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The US and Afghan Tragedy
One of the first difficult foreign policy decisions of the Obama administration will be what the United States should do about Afghanistan. Escalating the war, as National Security Advisor Jim Jones has been encouraging, will likely make matters worse. At the same time, simply abandoning the country - as the United States did after the overthrow of Afghanistan's Communist government soon after the Soviet withdrawal 20 years ago - would lead to another set of serious problems.
In making what administration officials themselves have acknowledged will be profoundly difficult choices, it will be important to understand how Afghanistan - and, by extension, the United States - has found itself in this difficult situation of a weak and corrupt central government, a resurgent Taliban, and increasing violence and chaos in the countryside.
Many Americans are profoundly ignorant of history, even regarding distant countries where the United States finds itself at war. One need not know much about Afghanistan's rich and ancient history, however, to learn some important lessons regarding the tragic failures of U.S. policy toward that country during the past three decades.
The Soviet Union invaded in December 1979, after the Afghan people rose up against two successive communist regimes that seized power in violent coup d'états in 1978 and 1979. The devastating aerial bombing and counterinsurgency operations led to more than six million Afghans fleeing into exile, most of them settling into refugee camps in neighboring Pakistan. The United States, with the assistance of Pakistan's Islamist military dictatorship, found their allies in some of the more hard-line resistance movements, at the expense of some very rational enlightened Afghans from different fields and aspect of life.
The United States sent more than $8 billion to Pakistani military dictator Zia al-Huq, who dramatically increased the size of the Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) to help support Afghan mujahedeen in their battle against the Soviets and their puppet government. Their goal, according to the late Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, was "to radicalize the influence of religious factions within Afghanistan." The ISI helped channel this American money, and billions more from oil-rich American allies, from the Gulf region to extremists within the Afghan resistance movement.
Extremist Education
The Reagan administration sensed the most hard-line elements of the resistance were less likely to reach negotiated settlements, but the goal was to cripple the Soviet Union, not free the Afghan people. Recognizing the historically strong role of Islam in Afghan society, they tried to exploit it to advance U.S. policy goals. Religious studies along militaristic lines were given more importance than conventional education in the school system for Afghan refugees in Pakistan. The number of religious schools (madrassas) educating Afghans rose from 2,500 in 1980 at the start of Afghan resistance to over 39,000. The United States encouraged the Saudis to recruit Wahhabist ideologues to come join the resistance and teach in refugee institutes.
While willing to contribute billions to the war effort, the United States was far less generous in providing refugees with funding for education and other basic needs, which was essentially outsourced to the Saudis and the ISI. Outside of some Western non-governmental organizations like the International Rescue Committee, secular education was all but unavailable for the millions of Afghan refugees living in Pakistan. None of these projects could match the impact the generous funding for religious education and scholarships to Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. As a result, the only education that became available was religious indoctrination, primarily of the hard-line Wahhabi tradition. The generous funding of religious institutions during wartime made it the main attraction of free education, clothing, and boarding for poor refugee children. Out of these madrassas came the talibs (students), who later became the Taliban.
This was no accident. It seemed that such policies were intentionally initiated that way to drag young Afghans towards extremism and war, and to be well prepared not only to fight a war of liberation, but to fight the foes and rivals of foreigners at the expense of Afghan destruction and blood. And the indoctrination and resulting radicalization of Afghan youth that later formed the core of the Taliban wasn't simply from outsourcing but was directly supported by the U.S. government as well, such as through textbooks issued by the U.S. Agency for International Development for refugee children between 1986 and 1992, which were designed to encourage such militancy.
Often mathematics and other basic subjects were sacrificed altogether in favor of full-time religious and indoctrination. Sardar Ghulam Nabi, an elementary school teacher in a Peshawar refugee camp, stated that he was discouraged by the school administration to teach Afghan history to Afghan refugee children, since most of the concentration and emphasis was placed on religious studies rather than other subjects.
This focus on a rigid religious indoctrination at the expense of other education is particularly ironic since, while the Afghans have tended to be devout and rather conservative Muslims, they hadn't previously been inclined to embrace the kind of fanatic Wahhabi-influenced fundamentalism that dominated Islamic studies in the camps.
It seemed during the Afghan wars that no one cared and valued Afghan lives. Afghans became the subject of struggle between different rival and competing ideologies. The foreign backers of Afghanistan didn't care about the impact and consequences of their policies for the future of Afghanistan. Milt Bearden, the former CIA station chief in Islamabad, Pakistan during the Afghan-Soviet war, commented that "the United States was fighting the Soviets to the last Afghan." According to Sonali Kolhatkar, in her book Bleeding Afghanistan: Washington, Warlords, and the Propaganda of Silence (Seven Stories Press, 2006), some in the United States saw the Soviet invasion as a "gift." Zbigniew Brzezinski, former President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, even claimed that the United States helped provoke the Soviet invasion by arming the mujahideen beforehand, noting how "we did not push the Russians to intervene but we knowingly increased the probability that they would." Once they did, he wrote to Carter, "We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War."
Professor Hassan Kakar, a renowned Afghan historian formerly of Kabul University now exiled in California after spending time in a Afghan prison during the communist era, notes in his book how the competition between the Afghan left and right had been previously confined to a verbal debate, comparable to those taking place in intellectual and other politicized circles in other developing countries during the late Cold War period. With the invasion of Soviet troops and the U.S. backing of the mujahideen, however, it took the shape of direct armed conflict. The conflict evolved into open confrontation backed by the two Cold War rivals and other regional powers. Afghanistan was split and divided into different ideological groups, resulting in bloodshed, killing, destruction, suffering, and hatred among Afghans.
