Pelosi Says House Judiciary May Hold Hearings On Kucinich Impeachment Resolution

The greedy racist chronic underachieving fraudulent Pelosi intentionally drug her feet for years while this war criminal and illiterate damaged the nation and the nation's collective pyche beyond repair. These Republicans and Pelosi need to be imprisoned really, really, badly.

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Bastille Day July 14

"We announce to the world the true principles of our actions. We wish an order of things where all low and cruel passions are enchained by the laws; all beneficent and generous feelings awakened; where distinctions arise only from equality itself; where the citizen is subject to the magistrate; the magistrate to the people, the people to justice. Where industry is an adornment to the liberty that ennobles it and commerce the source of public wealth, not simply of monstrous riches for a few families. We wish to substitute in our country morality for egoism, probity for a mere sense of honor, principle for habit, duty for etiquette, the empire of reason for the tyranny of custom, contempt for vice for contempt for misfortune; the grandeur of man for the triviality of grand society. We wish, in a word, to fulfill the course of nature, to absolve providence from the long reign of tyranny and crime."

Maximilien Robespierre

Louisa-----you are not paying attention. It's a new disease not yet named by the psychiatric community DAADD---Democratic Apologist Attention Deficit Disorder. Start listening to others than the DNC, the DLC and the Corpstream media. You've been snoockered by the Dems time and time again. It's time to start seeing clearly. Please, for the sake of my beautiful grandchildren, "START PAYING ATTENTION!"

I completely agree with H2O's post. I refuse to give money to the Democratic Party, and I don't give to FDL/Blue America or any other group I cannot trust. I give to individual candidates I have researched and am sure are progressive.

Further, due to the perfidy of the so-called progressive groups and mags, I have resigned from Move-On, which is ridiculously complicit in the failures of the Dem Party, and canceled my subscription to the Nation Magazine. Other groups were too obviously mainstream Dem to join in the first place. Under the current publisher/editor, the Nation is not progressive but mainstream Dem. I am furious at both for claiming to be for progressive change, then ignoring Kucinich and endorsing a man who was obviously not only an empty suit, but like Iago, the completely ambitious man. His voting record (or lack of votes to hide his positions) was well known, so they have no excuse for what they did. A good contrast is The Progressive, which made no endorsement and continues to write insightful articles. [Milly Ivins we all still miss you!]

I contacted Cindy's Campaign and asked them if they had enough signatures to get onto the ballot and this is what they said:

"We are in the process of gathering the signatures and we will get enough.
We need 10198. Which means we actually need 14,000 because there is a 25% invalid rate to account for....

we currently have gotten 4500 which leaves us still needing about 9500. The date we can first turn in signatures is August 8th. We plan on turning in the 10198 by that date. We have until August 28th to get the balance if any needed after the dept of elections verifies what has been turned in.
We have an amazing volunteer base and have hired a few very dedicated pros at petitioning. It is a huge mountain to climb and we need all the help we can get but we are used to the battle and have climbed bigger mountains. Cindy will be on the ballot come November and we appreciate your support."

What's going on here? Any Republican reading some of these comments would chortle with glee. Hatred and anger against the sins, lies, and corruption of the Bush-Cheney administration seems to be diverted from it to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats and in some cases against Barack Obama. I too deplore the timidity of many Congressional Democrats and wholeheartedly support impeachment (Proceedings will be brought in the House where Democrats are in the majority and during the proceedings many of the crimes of the Bush administration will be revealed to those in the American public who haven't been paying close attention and bringing such charges may cause any future Bush-Cheney like administration to stop before it commits "high crimes and misdemeanors"; it's not vital that he be convicted in the Senate.) But, please God, don't let disunity among progressives lead to a third Bush term. Obama will have a huge task to undo the crimes of Bush and Cheney, but I believe he provides the best chance of doing so and of restoring peace and constitutional government.

Zaz said: "Dennis may need a food taster!"

Indeed he might. I wouldn't put it past the establishment hacks to arrange some sort of 'accident' for him like Paul Wellstone.

Dominick J: re. martial law threat: plausible, makes sense of hard-to-explain behaviors of Democrats in Congress and on the campaign trail, but tell us, what grapevine was that?

Pelosi taking impeachment off the table as she rose to apparently oxygen starved heights, was the biggest mistake of her life. There is no way of impeaching George Bush, but, she should have allowed it to go forward in the House...immediately. After all, what did this Congress change or accomplish pussy footing around with their thuggish colleagues on the Wrong side of the aisle?Were some great strides made towards undoing the crimes against the Constitution inflicted by Bush's army in the Congress? Was a single thing, UN DONE while the Dims held a majority in the HOUSE? No! She can argue truthfully, that there ain't no way to impeach Bush. The Senate, has no Democratic Majority for such a maneuver. Leiberman, and Cheney, destroy all possibility of a Majority, even if every Dim Senator voted in the affirmative. But, she should have proceeded with aggression, the minute she had the gavel in her hands.She shouldn't have sat and stood beaming in her fat necklaces and blinking in the intoxicating light of Power that memorable night in the House next to Cheney, with our Smug Cheater in Chief babbling his address to the nation.I agree her announcement is just political crapola, meaningless, and designed to divert Cindy Sheehan's supporters from dethroning the entitled Ms Pelosi. We must fill the congress with true patriots, and statesmen.And frankly, it's time to scuttle the office of the presidency; it's a hangover from the King Thing..and supports a less responsible approach to Democratic governance.Let these ineffectual courtiers retire to their estates, to invent decadent games on their own properties that won't affect the course of our lives, both here at home and around the world.

