Pakistani Govt Reveals How Benazir Was Killed
New Delhi: Mystery shrouds the death of former Pakistan prime minister Benazir Bhutto. In an explosive revelation, Pakistan’s Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz on Friday said that Bhutto did not die of bullet wounds.
Nawaz said that Bhutto died from a head injury. At least seven doctors from the Rawalpindi General Hospital - where the leader was rushed immediately after the attack - say there were no bullet marks on Bhutto’s body.
The doctors have submitted a report to the Pakistan government in which they say that no post-mortem was performed on Bhutto’s body and they had not received any instructions to perform one.
“The report says she had head injuries - an irregular patch - and the X-ray doesn’t show any bullet in the head. So it was probably the shrapnel or any other thing has struck her in her said. That damaged her brain, causing it to ooze and her death. The report categorically ssyas there’s no wound other than that,” Nawaz told a Pakistani news channel.
Government sources say there will be an investigation to determine why no autopsy was conducted.
According to agency reports doctors at the Rawalpindi General Hospital tried desperately for 41 minutes to revive former prime minister Bhutto after she was shot but failed in their efforts.
Bhutto was declared dead 41 minutes after she was brought the hospital’s emergency department at 1735 hrs (local time) (1805 hrs IST) with open wounds on her left temporal bone from which “brain matter was exuding”, the report said.
It said Bhutto was not breathing at the time and her pulse and blood pressure “were not recordable”.
IANS adds: According to the report, “immediate resuscitation (process) was started” and she was taken to the operation theatre where she was attended by a team of doctors headed by Musaddiq Khan, principal of the Rawalpindi Medical College, Dawn reported Friday.
“Left antrolateral thoracotomy for open cardiac massage was performed,” the hospital report said, adding: “In spite of all the possible measures she could not be revived and (was) declared dead at 1816 hrs IST (6.16 p.m.).”
An autopsy was not carried out at the hospital “because the district administration and police had not requested the hospital authorities (for this)”, the report said.
Bhutto was shot not far from where Pakistan’s first prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan was killed by an assassin’s bullet on Oct 16, 1951.
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“At least seven doctors from the Rawalpindi General Hospital … say there were no bullet marks on Bhutto’s body.”
“Bhutto was shot…”
Perhaps the press can get its story straight.
Todays revelation of the cause of death should really buttress the argument that there was US involvement. Apparently the plan was to have a bomb go off - like earlier and thereby polarize the Pakistani populance towards Ms. Bhutto.
As she was the only major oppositon leader NOT boycotting what will oviously be a rigged campaign. The reason being very simple - she had the support of the UK and the US. The election would have given two faces to one hegemony (the miliary face of Musharaff and the supposedly ‘democratic’ face of Bhutto). This would then mollify the increasing criticism of backing a military dictator for decades while’promoting’ democray in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Iran ad nauseum. In adition: it has recentlycome out that Ms. Bhutto had promised te US to the ability to have troops with in Pakistan -not just as advisors but the abilityvto have a military base.
I doubt they thought that something as BIZARRE as Butto ducking her head in a furious hurry would cause her death. It is interesting how the papers were plastered with reportsof gunshots!! Apparently the gunshots MUST have come from her or pakistanis forces security forces.
In addition- this correction of the cause of death makes it highly supicious that this was an event ’staged’ by the CIA to garner her more support- and cast her as a fierce, brave, independent proponent of democracy (while she was in fact nothing more than yet another stooge in the pay of the US).
I am sure that or hope that this will not be lost on the peoples of the world. This calculated mis-direction was a key to the counter-insurgency (read nationalist) movements destroyed by the British in Africa and Midle East. It is the same oldplan - whch is highy effective - tons of disinformation and forcing people to choose between two options that are really one option (sort of like the Democrat/Republian Party). All other choices are either criminalized or marginalized.
maybe they will send her(skull) cranium and her brain to the same place they sent john f. kennedy’s…….
No autopsy.
face it-some government thug beat her on the head.
Shots were fired towards the assailants.
Did a bomb really blow up, near her car, after her beating ?
Check the facts.
Judge for yourself.
Very quick burial there. No post-mortem performed.
And the “shot in neck and chest” (AP) was non-existent.
Now Al-Qaeda - that amorpheus, far-reaching and intangible net-work “base” - is conveniently blamed.
Whatever the story, clearly not the full story.
The MSM will push the Al-Qaeda connection and the Sheepeole will buy it-another reason to give away our civil rights and liberties for “security”, just what we need as 9/11 fades into history-more fear.
Benazir Bhutto’s corruption discussed here by her niece:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2007/12/pakistan_the_ot.html#
And over at democracynow.org today they have excellent analysis about how Bhutto towed the Washington line while in power.