A whole generation of Afghan children grew up knowing nothing of life but bombings that destroyed their homes, killed their loved ones, and drove them to seek refuge over the borders. As a result, they became easy prey to those willing to raise them to hate and to fight. These children, caught in the midst of competing extremist ideologies from all sides, learned to kill each other and destroy their country for the interests of others.
Most Afghans with clear vision and strategic insight were deliberately marginalized by outside supporters of the Afghan radicalization process. Members of the Afghan intelligentsia who maintained their Afghan character in face of foreign ideologies and were therefore difficult to manipulate were threatened, eliminated, and in some cases forced into exile. One was Professor Sayed Bahauddin Majrooh, a renowned Afghan writer, poet, and visionary. Another was Aziz-ur-Rahman Ulfat, the author of Political Games, a book that criticized the politics of the U.S.-backed Afghan resistance movements based in Pakistan. Both were among the many who were assassinated as part of the effort silence voices of reason and logic.
The Hezb-e-Islami faction, a relatively small group among the resistance to the Soviets and their Afghan allies, received at least 80% of U.S. aid. According to Professor Barnett Rubin's testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives, the militia - led by the notorious Gulbuddin Hekmatyar - conducted a "reign of terror against insufficiently Islamic intellectuals" in the refugee camps of Pakistan. Despite all this, Rubin further noted how "both the ISI and CIA considered him a useful tool for shaping the future of Central Asia."
Assassinations of Afghan intellectuals deprived Afghan refugees of enlightened visionaries who would have represented the balanced Afghan character of religious faith, cultural traditions, and modern education. What these early victims of extremist violence had in common was opposition to the radicalization and hijacking of the Afghan struggle for purposes other than Afghan self-determination. The Afghan resistance to the Soviets was a nationalist uprising that included intellectuals, students, farmers, bureaucrats, and shopkeepers as well as people from all the country's diverse ethnic groups. Their purpose was the liberation of their country, not the subjugation and radicalization of their society by bloodthirsty fanatics. Some Afghan field commanders with clear conscience and strategic insight also took a different approach than radical Afghan leaders supported by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who - with U.S. acquiescence - sought to replace hard-line communist puppets with hard-line Islamist puppets.
Abdul Haq
Among these was the legendary Afghan resistance leader Abdul Haq (Full disclosure: Haq was the uncle of Khushal Arsala, one of this article's co-authors). He realized that the Afghans' legitimate struggle for their independence and self-determination was being intentionally dragged towards fanatical indoctrination for the interests of others. In a letter to The New York Times he wrote:
We started our struggle with the full support and determination of our people and will continue regardless of the wishes or commands of others. We don't want to be an American or Soviet puppet...I would like you to be with us as a friend, not as somebody pulling the strings. The struggle of our nation is for the establishment of a system that assures human rights, social justice and peace. This system does not threaten any nation.
Haq openly criticized the United States and its allies' support for extremists among the resistance through the Pakistani government, warning U.S. officials of the dire consequences of such support for the radicalization of Afghan society through the support for extremists. In a 1994 interview with the Times, he warned that terrorists from all over the world were finding shelter in his increasingly chaotic country and that Afghanistan "is turning into poison and not only for us but for all others in the world. Maybe one day the Americans will have to send hundreds of thousands of troops to deal with it." Noting that Afghanistan had been a graveyard for both the British and Russians, he expressed concerns that soon American soldiers could be flying home in body bags due to Washington's support for extremists during the Afghan-Soviet War during the 1980s and then abandoning the country following the Communist government's overthrow in 1992.
Preference for Extremists
In a 2006 interview on the PBS documentary "The Return of the Taliban," U.S. Special Envoy to the Afghan Resistance Peter Tomsen observed how the leadership of the Pakistani army
wanted to favor Gulbuddin Hekmatyar with seventy percent of the American weapons coming into the country, but the ISI and army leadership's game plan was to put Hekmatyar top down in Kabul, even though he was viewed by the great majority of Afghans - it probably exceeded 90 percent - of being a Pakistani puppet, as unacceptable as the Soviet puppets that were sitting in Kabul during the communist period. However, that was what the [Pakistani] generals wanted to create: a strategic Islamic [ally] with a pro-Pakistani Afghan in charge in Kabul.
Hekmatyar was extremely useful to Pakistan not only because he was rabidly anticommunist, but also because - unlike most other mujahideen leaders less favored by Washington - he wasn't an Afghan nationalist, and was willing to support the agenda of hard-line Pakistani military and intelligence leaders. Pakistan's support for radical Muslim domination has been in part for keeping the long-running territorial dispute with Afghanistan over Pashtun areas suppressed. Islamist radicals like Hekmatyar, Burhanuddin Rabbani, and later the Taliban mullahs tended to de-emphasize state borders in favor of uniting with the Muslim Umma (community of believers) wherever it may be - in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, the Middle East, or Central Asia.
Many State Department officials were wary of U.S. support for Hekmatyar's Hezb-e-Islami. U.S. Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly was quoted as saying that Hekmatyar "is a person who has vehemently attacked the United States on a number of issues.... I think he is a person with whom we do not need to have or should not have much trust." However, even when the State Department - over CIA objections - succeeded in cutting back on U.S. support for Hezb-e-Islami, U.S. ally Saudi Arabia would then increase its aid and, with CIA assistance, recruited thousands of Arab volunteers to join the fight, including a young Saudi businessman named Osama bin Laden.
