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Imagine: Prosperity without Growth
It is ironic that homo sapiens, we big-brained and clever species, can
trace almost every tragedy and failing to one generic cause: a failure
of imagination.
We seem to be an idiot savant species --
stunningly clever at so many things, capable of greatness, creativity
and sacrifice for others, melding genius and love when we are at our
best, and greed and hate at our worst.
But whether it is the
individual who fails to imagine the consequences of punching someone in
a bar or a whole society which fails (like California) to imagine the
consequences of starving itself of the revenue needed to function,
observers from another world could easily conclude that we are
terminally stupid. Or, as John Ralston Saul put, unconscious as a
civilization.
Those individuals and organizations who
have fought off the madness and ruin of neo-liberal policies for over
twenty years are now presented with the best possible time to present a
vision of what is possible.
Washington Consensus exposed as a pack of lies
Globalization
is effectively dead: what characterized the world for the past thirty
years, the suicidal policies of what was called the Washington
Consensus, will never return, at least not in its old form. The climate
crisis, the damage done to the real economies of the Global North, the
arrival of peak oil, the inevitable return of protectionism and state
intervention mean that we have left that era behind.
Not
only has financial capitalism and its corruption and ersatz wealth been
exposed. The Chicago boys, the intellectual storm troopers in the free
market think tanks and editorial writers of Asper media are facing an
ideological crisis. The whole edifice stands exposed as a pack of lies
and deceptions created for the sole purpose of enriching the already
wealthy.
“There is no alternative.” Really? There bloody well
better be or we are all doomed. “Government is the problem, not the
solution?” The banks and the CEOs of the transnationals who reveled in
this slogan would now disagree. And what about the cause of the evil
deficits -- governments “spending like drunken sailors?” Now Bay
Street believes that government isn’t nearly drunk enough. And the
demand that we “run government like a business?” Just which bankrupt,
crooked, reckless business would that be?
The magnitude of
the moral crisis of the political right is staggering. The greed,
dishonesty, hubris and psychopathic disregard for the public good
renders the whole business elite utterly unfit to pronounce on anything
-- not even on the economy, but certainly not democracy or how we run
our collective affairs.
Denial and complacency in the face of crisis
All
of this should add up to the biggest opportunity the left has had in
over a generation to take the lead, to frame the issues in terms of
Canadians’ stated values and aspirations, to bury the Washington
Consensus ideology in the rubble of its own destructive legacy. This is
our opportunity. These two crises have arrived just in time to wake us
up, just in time for us to choose to save the planet and ourselves from
a truly grim future. Not just rising oceans and the loss of coastal
communities -- but a nightmarish dystopia characterized by global
social unrest, the rise of fascism, mass starvation and wars over
energy and water.
But to date there is silence.
Most
middle class people -- and this includes the majority of social and
political activists -- are still acting as if this is just another
recession. We’ll just eat out less and take a two-week vacation instead
of four until it blows over. The concession to the moral crisis of
climate change is to buy a Prius and think we have made a difference.
This is denial on a gargantuan scale. If every gas guzzler were
replaced tomorrow by a Prius we would still have ten times too many
private cars on the road.
In the U.S. there is a growing
movement to cut taxes -- in a country starved for social programs, with
an education system barely competing with Botswana’s and an almost
unimaginable debt counted in the tens of trillions of dollars. The U.S.
is headed for the most catastrophic collapse of empire in human
history. Canada is not quite as delusional, but we are still a nation
in denial, determined to maintain an insane consumer culture, and damn
the consequences for ourselves and future generations.
Leadership lacking
The
current situation is not a normal crisis -- it is a world-changing
shift that could go in any of several directions. It cannot remain
static and without progressive leadership it is certain to go badly.
But where is that leadership? It is not coming from the traditional
sources. Organized labour is, understandably, preoccupied with saving
threatened industries. (No talk there of forcing the Big Three to focus
their massive infrastructure and technical know-how on mass transit.
And no government commitment to expand it.)
