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White House Fears Liberal War Pressure
These fears, which the officials have discussed on the condition of anonymity over the past few weeks, are rising fast after U.S. casualties hit record levels in July and August.
The aides also expressed concern that Afghan election returns, still being tallied, will result in a narrow reelection for President Hamid Karzai that could result in qualms about his legitimacy — “Tehran II,” as one official put it, in reference to the disputed Iranian election.
The result: some think Afghanistan - not health care - will be the issue that defines the early years of the Obama administration.
“There’s no question that the drumbeat is going to get louder and louder on the left, and you’ll see some fall-off on the right,” said Matt Bennett of the think tank Third Way, the moderate voice of the progressive movement. “His supporters on the Hill are fighting a really serious political battle to keep the criticism under control.”
The Afghanistan conflict, which has gotten relatively little attention in part because Obama talks far more often about domestic concerns, is roaring back to the top of the Obama agenda as Congress is about to return from weeks of meetings with often unhappy voters.
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) last week called for a timetable to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan — the same tactic he and other war opponents used to build congressional support for forcing an end to the Iraq war.
But Obama officials — including National Security Adviser James Jones and Defense Secretary Robert Gates — know the problem is much bigger than Feingold and timetables. They anticipate a growing number of anti-war liberals will call, with increasing force, for an end to the conflict when lawmakers return. Cost could become an issue, too. With deficits high, there will be heavy pressure on Obama to find savings somewhere in 2010 — and war critics see Afghanistan as a good place to start.
George F. Will opened a new fissure among conservatives with a column Tuesday calling for the U.S. to pull all ground troops out of Afghanistan, on the theory on the French general Charles de Gaulle that genius “sometimes consists of knowing when to stop.”
But it’s Democratic opposition that could force Obama to retreat on what he has called a "war of necessity."
To try to salve critics, the administration has been developing a series of numerical indicators, scheduled to be sent to Capitol Hill by Sept. 24, that are designed to sharpen U.S. goals by measuring everything from civilian deployments to the proportion of the Afghan population that is secured.
Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell told POLITICO: “We have to show the American people that all this effort, all these resources, all these lives are making a difference.”
White House officials expect that a whole new national conversation about what the U.S. is doing in Afghanistan, and how, will be prompted by recommendations for strategy adjustments that Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, made in an assessment of the war that went to the Pentagon on Monday and is likely to be delivered to the White House in the next week.
McChrystal held off from requesting additional troops in the assessment, but administration officials expect he will ask for at least 10,000 more soldiers and Marines later this fall, on top of the 20,000 additional troops Obama authorized in February and March.
Peace activists gather near the East Gate to Fort Hood on Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009, in Killeen, Texas, as they protest the War in Afghanistan and show their support for Army Spc. Victor Agosto, who publicly refused orders to deploy to Afghanistan.
(AP Photo/The Killeen Daily Herald, David Morris) “Our point here is: Let’s see what’s working, and what’s not, and base it on the facts, not a gut instinct that most commanders have, that more is better,” a senior administration official said. “We’re prepared to shift and adjust, depending on what we see work. We need to let this strategy take hold, and see what we’re doing well, and if there are deficiencies, before coming in with any requests for additional resources.”
Nevertheless, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said at Monday’s briefing: “I think there's broad agreement that for many years our effort in Afghanistan has been under-resourced politically, militarily, economically.”
Liberal House members have already made it clear they will balk at future funding requests, but now the administration is trying to make sure that leaders and key committee chairmen don’t also lose their stomach for the conflict after two months in a row of record U.S. casualties since the 2001 invasion.
“It doesn’t need to be victory in 12 months to 18 months -- that’s not realistic,” a top administration official said. “But the American people needed to have a sense that we are moving in the right direction. We need to bring about noticeable change on the ground. We have to start to show progress.”
Bennett, of Third Way, said Americans need to recognize that the situation Obama inherited in Afghanistan “is as bad as the economy was -- heading off the rails in just as dramatic a way.”
