. The US doesn’t erase people. It only liberates them with “depeleted” uranium, napalm, “whiskey pete” and cluster bombs — and maybe a nuclear bunker buster or two if the right excuses can be found or invented.
- what should I say? war is hell, Arvy.
Now and then the US may have gently hinted that come country would be “bombed back to the stone age” if they fail to cooperate with any such “liberation”. But “erase” them? NEVER
- well considering most of the middle east is still IN the stone age, it wouldnt take more than a firecracker to accomplish that.
But Hillary has memorized a healthcare plan so all the morons who vote for her don’t care how many people she kills.
Reasons for supporting Obama.
AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 2:14 pm — “what should I say? war is hell, Arvy.”
In other words, erasure by any other name is okay so long as “the Jews” (your words) aren’t being threatened with it. Got it.
so Arvy, the Jews aren’t being threatened? (Israel’s predominant religion is Judaism, hence they are Jews, not sure where you were going with that one, but its obvious you’re of the hypersensitive sort)
TEHRAN,Iran (AP) - Iran’s top leader says his country will not bend to international pressure and give up its nuclear program, according to state television.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say in all state matters, said Iran will continue its nuclear program despite Western efforts to thwart it with sanctions.
“No threat can hinder the Iranian nation from its path,” he said Sunday.
- yes, we know, Mahmoud. the path of global jihad and the elimination of the legitimate state of Israel.
McCain is right.
Angst- I wondered when someone would drag out the COMPLETELY DISPROVED ‘Iran will exterminate the Jews’ lie.
Amehdinejad said “Israel’s regime will be erased from the pages of history”.
To promote the ‘Iran will exterminate the Jews’ lie means that you are a willing tool (willingly or unwittingly) of the very source of terrorism, to wit, the US and it’s shadowy intelligence operation, the CIA.
I bet you also believed the Hill and Knowlton PR spin that ‘Iraqi soldiers threw Kuwaiti babies on the floor and took the incubators’, spewed out by the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter.
@Angst: Whatever you may think, references (threatening or otherwise) to Isreal’s current regime are not synonymous with references to “The Jews”.
In any case, the alleged threat was your contention, not mine. I just played along until you bit yourself in the ass. And, speaking of hypersensitivitiy, don’t blame me for teethmarks.
Hitlery needs to quit stuffing her shoulder pads with Kleenex and put it back in the appropriate place. I’ll bet she is wearing wingtip shoes as well.
Israel’s regime will be erased from the pages of history”.
- wow. so how will Iran go about erasing the regime with anything other than violence? maybe by asking them kindly to leave? This is exactly why I cannot respect pacifism - it defies any and all reality or logic. Im thinking youre a closet anti-semite.
We must not attack Iran.
Iran has done nothing to us. There is no evidence Iran has a nuclear bomb. Even if it did, so do Israel, India, Pakistan, France, United States to name a few. Shall we attack everyone including ourselves?
We must not attack Iran. People live there.
Clinton would “obliterate Iran”, and obviously in order to eliminate the government of Iran, she thinks it’s okay to kill all its civilian population as well. By the way, has Iran threatened to attack Israel? I don’t think they have. Invade Israel? I don’t think so. Iran hasn’t invaded another country in more than 250 years. But to threaten to obliterate any country, which international law considers a criminal act of agression, just threatening anther country with attack, as in any conflict it’s the civilians who pay the highest price. In conflicts past, perhaps 10-20% of civilians were killed. In today’s world of sophisticated weaponry the percentage is around 90%. Is this acceptable? I don’t think so. There are murder laws regarding the killing of civilians by nations in conflict. Too bad the U.S. doesn’t recognize international law, and often target civilians in order to try to get them to turn against their own government for not protecting them. This strategy never works. It seems the U.S. citizenry is all gung ho to support this rhetoric at the same time it is completely ignorant of international law, which the U.S. continues to ignore.
jclientelle
people live in israel too. Id rather not wait til they killed everyone in tel aviv.
I don’t usually comment much on this. ‘Angst of the People’ you are a very angry person that has a very one-sided view on global politics.
I am half-Iranian, I love the US, I’m currently studying here for a diploma, but some of your citizens no very little about the outside world and are obsessed with guns and violence: Calm down.
I have been to Iran on numerous occasions and love it; It is a beautiful country with an ancient history but of course a lot to learn. My family in Iran tell me that many citizens there are frightened. They are all aware of the warships in the Persian gulf and the thousands of troops in two neighbouring countrie. People in the US has no idea what that is like.
Iranians are NOT violent people bent on jihad (in the western sense of the word) and to suggest this is grossly ignorant. The Iranian system is built on strict religious and cultural principles of which many of you know nothing about. I don’t like ahmadinejad, he is disliked in Iran as much as Bush in the US. Lets look at the facts the US administrations have been undoubtedly more violent than Iran. Also, we do not have prisons around the world torturing foreigners.