The renowned journalist Ahmed Rashid stated in his book the Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia that
CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI initiative to recruit radical Muslims from around the world to come to Pakistan and fight with the Afghan Mujahideen. The ISI had encouraged this since 1982 and by now all the other players had their reasons for supporting the idea. President Zia aimed to cement Islamic unity, turn Pakistan into the leader of the Muslim world and foster an Islamic opposition in Central Asia. Washington wanted to demonstrate that the entire Muslim world was fighting the Soviets Union alongside the Afghans and their American benefactors. And the Saudis saw an opportunity both to promote Wahabbism and get rid of its disgruntled radicals...which would eventually turn their hatred against the Soviets on their own regimes and the Americans.
After having their country largely destroyed and its social fabric torn apart as pawns in a Cold War rivalry, the Soviets were finally forced out in 1989 and the communist regime was overthrown two years later.
While Hizb-e-Islami and other U.S. and Pakistani-backed groups weren't truly representative of the Afghan people, they had become the best-armed as a result of their foreign support. Wanting power for themselves, they soon turned the capital city of Kabul into rubble as the remaining infrastructure surviving from the Soviet-Afghan war was destroyed by a senseless civil war.
Afghanistan became a failed state. In the three years following the fall of the Communist regime, at least 25,000 civilians were killed in Kabul by indiscriminate shelling by Hezb-e-Islami and other factions. There was no proper functioning government. Educational institutions, from elementary schools to university buildings, weren't spared in the violence. Most of the teachers and students again joined refugees in the neighboring countries. The chaos and suffering created conditions such that when the Pakistani-backed Taliban emerged promising stability and order, they were welcomed in many parts of the country.
Once in power, the Taliban - made up of students from the same refugee religious institutions promoted and encouraged by the United States and its allies - shrouded Afghan society in the darkness of totalitarianism and illiteracy. They didn't value modern scientific education. They barred girls from school. With the help of Arab recruits originally brought in with support of the United States to fight the Soviets, they destroyed Afghan cultural heritage and attempted to transform Afghanistan into a puritanical theocracy. Fanatics and criminals from all over the world found safe-haven in Afghanistan, thanks to the blunders made by U.S. policymakers who created, promoted, and encouraged fanaticism against the Soviet Union.
In October 2001, in an interview with Newsweek, Abdul Haq said:
Why are the Arabs here? The U.S. brought the Arabs to Pakistan and Afghanistan [during the Soviet war]. Washington gave them money, gave them training, and created 10 or 15 different fighting groups. The U.S. and Pakistan worked together. The minute the pro-Communist regime collapsed, the Americans walked away and didn't even clean up their shit. They brought this problem to Afghanistan.
One week after this interview, Abdul Haq - an opponent of the 2001 U.S. intervention and one of the few Afghans capable of uniting his country under a nationalist banner - was captured by the Taliban and later executed. U.S. forces in the area ignored pleas for assistance to rescue him and his comrades while they were being pursued and in the period soon after their capture.
Afghans are still paying the price for the Taliban's continued destruction in Afghanistan from their bases in Pakistan. Taliban remnants are killing and threatening school staff members and burning down educational facilities. Their heinous crimes mean that the young minds needed to drag the country out from current miserable situation are being deprived of their desperately needed education. And, despite strong evidence of ongoing support for the Taliban by elements of the ISI and the Pakistani military, the Bush administration continued to send billions of dollars worth of arms and other support for the Musharraf dictatorship in Pakistan.
Implications for Today
The consequences of U.S. policy towards Afghanistan through the 1980s and 1990s played a major role in the Taliban's rise and al-Qaeda's subsequent sanctuary. The September 11 attacks brought the United States directly into battle in Afghanistan for the first time, and U.S. troops are to this day fighting the forces of former Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami allies.
The United States made many errors during the more than eight years of fighting, but one of most dangerous was repeating the tragic mistake of placing short-term alliances ahead of the Afghanistan's long-term stability. During the 1980s, the United States was so focused on defeating the Soviets and the Afghan communists that an alliance was made with Islamist extremists, who ended up contributing to the country's destruction. In this decade, the United States has been so focused on defeating the Taliban and al-Qaeda it's made alliances with an assortment of drug lords, opium magnates, militia leaders, and other violent and corrupting elements which have contributed to the country's devastation still further.
There's no easy answer to Afghanistan's ongoing tragic situation. Nor is the question of the most appropriate role the United States can now play after contributing so much to this tragedy.
What's important, however, is recognizing that Afghanistan's fate belongs to the people of Afghanistan. Indeed, any further efforts by the United States to play one faction off against the other for temporary political gain won't only add to that country's suffering but - as we became tragically aware on a September morning eight years ago - could some day bring the violence home to American shores.
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Show Allzbig and his ever lasting hatred for russia, was one of the founders of this mess. the american hit and run foreign policy only leaves behind a failed state. this is control through chaos. colonization does not work. the taliban and al quaida are the american governments foster children. a free baluchistan will now bring about more chaos. with the neolibs now in power, they have the perfect agent in place, holbrooke will be in charge of balkanizing the region.
Think back to Vietnam. The United States, under JFK, got rid of the Diem clan, a bunch of brutal and totally corrupt autocrats, very early on in our disastrous involvement there . . . and then watched as one regime after another (civilian or military) proved over the succeeding years to be no better. That's what will happen in Afghanistan. Get rid of Karzai and you can bet your life that his replacement will be just as bad, or worse. Meantime, the medieval fanatics and gangsters will continue to slowly and patiently chip away at what has morphed into our imperial folly. I have no idea what Obama is trying to accomplish there. I doubt he knows himself.
start listening for the name KHALILZAD. he is a signer of pnac, uber neocon, x envoy to everywhere, born in afghanistan. the neolibs might just push him as the new viceroy of KABUL.
Wow, what a great piece. Should be required reading for all Americans!