“In both cases, the president took a bunch of action very quickly to get back on track, and it will take time to show benefits,” Bennett said.
But unlike with the economy, there are few signs of “green shoots” in Afghanistan.
In August, U.S. deaths in Afghanistan passed 50 for the first month since the 2001 invasion, adding to administration worries about keeping key lawmakers on board. A senior official said the White House always “knew it was going to get worse before it got better.”
“These casualties, as gut-wrenching as they are, are not a surprise to anyone,” the official said.
“When you put in 20,000 additional forces and you deploy them to regions of the country that had been untouched by coalition forces for a long time -- had been basically ceded to the Taliban -- it’s not at all unexpected that that would then result in difficult confrontations, and American and coalition lives lost. But, ultimately, by going after the Taliban in these strongholds, it’ll turn the tide in those areas.”
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Show AllTranslation: U.S. imperialism and violence should continue unabated, and the Afghani people do not have the right to self-determination.
Obama is a war criminal.
And these "officials" are speaking anonymously because Obama will shit-can them if he finds out they leaked it to the press that Obfraud is afraid of the libs.
Oh those "liberals" cause the military-industrial complex so many problems! Too bad the White House can't just turn our own military on the "lefties" and be done with it.
It is the MIC that is calling for increasing troops and weapons over there. Even sources inside the Pentagon are pessimistic about "Af/Pak." Obfraud is taking orders from Raytheon, G.E., Goldman Sachs, and Bechtel.
What are Obomber's metrics for "showing signs of progress" in Pipelinestan ?
Perhaps losing as many troops as we lost in Iraq will be considered "showing signs of progress" ?
What's scariest is that I wonder if Obama and his war advisers themselves have any idea what "progress" would look like. "Securing the population" sounds like the idea is to remove all members of the Taliban, one village, farm, city, and rut-hole at a time. Just like Vietnam, and as in Vietnam, if that's the plan, we'll find that Taliban will just keep popping up in new places as the populace becomes more and more enraged at our presence and our weapons.
The Taliban can destroy the opposition by attrition alone. They have millions of supporters. Just bankrupt us into oblivion while we fight them "over there."
I'm a supporter of the Taliban only because right now it is the only coherent organized force over there fighting American imperialism. So I'm behind them. And I'm glad we are getting our asses kicked.
raydelcamino, hi. I believe the primary Sign of Progress is continued Silence by the Sleeping Populace.
Obama the puppet and his elitist controllers will run America into the ditch over Afghanistan, then they will enact cuts in services to the middle class and working poor to pay for their mistakes. The elites are about the learn the limits to their power.
What exactly is the goal of the U.S. in Afghanistan? Is it the same as in Vietnam? That is, kill all the Vietnamese? Just how many Afghanistanis do they want to kill, bomb, imprison, torture, etc., before they call it quits.
Just as in Vietnam, as long as invading forces occupy their country, the Afghanistan people will prevail.
And we'll never hear anything about the billions of dollars washed down the drain, since that is the main aim of the U.S. juggernaut-give those tax dollars to the mercenaries.
And of course, there won't be a word about the thousands of lives wasted, since the U.S. has zero respect for human life.
The right wing is also calling for the pullout in Afghanistan.
The same right wing is calling for the bombing of Iran.
Exactly.
Right now, there is more antiwar sentiment on the right than the so-called left. Pretty pathetic.
War of necessity? War is terorism! Obama is now its chief purveyor.
Look on the bright side, at least someone actually feigns to care about what "liberals" think. That Oh-Bama is so wedded to colonialism and central Asian oil," in concert with his oh so conventional bailout of financial institutions without a hint of a jobs program, should tell us all we need to know about this Clinton clone.
Kill, kill, kill, and do it all with a smile and kind eulogy for Kennedy.
I think the White House is trying to find someone to write a damage control article.
