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The 13 People Who Made Torture Possible
The Bush administration's Torture 13. They authorized it, they decided how to implement it, and they crafted the legal fig leaf to justify it.
On April 16, the Obama administration released four memos that were used to authorize torture in interrogations during the Bush administration. When President Obama released the memos, he said, "It is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution."
Yet 13 key people in the Bush administration cannot claim they relied on the memos from the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel. Some of the 13 manipulated the federal bureaucracy and the legal process to "preauthorize" torture in the days after 9/11. Others helped implement torture, and still others helped write the memos that provided the Bush administration with a legal fig leaf after torture had already begun.
The Torture 13 exploited the federal bureaucracy to establish a torture regime in two ways. First, they based the enhanced interrogation techniques on techniques used in the U.S. military's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) program. The program -- which subjects volunteers from the armed services to simulated hostile capture situations -- trains servicemen and -women to withstand coercion well enough to avoid making false confessions if captured. Two retired SERE psychologists contracted with the government to "reverse-engineer" these techniques to use in detainee interrogations.
The Torture 13 also abused the legal review process in the Department of Justice in order to provide permission for torture. The DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) played a crucial role. OLC provides interpretations on how laws apply to the executive branch. On issues where the law is unclear, like national security, OLC opinions can set the boundary for "legal" activity for executive branch employees. As Jack Goldsmith, OLC head from 2003 to 2004, explains it, "One consequence of [OLC's] power to interpret the law is the power to bestow on government officials what is effectively an advance pardon for actions taken at the edges of vague criminal statutes." OLC has the power, Goldsmith continues, to dispense "get-out-of-jail-free cards." The Torture 13 exploited this power by collaborating on a series of OLC opinions that repeatedly gave U.S. officials such a "get-out-of-jail-free card" for torturing.
Between 9/11 and the end of 2002, the Torture 13 decided to torture, then reverse-engineered the techniques, and then crafted the legal cover. Here's who they are and what they did:
1. Dick Cheney, vice president (2001-2009)
On the morning of 9/11, after the evacuation of the White House, Dick Cheney summoned his legal counsel, David Addington, to return to work. The two had worked together for years. In the 1980s, when Cheney was a congressman from Wyoming and Addington a staff attorney to another congressman, Cheney and Addington argued that in Iran-Contra, the president could ignore congressional guidance on foreign policy matters. Between 1989 and 1992, when Dick Cheney was the elder George Bush's secretary of defense, Addington served as his counsel. He and Cheney saved the only known copies of abusive interrogation technique manuals taught at the School of the Americas. Now, on the morning of 9/11, they worked together to plot an expansive grab of executive power that they claimed was the correct response to the terrorist threat. Within two weeks, they had gotten a memo asserting almost unlimited power for the president as "the sole organ of the Nation in its foreign relations," to respond to the terrorist attacks. As part of that expansive view of executive power, Cheney and Addington would argue that domestic and international laws prohibiting torture and abuse could not prevent the president from authorizing harsh treatment of detainees in the war against terror.
But Cheney and Addington also fought bureaucratically to construct this torture program. Cheney led the way by controlling who got access to President Bush -- and making sure his own views preempted others'. Each time the torture program got into trouble as it spread around the globe, Cheney intervened to ward off legal threats and limits, by badgering the CIA's inspector general when he reported many problems with the interrogation program, and by lobbying Congress to legally protect those who had tortured.
Most shockingly, Cheney is reported to have ordered torture himself, even after interrogators believed detainees were cooperative. Since the 2002 OLC memo known as "Bybee Two" that authorizes torture premises its authorization for torture on the assertion that "the interrogation team is certain that" the detainee "has additional information he refuses to divulge," Cheney appears to have ordered torture that was illegal even under the spurious guidelines of the memo.
2. David Addington, counsel to the vice president (2001-2005), chief of staff to the vice president (2005-2009)
David Addington championed the fight to argue that the president -- in his role as commander in chief -- could not be bound by any law, including those prohibiting torture. He did so in two ways. He advised the lawyers drawing up the legal opinions that justified torture. In particular, he ran a "War Council" with Jim Haynes, John Yoo, John Rizzo and Alberto Gonzales (see all four below) and other trusted lawyers, which crafted and executed many of the legal approaches to the war on terror together.In addition, Addington and Cheney wielded bureaucratic carrots and sticks -- notably by giving or withholding promotions for lawyers who supported these illegal policies. When Jack Goldsmith withdrew a number of OLC memos because of the legal problems in them, Addington was the sole administration lawyer who defended them. Addington's close bureaucratic control over the legal analysis process shows he was unwilling to let the lawyers give the administration a "good faith" assessment of the laws prohibiting torture.