Social movement
organizations are fighting the usual single-issue battles as if the
context had not changed at all. The environmental movement still
resists the fact that dealing with climate change without addressing
social and economic democracy is impossible.
And the political
parties who should be providing a vision for a better future are mired
in tactical politics. Jack Layton dismisses Michael Ignatieff’s musing
about the need for future tax increases as “old school” and suggests
that the solution is to “grow the economy.”
The planet will
not survive “growing the economy.” In its current trajectory, our world
is terminal with the cancer of rampant consumerism metastasizing to
every living system we need to survive. Sixty per cent of the world’s
ecosystems are currently degraded.
The stupendous “growth” of
the last twenty years has seen the rich get filthy rich and the poor
get poorer, with 20 per cent of the global population subsisting on two
per cent of the world’s resources. Canadian families have wrung up
unprecedented debt trying to maintain a middle class consumer lifestyle
that doesn’t even make them happy.
Buying a hybrid car
isn’t going to cut it. Indeed nothing short of a cultural revolution in
the developed world has any chance of saving the planet and humanity.
How will we know that the revolution is under way? When there is a
movement not to cut taxes but to ban advertising. When there is a
massive call for taxing wealth so that no individual can take more
than, say, $100,000 a year out of our collective wealth. When
mandatory Sunday closing returns and families spend time together
outside the shopping mall. When there is no more talk of ending poverty
and homelessness, because it will have disappeared. When we willingly
-- no, eagerly -- pay half our income in taxes so that we can have the
things we actually say we want as a community.
We need, on
the Left, to once again become the source of Big Ideas. Our defensive
politics of the last 25 years has dulled our imaginations to the point
of stagnation. We are leading from behind. So-called ordinary Canadians
are desperate for a vision of the future they can grasp on to and
believe is possible. We have given them more of the same: the politics
of despair, telling struggling working people that things are actually
worse than they already think they are.
We are obsessed
with “stimulating” the economy. Instead we need to have a national
conversation about starving the beast. Capitalism must grow to survive
and no matter how we tweak this perverse system, growth will ensure its
continued social and environmental destruction. Growing the economy in
the face of this crisis is madness: doing the same thing over and over
again and expecting different results. Fortunately there are people
thinking about this under the umbrella notion of “prosperity without
growth.”
Amazingly, the British government has put together a whole website
full of ideas and debates about what this might look like. A project of
the Sustainable Development Commission, it suggests that creating
conditions for people to flourish, “Includes tackling systemic
inequality and removing incentives for unproductive status competition;
sharing available work and improving work-life balance and reversing
the culture of consumerism; building a sustainable macro-economy which
is no longer structurally reliant on increasing consumption.”
In
Canada there is the just-started, three year Climate Justice Project of
the B.C. office of the CCPA. It promises to engage in groundbreaking
research on climate change but through the lens of social justice.
There
are others, as well. In Paris last year the Economic De-Growth For
Ecological Sustainability And Social Equity Conference came up with a Declaration
about the world of the future. Among its many articles, two stand out
as characterizing the kind of thinking that must start spreading.
Degrowth in the global North, says the declaration, “is characterized
by substantially reduced dependence on economic activity, and an
increase in free time, unremunerated activity, conviviality, sense of
community and individual and collective health; [and the] encouragement
of self-reflection, balance, creativity, flexibility, diversity, good
citizenship, generosity and non-materialism.”
Everyone put their Blackberrys down. Go to these sites. Send them to friends.
To
be fair to ourselves, progressive organizations are exhausted and
demoralized. Fighting trench warfare and rearguard actions against a
powerful and ruthless adversary for 25 years will do that to
individuals and organizations. But we will not find new energy and
inspiration in the trenches -- and we won’t inspire others from there
either.
Canadians’ values are amazingly progressive, but a
generation of neo-liberal assaults has lowered their expectations of
what is possible. Nevertheless, they are out there waiting for someone,
anyone, to present them with reasons to be hopeful. What they want and
what we need is what America’s radical rabbi, Michael Lerner, calls the
politics of meaning. More on that next time.