Excellent history and analysis. I would like to learn details of what Arsala and Zunes think may be the best path forward.
Who were these Afghan Communists? Were they smuggled in from the Soviet Union or were there actually indigenous Communists in Afghanistan? Did the philosophy of Marxism make itself known even in that backward (so-called!) country? Why do we never hear - even from Khushal Arsala, an Afghani and the co-author of this supposedly thorough piece, about the home-grown Communists of Afghanistan?
The Soviets had a long presence in Afghanistan during the reign of Zahir Shar, as did the Americans. Both were in a competition to supply the regime various development projects within different spheres of the economy. The Soviets' major educational institution was the Polytech in Kabul and the US has considerable influence in several of the colleges of the University of Kabul. Of course, within much political socialization was taking place.
Communism was also for some an organizing concept for transforming a feudal society. I am not so sure that the Afghan Communists were truly communists or more modernizers. I know that one of my former students, Najibullah, who was the last communist president of Afghanistan, in his earlier years was really more of a modernizer than a communist, albeit he spouted, upon his return to Gardez from the Kabul Polytech, more than his fair share of communist jargon. But it was also obvious that he just really wanted less traditional oppression and a release of Afghan ability to have a better society. I have always thought it was the major mistake of the Reagan (or was it Bush I?) administration to not stop funding the mujahadden after the Soviet withdraw and give Najibullah, who was becoming far more tolerant of Islam and civil society, space and time to organize a modernizing regime.
Pre Soviet invasion Afghanistan was in many ways more tolerant and peaceful than the USA. Certainly not backwards as say a neocon.
ALL VERY CEREBRAL -
THE UNITED STATES ONCE WAS LOOKED UP TO, FOR PEACE, FOR DIVERSITY - (at least from the Common Person's viewpoint)
ONE WOULD WISH PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD SEEK LESS AGGRESSION -
POSSIBLY BY IGNORING TERRORISM, WE COULD REGAIN OUR STRENGTH
An excellent and authoritative summary of recent Afghan policical history. It should be required reading for all who wish to join the dialogue on the controversial issue of American involvement today in Afghanistan.
As this history indicates, the US/NATO can neither just withdraw nor continue to prop up the Karzai administration which seems to be a reinstitution of the old kingdom without the podshah, but with its Pushtun dominantion. Our presence must be to help Afghans (all not just one ethnic group) establish models of community self-governance within a national state structure that guarantees bout the freedom of all the peoples inhabiting Afghanistan, as well as, the territorial integrity and full independence of the nation itself. Such an Afghanistan would not be a safe haven for foreign Wahhabist organizations to plan and conduct hostile activities against the West and would be a step for a better life for Afghans, be they Pushtun, Tajik, Hazar, Uzbek, or any of the other small ethnic groups. Continuing the Big Game strategies of the Bush Administration or simply withdrawing are not the answers.
Again the two professors should be complimented for their fine contribution to critical reflecton on this controversy.
I sure wish the authors had commented, if not supported, my proposal (http://fpif.org/fpiftxt/5842) for the US to require the Saudis to help re-educate the Taliban.
The authors note that:
The Afghans "hadn't previously been inclined to embrace the kind of fanatic Wahhabi-influenced fundamentalism that dominated Islamic studies in the camps."
I posited that the Saudis have credibility with the Taliban. The Saudi version of Wahhabism is a bit more moderate than the Talibans' in that the Saudis support girls' education and allow women to own and operate businesses. The Saudis could conduct well-publicized symposiums in Kabul and Peshawar to challenge such menacing conepts as apostasy and jehad and thus help moderate the Taliban ideology.
"This focus on a rigid religious indoctrination at the expense of other education"
Whether religious, fearful, reactionary, left wing, right wing, plutocratic, autocratic, military, corporate, financial, racist, sexist or from other extremes, conservatives fighting among themselves would destroy the world if we put them in power.
I join with several of the above comments to say this is an exceptionally well done historical description of how the current catastrophe in Afghanistan gradually evolved (courtesy of bad, bipartisan American foreign policy choices) over the course of the last thirty years.
I would be very interested in the authors' views on what role (positive or negative) India plays in the months and years immediately ahead, as the factions fighting over control of Afghanistan's future appear to keep on fragmenting and proliferating, each with their own outside backers. Also, I would like to hear a bit about how Mullah Omar, the former head of the Taliban government at the time the Bushies started the bombing, fits into this whole mosaic.
I agree with PragmaticLiberal that continuation of Big Gamesmanship in this region, and abrupt complete American withdrawal, are both really bad policy options. The key element in any disengagement strategy should be to directly link US/NATO troop withdrawal to the ouster of al Qaeda and other non-Afghan militant factions.
Perhaps Barack/Hillary/Holbrooke should publicly promise to pull completely out militarily within 90 days of Osama bin Laden and Zwahiri's ouster into exile for trial before an international tribunal for the WTC attack. If need be, go back to Mullah Omar (wherever he's holed up), extend America's deepest regrets, and say Uncle Sam will now accept the Taliban's previous offer to stay out of the region militarily if the foreign jihadi madrassa/training camp sanctuary there is dismantled. Structure the approach so that the faster all foreign factions get out of Afghanistan, the faster the yankees will go home.
That quid pro quo may be the best outcome possible to extricate the United States from more bloody quagmire and/or looming disaster. Once the dust settles a bit, then talk about reparations and reconstruction.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill -3:13 ------ Good suggestions. One problem there is very little Al Qaeda or madrassas in Afghanistan. The vast majority are in Pakistan. The main problem is we turned a battle against Al Qaeda into a battle against Pushtuns and opium growers.
Also no can be sure if Bin Laden is a neocon ally or not.