Ahmadinejad (who I hate defending because he is an idiot)does not want to nuke iran and neither does the ayatullah. Iranian politics is very parochial and foreign policy is really concerned about making money. (like US oil ventures). Anyways, he is misquoted and never said Israel should be wiped off the face of the planet or whateva. His words loosley translate as ‘the zionist regime should disappear’ which is an iranian politicians words for a refusal to recognise Israel. He has nothing against Jews - he has actually met with them on several occasions - he just views the current Israel state as illegal.
The US and Israel have threatened Iran almost on a weekly basis. Those two countries have nukes, Iran DOES NOT.
Iranians are taking a huge interest in the US Presidential race, their lives may depend on it. Mrs Clinton is disliked because a country of 70million people does not like to hear it will be obliterated after a hypothetical question. Obama is vastly preferred because they believe the two countries actually might talk face-to-face for the first time in like 40 years.
So Angst of the People, you have no idea of what is actually happening in that part of the world. Maybe one day you will travel to Iran and see its not so bad. Not everyone wants ‘Jihad’ - in fact everyone has the same concerns as in the US - gas availability, energy, food prices etc. You seem to have a view that Iranians are planning attacks. Ask any Iranian teenager in school what their dream is; they will answer, “to go to college in the US.” Remember that the next time you support a statement that encourages the genocide of 70million people.
thank you
her statement wouldnt be necessary if aj and crew werent continuously rattling sabres in the name of Islam. your people ought to rise up and remove the leadership that endangers them.
Maybe Russert should have asked Saint Obama what he would do if we had another 9-11 type attack on our country. I suppose he would just have said, Well we have to all get along in unity and peace, so I will talk to them and tell them they should not have done that. After all, we good Christians must turn the other cheek.
Please be reasonable - ‘continuously rattling sabres’??!?! “aj and crew” (are you 14?) have NEVER threatened violence….can you speak Farsi?
We ought to rise up and remove leadership?!?! Why don’t you all do that with the Bush administration….He is guilty of numurous UN charter violations….
Ahmadinejad is a puppet leader just like Bush. He lost heavily in the local elections and must now focus on domestic problems or he will get the boot.
9/11 attacks….what is that to do with this article. Iran has nothing to do with that and Iranians were very upset when that happened…Iraq had nothing to do with that either!
I thought this is a progressive news site!
some of you people look at your comments. Jeremiah Wright pales in comparison!
the united states is not beholden to the UN.
and no, I am not 14, lets stay away from the personal attacks. iran isnt just distrusted by the united states, friend - its in her interest to turn away from radical islam.
” the United States is not beholden to the US” Thats just great…please tell me then who your country is accountable to?
It is not a personal attack to suggest you are 14, its just I have never heard them referred to as “aj and crew.” On the contrary I thought it was rather funny.
You must understand you don’t know a lot of what you are saying. Saudi Arabia follows a much more radical form of Islam than Iran does. Yet the US never bashes the Saudis…oh yes, thats right. The Saudis provide you with millions of barrels of oil. If Iran signed a contract and did the same, none of this would be a problem would it?
Equalityforall: Thank you for setting the record straight. The blind patriotism of the American people — we must educate ourselves on the dreadful brutal history of the U.S. government on peoples around the world, resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent peoples in dozens of nations by their attacks on their nations,support of dictators who murder their own people while U.S. corporations suck the wealth out of the countries, the labeling of resisters as terrists to the American public to gain support for its aggressions, etc., etc. And just since George Bush has been in the White House, there have been so many lies — why would anyone believe anything our government says about threats from Iran? Iraq is a perfect example. De ja vous anyone???
A couple of thoughts/comments about the posts here:
First, I detest Hillary Clinton, but could we please refrain from the misogynist statements (e.g., referring to her “cankles”)?
Second, I see that Riverman has been reincarnated as Bojangles. Welcome back, Riverman.
Third, I don’t want to see any country with nuclear capability. But what gives the U.S. the right to say who can and cannot have nuclear power? Especially since we’re the only country in the world to have “obliterated” a people with atomic bombs?
Finally, always remember, please don’t feed the trolls. Thank you for visiting and have a nice day.
AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 2:43 pm — “wow. so how will Iran go about erasing the regime with anything other than violence?”
Perhaps they suffer from the same delusions as US “liberators” and expect to be greeted by cheering mobs in the streets with flowers and candy.
At least there won’t be any problem with proving Israel’s possession of real WMDs. In fact, their actual use by that poor “threatened” regime would not be unlikely in the circumstances.
The only advantage I can see for a US “pre-emptive” attack on Iran would be to avoid the total exposure of Isreal’s hypocrital posture in the region and the indirect consequences that would have for US hegemony. So maybe it might make sense in some very twisted geopolitical context.