3. Alberto Gonzales, White House counsel (2001-2005), and attorney general (2005-2008)
As White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales was nominally in charge of representing the president's views on legal issues, including national security issues. In that role, Gonzales wrote and reviewed a number of the legal opinions that attempted to immunize torture. Most important, in a Jan. 25, 2002, opinion reportedly written with David Addington, Gonzales paved the way for exempting al-Qaida detainees from the Geneva Conventions. His memo claimed the "new kind of war" represented by the war against al-Qaida "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners." In a signal that Gonzales and Addington adopted that position to immunize torture, Gonzales argued that one advantage of not applying the Geneva Convention to al-Qaida would "substantially reduce the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act." The memo even specifically foresaw the possibility of independent counsels' prosecuting acts against detainees.
4. James Mitchell, consultant
Even while Addington, Gonzales and the lawyers were beginning to build the legal framework for torture, a couple of military psychologists were laying out the techniques the military would use. James Mitchell, a retired military psychologist, had been a leading expert in the military's SERE program. In December 2001, with his partner, Bruce Jessen, Mitchell reverse-engineered SERE techniques to be used to interrogate detainees. Then, in the spring of 2002, before OLC gave official legal approval to torture, Mitchell oversaw Abu Zubaydah's interrogation. An FBI agent on the scene describes Mitchell overseeing the use of "borderline torture." And after OLC approved waterboarding, Mitchell oversaw its use in ways that exceeded the guidelines in the OLC memo. Under Mitchell's guidance, interrogators used the waterboard with "far greater frequency than initially indicated" -- a total of 183 times in a month for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and 83 times in a month for Abu Zubaydah.
5. George Tenet, director of Central Intelligence (1997-2004)
As director of the CIA during the early years of the war against al-Qaida, Tenet had ultimate management responsibility for the CIA's program of capturing, detaining and interrogating suspected al-Qaida members and briefed top Cabinet members on those techniques. Published reports say Tenet approved every detail of the interrogation plans: "Any change in the plan -- even if an extra day of a certain treatment was added -- was signed off on by the Director." It was under Tenet's leadership that Mitchell and Jessen's SERE techniques were applied to the administration's first allegedly high-value al-Qaida prisoner, Abu Zubaydah. After approval of the harsh techniques, CIA headquarters ordered Abu Zubaydah to be waterboarded even though onsite interrogators believed Zubaydah was "compliant." Since the Bybee Two memo authorizing torture required that interrogators believe the detainee had further information that could only be gained by using torture, this additional use of the waterboard was clearly illegal according to the memo.
6. Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor (2001-2005), secretary of state (2005-2008)
As national security advisor to President Bush, Rice coordinated much of the administration's internal debate over interrogation policies. She approved (she now says she "conveyed the authorization") for the first known officially sanctioned use of torture -- the CIA's interrogation of Abu Zubaydah -- on July 17, 2002. This approval was given after the torture of Zubaydah had begun, and before receiving a legal OK from the OLC. The approval from the OLC was given orally in late July and in written form on Aug. 1, 2002. Rice's approval or "convey[ance] of authorization" led directly to the intensified torture of Zubaydah.
7. John Yoo, deputy assistant attorney general, Office of Legal Counsel (2001-2003)
As deputy assistant attorney general of OLC focusing on national security for the first year and a half after 9/11, Yoo drafted many of the memos that would establish the torture regime, starting with the opinion claiming virtually unlimited power for the president in times of war. In the early months of 2002, he started working with Addington and others to draft two key memos authorizing torture: Bybee One (providing legal cover for torture) and Bybee Two (describing the techniques that could be used), both dated Aug. 1, 2002. He also helped draft a similar memo approving harsh techniques for the military completed on March 14, 2003, and even a memo eviscerating Fourth Amendment protections in the United States. The Bybee One and DOD memos argue that "necessity" or "self-defense" might be used as defenses against prosecution, even though the United Nations Convention Against Torture explicitly states that "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war ... may be invoked as a justification of torture." Bybee Two, listing the techniques the CIA could use in interrogation, was premised on hotly debated assumptions. For example, the memo presumed that Abu Zubaydah was uncooperative, and had actionable intelligence that could only be gotten through harsh techniques. Yet Zubaydah had already cooperated with the FBI. The memo claimed Zubaydah was mentally and physically fit to be waterboarded, even though Zubaydah had had head and recent gunshot injuries. As Jack Goldsmith described Yoo's opinions, they "could be interpreted as if they were designed to confer immunity for bad acts." In all of his torture memos, Yoo ignored key precedents relating both specifically to waterboarding and to separation of powers.