A crack in the wall:

Kucinich's introduction of Articles of Impeachment and Pelosi's comment that they might be discussed in the Judiciary Committee did not receive the usual total media blackout, but were covered or mentioned by AP, Yahoo, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, FOX, USA Today, and The Boston Globe. This story however apparently was not mentioned by CNN, NPR, the BBC, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Christian Science Monitor, LA Times or Miami Herald. Or much of anyone else in the MSM. So we still need to work to get the story out!

I've heard it from the grapevine that This Administration has threatedned Martial Law here in our country if our Senators don't toe the line, hence many of the strange proceedings come from our elected officials and Nancy, as a leader has been treading on eggs.

Go, Dennis! Keep it up!!!

I didn't forget about Enron and I won't let this drop either. I think enough of us are responding to the democrats' begging for funds with a clear message: Honor our wishes or go broke!
I'm not giving them a dime until they fix the fisa mess, get the impeachment process started, and back away from the corporatist views like retroactive immunity for telecoms. This is getting absurd. If they want to vote like republicans, let the republicans support them.

It's good to see that there appear to be fewer and fewer folks willing to argue for the "lesser of 2 evils (i.e. Obama) option". But there doesn't seem to be agreement on another option. Don't seem to see too many arguing for "just stay home", but those who express total cynicism for the entire system could be interpreted as arguing same. Those who argue for some sort of mass demonstration, e.g. stay home on 9/11, I think are deluding themselves. it would make a big sensation for a little while but would change nothing. Besides, for those of us in the healthcare field, e.g., would you really want nobody to show up at the hospital? And how could any of us agree to do that?

More and more people seem to be seriously willing to explore the "3rd Party" option, but even here there appears to be disagreement. Those who disagree with the concept per se seem to think that there is no point in voting for a candidate who "can't win". These folks, I think, seem to need instant gratification - if you can't win the THIS election, what's the point? Others argue that "sending a message" with such a vote IS important.

Those who do want to cast a vote for "the other" seem to also have some disagreement. Some would argue that it is important to stay within a Party, e.g. Green, structure, while others seem to be willing to look for an individual, whatever the party.

While appreciating all the arguments made, I tend to come down on the side of 1)voting (apathy is a killer and revolution is too messy and unpredictable), 2) for the individual, regardless of party, gender, color, etc. who stands, and preferably has a record of same, for what I believe in as evidenced by the programs and policies (s)he champions. This requires a little more work in the beginning, i.e. going beyond the "hope" and "change" rhetoric, as someone mentioned above, and actually examining what the candidate says and parsing her/his proposals. This made it so much easier for me to dismiss Obama at an early stage - his healthcare proposal clearly belied his stated "commitment" to "universal healthcare" and you could add his proposals on trade, Iraq, etc. Obama's right to point out that, if you listened carefully, he never promised anything you thought you were getting with him. He is so dangerous as a politician, because, like Clinton(Bill), he was able (and apparently still is, for many) to charm the socks off those who so want to believe. The odds against Kucinich were, admittedly, much higher, but worth it. The odds for Obama are better, but not worth the trouble. We seem to keep insisting on Pyrrhic "victories".

Sticking to the issues made it logical, nay, necessary, for me to vote Kucinich (in '04 and '08) in the Dem. primary, then vote for Nader ('96, '00, '04, '08probably). I agree that it would be nice to have a "Party" that one could, theoretically at least, reliably count on to produce candidates that we wouldn't have to vet so much, but, in the end, it is indeed the individual lawmaker who proposes, champions and votes on the legislation that affects our lives so profoundly. Allegiance to a party, any party, no matter how well intentioned, is dangerous. The Greens have no more right, per se, to my "progressive" vote than anyone else. And I, like another poster, am quite upset at their choice of a "safe state" strategy. Their fear of being labeled "spoilers" mimics the Dem, fear of being labeled "soft on (fill in the blank)". To me, a Party's refusal to stand up to power for principle out of fear of a media label does not bode well for its standing up for me when it really counts. However, I will indeed support an individual Green candidate who does stand for what I believe, which is why I support Howie Hawkins who's running for Congress in the 25th CD in NY. His record as a progressive is rock solid and he is the only one in the race who champions what we, as "progressives" say we need, not just for ourselves but for all the folk who live here (not to mention those in Iraq, e.g.) Which brings me to my last (for now) observation.

Another poster observed the obvious mismatch in the "progressive media" (PM) between the causes they say they espouse and the candidates they support. Besides the examples they mentioned above, I question the sincerity of "Blue America" attached to FireDogLake. They are openly raising money for Democrats even when they're not "the" progressive in the race. Again, referring to 25CD, NY, they feature Maffei, the Dem running against Hawkins. Hawkins is clearly the best choice for anyone who cares about healthcare, the war, etc. Maffei is a centrist Dem. Yet FDL/Blue America is facilitating Maffei's campaign, under the motto "we've got to elect more and better Democrats". Well, we elected more and "better" Dems in '06 and where did that get us? Granted, some of these folks may be for real, but having a "D" in front of their name means nothing to me. In the case of NY25, the "D" is NOT the best choice. If the PM wants to further truly progressive causes it needs to facilitate the campaigns of truly progressive candidates like Hawkins. We spend time savaging the MSM, justifiably so, but we need to start considering the fact that the PM, in many ways, may be our own worst enemy. In, at best, ignoring (e,g McKinney, Hawkins) or, at worst, trashing (e.g. Kucinich, Nader) progressive candidates, it is doing the MSM's hatchet job for them! We need to clean up our own house before we can face the big 'ole mean world out there.