No there isnt a lot I know about IRan - I stopped being intersested after what Ive seen in her leadership. I know her people are a fine lot, and in a fine mess. trust me, I despise the Saudis far more than i do Iranians because of the blind, foolish and deadly insistence on embracing Wahabism - nonetheless, Iranians must realize that their leadership imperils them as much as ours do in the United States.
anne faith May 5th, 2008 3:13 pm — “Finally, always remember, please don’t feed the trolls. Thank you for visiting and have a nice day.”
You’re right. Sorry. Sometimes it’s very hard to resist. :^)
funny how when one disagrees or refuses to swallow the kool-ade, one is labeled as a troll. so much for independant thought.
Angst you must realise that war or threat of destruction is not the answer. Have you ever entertained the thought that the greatest single threat to global stability might indeed be the United States? Do you realise that when you fill your car up with gas you may have blood on your hands?
Sometimes it helps to be critical of your own state and government. The leadership in the US does not just imperil its citizens but citizens around the world. That is what you must understabd. Irans leadership may only be self-defeating for Iranians. Bad leadership in the US can lead to global chaos. Therefore Angst, to go back on topic, do you really think it was right for Mrs Clinton to make those comments?
Ansgt do not lose interest in Iran, if you hold it so such high a standard, I think you would lose interest in the majority of states in this world!
I do not agree with many of the United States policies yet I am still enjoying a year of study here!
Do you realise that when you fill your car up with gas you may have blood on your hands?
- til we become a country where mass transit is an option, then I feel no guilt. I need to pay the mortgage too, friend.
Sometimes it helps to be critical of your own state and government. The leadership in the US does not just imperil its citizens but citizens around the world
- beleive it or not, while I am a conservative, i do oppose the action in Iraq (not afghanistan) and while I do recognize that the US did and does manipulate countries to do her bidding, those countries also willingly sign on for the cash rewards and fabulous prizes (the subhuman scum in the house of Saud being a prime example).
Do I think it was right for her to make the comments….? yes. and the reason is this - so long as Iran makes retarded statements, so won’t our politicians. whether you’re a mullah or a fat liberal senator from NY, all politics is made of stupid people saying stupid things to get elected. I therefore do not support her statement, but I understand, in the world of political rhetoric,where it comes from.
equalityforall, thank you for your thoughtful comments.
And I’m just wondering, because I come here every day to read the articles, but I don’t always read the comments, are there any moderators on board here?
til we become a country where mass transit is an option, then I feel no guilt. I need to pay the mortgage too, friend.
Have you ever considered living abroad?
those countries also willingly sign on for the cash rewards and fabulous prizes (the subhuman scum in the house of Saud being a prime example).
Those countries often have no choice. Take Nigeria for example. Also - The house of Saud have used huge amounts of the oil money to build vital infrastructure in Saudi Arabia. Like I said, there is little alternative. Angst your thinking is still too one-sided you must see the errors in your reasoning.
You think it was right to make those comments….but you do not support her statement…..ok…that err…clears that one up then.
so long as Iran makes retarded statements, so won’t our politicians. whether you’re a mullah or a fat liberal senator from NY, all politics is made of stupid people saying stupid things to get elected.
Great reasoning :S I have no problem with you being a conservative. However, you are all so pessimistic! Why are you so willing to just accept the status quo?!
Here’s a list of those who have taken over our government and are continually pushing for war with Iran. And note too, that these individuals are all dual Israeli citizens. The US has been taken over by a foreign power.
Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) - “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director - Ken Melman
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. - Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs - Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter - David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis
yes - I have often considered….and my young republican past is going to have a serious problem - moving to Amsterdam. Granted, i speak only english, but there HAS to be something I can do over there.
- Im not willing to accept the status quo. the only reason I was attracted to conservatism is because the democrats didnt represent my interests. hell, im as pissed off as to our adventurism (mismanaged as it is) into Iraq. At the end of the day, my interest was mostly social - I didnt want to give up more money in taxation to a government that wasnt actually kicking any services to me and I have a lot of philosophical differences as to societal ills such as crime and how it should be handled.
Amsterdam is not full of pot-heads and strip-clubs as the majority of people that haven’t been there think…Its actually a beautiful city. The people there are also fantastic with languages (most can speak 2 or more) and everyone can speak english. Also, I found Miami and Vegas a lot more socially provocative than Amsterdamn!
equalityforall May 5th, 2008 3:24 pm — do you really think it was right for Mrs Clinton to make those comments?
Getting back to the topic as you suggest, FWIW, I think a lot depends on what is meant by “right”.
To whatever extent Clinton may possibily have been trying to point out the availability of massive deterence and thus the utter absurdity of any real threat from Iran, her remarks could be interpreted as quite sensible. But, if that was her intention, the belligerent words that she chose were most assuredly not the “right” ones for gaining broad support outside the warmongering class.
I suppose we’re all forced to accept the realities of US politics being aimed at the domestic audience with very little, if any, regard for how it plays elsewhere. And, even at that, it’s very often an appeal to the “lowest common denominator”.