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Show AllThe population of the planet increases at three people per second.
Who decides what is good for the community and what is luxury?
You?
How about getting your tubes tied and your vasectomy?
How about looking in the mirror and realizing that your Sunday family at home not shopping DOES NOTHING to stop the current environmental crisis, because families will simply shop on Monday.
You breed. You shop. You make wars for resources. You breed some more.
And dare anyone tell you this cycle is insane, you call them immoral and anti-family.
While you have a good point, it appears to be misdirected. Unless, of course, the majority of the third world pulls up CD every day.
The horrendous population growth which you mention is primarily driven by the poorest countries on the planet - and India. Telling westerners to have fewer children has little impact; our birth rates have generally been in decline for decades.
q
And we must face the irony that these largest countries in population are overtaking the US and Canada in jobs and growth.
The thing about any social program is that they need new young workers to tax to pay for what the people want.
by the time I am dead there will be one worker paying for 3 or 4 or more on social security if they can get it by then.
This is one reason for it besides the War economy and corruption of BullShitism.
I see that this paradox can best be dealt with by decentralization, more power to local communities, and even states.
All growth so far is based on more Debt and the tipping point for that is obvious now.
But it is going to take massive effort to organize a new political/social movement of common sense to face these realities.
Lots of good points in the article, but saying we will know we have a revolution when our problems are gone.... Just the other way around is how it is done.
There is no easy way out of our predicament.... and if you say "just change the system" that is not easy and the hardest thing to do for any country.
Maybe we can do it but it is gonna take more than what we have been doing and still expecting a different result and if time is running out, time is just in our face and changing with the karma of our system and how we deal with these changes.
I think the majority is awake... just too terrified to get out of bed.
Even if we are doomed it is no fun to surrender to hopelessness.
There is no Big Rock Candy Mountain except in song.
So cheer up, things well get worse
No offense but, when you consider that each individual Amerikan has a major effect on the environment and uses the resources of 100 Bangladeshis, his assertion that we are the ones that need to stop breeding is a correct one. If you look at the energy and environmental footprint of Amerika, we live as if we're actually a nation of 30 billion. I don't think the world is overpopulated from the point of view of a Guarani tribesperson. It's really over populated when everyone is trying to live as Europeans and Amerikans do.
I'm called anti-human when I say that we need to give up all this crap in order to save our world. That makes it no less true. Black Anarch out.
Valid points.
I think it behooves us to realize that essentially, we are here to procreate. That is the purpose of all life on this planet. It is as primal at breathing.
What we need to realize is that it isn't any particular continental society as much as it is a cultural issue. We have evolved into a culture that believes we can skirt the rules of Nature. We grow ever more food, thus we grow ever more people. Of course, there is a limit to that and both food and people will diminish.
We THINK we can live outside the rules of Nature. God laughs.
Copulation, not procreation... at least for the time being. (pant, pant, ghasp!)
Down boy.
Everybody's doin it. It's completely natural! ;)
Double post.
"We need, on the Left, to once again become the source of Big Ideas. Our defensive politics of the last 25 years has dulled our imaginations to the point of stagnation."
The left gets no favorable MSM coverage on their Big Ideas. However unfavorable, only the left's defensive politics get any MSM coverage. And that's usually the conservative Stalinist, socialist or radical left.
From right or left, the conservative money-power runs the world. Libs need not apply.
This is an important article. One of the very few that addresses the "growth as prosperity" fallacy. But it needs to say that decentralization is key. That corruptible centralized representative government is the problem.
It needs to say that contrary to conservative's allegations that California's economic problems are caused by their initiative and referendums, these problems are caused by their representative government's actions such as removing taxes on the rich.
Referendums are not always right, but studies show that they are right far more often than politician's actions. That countries with referendums like Switzerland, enjoy the highest per capita incomes, the best healthcare and education for every citizen, no wars, a healthy environment, etc.
