Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.
The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.
It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.
In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."
Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline "is simply not accurate." "This memo isn't accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies," said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.
Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.
Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.
And over the past several days, both the White House and PhRMA have offered a series of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in an attempt to walk back the story.
The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. Also on the same day, a health care lobbyist following the talks was provided the outline of the deal by a person inside the negotiations. That outline had been floating around K Street before being obtained by the Huffington Post. In order to learn more about its origin, HuffPost agreed not to reveal the name of the lobbyist who originally received it.
"That is the PhRMA deal," said the lobbyist of the outline. He then clarified, "It was the PhRMA deal."
The deal, as outlined in the memo:
Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 - 23.1% ($34 billion)
2. Agree to get FOBs done (but no agreement on details -- express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion)
3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion) This totals $68 billion
4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what this tax/fee will be based.
Total: $80 billion
In exchange for these items, the White House agreed to:
1. Oppose importation
2. Oppose rebates in Medicare Part D
3. Oppose repeal of non-interference
4. Oppose opening Medicare Part B
"Non-interference" is the industry term for the status quo, in which government-driven price negotiations are barred. In other words, the government is "interfering" in the market if it negotiates lower prices. The ban on negotiating was led through Congress in 2003 by then-Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), who is now the head of PhRMA.
The rebates reference is to Medicare overpayments Big Pharma managed to wrangle from the Republican Congress that Democrats are trying to recoup. The House bill would require Big Pharma to return some of that money. The rebate proposal would save $63 billion over ten years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The White House, given the chance, declined to tell the Wall Street Journal for a July 17th article that it supported the effort to pursue the rebates.
The Medicare Part B item refers to "infusion drugs," which can be administered at home. If they fall under Part B, Big Pharma gets paid more than under Part D. The agreement would leave infusion drugs in Part B.
In the section on Big Pharma's concessions, "FOBs" refers to follow-on biological drugs. Democrats have pushed to make it easier to allow generic drug makers to produce cheaper versions of such drugs, an effort Big Pharma has resisted. The Senate health committee bill gives drug makers 12 years of market exclusivity, five more than the White House proposed.
PhRMA's Johnson cast doubts on the provenance of the outline. "The memo, as described, is simply not accurate," he said in a statement. "Anyone could have written it. Unless it comes from our board of directors, it's not worth the paper it's written on. Clearly, someone is trying to short circuit our efforts to try and make health care reform a reality this year. That's not going to happen. Too much is at stake for both patients and the U.S. economy. Our new ads supporting health care reform are starting this week, and we are redoubling our efforts to drive awareness of why this issue is so important to America's future."
Johnson added that "no outside lobbyists -- not a single one -- were ever involved in our discussions with the Senate Finance Committee or the White House so someone is blowing smoke."
But the lobbyist who was given the outline defended its authenticity. And although the White House now says that drug price negotiations and reimportation were not actually discussed in the talks with PhRMA, the lobbyist said: "Well, that's bull -- that's baloney. That was part of the deal, for them not to push that."
The new uncertainty surrounding the deal comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has repeatedly said that her chamber is not bound by any agreement it is not a party to. On July 8th, the day after the Journal reported some elements of the deal, Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said in a public speech that his committee would not be tied down by the agreement.
Before recess, he followed through. His committee passed a bill that allowed for re-importation and drug-price negotiations.
In the Senate, Democrats Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Byron Dorgan (N.D.) pressed White House officials at a closed-door meeting last week, asking whether the White House had tied the Senate's hands.
The health care lobbyist said that what deal still exists is uncertain, as a result of House pressure. "Now the White House is backing away from it, as you know, because of pressure from the House, because the House was not a party to the deal," he said. "The Speaker put enormous pressure on the White House, [saying], 'We weren't a party to it and we reserve the right to do whatever we want.' And which they did in the House Energy and Commerce Committee bill, which led the White House to say, 'Well, maybe it's not cast in concrete.'"
Obama is walking a tightrope here. He wants to keep PhRMA from opposing the bill, and benefits by having its support, which now includes a $150 million advertising campaign. That's a fortune in politics -- more than Republican presidential candidate John McCain spent on advertising during his entire campaign -- but it's loose change in the pharmaceutical business.
Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative.