It really doesn’t matter who did it. Could have been anybody.
The US will probably try to blame it on Al Qaeda, who has been their Official Suspect and Bogeyman for some time now (How much does the CIA pay Bin Laden and others now–they must have gotten at least cost-of-living raises over the years since they were the US stooges against the Russians in Afghanistan).
Who wrote this story: “The report says she had head injuries - an irregular patch - and the X-ray doesn’t show any bullet in the head. So it was probably the shrapnel or any other thing has struck her in her said. That damaged her brain, causing it to ooze and her death. The report categorically ssyas there’s no wound other than that,” Nawaz told a Pakistani news channel.
Or, who edited it? This statement is incomprehensible. Was she shot or not? No Autopsy! Bizarre. how stupid are we that this is an acceptable practice?
peace,
st john
the weasel, with feathers on his snout, declares the chicken dropped dead of a heart attack……. and you posted it Commondreams…
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1060.htm
Sniper Teams Kill Pakistan’s Bhutto Prior To Meeting US Lawmakers
Interesting theory about Bhutto;s death, too bad there is not a shred of evidence to support it. I am sure the author of this article is readily able to get their hands on FSB presidential briefings. Taking this article at face value is about as good as taking a Bush speech at face value.
Its amazing the amount of people who will decry the mainstream media to know end, but will latch on to every crazy theory with zealous devotion.
Common Sense editor: This inexact “story” was not worth printing.
This site has been printing more and more”inexact” stories lately.
I commented on it a few weeks ago in regard to the anti-Chavez articles published here around the time of the referendum.
Never got a response.
Apparently this site, like others, is just in it for the money that comes from the number of hits.
I was referring to the theory about the sniper attack, but the primary article is also of little probative value. It is far to soon to know for sure the exact manner or mechanism of Bhutto’s death, so everything now is speculation. However, some speculation is more firmly grounded in evidence. The lack of an autopsy is suprising, I am not aware of any religious reasons for this, which would be the only grounds I could think of for not doing one. Of course with the trauma inflicted by the explosion the autopsy would probably not be able to give a conclusion that would satisfy doubts.
Since there is NO adverts on this site, it CANNOT be “in it for the money that comes from the number of hits.”
Islamic law states the dead are to be buried “as soon as possible”, http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/Religionet/er/islam/Islife.htm and tradition/law states that one who is martyred is directly buried in the clothes died in, http://islam.about.com/cs/elderly/a/funerals.htm
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan29dec29,1,5013242.story?coll=la-headlines-world&track=crosspromo
“In addition to blaming pro-Taliban leader Baitullah Mahsud for Bhutto’s death, Pakistan’s Interior Ministry made a startling claim: that Bhutto had not been shot, as doctors and eyewitnesses reported, but that she had died of a fracture from striking her head.
“No bullets … were found in her body,” Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema told journalists.
Incredulous aides to Bhutto scoffed at the notion. “We all saw what happened to her,” said one senior associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was attending funeral rites that continued into the evening.”
Musharrafs regime is now trying to make it sound like Bhuttos death was accidental ?? What a bizarre world. Not even God can help Pakistan at this stage.
karlof:
Don’t try to tell me that there are no official sponsors for this site–and that they don’t pay based on traffic.
The site would be out of business in a heartbeat.
RedRaider:
Normally when there is no autopsy there is something being covered up.
Which does not mean that there cannot be autopsies AND coverups simultaneously, example:
Here in Mexico earlier this year an indigenous woman in her 70s was raped and beaten by a group of guys from the army. She died at the hospital, and supposedly there were 3 different autopsies–all contradictory.
But because the spurious president Calderon said that she had obviously died from gastritis, that’s what they finally went with–and all references to projectiles and broken ribs and vaginal and anal lesions disappeared into the ether….
Before you fill up on the MSM lineof what happened to Benazir Bhutto, pay attention to at least the first 7 minutes of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
The assassin — Omar Sheik, who is mentioned in the video — was known to work for the British MI6 (their intelligence agency) and has taken responsibility for the execution of Daniel Pearl — the Wall Street Journalist who was beheaded by him.
NOW, why haven’t we been told by ANY of the MSM about the fate of Osama Bin Laden? I have my theories … what are yours?
Bin Laden–if he is still alive as I can personally attest to chronic kidney failure being no picnic in the park–is still on the CIA payroll.
Moonraven, please click on “About Us” at the bottom of the page, and when you’ve read the following: “We are funded exclusively by our members and supporters - no corporate money, no advertising, no hidden agendas. With a small staff and a network of volunteers, we are proud of what we’ve accomplished on a shoestring budget…” then look to the left: you’ll see an endorsement of CD by Ralph Nader.