Thanks to representative government's corruption, the American Dream is becoming everyone's nightmare.
http://ni4d.us/
I believe you are correct ezeflyer when you say this is an important article. But my guess it will be largely ignored, even by regular cd'ers. I think that's because people are too fixated on the wars and political mudslinging to pay it much notice.
I observe that most people are more interested in either complaining about the problems, or demonstrating their intellectual grasp of politics to pay much attention to trivialities like how to overthrow the system by growing cantaloupe at home.
I've offered simple solutions ad nauseum which mostly apparently go unnoticed. It could be partly because I usually seem to comment on the articles that most people avoid commenting on. Articles like this one, and articles on GMO foods and gardening, farming and such. The less sexy issues.
Oh well. I'm trying!
The Cantaloupe Revolution is a great idea. Good work!
"It could be partly because I usually seem to comment on the articles that most people avoid commenting on. Articles like this one, and articles on GMO foods and gardening, farming and such. The less sexy issues."
I feel your pain. I guess most here find Obama so irresistibly sexy that they simply must comment on every article that contains his name. The more they dislike him, the sexier they seem to find him. Awd, as we say heah.
Obamagasm!
Multiple Obamagasms!
Malthus was right. Were breeding ourselves into extinction. We need another planet to ravage , maybe 3 or 4. Were using this one up fast @ our present rate.
Nice imagination and all but we ain't got the leaders who will make it any easier to get there. Try ROBOCOP FOR PRESIDENT !
We don't need leaders. Next excuse?
Right on.
Infinite growth on a finite planet, as should be obvious, is impossible. Prizes in the field of economics are awarded for finding new ways to obscure this truth.
Homeostasis (from the Greek for "steady state") should be the ideal: babies, for example---human, otter or oak, it doesn't matter---don't grow forever, but rather attain a genetically predetermined optimal height and weight and then "hold steady."
The currently prevailing economic model is analogous to a malignant tumor, which will grow unchecked until it kills its host.
Draw your own conclusions.
I've had no children. Our animals are neutered. I pick up garbage when I see it and I recycle. I grow 75% of the food I eat. I keep my expenses low and my wants few.
If more people followed the model I am following then we would, as a species, soon reach homeostasis. We should voluntarily shrink our numbers and impact on the planet.
This is the only home we humans will ever know. The nearest class 3 planet has yet to be discovered, so forget it. Earth is our mother and our only home.
Now, back to my basil and snap peas...
If you've had no children and more people followed your model then humankind would disappear.
The need to leave a decent world for our children and grandchildren should be our primary motivation to preserve our planet's natural resources.
q
Consider that the most ingrained instinct in every species is procreation, and that denial of the procreation instinct and its emotional/spiritual rewards are thereby VERY likely to create catastrophic dysfuntion in the society. So the answer is a one-child policy like the "evil" Communists in China imposed, and tax disincentives, not to mention public honesty and solidarity in a shared sacrifice.
While these ideas merit widespread discussion they are not new.
I've always thought that major problems lie with the 4-5 year forward looking viewpoint of politicians and the so called science of Economics as currently understood and slavishly followed by destructive corporations. We certainly need a neo-economics.
"The Limits to Growth" was published in 1972 as a commissioned report of The Club of Rome. The formation of OPEC in 1970's and the 1973 petroleum crisis they engendered was sufficient impetus for political action, but nothing was done.
In neo-economics I see value in activities such as scientific enquiry, that leads to the accumulation of knowledge (although we need to rein in the physicists consumption of big expensive toys). In addition the arts including all forms of writing, performance art, music and the production of works of art enhance human experience. In traditional Economics these activities are considered to be of no value if they do not generate a profit and of limited value if the return on investment is low. These are the activities that should occupy our energy once our basic needs are met. Those individuals capable of providing such life enrichment will need patrons, either the State or the communities they serve.
Realistically I think we are due for a population crash due to climate change and current world politics. My hope for the species is that after the crash sufficient will remain to rebuild "civilization" in its true meaning.
"Realistically I think we are due for a population crash due to climate change and current world politics. My hope for the species is that after the crash sufficient will remain to rebuild "civilization" in its true meaning."