8. Jay Bybee, assistant attorney general, Office of Legal Counsel (2001-2003)
As head of the OLC when the first torture memos were approved, Bybee signed the memos named after him that John Yoo drafted. At the time, the White House knew that Bybee wanted an appointment as a Circuit Court judge; after signing his name to memos supporting torture, he received such an appointment. Of particular concern is the timing of Bybee's approval of the torture techniques. He first approved some techniques on July 24, 2002. The next day, Jim Haynes, the Defense Department's general counsel, ordered the SERE unit of DOD to collect information including details on waterboarding. While the record is contradictory on whether Haynes or CIA General Counsel John Rizzo gave that information to OLC, on the day they did so, OLC approved waterboarding. One of the documents in that packet identified these actions as torture, and stated that torture often produced unreliable results.9. William "Jim" Haynes, Defense Department general counsel (2001-2008)
As general counsel of the Defense Department, Jim Haynes oversaw the legal analysis of interrogation techniques to be used with military detainees. Very early on, he worked as a broker between SERE professionals and the CIA. His office first asked for information on "exploiting" detainees in December 2001, which is when James Mitchell is first known to have worked on interrogation plans. And later, in July 2002, when CIA was already using torture with Abu Zubaydah but needed scientific cover before OLC would approve waterboarding, Haynes ordered the SERE team to produce such information immediately.Later Haynes played a key role in making sure some of the techniques were adopted, with little review, by the military. He was thus crucial to the migration of torture to Guantánamo and then Iraq. In September 2002, Haynes participated in a key visit to Guantánamo (along with Addington and other lawyers) that coincided with requests from DOD interrogators there for some of the same techniques used by the CIA.
Haynes ignored repeated warnings from within the armed services about the techniques, including statements that the techniques "may violate torture statute" and "cross the line of 'humane' treatment." In October 2002, when the legal counsel for the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff attempted to conduct a thorough legal review of the techniques, Haynes ordered her to stop, because "people were going to see" the objections that some in the military had raised. On Nov. 27, 2002, Haynes recommended that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorize many of the requested techniques, including stress positions, hooding, the removal of clothing, and the use of dogs -- the same techniques that showed up later in the abuse at Abu Ghraib.
10. Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defense (2001-2006)
As secretary of defense, Rumsfeld signed off on interrogation methods used in the military, notably for Abu Ghraib, Bagram Air Force Base and Guantánamo Bay. With this approval, the use of torture would move from the CIA to the military. A recent bipartisan Senate report concluded that "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's authorization of interrogation techniques at Guantánamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there." Rumsfeld personally approved techniques including the use of phobias (dogs), forced nudity and stress positions on Dec. 2, 2002, signing a one-page memo prepared for him by Haynes. These techniques were among those deemed torture in the Charles Graner case and the case of "20th hijacker" Mohammed al-Qahtani. Rumsfeld also personally authorized an interrogation plan for Moahmedou Ould Slahi on Aug. 13, 2003; the plan used many of the same techniques as had been used with al-Qahtani, including sensory deprivation and "sleep adjustment." And through it all, Rumsfeld maintained a disdainful view on these techniques, at one point quipping on a memo approving harsh techniques, "I stand for eight to 10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to four hours?"
11. John Rizzo, CIA deputy general counsel (2002-2004), acting general counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency (2001-2002, 2004-present)
As deputy general counsel and then acting general counsel for the CIA, John Rizzo's name appears on all of the known OLC opinions on torture for the CIA. For the Bybee Two memo, Rizzo provided a number of factually contested pieces of information to OLC -- notably, that Abu Zubaydah was uncooperative and physically and mentally fit enough to withstand waterboarding and other enhanced techniques. In addition, Rizzo provided a description of waterboarding using one standard, while the OLC opinion described a more moderate standard. Significantly, the description of waterboarding submitted to OLC came from the Defense Department, even though NSC had excluded DOD from discussions on the memo. Along with the description of waterboarding and other techniques, Rizzo also provided a document that called enhanced methods "torture" and deemed them unreliable -- yet even with this warning, Rizzo still advocated for the CIA to get permission to use those techniques.