Big Pharma, however, is still comfortable. "As far as the pharmaceutical industry, PhRMA and its member companies, yes, they say a deal is a deal. We'll see what happens," said the health care lobbyist.
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Show AllIf Obama is lying he deserves to be defeated in the primaries of 2012.
Smoking Memo or Shoddy Journalism
http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2009/08/smoking-memoor-bad-journalism.html
this is the latest as far as I know
Over 10 years, medicare and medicaid will spend $3 trillion on drugs.
Other countries who negotiate with these same drug companies save an estimated 30-40%.
Modestly, we would stand to save about $1 trillion. Instead we are going to save $80 billion.
Not a bad deal for PhRMA. What is the White House thinking?
Reference:
These figures come from the Thom Hartmann program, who quoted the HHS website. I actually work for the NIH (HHS), but cannot find these numbers myself. I would be glad if someone can link them.
Let the wheel of health care fortune spin.
We spend 1 trillion dollars a year on the military budget.
Lets match that funding for National health care.
If I am asked which way I want my money spent in a referendum vote, I choose health care.
Americans spending money for Americans health care.
All the money stays at home.
NO BRAINER.
WAR IS THE FUEL WHICH KEEPS US DIVIDED AND CONGRESS OCCUPIED WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT TAKING CARE OF AMERICANS WHO PAY THE BILLS.
All Colin Powell has to do now is come out for single payer, as he's already come out for getting rid of the "don't ask/don't tell" policy on gays in the military to be ready to win the presidency next time in one of the biggest landslides in history and go on to be a black Dwight D Eisenhower. Progressives for Powell could be coming right up! Hell I F Stone in the 1950s said "Vote Ike for Peace."
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Perhaps the deal has been made. Big PhARMA agrees to what they did. Obama ONLY agreed to OPPOSE Congressional efforts. He might be Opposed to HR 676, but if it got to his desk, he could sign it! He got a concrete deal in trade for influence. I'd be more worried about what the Health insurance/Big Pharma lobby has secured in congress already. That was Payment made for vote cast. Obama can't vote.
You got the story backwards. Obama cut the dirty, rip-off deal with Pharma, without consulting congressional leaders. That was one step too far, ethically, even for Congress. (Read Greg Palast, near the top of this thread.)
H.R. 676 has 93 co-sponsors. Obama is not with them.
Drug costs: If you have a computer and internet access [or access to a public library with internet] go on line, search for your drugs as - xxxx on line [where xxxx is the name of your drug] and order thru the medical establishment in India for about 1/10th the cost of US meds. If there is any way possible to screw big business, take it. BTW, you can also go on line and find the median income for your family size in your state. If your income is less than that, you can claim chapter 7 bankruptcy and wipe out your credit card debt. It is easy. Your local bankruptcy lawyer will charge you about a thousand dollars, which is probably one credit card payment. He will have you stop paying them the minute he ascertains that you are eligible. Use it as a practical strike against big finance companies. Do it now. If everybody did it, we would bring them to their knees in a week. [And then ... please .... can I walk down the line of ceos on their knees with a 22 pistol? It would be like stepping on cockroaches.]
MichaelC
Lying White House Scum! At least with the idiot Republicans we knew what they were. They were wolves in wolves clothing. Now we have wolves in sheeps clothing (no offense to animal wolves). This good cop/bad cop scam is wearing thin. Obama has turned out to be quite an ingenious scam. Time to pressure this quisling and let him know we dont want anymore lies and just because he allows the right wing hatred drama to be aired in order to make himself appear on our side, we are not falling for it anymore. RISE UP!!!!!
I agree. It's Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Fox, with the insurance and pharma oligarchs playing Br'er Rabbit and Obama playing Br'er Fox. "Please don't throw me into the Briar Patch." But, in this story, everybody including Obama knows they want to go into the Briar Patch. It's a swindle and Obama is in on it.
We need single-payer, or nothing.
How fun to see Palast steal this post, likely without knowing it.
Bravo, Greg Palast! Once again, liberal Democrats fearing there's no political alternative, proved to be corporate fascism's greatest ally. Re the town-hall right-wing dissenters, instead of doing what we've been trained to do--refer to those we disagree with as some variant of "stupid" or "crazy", we should learn from them, share info with them, and make an alliance to defeat this "Re-Pharm" bill (hey, that's not too shabby!).