That may very well be, Prof, but I think it behooves us to start laying out a foundation for a new civilization now. What sense is there in crashing only to build the same bus that brung us here?
Also, there has been talk of soft vs. hard crashes. By organizing a mass "starve the beast" campaign, couldn't we affect a soft crash? Just musing...
I agree.
I wasn't talking about the same bus in '"civilization" in its true meaning' but with the emphasis on civil and not war, which is fueled by greed.
"While these ideas merit widespread discussion they are not new."
What's new is the context. A decade ago there was much less evidence to refute the neoliberal status quo. Now, the garbage heap has become avalanche-prone.
Yesssssssss, the context and evidence HAS changed:
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
reforestation...
the population of people making contributions to the species MUST INCREASE continually. else that species will self-destruct. nature does not tolerate stasis.
the population of people making contributions to the species MUST INCREASE continually. else the species will self-destruct. nature does not tolerate stasis.
Nature will not tolerate stasis?
Then we should all be really worried that the number of polar bears isn't increasing.
"We are obsessed with “stimulating” the economy. Instead we need to have a national conversation about starving the beast."
A very important article. I hope more CDers read it and respond, instead of the usual hand-wringing over politicians.
I like how the author uses the pronoun, WE. Indeed, WE need to change. Not only do WE need to change, WE need to be the agents of change.
I have been calling to starve the beast for a while. Some agree, most ignore it...I guess because it involves personal action, sacrifice, choice, energy...and dare I say, responsibility. I'm sure there are quite a few here who are trying to starve the beast. The problem is that we are separated, with no knowledge of each other or just how big the movement is. I applaud the author for including the links to greater movements. We desperately need something like that here in the USA. I've been itching to revive my web skills and improve my organizing skills. Sounds like a good place to go.
Starve the Beast!
I have exerted great effort at great personal sacrifice, lost much sleep, spent hours on end over the past many months, here on Common Dreams in attempts to inform people, in my own simple way, how we can starve the beast whilst feeding ourselves.
I don't know if I've made an impact or not. Frankly, I'm getting bored with it, and discouraged, because hardly anyone seems to be noticing. I can only keep this up for so long.
Without encouragement from readers out there, I may just give up and stop posting on Common Dreams. Just go back to my garden and let the world go to hell.
So, here at last is the unveiling of my limited web skills. It's something I've been working on for about 2 years now. It demonstrates how one small family is working to starve the beast whilst feeding themselves and those around them.
http://www.flyingpopcornranch.com
"Your life is your message." -Mahatma Gandhi
You're not alone. Find a copy of "Downwardly Mobile for Conscience Sake: Ten Autobiographical Sketches: Each a Personal Search for Justice, Peace, & Eco-Sanity" by Dorothy N. Andersen. Some inspiring reading!
I like the sound of that, Downwardly Mobile for Conscience Sake. Eco-sanity, eh? Mmmm... And the alternative to that is? Eco-insanity! Like what we're seeing today, right? MTR, deforestation, suburban sprawl, genetic modification, industrial warfare, global warming, dieoffs, dead zones...
If there is a Big Rock Candy Mountain, you are building one.
Thanks for sharing your beautiful place... you are very fortunate.
Don't give up the fight.
Thanks Jim. I appreciate the encouragement.
Yeah, like Bob Marley said.
excellent site, wonderful example!
yes, even on Common Dreams, one sees only so many blognames repeated...far shy of the hundreds of millions possible...
some say we should save the planet to ensure a better life for our children...some might say we have been destroying the planet for the same reason...as if the future of a human and the future of the planet are separate...
the human and the planet are, precisely, the same thing...all here is...
we do not need to save the planet's natural variety for our children...we need to save it because it is right to do so...just as littering is wrong, even if no one is around to see you do it, destroying the earth is wrong, children or no...
not too eloquent, but...keep the faith, moondoggy! you have the advantage of being well along, surrounded by like-minded people and the deserved rewards of your own significant efforts...you may yet inspire some who are trying, but have much less to work with...perhaps converts are hard to come by, but, come they will...in fewer numbers, maybe, but growing...and growing is what it's all about...