“she at least knows that there needs to be harsh rhetoric when you’re dealing with a violent theocracy such as Iran”
Funny, I am quite certain this sentiment is shared by those in Iran, but referring to the “violent theocracy” that is both Israel and the US.
I am reminded of Wendell Berry’s poem, “A Small Theology”
“With God all things are possible”-
that’s the beginning and the end
of theology. If all things are possible,
nothing is impossible.
Why do the godly then
keep slinging out their nooses?
Hilary is an abomination…vote for her, and the drums continue to beat. Don’t do it.
sung425, that’s a sobering list. Do you have proof as to the dual citizenship?
Hillary will be a continuation of Bush. It’s obvious that there is no difference between them - she is a Republican in Democratic clothing.
I don’t have the transcript but one of the things I liked in Clinton’s response on This Week about Iran was her understanding that most PEOPLE in Iran are hard working, loving people who go to school, love, and care about one another. She was critical of the far-right elements (the clerics) who are dangerous to the country & to the entire middle east. I agree with that; I disagree with what she would do. But I must say I found her answers substantive and if you would clear your minds of your hatred, you would see that she isn’t the evil demon you’ve made her out to be. She’s a politician.
On the other hand, the love without evidence for Obama astounds me! His interviews were not substantive. He’s inexperienced and an elitist. He is corporate (so is she)… my point is she’s the best we can do this time around. I really hope that the superdelegates do the right thing and nominate HER rather than Obama.
She’s a disgusting, warmongering creep, but she’s saying what our Zionist media wants to hear, and when she threatened to obliterate 70,000,000 Iranains, yarmulkes were in the air in Tel Aviv.
That’s all that matters.
well considering most of the middle east is still IN the stone age, it wouldnt take more than a firecracker to accomplish that.
I’m glad you admit they aren’t a threat. Now ease off on the tough guy talk.
My apologies to anyone who has said what I’m about to already but I just don’t have the time nor the inclination to read the 98 comments that have preceded me..
It’s a miserable rainy day in Houston (I awoke to the pitter patter on my mobile home roof about 5am) and I’m busy celebrating Cinco de Mayo (although frankly, I prefer mine with Miracle Whip)
Seriously, folk. When I heard Hillary make her “obliterate Iran” remarks the first time. (It was on the eve of an earlier primary, possibly Pennsylvania), my immediate reaction was, “Well, even if you’re a Democrat or Independent and not inclined to vote for Obama. why would you want another Democrat who is simply echoing the Bush/Cheney policy which John McCain also embraces?”
Who can forget how he stood before a crowd at some gathering last year and reminded everyone of the Beach Boys’ hit song…Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
And, if you want to simply put aside the tough tactics, face it, people; if Iran were to develop the nuclear capability to attack Israel, that country would retaliate before Hillary could get her “3 a.m. call”. Stick with your domestic issues, Hillary, and try to keep your mouth shut for the time being. You might need it later to perform a few “Lewinskies” on some of the super=delegates come convention time.
I don’t know why I’m even wasting my time talking about the Democratic side. You saw how Tim Russert had to query Obama on the Rev. Wright thing yesterday. The issue should have been over last Tues.
I firmly believe that if Hillary can’t take down Obama, John McCain won’t have to; he can just sit back and watch our glorious news media do it for him.
I have faith and trust in my fellow Americans. If there were enough of you out there dumb enough to re-elect George W. Bush in 2004, there are surely enough to elect John McCain in 2008.
It seems that people who can read and write view Hillary with some degree of suspicion.
Hi ~Anne Faith~, I love it when you post comments and you are correct, we should not feed the trolls, but it’s fine to point them out. Indeed our own ~RIVERERMAN~ is back in full form as ~BOJANGLES~. So a little fun will be here along with the other nutcase who says if we have a difference of opinion we call him a troll. Difference of opinions is RIGHT.
You’re not a troll AGNST, you’re a friggin screwball who is totally ignorant of world affairs and one who displays no evidence of human decency I may add. That name you selected with “OF The People”" is a good one. Of what people, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Hitler, Betrayus, Vlad The Impaler?
Hi ~ANNEMB~ to compare Hillary to Bush is just mouthing words. Neither Hillary nor Obama compare to Bush in any way, except both have voted every time to fund the war in Iraq and for the same basic reasons.
McCain is Bush the third and Hillary will fight McCain tooth and nail on every issue and does not support his policies, so she’s no Bush. Actually Obama is closer to McCain in many respects, check all of his votes as a U.S. Senator. Also Obama is tighter than a surgical glove to Joe Lieberman. People should check it out before they just mouth words.
no barelyhuman, ill talk as i see fit.
Delilah, you need to do something with Samson’s hair……..and that “Angst” fella could use a little trim around the ears too.
What have I done….found myself in one of those dumb chat rooms?