When the CEOs of the four biggest insurance companies were asked by Congressional committee members if they guaranteed not to rescind policies in the absence of any application fraud or misrepresentation, they all - ALL - said "No". As far as I could determine, they were not asked the circumstances under which they would rescind. Perhaps a very expensive health condition, anyone? You know, the usual reasons.
Obviously neither Obama nor the Legislative branch can be trusted to "reform" health care, unless it is to further enrich the insurance industry.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
he should tell them for starters for now on do your own research no more university research that you don't pay only get credit
when you apply for patents. now if you charge these prices you
paid for r and d your entitled which they aren't! obama
reminds me of guy i met in the banking biz. kinda
looked like him any way this fella told he tried to sell
some chinese immigrants the bridges in nyc. real slick
slimy guy. like obama. i moved my desk.
I don't understand how some people can think it is ok for Obama to lie. Are they so desparate to believe in the man that they overlook his lying? To hope that he is only pretending to doublecross the American people so that he will in the end betray his benefactors and in the end be the knight in shining armor who saves the day is not only wishful thinking but delusional.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but that part of the article made me angry. I am angry that no matter how many lies President Obama tells or how many people he doublecrosses that there are people making excuses for him and defend his lying. Honesty in our leaders and in people used to mean something in this country. Honesty used to be valued and dishonesty used to be punished by people no longer believing what you say. Why doesn't honesty mean anything in a leader today? Why do we continue to elect and support people in government who LIE?
President Obama has no problem lying. It is sad but our President and some in Congress lie to us. People wonder why many Americans do not TRUST them anymore? Gee, do you think that if you people in our government didn't lie so much to the American people we might TRUST you a little more? The more you LIE the more WE THE PEOPLE LOOSE OUR TRUST in you.
Now I can be called a racist, nazi, and unamerican because I think it is terrible that we have a GOVERNMENT THAT LIES TO US. I am for single payer, but the way this Bill is now I do not support it, nor will I support it. So Nancy, I guess I am unamerican in your eyes, because I don't support the health care bill as being pushed down our throats by the so called Liberal/Progressive Party.
chrisy58 August 13th, 2009 3:40 pm..................We continue to elect leaders within the government who lie because they ALL lie. Every damn one of them. It may be a lie of the mind or a lie of omission or a lie of complicity, but it's a lie, period. It has happened because we have all compromised our values through the years. Now, we accept lies as the normal course of events.
This bill has NOTHING to do with single payer. Please support HR 676. It's We the People's only hope.
Most Progressives are behind single payer, not this bill.
Here's a great way to support single payer....
http://www.peaceteam.net/lobby.php?bill=HR676
There is no bill. There are about 5 of them right now, and they haven't been reconciled.
Who are you kidding saying what you said? Yourself? Us?
Let me understand this clearly: in any final bill, there will likely be new conditions for health insurance companies: No more "pre-existing condition" denials. No more lifetime caps. No cherry-picking of healthy, young individuals.
You are against all that?
Just the facts, please, if you bother to respond. Sorry, we can't have single-payer in our lifetimes. Because of that, you prefer to leave everything as it is? Are you joking?
Eliott the corporate Obama-apologist
"Sorry, we can't have single-payer in our lifetimes..."
Not in our lifetimes, eh? No one ever thought that interlinked computers in every home, and even even in poeples pockets, capable of free, instant communication to every corner of the globe, would never happen in our lifetimes. The US/Soviet nuclear standoff certainly didnt look like it would end in our lifetimes...
The three things you mention are pretty minor, they will not stop the many thousands of medical bankruptcies that occur every year even for for fully insured individuals. I see nothing in the curent plan that that will prevent large numbers of uninsured. Thousands will continue to die. Nothing in the plan will halt the absurdly high costs of care from the huge hospital monopolies that dominate every city.
The curent plan that is likely to develop will entrench the corporate interests and make single payer even more difficult in the future. It has to be stopped.
I still expect to see not only single payer, but the abolition of capitalism before I die. Hope dies last.
pjd412, the ass.
Did you comprehend what I wrote? The original author essentially said, "I DON'T WANT CHANGE IF I CAN'T HAVE IT MY WAY."