Why would you think that CD is “bought and sold” by some sinister, hidden person or group? Isn’t it more likely that the editors occasionally show poor judgment in deciding what to print here? Well, nobody’s perfect.
Muslim Death and Burial Customs
Most of the death and burial customs that Muslims follow have been laid down in the Shari’ah (Muslim laws), which were derived from the prophet Mohammed.
Muslims are always buried, never cremated.
Muslims believe in the sacredness of the human body and in general, postmortem examinations are not allowed by religion. However, if laws of the country demand a postmortem, then they must be performed.
Muslim women never attend burials. Women are considered “faint of heart” and so will become “hysterical.”
The body is released to the family as soon as possible, as religion requires that it be buried as quickly as possible. Muslim bodies are not embalmed, and decay should not be allowed to set in before burial.
The caskets in which the burials are performed are simple wooden boxes with no decorations.
The initial bereavement period lasts for three days, during which prayers in the home are recited almost continuously. Public rites are for men only.
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These customs may or may not provide any insight to why or why not certain procedures are or are not occurring. Considering that Benazir Bhutto was a high profile stateswoman, despite what anyone thinks about her character, someone should demand an autopsy be performed before she is buried. At least that would confirm the cause of death once and for all. And if her body needs to be embalmed, I’m sure in this case Allah would forgive the perpetrators of such desecration.
“Women don’t attend funerals” and “Public rites are for men only” - you’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
Pssst, you guys, didn’t anyone remember the video from yesterday? It’s on the bottom of my blog:
http://marjorieanndrake.blogspot.com/
Adele:
We don’t need no stinkin’ badges, gringa, to believe that all US media are under the control of corporations. We see it in the marked differences with which the same events are reported in other countries.
irishgawdess:
No respect for other cultures, huh?
I’m not a gringa, I’m a gabacho. Point is, this is bullshit, the whole freakin thing stinks, despite Bhutto’s sordid past.
I meant I am a gabacha. But spartacus, already the State Department has plans to move our troops in, so you’re being sarcastic, right? We’re in deep shit here.
Heh moonraven, whereabouts are you? Do you surf? We had a killer west swell a couple weeks back, couldn’t get into
Salisipuedes though.
See you guys later.
Marjorie: Unless you are also posting under the handle Adele, my post was not directed to you.
I am in Central Mexico, a little under 2 hours from Mexico City.
I lived for a year in Puerto Angel directing a department at the university which is actually in Zipolite, and never even put one toe in the water.
Maybe because I saw the raw sewage running down into the bay during the rainy season?
Well, apparently the US gave the word: Pakistan has officially blamed it on Al Qaeda, citing a tapped phone conversation as proof.
Right.
Spartacus- the eggs and omlette quote was from Robespierre during the French Revolution. No doubt with so much misinformation wafting around on this and many other sites - it helps to take refuge in the clinging to the ‘Oh my they have Nukes’.
Of course - the fact that a psychotic country which uses cluster bombs, invades countries on the pretext of rescuing TWO kidnapped soldiers, cuts off electricty and water to millions because they used a fair and free democratic election to CHOOSE representatives that did not want to continue to be suppressed by a false white mans’ burden ethic does NOT bother you. If there is any country on the faceof the earth that should not have nuclear bombs it is Israel- first and foremost.
With their recent military bungle - they have realized that after 40 years -people have adjusted to US funded air superiority, tanks and subsidized economy. I am with Michael Sheuer in this - go get your own economy, create your own wealth, milk your OWN taxpayers. why can’t you take some of these dual citizen US based intelligentsia, bankers etc and have them support the country DIRECTLY - instead of stealing OUR tax dollars by corrupting our representatives. Have some pride - after all its only been a few thousand years - and you would think the lessons of Spain, Germany, Poland, Italy, France stretching from the 1200s to the 1930s- would teach you to stop siphoning off the wealth off other counties and actually committing your own wealth DIRECTLY to your own country instead of using another nations taxpayers to subsidize your misguided, self-centered and amoral mission.
This is not being anti-semitic- it is being fair. Mexicans, Italians, Indians, Russians, Irish all are asked to CHOOSE and be GRATEFUL for being citizens of this country by not pursuing a dual agenda of supporting their home country with US taxpayer money. Please JOIN the REST of us in the melting pot and STOP siphoning off money that can be sned on our children to school and take car of our parents retirement. I personally feel we should start a referendum of petitions that ban any taxpayer money to any country but particularly Israel.
I am sure that if Israel could convince its UMPTEEn million dual citizens in the US, UK, France, etc etc to actually donate directly - or actually move their headquarters to Israel - this would be a good thing for Israel and defintiely a hige tax relief for us taxpayers.