Bennett Miller
Shreveport, LA
Good work, RichM. Most critics of psychological manipulation (Orwell, Atwood, etc.) make doublespeak and other misuse of language a big part of the picture. They are right to do so.
Challenging the meaning of words and language used in the press and politics is a big part debunking the lies and innuendo that surround us. When someone says that someone had "forced the end" to the Iraq war, the unwary reader might get the idea that the invasion had actually ended. And these stupid expressions - green shoots, blue dogs... they appear to be vivid and cute, but are really lazy ways to characterize corporatists and non-existent signs of economic growth, respectively.
It is too easy to slip into those habits of mind. BTW - it is not a war in Iraq. It is an invasion.
Joe
they are "worried -- call for an end to the Afghan war ...BEFORE the white house can show ........PROGRESS?"
they are delusional.
the only "progress" they will get is BIGGER , DEEPER HOLE that swallows Empires..INCLUDING the USA.
Where is this stupid crap coming from? What liberal opposition? It seems entirely made up. I'm guessing that this is laying the groundwork for blaming the Left for the Americans eventual departure and defeat. But perhaps there is another motivation. Any ideas?
exactly , laying the groundwork to blame "those lefties and unpatriotic ones" for "causing defeat"........
just like they still DO in blaming "those lefties and unpatriotic ones for not SUPPORTING the vietnam war ENOUGH"....
"we americans -- we never learn, do we?" -- Lee Hamilton, watergate commission, 9/11 commission
There is a growing opposition to Afghanistan among the American people. The "liberal" opposition refers to congtressional liberals who will be the first to speak out when Congress comes back in session.
There may also be some Republican opposition among those who see this as a way to undermine Obama.
I don't care much who is "blamed" as long as this war is ended.
Americans are now about 57% opposed to Afghanistan. I'm sure that doesn't include only the liberal imperialists. That number will keep rising as long as the casualties stay high. Amerikans hate to "lose." Like you said, I don't care why people oppose it, as long as they oppose it, but many Amerikkans oppose imperialism where we look like we are getting our asses kicked and that is the only reason. Otherwise, they are all for it.
The antiwar groups are gearing up for protests in October. I don't think it'll work (it didn't work in 2003 either), but whatever. People have to show up by the hundreds of thousands or the millions at the White House every day, day in and day out, for it to work. Otherwise the media just blacks it out. Let Obama turn military troops onto 300,000 protesting Americans in Washington D.C. and see how well that goes over.
So instead of a "body count" to prove there is progress it will be the number of the "Afghan population that is secured" shortened, no doubt, to "population secured". This is becoming funny. I wonder what the magic number is for a secured population victory.
odoco
I think it was once referred to as "strategic hamlets." The Vietnamese did not think our idea of securing their safety by removing them from their ancestral homelands was beneficial to their overall wellbeing or happiness. I doubt the Afghanis will react much differently.
Strategic Hamlets, Otherwise known as concentration camps and prime targets for Vietcong.
Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell told POLITICO: “We have to show the American people that all this effort, all these resources, all these lives are making a difference.”
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yes!!!!
the Difference is:
more lives LOST
more limbs LOST
more Futures LOST
more enemies created
more Trillions to be lost
more homes lost
more torture FOUND
more corruption Created
YES!!!!
it's the american way!!!
It looks like liberals, progressives and conservatives will unite now to end the War.
I knew this was gonna happen and why I voted for Obama.
This what it is gonna take. Now many dividers here can attack the L word.
There was no way to know the wackjob wingers would be against it. They generally support defense spending in order to run high enough deficits to bankrupt social programs.
Even if we pull out of Afghanistan (I doubt we will), we'll have to find another "enemy" to bomb - Iran? Venezuela/Bolivia?
Are you one of those "my pretzeldent right or wrong?" You support this clown even though he's destroying the working class? If that makes me a "divider," I'll take it.