You feel this way, too. Good. Support the corporate control of the system, and continue to pay skyrocketing costs annually. Perhaps you, too, can declare bankruptcy, which might happen before your single-payer dream kicks in.
The current bills ARE for corporate control of the system!
And sorry for the rudeness but you don't tell someone working hard for justice that they should just give up because they will not see justice in their lifetimes.
Now, please address the specific points I made.
See my post at August 13th, 2009 2:21 pm.
I don't subscribe to some of the things chrisy58 said, who I think may be confused.
But, I think you're wrong about the new conditions. And, you're wrong that we can't have single-payer. Two-thirds of Americans want it, and that's an Earth-shaking majority.
Many of the most knowledgeable people on health insurance reform are now saying Obama's public-option duct-taped to for-profit-insurance plan is worse than what we now have. Not to mention the mandate on individuals to buy defective products from the insurance profiteers and crooks.
Single-payer, or nothing.
Have you seen Bruce Dixon's reports?
"Top Ten Ways To Tell Your President & His Party Aren't Fighting For Health Care For Everybody"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/31
and "So is the Obama plan really better than nothing?"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/27-9
in which he says:
"The Obama plan seems calculated to buy time for private insurers, TO END THE HEALTH CARE DISCUSSION FOR A DECADE OR MORE WITHOUT SOLVING THE HEALTH CARE PROBLEM, do so in a way that discredits the very idea of everybody in- nobody out health care. It will leave tens of millions uninsured, a hundred million or more underinsured, and the same parasitic private interests in charge of the American health care system that run it now."
We the people are being raped and pillaged by the greedy capitalists in this country and we whimper like sheep. It is just unbelievable what has happened over these past 18 months!!! Have we had our eyes gouged out? Has capitalism made us stupid?
Have we "consumers" become "numb nuts" with our love of capitalism? Has consumer capitalism been the destroyer of our spiritual nature, of loving and caring? Where is the rage? Where is the rage against the lack of rage? Where is the rage against such an unjust and totally corrupt system?
What little rage there is seems to be directed only to the wrong people, the usual scapegoats for the abuses of capitalism, like terrorists, adulterers, gays, the poor, the homeless, drug addicts, immigrants, those who cannot afford health insurance, those who are "too lazy to work" when there are no decent jobs, those who were forced into credit debt to pay for health care, those who took out home loans to make up for 30 years of stagnating wages while at the same time the economy boomed to make only the rich richer, and finally, the hate against those very few courageous "socialist commie pinko liberals" who just want a more just America.
I plead for millions of the "courageous few mentioned" to advance on Washington DC to put the blame and "out-source" our weak-kneed, gutless, suck-ass U.S. Congress that is on bended knee to corporate America!
Hi, Stephen Riley....your having noted Capitalism ...one might take that as a central point:
Since the USA is the world's "paragon of capitalism" (one might even say HYPER-capitalism) - the one country that absolutely MUST maintain its IDENTITY AS a capitalist nation and MUST export it as part of its "national security" (as a thief feels he MUST steal in order to not just eat but can't see himself any other way but AS a thief) - would it really seem strange that the USA as the world's "great capitalist" ALSO has the reputation of "being the most entertained people........and the least informed?"
it seems that these two things come hand in hand......
the quotation seems to be the END RESULT of Capitalism...
as a baby is the result of a woman's getting pregnant.
Capitalism , in other words, gave birth to a population of the "most entertained.........but the least informed". ...which then continues to vote against its own best welfare as a population.
Distract them with Consumerism and entertainment ..and americans will ALWAYS vote for Consumerism and Entertainment..
even as they are turned into idiots thinking that they have the "choice and freedom unlike other nations".......
which of course is the ULTIMATE delusion. .....promoted BY capitalism.
Stephen V. Riley August 13th, 2009 3:44 pm.......I plead along with you and have been doing so for years. It takes more than pleading, I am afraid. It takes courage, organization and the willingness to go all the way. As yet, Americans have not had enough. And no one seems to know what that threshold looks like.
Obama keeps reminding us of what his own mother went through when she prematurely died of cancer: She worried about how she was going to pay the bills.
I keep remembering this, and it's difficult for me to think that he would double-cross his mom like this, and use her name to sucker the populace and reward the very corporations that made her life so impossible.