Herman Schmidt
I'll bet Patraeus is already doing what the two authors warned against, recruiting groups willing to fight against the Taliban. That's what he did in Iraq, sacrificing long term stability by arming Sunni tribal leaders, who will eventually have to be disarmed by the Iraqi government. Actually, imperial powers have behaved the same throughout history.
"... some in the United States saw the Soviet invasion as a "gift." Zbigniew Brzezinski, former President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, even claimed that the United States helped provoke the Soviet invasion by arming the mujahideen beforehand, noting how "we did not push the Russians to intervene but we knowingly increased the probability that they would." Once they did, he wrote to Carter, "We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War."....
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What the scholars fail to do is inform the reader when the US began its covert operations: JULY 1979. Roughly SIX MONTHS BEFORE the Soviets invaded in DEC 1979. But, if you read the article, you'd think all of this really formulated during the Reagan Era. Nope, it happened covertly under Carter. Just like it was under Carter that the US supported the brutal repression of student resistance by the Shah of Iran. The Shah received a note from none other than Brzezinski. Iran took the US hostages –ONLY- after the Shah was allowed in the US. The connection is Brzezinski.
After Carter's defeat, Brzezinski and Khalilzad went with Reagan and continued the Central Asian mission. Brzezinski was and still is a major influence in the "DEMOCRATIC" foreign policy model. Indeed, Zbig empathically supported Obama.
Consequently, Brzezinski was also supportive of the missions carried out in Central America during the 1980s. The “El Salvador Model” was implemented in Iraq in 2005, the same year Khalilzad became the Ambassador of Iraq –who just recently finished with his tour as Ambassador to Afghanistan. Zbig called Khalilzad's work in Iraq "realism". Ironically, when Israel was conducting its war against the State of Lebanon (July War), in 2006, Obama wrote a letter to Khalilzad, who by then, was the US Ambassador to the UN. Obama emphatically supported Israel’s position telling Khalilzad the US should support Israel’s right to defend itself. Kofi Annan denounced Israel’s response to Hezbollah as “excessive use of force”. The Lebanese labeled it a war of retribution.
Zunes continues to (in)directly reinforce a positive image of Obama among progressives. During the Democratic primaries, Zunes qualified Obama’s worth by noting “mainstream” strategists like Brzezinski endorsed Obama.To Zunes utter disgust, Obama selected Holbrooke and Clinton –two individuals the professor empathically despises, labeling them effectively, militaristic war-mongers. So, what does this make Obama? Oh, he supports realism. He's a pragmatist, don’t you know?
chuk-it; excellent comment. khalilzad was born is afghanistan. do not be surprised if they start pumping him for the viceroy of kabul. zbig and albright were obamas foreign policy advisers during the campaign. kissinger said he approved of obamas appointments. kissinger was just sent to russia. holbrooke and shillary were part of the package. the neolibs of the new world order are now in place.
Herman Schmidt
One additional thing, others have treated the communist government far differently than the authors. The communists instituted many reforms including liberating and educating women, and the uprisings was by the Afghanis who were accustomed to treating women far differently. Would the Afghans be better off today if we didn't support radical groups to fight the Soviets? Certainly their suffering would have been less. Although inconceivable, what if the US and the Soviet Union had cooperated in protecting those gains and agreed to a form of governance that left neither imperial power permanently in the country. Yes, that is inconceivable.
More and more people are coming to recognize that concentrated power is more trouble than it's worth. The enlightenment principle employed by the founders of the USA to handle this problem was to limit the lifetime of enterprises to individual projects. And so without a specific mandate from the people, power was simply not allowed to concentrate. This kept the people attentive to their own needs. This works well against all geo-political skulduggery. The USA doesn't need to be in Afghanistan. We don't need the Afghanis natural resources. All we need is a right to land/water to sustain ourselves, e.g. 1/3 acre per person to cover all food, fuel and materials. Unfortunately, people tend to forget this and wind up supporting elite concentrated power with all of its many destructive outcomes. Are we failing to effectively counter the elite's propaganda campaigns?
It would be almost amusing if it wasn't so sad. We try to tell everyone else how to live (some by force of arms), while our country implodes from within under the weight of its own greed and corruption. We say that the world is a scary place, while doing everything we can to see that it remains that way.
Telling whom how to live? By providing security for the Afghans to choose how they wish to live, despite the attempt of Wahhabist colonialists? This is not Vietnam or Iraq. Whole different set of factors and the authors of the above article did an excellent job presenting them in summary form. Too bad that some post here without really reading or understanding what they said or using their scholarship to reconsider facile positions.
very interesting stuff
thanks for the detailed background information and the context it was presented in
there are dark days ahead for all the arabs not just the afghans as surely as there are dark days ahead for all of us too
cheers, b
Thank you one and all for the 'extra' contributions and support for this extraordinary fine article. My Afghan friends are pleasantly surprised to see an article 'telling it like it is' see the light of day.
Kudos to all!!!
Paul Siemering
great piece= i'm sending it around to whoever i can find.
on the other hand we have to wonder- we are now 8 years into this stupid massacre- should we not have had stories like this all this time?
Finally, the assault on Afghanistan was sold to the u.s. citizens- and alarmingly to NATO- in high post 9/11 hysteria, when reasonable discourse was hard to find. yet it has remained in the minds of way too many people in some inexplicable way, justified, unlike Iraq.
The attack on Afghanistan always was a brutal war crime from the start.
Thanks. My view, precisely.
There is no definition of winning in Afghanistan, described as the graveyard of empires, and no objective publicly defined beyond meaningless noise about democracy and freedom. Propped up, of course, with the ever present fear of the ghost of Al-quaeda and also the Taliban -the latter that only Afghanis and foreign intruders need fear.