But it’s interesting and fun ~Pontifpappa~. Much better than the TV news and no commercials.
“No, why would I have any regrets?”
You know, that does sound like Daddy’s drunk moronic son:
“But one question for which Bush was evidently not prepared invited him to name his biggest mistake since 9/11.
“I wish you’d have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it,” Bush joked before taking a long pause.
“I’m sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn’t yet.”
Which is his way of saying he don’t have no r’grets neither no how. Actually, he don have lotsa ways to say it:
“I must tell you, I’m sleeping a lot better than people would assume.”
Or:
“It’s been a fantastic year.”
“F**k Saddam. We’re takin ‘em out.”
Cheney ain’t got no regrets neither too:
“The President has made the right decisions for the right reasons and he always reflected the values of the American people,” Cheney declared, “Would I support those same decisions today? You’re damn right I would.”
Someone should ask Corporate Candidate Clinton if she has any regrets about not stopping her pretend husband from starving hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children to death…
A power hungry politician who proclaims her intent to obliterate an entire nation in the name of security or vote banking forfeits the right to rule a nation, let alone one that is sitting on the world’s largest arsenal of bombs and weapons.
Hillary Clinton has shown herself unworthy of the White House.
Angst of the People (which you’ve got, which makes you so manipulatable), what precisely is your evidence that “harsh rhetoric” has ever been effective in dealing with Iran?
You need to learn more about this country of young people. You could start by reading Bruce Laingen, whose first principle is that all harsh rhetoric does is get an Iranian’s back up.
Galen wrote: Amehdinejad said “Israel’s regime will be erased from the pages of history”.
Incorrect. Ahmadinejad said The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time, and this was paraphrasing the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/260107offthemap.htm
No Jews mentioned.
AngstOfThePeople is a troll. Ignore him.
I do find it so strange, how intellignet people still state that Hillary intends to nuke Iran. It’s just not true.
She replied to a hypothetical question, “What would she do as president “IF” Iran nuked IsreaL”?
she repled, I hate to say it, but IF Iran should ever be so stupid as to do that, we would attack Iran and we could obliterate them. ___ The words “If”–”EVER”–”Could”. Are ignored by many. It was not, “I WILL do it if elected and we will obliterate Iran”, as some are writing she said.
When that question was asked of Obama? He dodged the question very well, but when pressed for an answer he repleid, “I have said many times, that ALL military options will be on the table when it concerns Iran and that we must protect and defend Isreal.” ALL options include atomic weapons.
The only difference there between Hillary and Obama on that issue? __ The word “Obliterate”. Obama and Hillary have almost identical opinions on the issue of Iran. Talk about semasiology and making a big deal out of one word. ____ Wow.
Can you imagine people would defend a person that call for the destruction of an entire nation? Fools! There are people here who say that an Iraqi Clergymen should follow US lead and the USA knows what it is doing as if it belongs in Iraq and an Iraqi person doesn’t? Can you imagine such nonsense? This is America the home of nonsense and rubbish but it is free for the asking everything is free so these people believe.
Who can possibly believe that it worth making statements here? Rational thought does not come easily in the most powerful nation on Earth. This is the problem with power it fosters megalomania! Europeans at least employ respectful dialog.
There are a very few rational thinkers that tune in to CD to hear the rubbish and bickering made on these useless pages. Join the discussion? join the nonsense in most cases!
KEM, please settle down. I believe that most people who take a harsh attitude towards Mrs Clinton’s statement is the use of the word obliterate. That is truly a harsh word. Had she used something more worthy of a statesman (statesperson for the pc), she would have been recognized and applauded as a leader. Alas, the use of THAT word demonstrates that she is not yet ready to leave the kiddy sandbox.
The truth is that leaders words are dissected and examined in minute detail. It is absolutely imperative that they select their words wisely and concisely. We live in a hair-trigger world. I’m tired of cowboys with no education. JFK was the last true statesman.
My mother and I are having an argument about whether Clinton means the things she is saying or just wants to appear presidential. I’m taking her at her word. My biggest fear now is that I will be forced to choose between Clinton and McCain. Is she the lesser of two evils? Or are they two sides of the same sold out coin? I am sickened. I voted for this woman in the primary. MG, what was I thinking? Obama is being honest and upright. I think we can trust this intelligent, honorable man. He does not pander. What is more, he may be the bridge we need to begin to heal many differences in our nation and with other nations. The more Obama is attacked on things that he never did, the stronger the case for his election.
Well if you continue to state that Clinton said she WOULD destroy an entire nation ~IKE KAY~, then who is the fool who posts nonsense here?
Whatever you do, don’t vote third party. Obama and Hillary give us good reasons to vote for them as long as we want everything to continue the way it is.
Why should we start having justice in America? Everything is going so well. Justice It is so passe and overblown.