Now, are you all saying he is so skunkish, so dirty, that he would resort to this? (The usual trolls need not answer.)
Ultimately, if it is shown that he double-crossed not only us, but his mother's memory, that would be morally criminal.
Obama basically grew up to be a salesman of capitalism..........
and one of the first things he SOLD was his own mother.
it does not require having known her personally ...it only matters that whatever he Claims she was ABOUT, most especially highlighting her sacrifices and work with the poor, especially about her illness and then death to garner for himself a hard-to-deny
"affinity" among americans ...as way to mark his campaign as something it turned out to NOT have been : compassionate, fair, truthful, JUST, humane, not given to warmaking but rather peace
has become his own way of SELLING his own mother - through his USE of depictions of what or who she was - to the highest bidders..........which means : NOT the american people with whom he tried to paint a "connection" between his mother and the american people.....
but the Corporations and those in power.........
because His great desire , clearly, is to make himself a "better american emperor" than those before him.
you could see this by his studious declarations avoiding the CONTINUING legacies of injustices even against those of his own color - black americans - and sounding MORE like a white person berating them for being "not responsible enough" (which is like telling a victim :"it's really your fault")...
you could see this by his studious avoidance of CLARITY of positions in public -- but working the backrooms to empower those in power SOME MORE, lest his facade be broken until the next election (one can only guess how far he'll get away with THAT facade)...
you could see this by his eloquent use of language and yet the substance in his decisions and actions are not there...
he is ambiguity upon ambiguity --- pretending to be "clarity"...
and has outClintoned Clinton in "triangulation".....
to hide what is really a host of betrayals of his supposed "changes".
what is clear NOW :
his book about his father was designed to get himself ingratiated to the american public -- but more to signal the POWERS that be who choose the campaigners that he was "great presidential material at the right time" --
and was a calculated project to give him impetus to be the "choice"........
and then he brought his own dying and eventually dead mother -- with his pretend "need to be alone in her last moments" in hawaii during the campaign --
as yet another ACT in the play - where "the chosen one now emerges from his family tragedy to come down to the american public and bless them with his greatness"......
he has been great in SEEMING to not "use the mother" -- while USING her as a prop for his campaign to convince americans he was about Change "you can believe in"........
Wake up and smell the skunk spray, Elliott.
· Yr Obd't Servant
zzzzzzz....
Elliott August 13th, 2009 3:29 pm............Morally criminal? As if bombing innocent men, women and children in Afghanistan and Pakistan from a command center in Nevada is not morally corrupt. I think he crossed that line a long time ago...probably when he threw his own preacher of twenty some odd years to the dogs before he was even the president.
Irrelevance is not a virtue.
Neither is ignorance.
Morally criminal. Yes. He's much like George W. Bush . . . in a bubble of denial. If he's accumulating power and his pals are making money, that's what counts.
Yeah, it's really been a rough 8 months, as compared to a rough 8 years.
Oh wait: apples and oranges. Silly you.
does anyone know if this is a hoax?...........
www.oneminutecure.com
coco, I don't know. But when someone spends a lot of time promoting a "secret" without revealing it, I get suspicious. However, I fished around and found that if I google "h2o2 therapy" a slew of interesting websites came up. I found the following particularly interesting:
http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
thank you for that b4kids........i couldn't get the link to work though. were they for or against?
here's a site i found a long time ago about h2o2 therapy:
http://healingtools.tripod.com
but if it's true and it works then the pharma companies will be out of business....
Some time ago, I said that the Obamanation was much like being Bushwhacked. I was in error; it is worse and getting worser by the sellout.
We've been thrown some cosmetic changes which are supposed to have us dancing in the streets. In actuality, the backroom deals, the thousand-plus page bills continue to be written, full of pork and giveaways and more HS restrictions, voted upon, but never read by any of our alleged representatives.
As I have said in other blogs, apparently We the Sheeple are quite willing to follow the nice goat with the bell, up the ramp and through the door...into the abattoir.
Almost everything We the People have owned has been given to the the Oligarchy that already owns over ninety percent of the wealth and close to a hundred percent of the government. Our treasury, our say in how the United States is run, our reputation which is now in the sewer as the lineal descendants of the Third Reich and the CCCP.