So my challenges are to 1) put, not only our money, but our votes where our mouths are - let's face it withholding our money from Obama while giving him our vote is worthless, he doesn't NEED our money, corporate America is taking care of that quite nicely; 2) demand that "our" media do the same - that is one place where denying them our money might actually work.

Rebel Farmer is right. It's over. No more need for talk, votes, or any contact whatever with this regime. We will have to wait and watch. Opportunities always present themselves.

The Bush cabal were masters of theft (they called it profit). Fair enough, confusion always creates the opportunity for profit, but it can be the opportunity for anything.

Why are people so afraid to impeach this president? Throw the bum out!

If ipeachmenat hearings could be begun, in these next six months, it owuld benifeit efforts to dislodge the neo-cons/republican.globalists.

It would factor into the presidental race, to the the detriment of the GOP...Cool.

Nothing will come of them, but having the process in the MSM would be a Godsend.

We should all know by now that everything that goes on in this abysmal Congress is nothing more than a cheap charade designed to maintain and protect the designs and manipulations of this criminal administration. Yes, there are a few in Congress who still retain their integrity and are true to their oath of office but they could probably be counted on ten fingers. In case you're not aware of it, Bush has already pardoned himself and included it in the FISA "Swill" that was approved this week. He will walk away from office with complete immunity. There is no end in sight to the "War of Terror" on the American people!

Now that she knows impeachment will REALLY get nowhere, Bush's favorite whore Pelosi throws a bone to the retarded people on Democratic Underground. And the fools are as happy as puppies getting cookies.

Clinton had Monica, Bush has Pelosi. I bet the blowjobs are even sloppier.

Samson - >>Impeachment is just removal from office. You can't be 'pardoned' for that.<<

Not really, Impeachment is an accusation by Congress of wrongdoing which leads to a trial before Congress. The penalty could be removal from office, but not necessarily. The impeachment is the act of the accusation, not the removal from office.

Bush deserves a lot more than that. Unprecedented crimes call for unprecedented legal processes.

David Daniel said "As it stands, however, he has a fair chance of being convicted in the court of public opinion (a different jury that isn't as rigged)—advantaging Obama to take the reigns directly out of Bush's hands (which is the goal.)"

This statement demonstrates the reason why the outside world utterly despises the Democrats as well as the Republicans. You have a criminal (Bush) who has dragged the whole world into a bloody, immoral and criminal war (which will last for decades and expand to suck many more countries and peoples in)so that his oil (and other big business) mates can make huge amounts of money from the taxpayers funds and all you can do is say is that he should not be called to account for his contemptible criminal behaviour like the criminal he is, but that the behaviour should be used solely to help the Democrats get to power. What a contemptible position. Democrats who espouse this view (and Pelosi is, and always has been, of this view) are no better than the Republicans - beneath contempt.

Come on! A bit of intellectual rigour and honesty. Such Democrats don't really care about what Bush has done wrong - all they care about is getting power by any means - and those means include hypocritical noises about impeachment.

realveive says "Could it be that you're just too nice for the Speakership?".

Carmela Soprano was nice too. Lived off the mob, slept with the mob, knew what the mob was doing, but just had to live in her big house and have her eyebrows professionally groomed.

The juxtaposition of Dennis's continued fortitude, bravery, and TRUE patriotism (not the kind of patriotism that wearing a flag pin gets you, the kind that is about keeping the Constitution alive) against Obama's craven vote for the new FISA bill is just so depressing.

In December, when Dennis was still in the primaries, I participated in a Move On event (we delivered a petition of Rep. Maloney's office demanding that Congress insist it have a say in whether or not the US attacks Iran). Four of us were there, and afterwards we had breakfast and talked about the Democratic nomination. 2 of the 4 were for Obama. I asked why. They said "Change." I said "What change, specifically?" They said nothing, confused by my follow-up question. I meanwhile was actively participating in the Kucinich campaign, and talked about the rule of law, precedent, balance of powers, impeachment, as well as the myriad issues where DK is light years ahead of the rest (health care, environment, etc.). As usual, they thought I was an exotic nutcase, indulging my little eccentric whims.

When Dennis dropped out (largely, I think, to focus on holding the nomination for his seat in Congress, which, as I understand it, the Democratic Party was angling to pull away from him by backing other candidates), I tried to swallow the Obama Kool Aid, and did to the point that I had a heated 5 hour discussion with my mother, who was a fervent Hillary backer. I swallowed the Kool Aid that "leftist" publications like the Nation were serving up, saying that Obama is a "historic" candidate (even though the "values" of the magazine were closer to those of Kucinich). I was looking for that same "feeling" I get whenever I see the "I have a dream" speech...it's that "waiting for redemption" feeling that comes with religious faith.