Afghanistan, in and of itself is unimportant to the US and always was until Caspian energy became important. It all has to be looked at in the larger context -a location of strategic geographical importance.
In that context a continued presence there is the nearest thing to an objective right now; the TAPI pipeline and a strategic presence for Caspian energy and corridors being the major unvoiced previous objectives that are in current disarray.
Just as the US helped Russia founder in Afghanistan, so too Russia will help the USA get mired -it is far too good an opportunity for them to pass up. It will help stem the American expansionism in Asia that Russia views as its sphere of influence.
Every move over the last 8 years has made Iran stronger; meanwhile China sits there with infinite patience watching the boys at war wear themselves down.
We live in interesting times.
sanctuary; well said. if i may add, while we are bogged down in these endless wars, china is making energy deals the old fashion way. we are a hamburger helper republic, partly due to our senseless imperialism by the powers that be.
Thanks RealityZone. PragmaticLiberal has all the proper administration designated media buzzwords like "safe haven" and "knowledgeable hosts" etc. but seems strangely unaware of the underlying reasons behind Afghanistan and Iraq. They are connected.
I have yet to have anyone explain to me how an exposed grunt training camp in the middle of nowhere has any relevance to the 9/11 attack. What possible skills could you obtain there? Precious few, and those could all be achieved in private in a single room hidden from view.
As an excuse to invade a country it is rather pathetic, besides which, if providing a safe haven and being a knowledgeable host (the latter is speculation and assumes Afghanistan can be thought of as one man, which it can't) is sufficient excuse to attack then why have not Germany and Florida been attacked? That's where the training took place; visas, drivers licences and safe havens were supplied. Very, very fishy.
1. And you are using the tried and true antiwar boilerplate with a pedigree back to WWI and enhanced during Vietnam. I have used it also over the years, just not in regard to Afghanistan where it is factually misplaced.
2. You and yours have not remotely showed on factual grounds (as opposed to subjective intuition and logical fallacies) how Afghanistan and Iraq are related. The only factual relationship is that Bush stupidly removed resources needed for Afghanistan with his mad invasion of Iraq.
3. Why have training camps existed in Paktia and other parts of Southern Afghanistan (and now Northern Pakistan) then, if they are as worthless to al-Qaeda as you claim? Why have thousands been in these camps? What do you know that al-Qaeda doesn't?Do you think bomb making and other terrorist tactics are innate? Do you think the bonding is unimportant to carry out missions guaranteeing personal destruction? Do you believe being part of something is not reinforced by face-to-face activities? Pure sophist deflection!
4. It has been my point that Afghanistan is multi-grouped; but your attempt to assume away the Taliban as the government during the 9/11 period is just argument through desperation. I don't think the governments of Germany or Florida knowingly gave succor to al-Qaeda operatives--a distinction that makes a huge difference in your attempt to equate those polities with Taliban Afghanistan. What is pathetic is attempting to wish away al-qaeda's and Taliban's responsibility for 9/11 and other terrorist activities and the wishing away of the consequences of Taliban renewing their hold on Afghanistan--consequences harmful for the West and for all Afghan groups and individuals not accepting Wahhabist practices. History is just to be ignored and let's pretend that the same factors will not produce the same results in the future. Absolutely amazing!
pl; why has the justice department not indicted bin laden for 9/11? when they were pressed for an answer, their reply was. [not enough evidence]. interesting.
Since you have descended into the insults I'll add some to the mix -that's quite a crock of distortion and pompous fluff. Try coming down to earth for a while. Where did I say that training camps ".. are as worthless to al-Qaeda as you claim" Nowhere, you made that up and then assigned it to me - a fine example of a logical fallacy. I said it had no relevance to the 9/11 attack and it doesn't.
For that you need flight training, flight simulators, maps, flight schedules, access to the actual type of plane used etc. You are not going to pick people who need training in hand-to-hand combat or bonding ideology and other touchy-feely crap or square bashing in a grunt camp. Aside from the risk of creating someone who is not up to the task there is a single reason that this public display is fatal. There is a very high statistical probability that the plan will leak and the game will be up.
Why do you ignore the culture of a sovereign country and implicitly sanction the invasion of that entire country and the inevitable death of innocent civilians? Just for a small group of people? In civilised society that normally involves a police action or at the very worst a covert hit squad. How can you sanction this global evil?
"I have yet to have anyone explain to me how an exposed grunt training camp in the middle of nowhere has any relevance to the 9/11 attack. What possible skills could you obtain there? Precious few, and those could all be achieved in private in a single room hidden from view." sanctuary
You seem to forget your own words. I pointed out some of the things learned there and their application to terrorist attacks. Now you add some that might not have been learned in camps, but fail to refute what I suggested.
You must not be reading anything I am saying, if you think I have ignored the culture of Afghanistan in its many ethnic and tribal manifestations. I am the one asking folks to get beyond some broad antiwar boilerplate and deal with concrete and objective reality in Afghanistan. I have also dealt with the harm to innocents that you now offer again. I am tired of repeating (maybe that is a problem with this type of forum). So I'll just leave it at one point previously made--in your great concern for harm to innocent life have you spent a moment to consider the consequences of withdraw both to Afghans (particularly the Hazarras, Tajiks, Uzbeks, secular Pushtuns) and Westerners, if the Taliban and al-Qaeda are allowed to reestablish what they had in Afghanistan? Do you know anything of their history of pogroms within Afghanistan? Many innocent lives will be lost whether the US escalates or it withdraws. The comparison is not between escalating and the lost of innocent lives and withdrawing with no or even small loss of innocent lives. Further have you any idea of what you condemning the women, particularly the young girls, to, if your preferences are followed.