Now, we are seeing "little" things to pick up whatever is left. Credit card interest is up to 25% or more. As the letter I got the other day said as it announced the latest increase, "hard times and a downturned economy have forced us to raise our rates." Apparently, several trillion wasn't enough. They want whatever is left.
Palast is right on target. Big Pharma and the banksters will give you a dime credit and take five bucks, saying, "Let's call it square."
With all this talk of "austerity" needed to survive in the US, there is never a mention that taking a lousy ten percent off the military budget could solve almost all of our problems, health, education, housing, clean water. Ten percent! Instead, we give more hundreds of billions to the bloated war and MIC budgets while cutting the throats of the American People.
It is going to take over a hundred million people taking to the streets, general strikes and boycotts, sit-ins in all of the Senator's and Congressmen's offices, to just get their attention.
Remember, for several decades, they have only listened to the lobbyists of the wealthy and powerful, and done their bidding. We the People are just incidental.
We have the power. Gandhi had the power. A nation of individuals united for a purpose and not allowing itself to be split by the dissensions sown by the elite and their government lackys.
Let us learn to use it!
I see Br'er Rabbit's game being played out here. The health-insurance profiteers have been lying, cheating and stealing from us for decades. Along comes Obama and Congress, saying we're going to "reform" that. We're going to mandate that all Americans buy the profiteers' products!
And (get this part, suckers) we're going to impose new rules on the health-insurance industry.
The insurance profiteers cry out "please don't throw us into the new-rules/mandatory-customers Briar Patch!" Then, when thrown into the Briar Patch, they run away laughing "We were born and bred in the Briar Patch!"
The obscenely-rich industry knows it can evade rules, challenge and overcome them in court, place industry shills in regulatory agencies, and bend legislators to their will with lobbying and campaign dollars. In the end, the rules will not be enforced, just as hundreds of regulations regarding numerous industries are currently not being enforced. (One could make an impressive list.)
But, INDIVIDUALS don't have the power and resources of industry. Government will be able to enforce the new rules on US. We'll be required to buy defective products from the insurance crooks.
Do any of these health insurance "reform" bills contain strict and specific penalties for insurance companies that engage in unlawful conduct? Does any bill specify who has "standing" (if I have my legal terminology correct) to enforce such penalties? Would only government have such standing? Would the rules be only guidelines? Would industry be allowed to determine what is "reasonable" compliance?
I'm in agreement with the most knowledgeable people in this area: a single-payer system is the way to go. Don't throw the profiteers into the Briar Patch; remove them from health care entirely. I'm for H.R. 676, and I see Obama's plan as going in the wrong direction.
Polls show an Earth-shaking, two-thirds majority of Americans want a single-payer system. In my view, the industry-funded, Republican-controlled recess-rally PR-actions are not designed to kill the Obama "reform." They are designed to prevent constituents from telling their legislators to pass single-payer. So far, it's working.
Why don't we, the two-thirds majority, attend some recess rallies and advocate for H.R. 676?
CENSORSHIP...FRIG IT!
Don't forget, that 2% savings Greg Palast so well explained is only UP TO 2%. It could easily not only melt away, but go into negative numbers.
So some opponents are hoping Obama will end up double crossing his benefactors? I gave up drinking that koolaid months ago. Anyway, he's too busy double crossing the voters - transparency was the first to be thrown off the bus. But give him credit; he keeps finding more ways to betray us.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Obama is walking a tightrope here. He wants to keep PhRMA from opposing the bill, and benefits by having its support, which now includes a $150 million advertising campaign.
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Any chance that $150 million propaganda rollout will push for single-payer?
How about a pure public option?
Stop laughing!
I had to ask.
Hi Cygnus. You've written some great posts in the past regarding economic reforms. Do you think other industries apart from health insurance belong in the public sector? Just Utilities? Is retail a utility? What the fuck is a utility? "Original Fire" by Meat Beat Manifesto is way cool.
Already public:
Roads and highways, bridges, public transportation, public airports, public libraries, public schools, public parks and wilderness areas, public drinking (tap) water, public sewers and sewage treatment, police departments, fire departments, the military, Social Security, Medicare . . . . and now, H.R. 676, the single-payer, universal (public) health insurance legislation?