Now I see that Hillary actually voted against the new FISA legislation, making me afraid to face my mother (I called Hillary the war-monger, Obama the progressive--ha!).

What I mainly see is a bunch of so-called liberals (the Nation, Tom Hayden, Move-On) too afraid to support a candidate who in his deeds truly supports and gives voice to causes they are supposedly passionate about.

I am trying to work on forgetting about the presidency totally, since apparently no one can ever become president anymore without becoming a mirror for the US's murderous, neo-liberal, military-industrial complex-dominated, imperialistic regime...This system is something bigger than any one person, and probably no one who succeeds within it could ever be the superhero/saint progressives are looking for. That's why DK is " laughable" as a presidential candidate: the machine took one (or two) tastes of him and spit him out like poison. Nader is a "hysteric" in the technical sense that he operates out of a desire not to win, but to expose the falsity of the "master" (the aforesaid US regime), which is satisfying to watch and necessary, but also won't put a dent in the system. Karl Marx was so threatening because he analyzed the system...focusing on how the capitalist machine worked without focusing on individuals...Progressive thought needs to stop focusing on individuals and worry about understanding the machine as astutely as possible so that its points of weakness can be exploited.

As many are saying this is just an appeasement. I also love the argument those opposed to pursuing impeachment give. That Bush as only as six months left in office so it does not make any since.
I guess they have never heard of justice and the rule of law.

With so little time left in this admin, this is just some dem PR for the next election. Mid 20s approval rate going to the teens won't make that big a difference anyway.

I preferred this story the first time I read it, in cartoon form. Where Pelosi was holding a football and this round-headed kid came running up to kick it ...

It's not in the hands of the elites. It's in the hands of the people. All the people gotta do is vote third party progressive candidates and both capitalist parties will be impeached on election day.

There is a sort of parallell universe in today's politics.

The candidates tell us what they think we want to hear, rather than what they think (or believe). Consequently, we can never know how they really think, until they win an election and show us by thier actions, that they lied. Then it's too late.

Meanwhile, the progressive community is divided on how we should vote. Do we hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils? This makes us as duplicitous as the politicians... Because we don't communicate with our votes what we really think either. This only stokes the media propaganda, and the egos of candidates, but does nothing for citizens except make us look like sheep.

I would like to see the ballot change completely. I would like to have the option of doing what the Senate does. Every voter should have the option of saying "Yea" or Nay" to the candidates. Then a voter could use their vote to take away a vote from someone dispicable, instead of voting for someone mediocre. This might have prevented Bush from winning a second term, with a landslide of "Nays". Instead all we heard were wimpering "Baahs".

For years we have voted for the lesser of two evils and this is where it ends up. I won't let them make me like THEM anymore. I will vote as my conscience dictates from now on, and show them what I REALLY think of them.

I totally agree with what Richard Paine July 11th, 2008 12:26 am said and have started an email campaign in hopes of organizing a national sick day movement to be scheduled for sept 11th 2008.

For this one day, stay home, do nothing, go nowhere and buy nothing. The day before pull all your money out of the banks and just be still for one day and see if those in office will not stand up and pay attention.

We the people have bought their BS about how they have the power to make OUR lives better, yet have somehow managed to make it worse with out right criminal and treasonous behavior. We are many they are few!

It is our money that they are using to turn around and screw us royally w/out even so much as a "please citizen may I?"

So everyone that is as disgusted with our govt as I am and wants to send a very loud and clear msg that we are no longer to be treated like children or worse yet out right ignored, start doing something by doing nothing at all!

Spread the word and let's see how many people we can get to stay home on Thursday, Sept. 11th, 2008!

"And I'm sure I will be calling people in Congress to support Dennis, and I'll be spreading the word, because a leader is nothing without us, and we can't let that happen. And because a leader is someone who draws us together, and it's only together that we can win." - Chris Horton

Right On!

I hope all you wizened cynics and smokehouse veterans are writing to Pelosi and Conyers, and CCing Dennis anyway demanding more than show trials. Actual impeachment hearings on the floor of the full House may be the only way to stop the Iran attack.

skysage -- Well, Pelosi certainly did know about illegal surveillance long before it was uncovered.

Puck Twain asks us for the moment to relish in how good it might feel if Impeachments and Prosecutions come about........and what dear friends, you have no moments or you can't imagine that it might happen. Well, if you can't or won't even imagine it, then you can damn well bet it will never happen. Have they stolen your imaginations as well as our nation. Where is it I live again? Who are we? What do we stand for?
When did we allow it to be taken away? and for God's sake How are 'we the people' going to get it back?
ChrisHorton says quit being victims, Revengegirl says quit playing with them...drop out and tell them why.
Let's imagine that we hold them to the rule of Law, the US Constitution and instead of being victims let's take a stand behind some solid leadership, let's quit playing with them and tell them why......even if for just one day, imagine what would happen just from the shear mass alone if 10-20-30% of those of us who are so fed up just stood up and did nothing for that one day.
If Government isn't going to do there jobs we don't do ours....we take the time to stand the Constitution and in the effort we take back our nation.......any takers, any 21st Century American Patriots willing to do our duty? Peterntomsbro@aol.com will reach me......isn't it time, at least to imagine?