Finally, you seem to not notice the changes that are occurring regarding US/NATO operational strategy. The Obama administration has no intention of fighting the war against al-Qaeda and theTaliban as the Bush Administration did. But then, why critically reflect when you can parrot old Vietnam (actually old WWI, if not older) talking points.
"in your great concern for harm to innocent life have you spent a moment to consider the consequences of withdraw both to Afghans ..... and Westerners, if the Taliban and al-Qaeda are allowed to reestablish what they had in Afghanistan?"
see my previous comment "and also the Taliban -the latter that only Afghanis and foreign intruders need fear."
Yes, the Taliban are a nasty lot by Western standards but I am unsure how they are viewed from the many Afghani viewpoints and the shifting allegiances of tribal politics. Not everyone wants freedom or gunship democracy. That's worth repeating.
The Taliban are not a binary entity either -there are various percentages of adherence. Hard core Taliban probably only make up 20% of them. The Taliban thrive where people are poor, when alienated by deaths caused by foreigners and where the administration is corrupt. Much of the poor income is from poppy cultivation, which has soared since the invasion -funny that as you'd expect the opposite with all those soldiers in control and all the aerial and satellite data.
Oh, but I have noticed the latest strategy although that term may be too strong a term. So what is the US strategic plan now? - why, it is to crack down on poppy cultivation with the inevitable outcome of driving more of the poor to the Taliban. Brilliant!
I'd say with their latest victory in Swat Valley in NW Pakistan and the various admissions by the western military in Afghanistan that the Taliban cannot be defeated militarily that Joehopes objectives 1 and 2 that you solidly support are a wash.
There are possible economic solutions but solutions are neither desired nor required by the US or its puppet NATO. That is because the objectives of Afghanistan are not points 1,2 and 3.
Furthermore I don't need to prove it to anyone, least of all you, as this board is a place where ideas are raised and discussed not a court of law.
Most of the people on this board are also not as blinkered as yourself and don't indulge in pompous bafflegab and straw man logical fallacies.
"There is no definition of winning in Afghanistan,"
Actually, it couldn't be clearer.
1) Defeat al Qaeda and the Taliban.
2) Stabilize and rebuild the country.
3) Catch Bin Laden.
Joe 9:45 ------ Problem is attacking the Taliban is a war crime( War Against the Peace just as Iraq was).. Does the USA really to want to catch Bin Laden and besides 100,000 troops to catch one man? And with brutish ways the USA turned a war against the Taliban into a war against all Pushtuns and opium growers.
Iraq was a war crime; Afghanistan has a just cause of war and thus isn't. The objectives are to root out an organization who attacked the mainland of the USA and other places from its safe haven and to prevent those who hosted and nurtured them in that safe haven never return to central power.
If you want really brutal use of violence, unchecked by any concern for innocent life, you may wish to redirect your vision for the US and place it on al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Your prescription would be condemning many Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, secular Pushtun, nonWahhabists to their tender mercies. Brutal way, indeed!
pl; what?
Prag 10:30 --- We attacked Afghanistan after the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to a third party country if we presented evidence of his involvement in 9/11. The Taliban was following standard international procedures to deal with a criminal. The USA initiated a criminal War of Agression on a sovereign nation instead of following international law.
The USA, Saudis and ISI created and nutured Al Qaeda more than the Taliban.
I have yet to hear of any USA claims that the Taliban had prior knowledge of 9/11. Yet there are many claims the Neocons had prior knowledge.
A country having a violent discriminatory regime does not give license for another nation to attack it( unless it is Genocide as in Rawanda and Palestine).
If the USA is not brutish how does it manage to kill( I know wedding parties look just like combat brigades) so many civilians and turn the Pushtun population against it?
The USA is haboring Posada a well known terrorist, hotel bomber, and airbus bomber, by your analogy it would be proper and legal to overthrow the USA government and occupy the USA in order to bring Posada to justice.
On what do you ground your charge regarding a War of Aggression? Responding to an attack upon your nation? Umm, the Taliban government also demanded evidence which they would judge prior to turning Usama over. Pure stall and token to prevent attack. Also I doubt that a Pushtun(s), given the Pushtunwali's ( code of Pushtun which defines what a Pushtun is)demand for hospitiality would have allowed anyone in that government to turn over Usama, an established guest. Such action would have meant lost legitimacy and not being a true Pushtun. Wasn't going to happen, couldn't happen; but a useful fiction for those wishing to deny just cause for the US action.
The Taliban were the knowledgeable host, sharers of Wahhhabism, of al-Qaeda. While the US may (or may not)have provided aid to Arabs in Afghanistan during the Soviet Occupation, saying the US helped al-Qaeda, formed well after, is a stretch, as is denying the safe haven to al-Qaeda by the Taliban. But yes, you are correct regarding the Saudi and the Paks, or groups within both governments.
Are you really saying that the Taliban government did not know what was the intent and practices in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. I am not convinced they knew about the specifics of 9/11, but certainly knew that al-Qaeda wasn't just playing around in those camps (like some paintballers here). I also have a hard time believing that al-Qaeda would risk the hospitality protection and not notify their hosts. But on that I don't know, just suspect. Yet that suspicion is more credible than 9/11 being an inside job of the Bush Administration or affiliates.
I don't think I based the just cause on Taliban action on its people. I think I used their brutality to show that violence isn't just from the Western forces and that withdraw was not without consequences to innocent lives (the authors of the article above fear the same). Yet, genocide may well have been the policy of the Taliban government v. the Hazaras. It has a good chance of being carried out, if the Taliban's return is not blunted. Is killing, btw, 8,000 in Mazir-i-sharif enough innocent deaths to alert you to the violence the Taliban are willing to use?