This country got along fine obliterating the Native Indians. The economy boomed (for a few individuals anyway) with the advent of child labor, slavery, and corporate control of the economy. No need to stop.
A few wars, a few polar caps meling, the extinction of most large mammals in the wild in the next 20 years. WHAT’S NOT TO LIKE?
So continue debating who is going to take you closer to what you have already accepted. The morally defunct, spiritually void (I’m an atheist and I realise this), self-oblitering unsustainable consuming sopciety called America.
It’s a beautiful world for you,
for you,
but not for me. DEVO
I’m voting third party. I don’t want to give the stick to the man who is going to hit me over the head with it. I’m funny that way. Let him find his own stick.
People.the untouchables in Wash.DCDO NOT CARE
WHAT YOU THINK.!!!
What is this bull of you asking me me to “please sellte down” ~WTF~?
I’m posting MY opinions here, just as you and everyone else here is, I not being rude, nor am I upset in any fashion whatsoever. By writing that to me however, you may give others the impression that I’m out of control or some such thing. What’s your problem, was that your intent?
I am also fully aware that Hillary COULD have used other words, ___ as Obama did sayin gth edamse thing. Politicians on the campaign trail sometimes use a WORD that the press or their opponent jumps on and it often hurts them.
It was a word, ___(obliterate)___, not an ‘intended action’ as so many are portraying it. Hillary’s opponents, Obama and the media, are making a big deal of the WORD for politiical reasons and they’re making a lot of hay with it, as you likely are fully aware.
Honest and intelligent people should be able to see it for what it actually is, ____ “hard ball politics”. ___They can if they want to be fair or honest about it. Progresives are fair and honest. __ Right?
amacd May 5th, 2008 12:28 pm
You got it man. No vote for the complicit Dem party .. doesn’t matter Hillary or Obama.
Okay, this finally did it. No regrets for suggesting killing millions of people is all right. Give me a break. I’m voting for Obama because these war mongering politicians are nuts.
I did attempt to correct the mis-spelled word ~SETTLE~, two minutes after I posted, but the screen says I’m not alowed to edit, because I passed the 30 minute time period.
I know time is short and we should stop and smell the roses, but I didn’t realize it was that short.
AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 1:39 pm
I don’t see what choice we have BUT to take a strong stance with Iran. Iran DOES threaten Israel (and the US)
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OK you Angst&%#wiseguy. tell me how many countries has Iran invaded during the last 50 years. Now count up how many US has.
Clueless Americans like you are the root cause of the current state of our country.
I do think Obama suggested it also ~Divine Mauler~. He just wisely didn’t use that awful “politically” incorrect word. Of course he was second up to bat for the question.
Politics is almost as much fun as posting comments here at C/D.
KEM, my intention was not to imply that you are out of control - far from it.
However, it does illuminate how easily people can find offense in a single word/expression (in this case, “settle down”). Perhaps now you can understand why some people find offense with the word “obliterate”.
Yeah, don’t vote for either Hillary Or Obama, vote for McCain.
Orrrr, vote for RON Paul, McKinney or Nader, or write in Kucinich.___ McCain will love you for those votes and will give you God’s blessings when the senile idiot bomb, bombs Iran.
That’s whatwe need, a Naval “Tail-Hook” avaitor in the White House. Once a tail-hooker, ALWAYS a tail-hooker. Machoism is alive and well.
Hillary the Hawk also has Venezuela, another oil country, in her crosshairs. She’s dangerous to world peace.
QUESTION TO HILLARY : WHAT ARE ISRAEL’S NUMEROUS NUCLEAR BOMBS FOR IF IT CAN’T DEFEND ITSELF ALONE???
hmmm what would i do if iran nuked israel? i would do a dance that made chad johnsons touch down celebrations look mild by comparison.
Hillary Clinton is an evil “C**T” I cannot believe that anyone will still support her after the nasty campaign she has run. She has all but admitted that she would rather Mccain win then Obama…I mean what the “F” …. I am beginning to doubt she’s even a human being…..Marvin K Mooney will you please go now!!!!!
To Sung425
Thanks for the list of dual citizens…USA and Israeli.
If you are right, the apparent neo-con coup of our country is actually a coup by a foreign country.
Well ~WTF~ excellent point. And thank you for the decent clarification.
Can you imagine yourself being on a tough and tiring, rigerous campaign and not ever using a word that could have been neglected or replaced with another?
Hillary is a college grad, and then on to Yale Law school, she’s highly educated, the only student to ever have been allowed to speak at a Wesley College graduation ceremony. She is very intelligent. Those type of people sometimes use BIG words.
I do not recall in my enitre 72 years, ever using the word “obliterate”. Didn’t even know how to spell it, much less speak it. Obama said the same things a different way,___ diffrent WORDS. ___ Therefore, he’s prepared to be the president and she isn’t?