@homeward-angel July 10th, 2008 9:32 pm

You have discovered the most annoying censorship on CD. You may well get a message to
say that your message is being moderated. Dont believe that. If it does get restored, it will be long after the thread is finished.

Ill say this just once ...

CD will not let you post more than 2 (two) links.

So if you have done your homework, and have links to verify the "facts", so that people dont just have to take your word for something, then your posting will be censored. Yes, that is a VERY usefull feature is it not.

You have a few options to get around this:-

1) Post on the website provided by your service provider, and provide a link to that. (This is not a very good option, because most people wont bother to click on the link.)

2) Put your posting on CD with the links replaced with "(see link #1)" in your posting, and provide one link at the end of your posting to your web page, indicating that that is where your links are, due to censorship. (This is probably the best option.)

3) Replace all the dots of your links with spaces, so that CD does not see it as a URL, e.g. "www wikipedia org / censorship html". (But this is not so good, because most people wont bother to investigate your link if they cant just click on it.)

4) Split your posting up into several postings with just too links each. (This is probably the second best option)

Pelosi is what's wrong with this body of stone-cold hearts who have no integrity. How namby pamby. We may consider it. So lukewarm. Where's the fire? The outrage? I am so hurt by this lack of principle, integrity and sense of duty to protect the American people. What a collassal collapse of will. I am sure that Feinstein is in Bush's pocket, and would not be surprised if Pelosi has done some hanky panky that prevents her from being a real seeker for the truth and willingness to go after the criminals in the White House.

Pelosi is bluffing, nothing will come of it. She's just trying to silence her critics for a few days, then when it's clear there will be no impeachment, as it's been clear for 6 years to anyone paying attention, we can Move On to more important business, like refunding the illegal war and voting for every last thing Bush wants while insisting we're opposing him. Pelosi will keep giving Bush a metaphorical blow job until January 2009.

Impeach Pelosi.

"Let them eat cake"

from down under..from where i see it..bring on cindy sheehan..how can you people claim to have a majority of democrats in both houses of government.when bush is making the rules?.i believe your green party are having there conference,at present..looking in from the outside .they seem to be the only way to go..p.s. unless you can break up the jewish lobby...

Get it off the f***ing table and on the floor for a vote if you want to be relevant again.

Where, oh where is Madame LaFarge????

OK Folks, let's get back to Earth.

I see a lot of anger that I can relate to, a lot of cynicism that would be easy to fall into, a lot of statements that I would agree with, but many of you are thinking like victims, not like warriors. You're reading these articles, you want to know what's really going on and you are ready to consider a much deeper and more honest interpretation of events than you find in the MSM, or you wouldn't be here. Right? But if you feel powerless, then all this information just hurts. Maybe it's time to start thinking about the next step.

The next step is to start looking at this information as tools, and to start thinking seriously about strategy, about how to seriously be a part of the fight to roll back the war machine, about digging in for the long struggle ahead. Because you know what? Feeling like a victim sucks!

So what does that look like? Well, one starting place is to recognize that if you haven't been a part of this fight from the perspective of a serious critic of the system, then you need some guidance and leadership from people who have and whom you can trust. This struggle is not simple and it is not new, it has a long history that goes back many generations. A lot of battles have been won and lost and a lot of hard lessons learned. Don't try to reinvent the wheel just yet.

And when we look around for leaders who have a proven record of standing up for the people and against the masters of the Empire in a principled way, leaders who are thinking strategically and have a vision for the future, who are fighting the good fight and trying to rally us it, whom do we have in Congress that tops Dennis Kucinich?

I'm sure I don't know why he just introduced one Article of Impeachment this time, or why Pelosi is starting to shift, but I'm sure it's about more than whether we can actually force Bush out of office in the remaining months. And I'm sure I will be calling people in Congress to support Dennis, and I'll be spreading the word, because a leader is nothing without us, and we can't let that happen. And because a leader is someone who draws us together, and it's only together that we can win.

I signed onto the Sheehan for Congress petition last weekend, and you know, I think I may send her some money, too.
And after I do, I'm calling my congress-groveller, pelosi, and tell her how much I'm sending.
Obviously it won't be an amount she'd consider signifigant, but if a lot of people like me do the same, maybe, just maybe, she'll get a clue.

The committee, then with the votes, will table the motion.

I called my Democrat representatives and told them I will not be voting for them, or Obama, in November because of the FISA debacle yesterday. I said; "Impeachment is NEVER off the table because it is in the Constitution, and so is the 4th Ammendment."
I called my internet provider to cancel my account today in protest of the vote on the FISA bill, and The United States government's violation the Constitution, and the complicity of the Corporation. I suggest everyone do the same - hurt the Corporate Fascists where it hurts the most - in their pocket. It took two hours for me to get through to a person at the Corporation. He had to ask why I was canceling so I told him that the United States, and the criminals in the Bush Administration, have committed crimes against the people of the United States and told him what is happening here. He was a lovely Canadian. When he asked at the end "Is there anything else I can do for you?" I asked if he could get me Canadian citizenship!

AWWWW...ALL YOU FUGGIN HYPOCRITES...

play the blame game all you want...all that crap about Bush and getting away with this an that...