Moonraven: I guess you had me (Adele) and Marjorie Ann mixed up, but what’s THIS comment all about?: “We don’t need no stinkin’ badges, gringa, to believe that all US media are under the control of corporations. We see it in the marked differences with which the same events are reported in other countries.”
From your vantage point in Mexico, you perceive the “US media” and commondreams.org as BOTH under corporate control? I come here as a respite from the depredations of Corporate America, and generally to find out more of what’s going on than I can learn through the “media.”
Of course, you’re entitled to your opinion on this, but then I wonder why you bother reading commondreams …
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/bhutto.photographer/index.html
Bhutto Photographer: ” Gunshots Rang Out And She Went Down”
This guy is the CNN Photographer who had been with Bhutto since her return from exile in October. As in any homicide, the body is the ‘Best Evidence”. The body tells you how and when it was killed. Any recovered bullets tell what type of weapon or weapons and at what angle of fire. So, according to the ‘latest official version’, shots were fired but none hit her (although the observation from her Main Stream Media photographer brings that into question). And, one or more explosions occurred yet no shrapnel wounds on the body either (shrapnel wounds or impact holes would clearly prove the type device used, ie: bomb or hand-held grenade launchers, et al). The official ’safe answer’ is “she hit her head” which requires no examination for bullets, shrapnel, et al.
And conveniently, the military knows the name of the perpetrator although he constantly eludes them. And no one ‘in authority’ thought about ordering a autopsy, which, if honestly conducted, would reveal all.
The Pakistan military is directly responsible by action or inaction for the death of Bhutto. Any terrorist organization would do anything to get the General dictator (who remains alive) rather than Bhutto. The involvement of Bush the inferior’s minions is very possible.
Clearly, the lack of an independent autopsy generally implicates the government and avoids the possibility of specific evidence.
It smells like Shotgun Dick.
Eyewitness account On Aaj TV ; The ladies who were sitting in the car had said taht BB asked the car to be stopped to thank the people once again. She got out of the sun roof. Then fell back into the vehicle again. The peopel sitting in the car thought that she had lost her balance. But then they noticed her head which was limp. Then one of them noticed or felt blood. They asked the driver to move the car. It was when the car was moving that they heard the blast.
At one point the news reported that the crime scene was not roped off but washed off. Again indicating that there is no serious investigation into such things as DNA evidence- a gun was shown lying in a puddle of blood on the pavement- was that checked for fingerprints?
It looks like there is fno serious investigation going on.
Of course Bush said raid away that there must be a thorugh investigation and people should be held accountable and that had the same ring to it as when he said that same thing after Valerie Plame was outed- that he was going to punish those who did that!
It is serious when countries do not even make an effort to make a serious investigation– the same is going on in Russia where 200 journlists were assasinated since 1992 and only 6 crimes have been solved although other crimes are solved.
I never thought I would live in a world like this!
The Pakistani government reported that the injury was caused by BB hitting her head on a lever for the sunroof, and that the other occupants in BB’s car were “fine.”
Who were these other occupants? Will we ever hear from them? Just a curious thought.
And so begins the coverup…
I doubt if Musharaff ordered the killing but perhaps as if he was negligent in not offering opposition party candidates adequate protection. But Pakistan is about the most ungovernable nation on the planet. And his regime is full of Alqueda and taliban sympathizers. (Remember these moles ratted on the USA when Clinton was to attack their camps. The US told of the attack to Pakistan military so they would not think India was launching a nuclear attack). The moles alerted Alqueda leaders so they escaped getting killed). It is logical AlQueda and Taliban would want to kill Bhutto because apparently they have not infiltrated her party like they have Musharaff’s organization, and the Pakistan Military.
According to accounts I have read a surgeon on the team that worked on her said she was shot twice. Once in the neck and once in the shoulder. Both bullets passed through the body. In the account given by the Interior Minister he said that there were no bullets in her body.
I noticed that the USS Liberty has been brought up. The Johnson Administration covered up the attack and accepted the “accident story” that Israe01 Ell. Funny, but while the attack was going on, near El Arish, the IDF was busy killing Egyptian POW’s. Could this be one of the reasons for the attack??
Bullet wound, shrapnel, bump in the head. That’s not the point. As Ms. Butto said in a letter not to be made public unless she was killed: (and this is the point) that, as she was cast into the fray, she had requested protection from her enemies by the Musharraf Government,… and didn’t recieve it. If this is true, it kind of brings to mind the story in 2 Samuel chapter 11, where King David had Uriah sent to the frontlines against the Ammonites, and then, purposefully withdrew support from behind him so he could be out of the way. The prophet Nathan later confronted the King with the words, “you have killed Uriah by the sword of the sons of Ammon.”