Yeah, where is everybody? I would expect these pages to be jammed with comments from all over the globe. But all I see is are same 50 people with a few random originals. Where's the diversity?
Yes, we and the earth are one. We are a part of the life and consciousness of the planet. We need to see how very much our abuse to the planet is self mutilation. It's like picking at a scab till we bleed to death.
We need to develop a planetary consciousness, a bio consciousness, an eco consciousness. We need to go out on the land again and fall in love with her again. Our relationship is estranged because we have insulated ourselves from wildness. Our artificial environment keeps us separate from the ancient rhythms and patterns of the living land, our biological kin.
So it's no wonder we are confused and so easily seduced into thinking we are separate, and can get along without wildness, and that we can impose our commercial, residential and industrial will upon the land. It just makes exploitation so much easier. All in a day's work, ya know!
I think everyone suffering from NDD (that's Nature Deficit Disorder) needs desperately to get out on the land and experience an immersion on wildness for a period of no less than 4 days and 3 nights. If they're a bit green, then hire a guide, or do it with a group. But get out on the land and sleep under the stars. Every city-bound citizen and every politician and CEO and slave wage earner should do this *at least once a year*.
Doing so will reawaken that forgotten, ancient connection that will develop that love and necessary respect for the land. And it will recharge our spirits for the work that lies ahead. We need to renew that kinship that will awaken the awareness to do what's right and heal our earth.
Thanks for the encouragement, bro. Very sweet and validating. Everyone can do this. It just takes determination and perseverance.
living on the altered surface of the planet, insulated from animals, plants and elements...participating in life vicariously from the cage couch via media, allowing all thoughts, from origin and purpose of life and death to rationalizations of circumstances suffered in the meantime, to be implanted by others awash in selfish agenda...
BLINK...virginal planet, life all around, needs provided for, wants vanished...sexy women, wonderful marijuana, transporting music and arts...love of the natural world fundamental, clothing optional...compassionate humility, humor and service regarding the myriad plants and animals the rewarding pleasures...
Global Start Date (for those not already leaping ahead, and more power to you):
September 22, 2012...rejection of technology and industry...cessation of the use of electricity and petroleum...no more school or job...
agrarian living within watershed divisions (the whole place being a single watershed with many subdivisions, of course)...self-providing, self-policing, and self-defining social groups...personal involvement with one's own brain and body...personal reconnection with the parent planet that makes up one's body...
the problem we're facing isn't a dying economy, it's a dying planet due to our economy...let's take back the land and get those gardens growing! We're gonna need lots and lots of food growing where the people are...rewarding work, growing things...we can do it...
Chop wood, carry water...
Yes, we can do it! And best of all, it's actually fun. Bird songs, laughing children, floral scents, wood smoke, trickling water, leaves rustling in the fresh breeze, distant thunder, hammers, shovels, rakes, handsaws, bicycles, healing herbs, hemp clothing, no clothing, confident sexy women, strong balanced men, terraced gardens, trailing vines, handmade music, quiet conversations, happy hearts, warm feelings, pure water, fresh air...
This is our birthright. This should be our everyday reality. This is the way we are meant to live. The way we can live. The way we should live. The way we will live. It's the way I live. It's the way we can all live. We just need to realize we can live this way and start living this way.
It takes a while to make the shift. I am sure that anyone reading these words, if you begin to take steps in this direction, you could be there in a few short years. But it won't happen if you don't shed old patterns and old stuff. Make a new start now. Get ahead of the curve. Be a pioneer. The universe is supportive and all of life rejoices and breaths a sigh of relief.
Go out in nature and experience her seductive, peaceful, healing beauty. She will heal you, realign you and give you the strength and courage to remake your life. The dream becomes reality when we begin to live it. Personal restart today...BLINK
Sioux Rose
DANG, MOON DOGGY, if this is an ad for a place/space in present time, how do I get a ticket? Loved what you said about the men and women. That "animal" doesn't seem to exist in my current neck of the not-so-cosmic woods.