“Feeble deeds are vainer far than words”._______
_______~Benjamin Desraeli~
“Totally Obliterate”:
every child,
every woman,
every old person,
every person struggling under the oppressive theocracy and aspiring to live in freedom,
every city,
every village
every house,
every museum,
every school,
every mountain,
every river,
every valley,
every tree,
every animal,
every living creature,
GOD BLESS AMERICA
RE: AngstOfThePeople May 5th, 2008 3:43 pm
“At the end of the day, my interest was mostly social - I didnt want to give up more money in taxation to a government that wasnt actually kicking any services to me and I have a lot of philosophical differences as to societal ills such as crime and how it should be handled.”
I find your statement rather hypocritical, Angst, since by your own words you explain you are not as concerned with social as financial. Just consider yourself fortunate you presently have no need of a ’social’ safety-net (that requires an investment NOW in sound financial planning rather than when too late), but sometime in the future you could find yourself in circumstances (just like an ever increasing number of Americans) when you WILL. Just because some needy people in the lower income brackets get something you don’t does this mean you have to be jealous?…or mean & angry about it? How about a little pride at being magnanimous or noble?
Relating back to the article at hand (and your stated concern for finance above people) do you realize, due to what the misadventure in Iraq is costing us in taxes to support a bloated military budget, the actual cost of a gallon of gas is closer to $8 than $4, but much of this is really a ‘hidden’ tax imposed by this administration on a public with a majority who strenuously object to this ‘blood & treasure for oil’ fiasco? Contrary to Republican ’spin’ (AKA lies) most people don’t realize with this massive tax increase, since the “Borrow & Spend” neo-CON machine has propagandized a very foolish America, it is not the current taxpayer who will suffer most, but future generations this massive fraud has been foisted off on.
If you had done some serious un-biased research, instead wasting time spewing ideological fiction rather than fact based statements on this thread, you might have discovered that Zionists, whether Isreali or American, Jewish or Christian, are the real international criminals/enemies, having originated the concept of terrorist attacks on civilians, numerous ‘false flag’ operations fomenting conflict around the globe, and continually soaking billions of un-necessary tax dollars from Americans in order to not only arm Isreal, but to play the part of doing Isreal’s dirty work by acting as the ‘big bully’ toward nations surrounding that small nation representing a rather miniscule percentage of world population.
Have you considered that instead of the current $8 gasoline costs us, if we attack Iran the price could go up possibly to twice that amount? For someone like yourself, predisposed to financial over humanitarian concerns, I would think you would include this in your equation. Hillary’s ‘obliterate’ comment was as dangerous internationally as McCain’s ill considered “Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran” juvenile quip. What does it matter how leaders posture having big cajones if they don’t have common sense, non-ideological driven facts, or intelligence to match?
One more item you brought up that must be countered with facts rather than just fiction. The CIC (Correctional Industrial Complex), with over $50 billion of taxpayer money sucked out of Americans’ pockets yearly, is about being a money making enterprise rather than a system to administer justice. A very high percentage of law breakers wouldn’t be so if they just had a decent income/job, but we waste all that money just locking people up instead, much of that being racist or (lack of) income driven.
Many of your comments, Angst, seem to be more about being a problem, rather than looking at facts & offering solutions, so why are you even on this site. To be frank, you remind me of the Indian character in the movie “Little Big Man” called a ‘contrary’, who always looked at the world to be faced in a backward (regressive) viewpoint than a forward (progressive) one.
Clinton has three fatal flaws: #1 she is happily and unapologetically taking money from special interests and lobbies; #2 she voted for the War in Iraq (and she’s unapologetic about that); and #3 she will unapologetically obliterate a country full of innocent people who have no control over what their leadership does. You know, that white man who used to be in the diplomatic corp who made the statement of “chickens coming home to roost” will have another reason to add to the list if Clinton ever gets to be president and fulfills flaw #3.
RE: toomuchsun May 5th, 2008 4:39 pm
“sung425, that’s a sobering list. Do you have proof as to the dual citizenship?”
toomuchsun, I’ve seen sung425’s list before, and even a longer one with 200 high level administration names on it, but don’t know the entire truth of the list. One thing I do know of, and most important, is Michael Chertoff, is claimed to be a dual Isreali/US citizen. Does this make sense? As the saying goes, “No man can serve two masters”. How could someone be placed in the position of head of Department of Homeland Security with such an obvious conflict of interest? Another Bushism similar to, “Doin’ a heck of a job, Brownie”, and you see where that got us.
no barelyhuman, ill talk as i see fit.
Okay, okay, calm down. If the Arabs in their huts on the other side of the planet are scaring you with their big mean words, go ahead and talk to the evil liberals on the Internet like you’re a tough guy if that’s what makes you feel safer. I just won’t take what you say so seriously.
Great post ~Paul M. Smith~. So is Lieberman a duelly and who’s his side kick?____ McCain is. And sadly so is Obama, only they haven’t been so obvious since Obama started to campaign for the presidency. After all, Lieberman won’t hold hands with both of them at the same time and McCain obviously needs his close advice more than Obama does.