Egads Moonbird,
Are you ever going to get off the warpath? It’s Gringo this, and Gringo that. KEM apologies to you on a post that was clearly absurd humor (advocating stealing mexico and canada) and you take him seriously and then will not accept his apology.
I think you’re stoned!
Wow,
I just read iyamwutiam and zionist. Jesus christ what passion! We should have you two on prime time duking it out!
Seriously, these post are very revealing. I agree as a ripped-off taxpayer with everthing iyam says. The hell with Israel if they can’t treat their own minority citizens the PA any better than bush treats New Orlean Negros. We should pull the plug on Jewish support since, if Palestine has no right to exist, then Israel should just take their chances with their neighbors in the sandbox that they can’t get along with. Personally, I won’t miss one nights sleep if Israel gets overrun with Jihad Ragheads trying to get away from the oil company war machine. The useless, troublesome Temple Mount is going to really get crowed if that happens! That would be a little bit of poetic justice wouldn’t it? They shelled their neighbors into homelessness and now the muslim refugees are massing at the gate.
But then zionist comes back with an impressive argument about the cause of this mess: The Petro-centered American Commuting society and the consumerism that produces nothing but useless, unnecessary plastic crap (which you can’t eat, when the going gets tough.)
So what’s the answer to this thousand year stalemate?
Answer: Recognize that the practice of politics tangled up with genetic-based religion is the same thing as terrorism. Most common citizens of both sides don’t want war. But those people don’t have a voice when its drowned out by the din of elite political machines. What zionist doesn’t understand is that if we had real democracy in the USA we would have forced the Fortune 500 onto alternative energy and transport thirty years ago.
Now we all face the prospect of the ocean sitting 24 feet (thats 8 meters) higher than it does today. You think Israel has limited real estate now, just wait till the greenland ice cap goes (and scientist say it’s already too late to stop that.)
The last time I checked, the Jewish state sits right next to the Med. And since they’ve been detecting huge earthquakes from the glaciers ripping off the bedrock, we may see that happen not in hundreds of years, but in SINGLE years. Read it for yourself:
Published on Monday, October 8, 2007 by CommonDreams.org
Glacial Acceleration - A Sea of Troubles
by Paul Brown
It is hard to shock journalists and at the same time leave them in awe of the power of nature. A group returning from a helicopter trip flying over, then landing on, the Greenland ice cap at the time of maximum ice melt last month were shaken. One shrugged and said:”It is too late already.”
What they were all talking about was the moulins, not one moulin but hundreds, possibly thousands. “Moulin” is a word I had only just become familiar with. It is the name for a giant hole in a glacier through which millions of gallons of melt water cascade through to the rock below. The water has the effect of lubricating the glaciers so they move at three times the rate that they did previously.
Some of these moulins in Greenland are so big that they run on the scale of Niagra Falls. The scientists who accompanied these journalists on the trip were almost as alarmed. That is pretty significant because they are world experts on ice and Greenland in particular.
We were visiting Ilulissat, Greenland, once a stronghold of Innuit hunters but now with so little ice that the dog sleds are in danger of falling through even in the depth of winter.
But it is not the lack of sea ice that worries scientists and should be of serious concern to the inhabitants of coastal zones across the world. Cities like New York and states like Florida are in the front line.
Scientists know this already, but just to give you some idea of the problem, the Greenland ice cap is melting at such a fast rate it is triggering earthquakes as pieces of ice several cubic kilometres in size break up.
Scientists say the acceleration of melting and subsequent speeding up of giant glaciers could be catastrophic in terms of sea level rise and make previous predictions published this year by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) far too low. The glacier at Ilulissat, which it is believed spawned the iceberg which sank the Titantic, is now flowing three times faster into the sea than it was 10 years ago.
Robert Correll, chairman of the Artic Climate Impact Assessment, from Washington told me:”We have seen a massive acceleration of the speed with which these glaciers are moving into the sea. The ice is moving at 2 metres an hour on a front five kilometres long and 1,500 metres deep. “That means that this one glacier puts enough fresh water into the sea in one day to provide drinking water for a city the size New York or London for a year.”
Professor Correll, who is also director of the global change programme at the Heinz Centre in Washington said the estimates of sea level rise in the IPCC report in February had been “conservative” and based on data two years old. The range of rise this century had been predicted to be 20 to 60 centimetres, but would be the upper end of this range at a minimum and some now believed it could be two metres. This would have catastrophic effects for European and US coastlines.
He said newly invented ice penetrating radar showed that the melt water was pouring through to the bottom of the glacier creating a melt water lake 500 metres deep causing the glacier “to float on land. “These melt water rivers are lubricating the glacier, like applying oil to a surface and causing it to slide into the sea. It is causing a massive acceleration which could be catastrophic.”