Sheeeit..YOU paid his goddamn sallery..and YOU paid for every bullet used in the illegal war and STILL DO...you pay for the "War Criminals" the wiretaps..the torture..the WHOLE EVIL SHOW...all you..all paid for..BOUGHT an paid for..by..Y-O-U!

And yet?..AND YET? You Piss an Moan..Cry an Bitch..like it's all happening ina VACUUM..WELL..IT AINT! IT'S ALL BEING FINANCED BY AMERICAN TAX PAYERS...EVERY SECOND OF EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY EVIL NIGHTMARE...PAID FOR BY YOU NOISY HYPOCRITES!

Rationalize away..I can HEAR your excuses chugging away from my office..I really can..QUITE a RACKET!...all those rationalizations..all those...dumb ass reasons why it isn't REALLy your tax money paying for it all..and it would never REALLY make a difference if they had..NO money from you..yeah..riiiight!..Nooooo! they don't need the BILLIONS that you send in out of FEAR...nawwww..

Hey..quit TALKING..and actually DO something before you ant an rave about all this evil crap..is that possible..Ariel sharon? you out there..you seem to like the surviellance state...what are YOU doing..i don't think your in Iraq..are you?...oh..okay..whatever...it's all crap..all of it..until you take SOME action..you are just loud noise..JOIN OR DIE!

NAW!!!! Nancy finally read the poll that gave Congress a 9% approval rating---the lowest in history and Independents, as a group gave it only a 3% approval rating. Pelosi isn't a quick study but even the class dunce can see when they are in deep doodoo. GO CINDY!!!!!

I seem to remember that the only reason given by some congressman to proceed with impeachment was if Bush attacks Iran, maybe they know this is imminent.

I still say, do it anyway. As John Nichols points out, just the process of going through the impeachment motions will make it easier to do the same in the future.

Screw it. I no longer care what the US government, or any government, says, they have all lost their legitimacy a long time ago. Somebody wake me when the American people remember what a Liberty Tree is for. Our ancestors threw off the yoke of one government for far less cause than this one gives... too bad they allowed the elites to put a new one in its place. The last shots of the Revolutionary War should have been aimed at George Washington and Alexander Hamilton.

COMMON DREAMS HAS BEEN COMPROMISED!!! DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SUPPLY VIABLE LINKS!!! compromised!! new age fascism!!!!

Yeh.. Pelosi SUCKS.. but I am glad for Dennis... At least he will be on the record for justice!

forget the rest of the losers!

i really need to supply this link!!

cd or the powers that be are censoring me!!!!!

took that one, i guess it has problems with iraq war victims pictures or pages... very fcing strange to say the least!!!!

NSA-fuc you..

takes mainstream links. lets try anothers

www.waterpoweredcar.com

will not even take a

www.yahoo.com

www.msn.com
with another non-affiliated link!! this is fuct up!!!! HELP!!!!!!!

i am being censored!!!! help!!! i am being censored!!!!

trying to supply a viable link!!!! this has never happened before!!!

Addendum:

This is how Israel is the dog-wagging tail on the United States and determines US foreign policy in the region. No Senator, or Representative can be elected or re-elected unless they grovel before AIPAC ("American Israel Public Affairs Committee", formerly known as "American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs")

Impeachment is just a pawn on the chessboard. When it gets played, it's not for the obvious reason.

Like all pawns, it's destiny is to be sacrificed. But in doing so, it may distract the the opposing player from noticing another line of attack, or lure one of his capital pieces into a vulnerable position.

Remember...
1. Politics is a chess game, not an arm-wrestling match.
2. There are more than three branches of government.

What do you expect from a congress that's "on the take".
Example:
Israel lobbies for "foreign aid" in the low billions; then kicks a few million back to congress in the form of "campaign contributions" (bribes). No wonder Israel is the world's fourth largest nuclear power. Congress LOVES this system and the framers of the Constitution must be turning over in their graves!

The purpose of warrantless spying by the Executive Branch, is to spy (without record) on political rivals in congress, and dig up blackmailing information to use against them. there is no other worthwhile purpose! When the Dems get in power, they want to use this new power. Power like this was Richard Nixon's dream.

F that, they should have done this a loooonnnnnggggg time ago!

this is only a show; for the powers that be. this is Despicable,,,,,. hands down the worst show in political reverance ever..

By the time the hearings would have even been held, Bush and his enablers will be safe on the Bush family farm in Paraguay...

What a SUPREME JOKE! Only a sap would buy into the notion of Democrats attempting to hold Bush accountable after years of protecting him and giving him much more than he asks for as with the FISA capitulation.

This pure posturing and an election-year political bluff to give the spin-doctoring Daniel Davids of the world something to add to their discredited collection of twisted and convoluted rationales and assorted Democratic Party apologies.

Only a moron would buy the idea of trying to impeach Bush a few months before he leaves office and well after he's gotten away with murder. The Democratic Party has blocked all efforts to impeach Bush for years and now this despicable ploy. Can the Democrats possibly sink any lower? Don't hold your breath.

The Democrats look so weak, pathetic and impotent it is almost sad. Democrats should just fold their tattered tents and join the Greens or some other 3rd party. It's time to put them out of their misery.

Who knows what evil lurks in the criminal minds of Pelosi and Conyers. I would trust Pee Wee Herman more than Pelosi or Conyers.