If you have read any of my posts you would know I am not one of your "my pretzeldent right or wrong". I support ending the war now.
You got a beef with that?
Wow. Sounds like I hit a nerve.
Go out for a run or something. No need to get your tightie whities in a knot.
I ignore posters' names on here, so I have no clue what your "history" is on this forum. And I don't give a rat's ass what you've written in the past. I respond to whatever posts look interesting and don't pay attention to names and I sure as shit can't keep track of who is who on forums (fora?) like this. Who cares what you posted in the past? I'm not looking at past posts here. I'm just killing time while I'm working.
But in your case, your post above was just dumb. Traditionally, wingers support war.
Traditionally, the USA could afford war. Read the article.
But since as you admit your comments are just killing time, I will give them the credibility you seek.
Obama should come clean on just what the Afghan war is all about:
1) Afghanistan is the shortest route to take the enormous gas reserves from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean ports in Pakistan.
2) The Afghan route bypasses both Russia and Iran, thus the US can get the gas without any economic benefits to those countries classified as "enemies".
3) Using the country's strategic position to drive a wedge between China and Russia (and Iran) and as a launching point into Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan (as a start) to extend the wedge.
4) As a base to keep Pakistan under US control -- thus the AfPak war extension is for the AfPak gaseoduct.
5) The war industry is the only section of the US economy that is still growing through the current recession.
If Obama were to clearly state these reasons for the war the congressmen and the public would have a base to weigh their opinions (neocons "YES" /sensible people "NO").
"Where empires go to Die"
If current trends continue, the US will more of a third world country then their partner in poverty, the former USSR. Let the drum beat continue!
"pre-mature" end? "Liberal" anti-war?
We have no good reason to even be IN the Afghanistan. Pull us out, take that money, invest in wind farms and solar panels, and viola... no more USA dependence on Baltic Pipeline oil.
I'm glad that someone else was struck by the bizarre choice of "premature end." There is no such thing. "End" is the matter for this war that never should have begun.
Liberals putting pressure on the White House? You gotta be kidding me right? Looking through the progressive blogosphere, they're too busy bashing Texas to be doing any White House pressuring.
Bennett Miller
Shreveport, LA
The pressure the WH should be feeling is for a re-investigation of 9/11 to get to the lies we used to invade Afghanistan to begin with. I understand that if it was not the false flag of 9/11, it would have been some other excuse. BUT, it was the false flag/lie of 9/11 and this is what MUST be revealed to allow the truth to set us all free.
Did you see the top Truthers on the National Geographic Documentary investigation last night?
All scientific tests results of their charges were rejected by them as false... all they got is faith.
I would not depend on these guys to set anybody free.
Jim Glover September 1st, 2009 1:51 pm............I don't watch the idiot box.
But you do see the idiot loose change CD's right?
Jim Glover September 1st, 2009 3:00 pm......No, but I have seen the DVDs.
Right. I meant DVD's I stand corrected.
You clearly haven't done your research on the science. The National Geographic show simply obfuscated the serious scientific research done by Dr. Niels Harrit, Dr. Jones, Kevin Ryan et al. They distorted NISTs findings and research, avoided key technical documents, and created absurd experiments for mass consumption that were a joke from a scientific perspective.
You can read the email exchanges between the producer of the show and a few of the leading scientists that challenge the official story here:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21047
And here is the most definitive research done, a peer-reviewed paper, which clearly demonstrates the presence of high explosive residues in the WTC dust (which was ignored by National Geographic):
Bentham Science Publishers: "Active Thermitic Material Discovered In The Dust Of The WTC Catastrophe"
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
This discovery has been independently confirmed by Chemical Engineer, Mark Basile and another researcher in Europe using independently obtained dust samples. More scientists are currently working to confirm the results.
You can watch an inteview with Dr. Harrit, the lead scientist, on the above paper here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
This Dutch Dr. Harrit, has no nano thermite, never has and his definition of it is any substance that burns or explodes hot.