The glacier is now moving at 15 kilometres a year into the sea although in periodic surges it moves even faster. He has seen a surge, which he had measured as moving five kilometres in 90 minutes - an extraordinary event.
If all of Greenland melts, something we were previously assured would take thousands of years, but now could be hundreds, then sea level round the world would rise seven metres. That is without any contribution from the Antarctic, the glaciers of Alaska, the Rockies, the Himalayas, or the ocean water expanding as it warms.
So the talk of sea level rise should not be in centuries, it should be decades or perhaps even single years. For 10,000 years, during all of human civilisation sea level remained stable leading us to believe that coastlines remained roughly in the same place. A century ago the sea began to rise one millimetre a year, 20 years ago it had reached two millimetres and this century it has risen to 3 millimetres. This annual rise may not seem much but add hurricane storm surges and high tides and we are soon saying good bye to a lot of coastal settlements - like the Big Apple.
Switch forward a week from the helicopter ride to George W. Bush’s meeting of 16 of the biggest greenhouse gas emitters in Washington last month and what do we hear. We hear lots of rhetoric about how, along with terrorism, climate change is the biggest threat to the earth - although the catastrophic sea level rise facing our major coastal cities does not rate a mention.
But instead of decisive political action (as with terrorism) we get suggestions from the President of voluntary cuts in emissions, down to the government of each country, and then next summer another conference to discuss where we have got to - which on past form will be nowhere at all. It did not sound like the much needed change of heart from the President, but just another delaying tactic to tide him over until his term of office ends.
Although it may sound like it, the commentators in Europe are not singling out America for criticism, although it has to be said as often as possible that the US is the world’s most profligate nation when it comes to fossil fuel consumption, AND has rejected the only legally binding international agreement that could do something about it. But Europeans are not doing enough either. We need convincing that our own leaders have enough political will to reach the tiny Kyoto targets that are the minimum first step to tackling this problem. The public hears the latest scientists’ warnings that an 80% cut in greenhouse gas emissions is needed if we are to stave off catastrophic climate change, yet wait in vain for the policies needed to achieve them.
In my book, protestors wearing George Bush masks are pictured “fiddling while the earth burns.” Maybe he is just the lead violinist of the orchestra.
Paul Brown was the environment correspondent for The Guardian newspaper for 16 years and has worked in newspaper journalism for more than 40 years. He has written extensively about climate change, population, biodiversity, pollution, energy, desertification, and ocean management. Brown has appeared in and written television documentaries on environmental issues, contributed to books on green politics, and is the author of several books on the environment. He is the author of Global Warning: The Last Chance for Change. See also www.globalwarningbook.com
Directly or indirectly Perverse Musharaf is responsible for the death of Bhutto who was no Mother Theresa if the well documented accounts of her and her family’s ill gotten gains are to be believed. What hope of ever knowing the truth of this assassination when most amerikans still buy the Warren “magic bullet” fairy tale ravings of their own militarist government.
“Lee Harvey did it” irrespective of all the Zapruder footage that proves otherwise and so too can Pakistanis now wallow in the mire of what coulda been and shoulda been but never had a chance in hell of becoming even an illusion of democracy in the first place.
Let’s be honest fellow amerikans, amerika’s democracy is at heart no better than Pakistans. That’s what hurts the most!
How many amerikan presidents have bitten the bullet already?
http://wsws.org/articles/2007/dec2007/bena-d29.shtml
“A spokesperson for Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party, Farooq Naik, called the Musharraf government’s shifting story “a pack of lies” and insisted that the real cause of death was sniper fire.” If indeed the Pakistani politician was shot to death by a sniper in Rawalpindi, the historic garrison town which is headquarters to the country’s military, suspicion would shift even more sharply towards the government or elements within its powerful military-intelligence apparatus.
Simple formula for determining who is evil and who is not; Bush says “friend”, they are foe. Bush says “foe”, they are friend. Bush says U.S. sheeple are wise, loved, taken care of by our “leaders”,…..
eyewitness accounts…
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=av7RmUhVqmbg
Bhutto’s Party Rejects Governments Claims..
“The doctors told us that Bhutto died of two bullet wounds,” Bhutto’s spokesman Babar said. Another spokeswoman, Sherry Rehman, said she was with Bhutto when the attack happened and saw the bullet wounds when she bathed the body before burial, according to AFP.
Someone upped one on CIA and killed their favorite stooge. It’s about time they get a taste of their own medicine.
I suspect zionist of writing false-flag propaganda. What Jew would spell “goyyim” as goim?
Marjorie:
I am not a dude, but a 63 year old Native American woman who is a US citizen and whose first language is English. I also have a PhD in same and serve as a consultant to universities in Latin America and the Middle East in regard to foreign language acquisition.