RIGHT ON Nietzsche.
I just wish the witch Replublicrat would get ALL these posts.
It seems the only people who had a voice in our government on important issues have been the Republicans. This doesn't even seem like a two party system any more other than in name only.

Can you say TREASON?
Can you say WAR CRIMINALS?
Can you say FIXED VOTING?

SPEAK!

First, with reference to Claudius (1:55pm); a "snipe hunt"' haven't heard that expression in a long time, and so applicable here. Thanx

Dennis Kucinich could be star pitcher for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays or the Chicago Cubs and it wouldn't matter. He hasn't got an infield behind him.

Pelosi to Conyer to Reid; a great double-play combination? Sorry, the other team always ends up safe on all the bases and there's still NO OUTS.

This bunch of clowns couldn't fill a stadium on Bobble-Head Night.

My humblest apologies to devotees of our National Pastime for this horrible analogy.

First, with reference to Claudius (1:55pm); a "snipe hunt"' haven't heard that expression in a long time, and so applicable here. Thanx

Dennis Kucinich could be star pitcher for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays or the Chicago Cubs and it wouldn't matter. He hasn't got an infield behind him.

Pelosi to Conyer to Reid; a great double-play combination? Sorry, the other team always ends up safe on all the bases and there's still NO OUTS.

This bunch of clowns couldn't fill a stadium on Bobble-Head Night.

My humblest apologies to devotees of our National Pastime for this horrible analogy.

If I were DK I would sure as hell NEVER board a small plane, or any plane for the rest of my life!

"This is a Judiciary Committee matter, and I believe we will see some attention being paid to it by the Judiciary Committee," Pelosi told reporters.

I think many have misconstrued Pelosi's intent. It isn't to give the subject of Kucinich's impeachment resolution the attention it deserves, but to give attention to the subject of sanctioning Kucinich for having the gall to buck the party leadership. How else can she deal with pesky underlings who try to do the constitutionally correct thing?

Nancy Puk-losi here in San Francisco, her district, outraged at anti-war protesting outside her $2,000,000 home...man was she outraged at the protesters, but no outrage with the war, torture, insane debt or destroying the fourth amendment!

i only hope the iraqis get to hear about this............albeit the good it will do them for the suffering they have experienced. mr. kucinich will at least be seen to be a hopeful redeemer for the atrocities placed upon them.

Get off the table Nancy. This quarter's for beer.

"may hold hearings "

LOL! "May", indeed!

I hope everyone who is already pissed at Pelosi has, or will be, taking a look at donating to Cindy Sheehan's congressional campaign?

I have no doubt that Pelosi has a bit of a scare from Cindy Sheehan's campaign. So she is trying to confuse us a bit about what a useless piece of ____ she has been.

The usual see-through crap. Pelosi's performance/distraction is just one more piece of "keep the moron masses entertained."

This is just another demeaning move on the part of Ms. Pelosi. What a disgrace.

off22 -- If you love the platform, join the Greens and try to influence them yourself. Help them evolve in the right direction.

Come on now, before you started puking your guts out...for a moment, just one moment you considered and relished what impeachment would mean.

I mean how much shit can a human take? With Addington's direct insults and now Rove's new contribution of squat piled on, it's about what, a foot over Conyers head?

And now with everyone no longer able to deny the insane ones are aiming at multiple uranium containing targets with double doses of 5,000 lb. du coated bombs...well, in the final analysis they are human are they not? Make it easy and just focus on Conyers and Pelosi for the moment with that question.

Can you not allow the glories of what impeachment would mean as a National conversation to enter your consciousness and energize the wagging of your tongue for what could be the greatest human conversation in the West since the Constitutional Convention? Sure you can:

Impeach Bush/Cheney: for the Troops gone and the Troops in harms way, for the innocence of civil life, for justice and the rule of law, for the families, co-workers and friends of the 400,000 and counting with PTSD - for the sanctity of the Earth itself - impeach Bush/Cheney!

Pelosi announces: "Monkey may fly out of my ...." :-)

Ralph Nader is a legend. I have nothing against Ms. McKinney, but we are never going to win, all we can hope to do is throw the biggest cinder we can into Obama's eye. Nader is a bigger cinder. With his Rep as a Spoiler from the stolen election of 2000, you have people that hate him and ofcourse many who admire him. Most people seem to know his name but not much about him, faint praise, but that recognition alone puts him miles ahead of Ms. McKinney. Ralph seems to be closing in on the signitures necessary to get on the ballot in many states. I wonder how many of those signitures are Republicans?

As sophisticated as all of you are, I'm always surprised that in these discussions regarding Cindy Sheehan or any other good candidate, that ballot fraud is not taken into account. In those races that the fixers choose, only their candidates will be elected.

I will send Cindy money so she has a better ability to get the word out, but the counting software is "proprietary" and secret, therefore crooked, because it is never checked by any elected or party official for accuracy or bias--no copies are escrowed by a neutral third party. That is in CA Code, but not funded, so not enforced. SF County counted 12,000 more ballots than there were voters who voted either at the polls or absentee in 1994. The same can be done this year, too, because CA law does not require any reconciliation or accountability by the elections officers. There is nothing in the Elections Code nor the Criminal Code that makes anything they do a crime, so they have complete impunity to do what they please (or are paid to do.)

The rest of the state and nation are similarly fixed. We will get the president and other candidates that they want, no matter whom we vote for, until we rise up and demand a system with integrity in every county in the nation.