I have absolutely no doubt that given the revenge demand in the Pushtunwali that the killing of a kinsman creates an eternal enemy. And I have no doubt that the US military has killed Pushtuns. But, unlike you, I have no idea of the extent? What is so many? And in how many of the villages in the Pushtun areas? That matters as the revenge demand is not activated by the killing of nonkinsmen (who mostly share the same villages). It is not triggered by a rumor of a killing in a Pushtun village not one's own (unless a kinsman was there). In short, you and others have a grain of truth regarding revenge in that society by have stretch it far beyond objective reality. I have seen nothing suggesting that Pushtuns en masse are against the invasion, or have been made so because of village bombings in the broad Pushtun territory (hell, villagers have turned in Pushtuns from other kins to the Westerners).
If a country suffering a major harm by Posada operating from the USA, with the knowledge of the USA,wishes to attack the US because of what you claim (and the claim is valid), then yes it would have just cause. Why would you think it wouldn't? Just because it would be ineffective doesn't mean it lacks just cause.
GF; exactly, speaking of the taliban, where is mullah omar? why does no one ever talk about him. he hated bin laden, as most afghans do not like arabs. they consider them foreigners.
supposedly england and france have many terrorist cells, as well as germany. if the supposed 9/11 teams would have had training camps in one of the european countries. would we have attacked, and occupied them?
It would be nice if you entered a reality zone--the difference France, Germany, and England as opposed to Taliban Afghanistan does not host and nurture willingly those cells. They are not proud allies of al-Qaeda. Their leaders do not intermarry with al-Qaeda. Sometimes one in a reality zone needs to make distinctions that matter. Incredible!
PL; you seem to believe that there is no difference between al quaida and the taliban. did albright have the taliban to the white house over for tea to discuss the unocal pipeline, or did she not. a very convenient enemy indeed. do you believe the 9/11 attack was a just and viable reason to attack, and occupy afghanistan. why was saudi arabia never included? why was pakistan never included? will you also be beating the war drums for the balkanization of the region, and the formation of baluchistan?
Is the U.S. once again to assume the role of Top Cop to the entire world? Isn't this just a slight twist on the neocon/neolib doctrines of American Exceptionalism, in a unipolar world dominated by U.S. corporate/military values? There are many ways to advocate for relief for the oppressed peoples of the world short of military invasion and occupation of their countries. This approach is an example of the existential psychologist, Abraham Maslow's dictum: "When your only tool is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail."
joe; are you just looking for attention? you can not be serious. are you?
Do you really think this issue has but one side--yours? Joe is quite correct regarding the objectives (of course, he and I lack your ability to divine the REAL reasons, being just mortals).
pl; we are all just mortals in the great chess game. yes there is more than one side to every objective. no one lacks any ability for the divine reasons. just please stop with the msm. do some research, do not believe everything the media tells you. they have been wrong time and time again. they are promoting the american militarism around the world.
joehope, pl, there is no excuse for such naivety in this day and age.
How anyone intelligent enough to be reading a blog such as CommonDreams can buy the War Party propaganda, hook, line and sinker, escapes me.
Please.... I implore you... inform yourself. America desperately needs more serious truth seekers and far fewer pablum feeders.
Again, I was reading critiques of US foreign policy as corporatist and imperialist before you were probably born. I have even framed other US actions within that critique and thereby rejected the military action. For the concrete reasons I have given, I don't believe that boilerplate critique is applicable here. I see little here but some bad cases of echolalia from those who believe they have a penetrating and even original take on things. You should really take your own advice and look at objective reality on its own, being skeptical of the overly tight perceptual screen you bring into the learning situation.
I am remind by your comment of an experience I had many years ago in Kabul, Afghanistan. A group of we Peace Corps Volunteers went to a Unitarian/Universalist service at the Embassy. A very nice older lady, excited to see some young folks there, greeted us. She told us (none who were Unitarians) about the service and said it was a very liberal belief. She said, " But then it would have to be liberal as I only do liberal things." To which I responded, "That seems very illiberal of you." She walked away. Unquestioning conformity to what is liberal is not liberal. You seem much like that well-meaning, but unmeaning lady. I see nothing of serious truth seeking in many of these posts. I only notice an echo chamber.
First of all, you don’t know when, or where, I was born, and your assumption that you do is arrogant in the extreme, and highly illiberal.
The paradigm for post-WWII American corporate/military interventionism in foreign lands is well established by now (in the public domain since the release of thousands of Freedom of Information Act documents) so it often seems like deja'vu in the implementation and echolalia in the description.
The methodology was already well established by the end of the 1950's, with the prototypical operations being Operation Ajax, the deposal of the elected government of Mohammed Mosaddeq in Iran at the behest of American and British oil companies, with the establishment of the rule of the Shah, and the CIA orchestrated coup of the elected Arbenz government in Guatemala, in 1954, at the behest of the United Fruit Company.
But let me reiterate what you and joehope believe to be the “objectives” of an American escalation of a failing, 8-year, military intervention in Afghanistan/Pakistan:
1) Defeat al Qaeda and the Taliban.
2) Stabilize and rebuild the country.
3) Catch Bin Laden.
Don’t these utterly simplistic goals sound suspiciously like the formulaic reasons for so many other American foreign interventions of the last 50 years? I have neither the time nor space to spell it out for you. I suggest you start with a publication by a fellow Peace Corp volunteer, John Perkins: “Confessions of an Economic Hitman.”
You describe yourself as a "pragmatic liberal." You are sounding like a "neo-liberal."