And I do not “chill”, nor I indulge in any other infantile activities.
Now to the TOPIC at hand:
Why is Commondreams printing these garbage articles, instead of something acceptable–for example, the article on this topic by ROBERT FISK, which I had to read in SPANISH TRANSLATION in my Mexican daily newspaper, La Jornada?
In said article, entitled (TRANSLATING BACK TO ENGLISH–thanks now RIGHT WING PHONY PROGRESSIVE SITE!) “Don’t Blame Al Qaeda, Blame Musharraf”, Fisk made the following logical analysis:
” Question: Who forced Benazir Bhutto to stay in London and wanted to avoid her return to Pakistan? Answer: Musharraf.
Question: Who ordered this month the arrest of hundreds of Bhutto supporters? Answer: Musharraf.
Question: Who placed Bhutto under temporary house arrest this month? Answer: Musharraf
Question: Who declared martial law this month? Answer: Musharraf.
Question: Who killed Benazir Bhutto? Answer: Er, yes, well, yes….
spartacus (6:59 post), in addition to suffering from schadfenfreude-on-meth, lives in a strange world in which it is possible to have an all-out nuclear war happening in one hemisphere while we here at “home” go about our domestic agendas like affordable health care and protecting spotted owls. Do we imagine we will experience it as a faint, distant rumble? Some disaster headlines in the newspaper?
zionist concurs that the whole imperialist scumbag world can go to hell without, somehow, impacting a handful of elitist, self absorbed villagers miraculously surviving on sustainable crops and recycled water in the midst of a massive global die-off. The view from Israel is enough to make your head ache.
It’s us versus them that is going to get us all. I’ll say this for village life: You can’t get away from your enemies in a small town. You just have to make your peace with them or go someplace else. The world is already a village, and there is no place else. Galling as it may be, we’re in it together, the suits from Exxon, the chosen people, the spoon fed liberals and the crazy jihadists, all armed with nukes, all stuck in the same jar together like some sadistic science experiment. Whatever happens, there can be no doubting the justice of it.
According to the first official word from Pakistan, the assassination was a joint operation of al Qaeda and the Taliban, though my own theory is that something this big couldn’t have been pulled off without the collaboration of the Mafia and the Hell’s Angels and the ghost of Hitler. Depending on who you interview, the people who took out Benazir Bhutto were either extremists or terrorists or fanatics or anarchists or forces of darkness or freedom-hatin’ bad guys. Isn’t the MSM curious as to who really did this, and why? Somebody representing a cause, a burning grievance, an agenda, was willing to give his life to take out Ms. Bhutto, and yet not one news report, not one dignitary interviewed, not one presidential candidate, was willing to say what issues exactly were furthered by this assassination beyond blaming it on some vague, all purpose “enemy of democracy.” Surely the amorphous forces of darkness, which now comprise a significant percentage of the Muslim world, have a point of view. I’ve seen no effort on the part of the media to discover or communicate the actual convictions that propel people to shoot at our soldiers, blow up Israeli buses or knock down our skyscrapers. It’s like listening to J. Edgar Hoover explaining Marxism. Masters of deceit. Materialist devils. Sure, but that is not how they see themselves. Who are they? What are they upset about? What is their point of view?
Marjorie Ann - Most of us have learned not to talk to moonraven. moonraven is mad at everybody.
No, just contemptuous of circle jerkers like you.
METAMORPH
i’m so sorry you have to live in ‘a world like this’. we apologise for the inconvenience………(restaurant at the end of the universe.)
PACPLYER
glad you mentioned the ‘all encompassing’ threat to mankind. GLOBAL WARMING
MOONRAVING
thought i would give you a new name as a lot of people believe you are not in control of your faculties. but thankyou for the info about the robert fisk article. i have always found his writings to be of merit and he certainly knows what he is talking about with regard to ‘islamic’ issues.
and as for al qaeda being responsible for this scenario - give me a break…..
coco,
I consider your mutilation of my TRIBAL NAME to be an attack on my person.
Which means also a RACIST act.
I am in perfect control of my faculties.
There are others on this site who have no faculties. They are just here to circle jerk.
Are you one of them?
VOXCLAMANTIS
are you sure you aren’t kem patrick???? just joking. but will certainly take time to really ’study’ your website…….
Like Gilbert and Sullivan said, ” I’ve got her on the list and she never will be missed. A known criminal having embezzled a huge amount would not be good for any country but would fit snugly into the Bush camp. She was a alternate to the dictator the USA put in power with a democracy label. The sad part is that she was the only opposition which the Pakistani people had to military rule.
If the Pakistan people want freedom they will have to get out from under the heavy burden of religion and organise a democratic system which is fair to all.