Only if we, the two-thirds majority of Americans who favor single-payer, attend some recess rallies and tell our legislators to support single-payer, and NOT Obama's bait-and-switch, mandatory for-profit health-insurance bill.
But why do we want these industries in the public sector? People are visiting this site for the first time and want definitive arguments. Singapore airlines and Chilean Copper-mine Codelco function well in the public sector apparently. If the competitive/incentive argument was a scam for the rich to get richer, can't socialists make the case once and for all?
Heres the argument you may be looking for.
Briefly, from basic Economics, for market-allocation of resources to work efficiently and fairly, one needs:
1. A sufficiently large number of both buyers and sellers for comptetive forces to work - in both directions so neither unfair "buyers" or "sellers" markets develop.
2. Readily and quickly available information regarding prevailing prices, quality, features, consumer hazards and other aspects of the goods in question.
3. Freedom of both buyer and seller from coercive situations or situations where urgency prevents buyer or seller from gathering the necessary informaiton to make an informed market decision.
As you can see, there are many situations where these are not true. Therefore, pirvate market competetion will not work in a lot of situations. Physical space pervent markets from working in the case of provision of roadways, infrastructrue and utilities - they need to be publicly owned or in the form of publicly regulated corporations.
The employment market violates all of the above rules, so free markets cannot be expected work fairly in this situation either. A pure socialist arguably concludes that all enterprises that require hiring of labor should be public. But most agree that instead, measures like minimum wages, laws regualting workplace conditions and safety, and laws that protect and preferably encourage union organizing are adequate to do the job.
And finally, back to the matter at hand, a person with a life threatening illness or injury cannot be expected to shop around for the best and cheapest deal in getting his life saved! This violates rule Number 3. Medicine is a complex and specialized, and infrequently used thing, and the patient cannot be expected to be informed about the options available in the market - this violates rule Number 2. Finally, the munber of hospitals and doctors a reasonable distance form the patient is rather limited - this violates rule Number 1. Therefore, one cannot expect markets to efficenntly or fairly provide medical care. QED, my dear "libertarians".
The fact that the patient-consumer is also expected to shop for inceidbly complex schemes for payment of the medicine makes the situation even worse.
So, we can conclude that the delivery of medicine, or at least public financing in conjunction with cost controls, definitely belongs in the public sector.
One does not need to be a doctrinare "socialist" to understand or argue that markets don't work in a lot of situations - it just take common sense. But your question and all these absurd arguments that medicine just needs more "free market" competetion to work just illustrates how completely unhinged this market-fundamentalist mania has driven so many Americans thinking. The USA is the Taliban of free-market looniness. And the reason is obvious, there are a lot of big winners, who accumulate enormous money and therefore power, from all these market failures.
Thank you for a great response, now we're getting somewhere. Apparently it's not common sense to thousands of economists, conservatives and libertarians.
Surely this must exist as some law of economics-maybe you could formulate one yourself. This is THE issue, wouldn't it be good if we could discredit these guys once and for all with basic maths and ethics. If we've got justice and logic on our side and still can't convince everyone to vote Kucinich there is something wrong with us.
So who has written the best study for private sector vs public sector? Which industries should be nationalized and why? If health insurance performs better as a public utility, why not others? Who benefits from privatization? I just wish we could resolve this damn argument and move on.
Has anyone but Chomsky even mentioned U.S industry's dependence on publicly-funded military research?
I'll start with "Kicking away the ladder" and "You don't always get what you pay for," someone must have presented a concise, definitive argument on the subject!!
I haven't read it, but there's a book out there called "The case for big government."
Thanks, I'll check it out. I saw Douglas Rushkoff on Colbert recently and he seemed to have some ideas. If capitalism/privatization is a con, surely it could be debunked in a few paragraphs, right?
Here's some more important texts if anyone's interested-
"The Conservative Nanny State."
"Super Imperialism."
"The Lost Science of Money."
"Proposed roads to Freedom."
The problem is the public is shut out of these negotiations!
Grim sez: "Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative."
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Yeah, baby! More 14-dimensional chess.
Just like he played Gold in Sacks and CitiBank during the Big Finance "negotiations".
Tally HO, the FOX!