Sparklers are thermite too.
This guy is just mouthing what he has been told... and it is obvious.
But believe what you want, because there is no proof.
Debunk This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWpC_
1WP8do&feature=player_embedded
Jim, you clearly haven't read the paper, and based upon your comments, are probably not a scientist. Not that you have to be a scientist to read the paper, but if you are going to critique it, you'll need to do much better than that. This paper was peer reviewed by numerous scientists in the qualified fields. This isn't some home made PDF type accusations. They had access to the most modern XEDS, chromatography, et al machines.
If you are not going to take the time to understand the data in a serious way, it's clear you are not interested in honest scientific inquiry, and I see no reason to go down this path with you.
To claim that his definition of nano-thermite is any substance that burns or explodes hot is absurd. The material is highly exothermic, industrially produced micro particles containing the compounds necessary for a thermitic reaction, in the correct proportions.
For others in this thread, just read the paper and understand the importance of this (although it appears the bentham site is temporarily down). I don't think it's fair to go down the 911 path in this particular comments thread to the rest of the readers, but I can't sit by and watch this type of baseless accusations stand without comment.
By the way, that video you posted is a laughable response. They address all these concerns in the paper by the way. I'll paraphrase for you: the contents of the thermitic materials are in a pre-fabricated matrix that are proportionally mixed to perfection to create the high explosive. This requires a careful and methodical industrial process, not the random explosive energy in the hopes of mixing a matrix of perfect proportions.
agitkid September 1st, 2009 4:36 pm...........I do not understand Jim's position. He has been stuck in this mode for as long as I can remember. Just refuses to let the information in and sticks to all these illogical stories presented by this pseudo science. Could be he is just very typical of the average American he simply cannot accept that their government would pull off such an atrocity. Whatever it is, there just does not seem any way to get through. There are a certain percentage of the population that will not see the truth or even the need for a new investigation, no matter what you present. Incidentally, for your own knowledge, have you ever checked out Judy Woods site. The photographic evidence is startling.
nevergiveup, thanks for the info. Regarding Judy Wood, I haven't looked at her site. My impression of her work, however, is not very good. She has been taken to task for many unfounded speculative hypotheses, in one case here:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/NISTRFCWoodRebuttalGBU.pdf
I would recommend reading all the back and forth on this topic here (scroll down):
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters.html
The Journal of 911 studies has done a great job of remaining true to the scientific method, so has engaged Wood and Reynolds often. I think the data, or lack thereof, speaks for itself with respect to some of Wood's ideas.
agitkid September 1st, 2009 9:05 pm......................Have you taken a good look at the stills on her site? If so, can you explain them? I have two discs of 2000 pics...send me your address and I will send you copies.
Your post is beyond amazing. The National Geographic Documentary "tests"????
Those "tests" were laughably stupid. The only meaningful section in that whole show was the discussion with the demolition guy. The rest of the crap had all the relevance of a grade school science project.
The show should have been aired on Comedy Central.
“It doesn’t need to be victory in 12 months to 18 months -- that’s not realistic,” a top administration official said. “But the American people need to have a sense that we are moving in the right direction. We need to bring about noticeable change on the ground. We have to start to show progress.”
That's simple; just lie your asses off, as you have for the last eight years. Tell the USA people any outrageous crap you want. They'll believe it . . . for a while. There is no "Victory" in Afghanistan. There is no "progress". There is simply death and debt. That's the reality. And that reality will catch up to Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans sooner or later.
P.S. There is NO SUCH THING as a "moderate progressive". Obama is a "moderate progressive" which is to say that he fits former Salt Lake City mayor Rocky Anderson's description of George Wanker Bush: "a lying warmonger".
How about this? His moderate progressivism was brought to a "premature end."
"This is like Deja Vu, all over again".
- Yogi Berra
I see no sign that this White House fears anything except losing its corporate reelection funding.