Hey Moonraven, Tnx 4 that neat confirmation by act through your denial by language. “Circle jerkers” is a new image to me, but it sure made me laugh. (To be honest, if the circle is alternately male/female, I like the thought – what a ball…). I needed that laugh, so tnx.
If indeed you’re “mad at everybody” as claimed and then indicated, with your background (”a 63 year old Native American woman who is a US citizen and whose first language is English. I also have a PhD in same and serve as a consultant to universities in Latin America and the Middle East”) - you’re certainly entitled. Native Americans are entitled to all the rage they can muster, imho.
Though a good laugh, this detour into discussion among commentators, healthy for venting as it may be, is not very germane to the Bhutto-assassination. But Robert Fisk’s new article is: “Robert Fisk: They don’t blame al-Qa’ida. They blame Musharraf” - http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article3291600.ece
(Click here rather than at CommonDreams, as that link currently misdirects).
Read it and learn.
Ullern: I am not a performing seal, but I already DID post part of the Fisk article above at 1:20 pm.
It helps to read the thread…sometimes.
(Hey MoonRaven - didn’t mean to steal your thunder. I only noticed you also quote the Fisk-article after my posting. Apparently we’re on the same page, that’s all. Now I’m outa this crossfire. Best possible New Yeah, everyone.)
ULLERN
thankyou for the link, as as you said, the c.d. article misdirects to something about ghandi……….oh well, i suppose it’s in the same region………(geographically speaking i mean.)
I find it interesting that Fisk’s article was already translated into Spanish and published here in Mexico in the paper that came out this morning–many hours before this site got around to posting it..
Gringos are not too fast off the blocks when it comes to reprinting something that contains reasoned analysis. Fisk has only been writing about the Middle East since what, now–1982? At least he has been based in Beirut since then.
But then, he is probably a little suspect, as he isn’t from the US.
PISTONBROKE
did you really mean to set yourself up there? your last sentence could be substituted with ‘american’ instead of ‘pakistan’ and would make a lot more sense……….
Most international news sources carry a far wider spectrum of opinion, and indulge in much less censorship than does the USA MSM. When overseas, for instance, note the difference between CNN International, which has to compete with worthy news programs, and the CNN that is piped across this country, where censorship has become shameless.
But won’t the shutdown be a problem when the milk and honey and cheap cluster bombs stop flowing through the big umbilicus that has kept Israel on American life support all these years? Won’t the Bedouins get you?
Hey moonraven:
Personally, I think you’re alright. A good egg, as they say. And lo and behold, now the Fisk article has been picked up by CD for all our crazed and raving (that’s a sarcastic quip laced with love, by the way, not a denigration of your tribal name) friends here. It was good to finally be able to read what I’d heard about from several other sources. I trust that man, Fisk. He’s a good journalist, despite the lashings he’s received from some of the “reductio-ad-absurdum” posts to his article here on CD.
Hey coco, I kinda like you too, y’know. Reading your back-and-forth with my posting comrade KEM has been entertaining at the least, and I might even go so far as to say uplifting at the best. You are at your best when you are uplifting, I always say. Is there any way I can bring you and moonraven to the campfire to make peace and become friends? You’d both be stronger for doing so…but I still love ya both either way.
THEWONDERINGYOU
thankyou for those kind words. i’ve often commented on some of your postings too. but as i told kem a long time ago, it is not worth getting into a fight with people on here. i have never intentionally insulted anyone, as you know, like kem, i enjoy a joke. and in this ‘climate’ (excuse the pun) laughter is a very important emotion. that’s not to say i don’t take things seriously. i certainly do. but i can also see the ‘funny’ side of things which keeps me going in this dismal world we are faced with. and i haven’t time or patience for people who take offense at the slightest thing. and see if ms.mraven had not jumped so quickly to her own defense, she would have seen that i was actually siding with her. but there is obviously a lack of ‘humour’ and i find it difficult to deal with this kind of emotional people. so the best thing then is to ignore them. happy new year everyone and i hope kem patrick comes back. (even if he is a spy…….)
I rest my case………
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122907Z.shtml
Pakistan Gov’t Skips Autopsy, Shifts Story re: Bhutto Death
“The scene of the attack also was watered down with a high-pressure hose within an hour, washing away evidence.”
here is a link
hear from someone who know this strong “Muslim women”
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?contentId=3378748&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_ID=@@@
Front Page NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/world/asia/31inquiry.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
LAHORE, Pakistan — New details of Benazir Bhutto’s final moments, including indications that her doctors felt pressured to conform to government accounts of her death, fueled the arguments over her assassination on Sunday and added to the pressure on Pakistan’s leaders to accept an international inquiry.