Hillary is “highly educated, went to Yale (so did George Bush, and I’m not impressed with his intellect), intelligent, blah blah blah.”
I’ve known several dumb college grads and some very intelligent people from poor countries who didn’t have the opportunity to go to college.
Does Hillary the Hawk have common sense and a good heart? Is she kind and compassionate? Is she merciful and wise?
NO, she is not. What’s more, she wants to prove that she’s tougher than a man. She should never be in the White House, and neither should McInsane.
Hillbilly McBush is winning over uneducated white trash by threatening to start another war. Dear God, please make her go away.
That’s your opinion ~IilluIu~ Bush barely passed and Hillary was a 3.99 grade average. College don’t give anyone common sense or decency. I was making a point that college grads will at times speak with the use of seldom used words. Lots of college grads are over-educated idiots.
Is Hillary any more a hawk than Obama? Or is Obama actualy more so? Check their actual records and you may be very surprised. Lieberman is actually the one who really wants us to attack Iran and he’s deep in both McCain’s and Obama’s pockets. Check it out,___ or deny it.
And another uneducated comment has now been posted that Hillary is threatening to start another war.
~RAY~ ___ If you’re going to pray to God to get rid of Hillary, how about expanding the list and include a few others in Washington DC. Quite a few, you may be praying for a long time though.
Oh, BTW, before you commense your prayers, ___ I’m not in Washington DC.
I feel obligated to run it once a day as there may still be some who have missed it:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1028-01.htm
I’ve seen this dual citizenship list a number of times, without verification. Is it possible that many of these people merely have two passports, one for Israel and one for the rest of the world? This is very common, even among casual travelers.
I don’t buy the whole “zionists control the world” thing, that was a Nazis rallying cry and I don’t see why any progressives should adopt it. On the other hand, it does seem that a lot of our foreign policy revolves around keeping Israel protected, without question or compromise. Of course, so much of what this criminal administration tells us is lies, and they have been known to leak pre-emptive lies which they can then refute (the Dan Rather Bush NG AWOL papers, eg) that I’d really need more proof of 200 Israeli moles in the Bush administration.
To wonder6789,
Finally, after countless posts, counter-posts and circular arguments (many enjoyable to read), someone has focused in on the true impact of Mrs. Clinton’s answer to what is a very challenging question.
Semantics does count in this debate, and her choice of the work “obliterate” was an offense to human dignity and grossly unworthy of a anyone, let alone a candidate for important office.
The human and moral cost is rarely factored into the economic and political equations which generate the decisions to bomb, ravage and torture sovereign nations. These decisions are focused solely on foreign policy and the agenda of global capitalism. Mrs. Clinton was foolish enough to let her guard down, showing everyone what the clown has on underneath the makeup, rainbow wig and floppy shoes - she is a policy wonk, a careerist politico who, for all her talk of change, represents so little change you have to start questioning the sanity of even voting.
We would never “obliterate” Iran. If Irana hit Israael with a nuclear bomb, or even non-nuclear, before we had a chance to think Israel would use some of its arsenal of 200 bombs and no more Iran. Iran knows this.
But there’s a silver lining. It’s possible that Pakistanwould react, wipe out Israel, and enough bombs would go off to cause a nuclear winter. And, voila! the problem of global warming would be solved. Crazy? You bet.
IF, and I do mean -IF- there was a nuclear detonation in iran, think what all that lovely radioactive fallout would to to about 8400 square miles of oil fields. Who in their right mind would be so psychotically desperate to work in a radioactive hellhole extracting oil to fuel the further murderous depredations of Corporate America?
Not to mention the drifting fallout reaching Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Myanmar/Burma, Indonesia, Bali… Australia… HAWAII and eventually….. ( kettle drum roll please)…
CALIFORNIA!!!
That’s right folks.
You (USA or Israel) nuke Iran, Mickey Mouse and his pals glow in the dark! WOO HOO! Party Time!!
There is something wonderful about a middle aged white woman with a protruding behind in a pant suit mouthing threats to annihilate a muslim country.
Her interview with George Stenphanopoulis on “The Week” was very informative and complete, proporting vigorous diplomacy to find out who was controlling Iran. Anyone who wishes to see her complete explanation should review this part of the actual transcript.
And with respect to Iran, I have advocated vigorous diplomatic engagement. You see, we don’t even really understand exactly how decisions are made in Iran, because we have been so isolated from Iran. They have an elected leadership with Ahmadinejad, who’s all over the TV, but I believe most decisions are made by the clerical leadership, the Supreme Leader, that actually is responsible for the Revolutionary Guard.
And we need to have a very intense diplomatic engagement with Iran, and I’ve advocated that for several years, in order for us to try to manage whatever they might do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But a lot of our experts look at Iran and they say there is a mass of Iranian people who wa