It's heartening to see how cynical everyone is here. If there's any degree of earnestness at all in this "bone," I'd love to see Vincent Bugliosi make the case, as he has in his latest book. But as others have mentioned, ain't nuthin' going to happen. Hell, they just killed the Fourth Amendment and gave all past present and future crooks a full pardon, soooo....

But I appreciate the empty gesture, on some level.

HOPE?

A foot in the door?

A glimmer if light at the end of a long dark tunnel?

Pelosi trying to save her position?

Does it matter? See this as a opportunity to put some momentum behind Kucinich's efforts. Write (pen and paper not email) Pelosi's office and tell her that you support her effort and you are pleased that she is taking this step. Politicians are self conscious they need people to tell them they are doing the right thing.

Im with MendoChuck @1:52pm

This is a total distraction from the FISA vote. Do not allow your party to enable a criminal piece of legislation, only to pander to your base of naive progressives who near-blindly support your campaign by attempting to look like you are policing the most criminal administration in the history of the US--and thats saying something.

Samson--Just make sure the Greens stop the whole "safe state" business. Get out there and campaign. If Obama can't get enough of Ohio because he is a corporate shill ... its his own damn fault. I love the Greens platform, but my goodness they have been scared it seems to be labeled spoilers. David Cobb was a disaster, with an appease the Dems campaign. Not for me.

And Samson@5:28--right on. Pelosi does not even have to offer a bill if she does not want to. Huge, huge liar. "we dont have the votes". YOU DONT NEED THE VOTES. When Dems run as Republicans...the real thing wins every time...(who said that again?)

Why hasn't anyone charged Pelosi with obstruction of justice yet? At the least, she's shows herself as unsuitable for the job and responsibilities that she holds. Her earlier statement that impeachment isn't on the table makes it clear that her failure is due to conflict of interest, and she's impeding the mechanisms of justice.

"I'm writing in Kucinich for POTUS"

What an even bigger complete waste of a vote. See my posts above about why this is so friggin stupid.

Read the fine print. Madam Pelosi has given permission to 'hold hearings'. That's it.

What the Democrats want is some headlines for their campaign. So sure, they'll hold hearings.

Just don't read this into thinking that they'll do anything beyond that.

And by the way, note that this illustrates just how much power the Speaker really has. They've always had a great deal of control over what happens in the House. Remember this the next time Pelosi is trying to run the con that she can't control things.

For instance, she's been casting symbolic NO votes against war funding. But note carefully that if she wanted to block the committee from even holding hearings on the war funding bill she could. She could stop a war funding bill from getting to the floor at all for a vote if she wanted. So when you see the lying @#@## Pelosi pretending that she's opposed to a war funding bill that she's just carefully shepparded through committee and onto the floor for a vote, recognize it as the lie it is.

Of course, the good thing about Mr. Nader is that anyone the evil Democrats hate that badly must be doing something right!

zeldon,

Cindy Sheehan's campaign still is alive. If you know of anyone who lives in her district, she needs some more signatures to get her name on the ballot. If you have the financial means, her campaign could use more contributions. She still is very much in the contest to defeat Pelosi.

Impeachment is just removal from office. You can't be 'pardoned' for that.

Any criminal trials would have to take place after he's out of office.

Note, no way an Obama administration would prosecute anything, so unless we elect McKinney or Nader or someone like that, its kind of a silly point to discuss. We know the Dems have been protecting Bush and Cheney repeatedly. From impeachment, by pass retroactive immunitys for illegal spying and torture, etc.

If you want to see Bush prosecuted, DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!

www.cindyforcongress.org

Its alive and well. She was out here last night posting about it.

BTW, today's her birthday. Say happy birthday to her!

One note ... running three or more opposition campaigns is suicidally stupid in a winner-take-all election system. With opposition votes split between McKinney (G), Nader (I) and Barr(L), winning is even further out of reach.

couldnt agree more with most of what is written here.

is sheehan's campaign still alive?
i have gotten no response from them.

that would be a place to put one's time and money.

pelosi's constituents should be ready for
a change after all the bs from nancy.

at this point, time and money for obama is
wasteful, even if you plan to vote for him.

which i do not.

I like Ralph Nader. I've worked on his other campaigns and had the pleasure to briefly meet him. He is certainly a man of principle.

But I'll say this. The most important thing we need to do is to start building our own movement and a political party to represent us. So there are also some strong reasons to support Cynthia McKinney and the Green Party over Mr. Nader's run.

For one thing, as a party gets certain levels of votes, it gets automatic ballot access in certain states. So a vote for Ms. McKinney and the Green Party helps create a new party on the ballot. A vote for an independent campaign by Mr. Nader does not do this.

Also, if the Green Party were to get 5% of the vote nationwide, they'd get qualification for Federal matching funds next election. That means contributions to the Green Party's candidate four years from now would be DOUBLED by matching federal money. This can be millions of dollars for a campaign. And its also a threshold where a party starts to get taken more seriously.

So, while I have tremendous respect for Mr. Nader, there are some strong reasons to support the Green Party instead.

Dennis may need a food taster!

gatormouth July 10th, 2008 3:55 pm said,
"Now if the impeachment hearing can be kept active until January Bush won't be able to pass out