Sly old Obama is pretending to be a bad guy by being a bad guy so that he can fool the bad guys into thinking he is a bad guy but, they are bad mouthing him like he might be a good guy so he has to "act" even badder to fool the bad guys for our benefit. Man, he's getting so good at pretending to be bad guy that it's impossible to tell the difference between him and a bad guy. He sure is clever, ain't he?
Remember when inflation is 15% and there is no COLA increase, it's Obama trying to out bad the bad guys for our benefit.
As to this:
"Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign.....": ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** (Due to the thousand word limit, the broken promises have been replaced by asteriks)
Keep on out baddin' 'em Mr. President. You sure know how to fool those bad guys fu' sure!
Investigative journalist Greg Palast had this to say about the $80 billion "savings" that Big PhRMA "promised" Obama in exchange for this crappy deal:
Obama on Drugs: 98% Cheney?
by Greg Palast
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Eighty billion dollars of WHAT?
I searched all over the newspapers and TV transcripts and no one asked the President what is probably the most important question of what passes for debate on the issue of health care reform: $80 billion of WHAT?
On June 22, President Obama said he'd reached agreement with big drug companies to cut the price of medicine by $80 billion. He extended his gratitude to Big Pharma for the deal that would, "reduce the punishing inflation in health care costs."
Hey, in my neighborhood, people think $80 billion is a lot of money. But is it?
I checked out the government's health stats (at HHS.gov), put fresh batteries in my calculator and toted up US spending on prescription drugs projected by the government for the next ten years. It added up to $3.6 trillion.
In other words, Obama's big deal with Big Pharma saves $80 billion out of a total $3.6 trillion. That's 2%.
Hey thanks, Barack! You really stuck it to the big boys. You saved America from these drug lords robbing us blind. Two percent. Cool!
For perspective: Imagine you are in a Wal-Mart and there's a sign over a flat screen TV, "BIG SAVINGS!" So, you break every promise you made never to buy from that union-busting big box - and snatch up the $500 television. And when you're caught by your spouse, you say, "But, honey, look at the deal I got! It was TWO-PERCENT OFF! I saved us $10!"
But 2% is better than nothing, I suppose. Or is it?
The Big Pharma kingpins did not actually agree to cut their prices. Their promise with Obama is something a little oilier: they apparently promised that, over ten years, they will reduce the amount at which they would otherwise raise drug prices. Got that? In other words, the Obama deal locks in a doubling of drug costs, projected to rise over the period of "savings" from a quarter trillion dollars a year to half a trillion dollars a year. Minus that 2%.
We'll still get the shaft from Big Pharma, but Obama will have circumcised the increase.
And what did Obama give up in return for $80 billion? Chief drug lobbyist Billy Tauzin crowed that Obama agreed to dump his campaign pledge to bargain down prices for Medicare purchases. Furthermore, Obama's promise that we could buy cheap drugs from Canada simply went pffft!
What did that cost us? The New England Journal of Medicine notes that 13 European nations successfully regulate the price of drugs, reducing the average cost of name-brand prescription medicines by 35% to 55%. Obama gave that up for his 2%.
The Veterans Administration is able to push down the price it pays for patent medicine by 40% through bargaining power. George Bush stopped Medicare from bargaining for similar discounts, an insane ban that Obama said he'd overturn. But, once within Tauzin's hypnotic gaze, Obama agreed to lock in Bush's crazy and costly no-bargaining ban for the next decade.
What else went down in Obama's drug deal? To find out, I called C-SPAN to get a copy of the videotape of the meeting with the drug companies. I was surprised to find they didn't have such a tape despite the President's campaign promise, right there on CNN in January 2008, "These negotiations will be on C-SPAN."
This puzzled me. When Dick Cheney was caught having secret meetings with oil companies to discuss Bush's Energy Bill, we denounced the hugger-muggers as a case of foxes in the henhouse.
Cheney's secret meetings with lobbyists and industry bigshots were creepy and nasty and evil.
But the Obama crew's secret meetings with lobbyists and industry bigshots were, the President assures us, in the public interest.
We know Cheney's secret confabs were shady and corrupt because Cheney scowled out the side of his mouth.
Obama grins in your face.
See the difference?
The difference is 2%.
Re anne faith August 13th, 2009 12:08 pm
Palast's observations are razor sharp.
Two cents on the dollar ain't much change.
Damn Narco Terrorists!