By the way, from your postings, and your sensual communion with nature, you may not realize what a RICH man you already are. If you had met Zero Mostel as he sang, "Fiddler on the roof's" tune, "If I Were A Rich Man," you'd be able to add a unique stanza of your own. We who are children of the Goddess owe our allegiances to the natural world. DUBET is obviously another. I wonder if DUBET had his own harem in a former lifetime, or if he's endowed with the biological equivalent of the Energizer Battery? Pass that stuff around!
Sioux Rose
MOONDOGGY: Sorry to arrive so late! Great thread, and your work stands out. Now I have your email which I'd lost.
GOLDEN MEAN: Enjoy the gathering! Maybe next year I'll find a way to share in one.
excellent site, wonderful example!
yes, even on Common Dreams, one sees only so many blognames repeated...far shy of the hundreds of millions possible...
some say we should save the planet to ensure a better life for our children...some might say we have been destroying the planet for the same reason...as if the future of a human and the future of the planet are separate...
the human and the planet are, precisely, the same thing...all here is...
we do not need to save the planet's natural variety for our children...we need to save it because it is right to do so...just as littering is wrong, even if no one is around to see you do it, destroying the earth is wrong, children or no...
not too eloquent, but...keep the faith, moondoggy! you have the advantage of being well along, surrounded by like-minded people and the deserved rewards of your own significant efforts...you may yet inspire some who are trying, but have much less to work with...perhaps converts are hard to come by, but, come they will...in fewer numbers, maybe, but growing...and growing is what it's all about...
I feel with you Moondoggy.
I try to inform here as well but I have given up expecting feedback.
Nevertheless, you ain't got a chance but use it. NEVER give up.
I looked at your great site and forwarded the link.
Keep up the good work. You are NOT alone (even if it might feel so).
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
Ahoy Yachtie! I appreciate your encouragement. Thanks for checking our site. Glad you like it.
Hey, maybe we can do a home exchange someday if you need some land time. That is, if you don't mind I take your boat out for a couple weeks or months in the islands. Where are you moored?
Collateral Damage. Oooo. Even the name gives me shivers. I'll check it out. Thanks! I like sea literature. Ever read "An Island To Oneself" By Tom Neale?
http://www.janesoceania.com/suvarov_tom_neale/
Aloha
Hey yachtie & moondoggie...
I can relate with both of you...
I grow 25% of my food in the heart of the Seattle...
I bicycle every where, and live a life of simplicity...
My sailboat is moored near my home, I just finished remodeling the interior with salvaged teak, oak, & mohaghany...
I teach workshops on how to build earthen ovens & homes... Including free DIY videos on my website...
I also build art studios, saunas, and furniture out of dumpstered wood & hardware...
I have tried to initiate a conversation with yachtie a few times, but no reply...
I would like to check out moondoggy's place if I am ever in your area of Montana...
Dubet's description of the ideal future sounds exactly like a rainbow gathering...!
Why wait until 2012? You could go to new Mexico and experience heaven today...!
Www. Goldenhomedesign. Com
Peace, love, & light
Hey GoldenMean, I can relate to you!
Beautiful, informative website, bro. Good on ya! I'm just beginning to delve in.
As for New Mexico, you must be on your way. I was just in Taos last month, and found out about the gathering in TP. Dang. If I didn't have to come back and plant the garden I would have stayed behind and waited, helped set up.
Looks like I have to miss yet another national. But there will be a regional gathering only 60 miles from home at the same time, and some good friends from Seattle are planning to come out. So I'll be there instead. We'll all be one in spirit, bro.
Bliss-blessings
Thank you...
If you are ever in seattle, look me up...!
I will! Hey, are you in touch with azjoe? If so, could you tell him to send me an email birdfrog@blackfoot.net as I cannot open my other email account which is where his contact info is. Or you could email me his phone number, even better. He called me on Father's Day, and I feel bad I can't call him back. Thanks!