12. Steven Bradbury, principal deputy assistant attorney general, OLC (2004), acting assistant attorney general, OLC (2005-2009)
In 2004, the CIA's inspector general wrote a report concluding that the CIA's interrogation program might violate the Convention Against Torture. It fell to Acting Assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury to write three memos in May 2005 that would dismiss the concerns the IG Report raised -- in effect, to affirm the OLC's 2002 memos legitimizing torture. Bradbury's memos noted the ways in which prior torture had exceeded the Bybee Two memo: the 183 uses of the waterboard for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in one month, the gallon and a half used in waterboarding, the 20 to 30 times a detainee is thrown agains the wall, the 11 days a detainee had been made to stay awake, the extra sessions of waterboarding ordered from CIA headquarters even after local interrogators deemed Abu Zubaydah to be fully compliant. Yet Bradbury does not consider it torture. He notes the CIA's doctors' cautions about the combination of using the waterboard with a physically fatigued detainee, yet in a separate memo approves the use of sleep deprivation and waterboading in tandem. He repeatedly concedes that the CIA's interrogation techniques as actually implemented exceeded the SERE techniques, yet repeatedly points to the connection to SERE to argue the methods must be legal. And as with the Bybee One memo, Bradbury resorts to precisely the kind of appeal to exceptional circumstances -- "used only as necessary to protect against grave threats" -- to distinguish U.S. interrogation techniques from the torture it so closely resembles around the world.
13. George W. Bush, president (2001-2009)
While President Bush maintained some distance from the torture for years -- Cheney describes him "basically" authorizing it -- he served as the chief propagandist about its efficacy and necessity. Most notably, on Sept. 6, 2006, when Bush first confessed to the program, Bush repeated the claims made to support the Bybee Two memo: that Abu Zubaydah wouldn't talk except by using torture. And in 2006, after the CIA's own inspector general had raised problems with the program, after Steven Bradbury had admitted all the ways that the torture program exceeded guidelines, Bush still claimed it was legal.
"[They] were designed to be safe, to comply with our laws, our Constitution and our treaty obligations. The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively, and determined them to be lawful."
With this statement, the deceptions and bureaucratic games all came full circle. After all, it was Bush who, on Feb. 7, 2002, had declared the Geneva Conventions wouldn't apply (a view the Supreme Court ultimately rejected).
Bush's inaction in torture is as important as his actions. Bush failed to fulfill legal obligations to notify Congress of the torture program. A Senate Intelligence timeline on the torture program makes clear that Congress was not briefed on the techniques used in the torture program until after Abu Zubaydah had already been waterboarded. And in a 2003 letter, then House Intelligence ranking member Jane Harman shows that she had not yet seen evidence that Bush had signed off on this policy. This suggests President Bush did not provide the legally required notice to Congress, violating National Security Decisions Directive-286. What Bush did not say is as legally important as what he did say.
Yet, ultimately, Bush and whatever approval he gave the program is at the center of the administration's embrace of torture. Condoleezza Rice recently said, "By definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations in the Convention Against Torture." While Rice has tried to reframe her statement, it uses the same logic used by John Yoo and David Addington to justify the program, the shocking claim that international and domestic laws cannot bind the president in times of war. Bush's close allies still insist if he authorized it, it couldn't be torture.
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Show AllMay they all meet their just destiny.....and SOON!......I want to watch.
Shouldn't we be starting a list of people who enabled the torture (Pelosi) and are now enabling future torture (Obama) ?
I do not understand all the talk about needing an investigation. The evidence has been available from the start and now Marcie has organized for anyone with the capacity to PROSECUTE !
Neither do I.
No. Not just 13 people made torture possible: this is not a case of bad apples. Every single person who performed torture, and every single person who supported it, including the near majority of citizens polled who thought it justified, as well as those who argued for its acceptability (like Alan Dershowitz) - they also made torture possible. In fact their willingness to be involved made torture inevitable. The rot runs far further and the responsibility is far more widely spread than this article admits.
I totally agree with Briar. Be sure to add Jay Rockefeller and Nancy Pelosi to the list along with the others who got briefings and did nothing...and now are changing their stories one lie at a time. Add all those who voted over and over to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq..which included the funding to continue the torture at GITMO. Be sure to add Obama and Hillary Clinton to the list...they are also responsible.
Agree with Briar. A trainload of torture advocates & practitioners. A long train.
This is correct.
I might even go MUCH further:
it is really a general CULTURAL MILIEU -- participated IN by americans themselves , in one way or another -- of a Myth of "american exceptionalism" that ALLOWS such things to be seeded, then germinate, then take root, then grow shoots, then SPREAD tentacles, and influence,and finally
an OPEN conviction that such things are "tolerable for the sake of national security -- because we are AMERICA".
THEN the unthinkable becomes policy .
it is not different from the MYTHOLOGY of "american goodness beyond that of other nations" that allows the exploitative , war-inducing, resource GRABBING, Unfair economic practices, manipulative politics and economics to all be
"patriotically" Ennobled
and WAR and ITS components -- such as TORTURE and SECRECY and LIES and Orwellian Language (same as in the Business Language America wallows in : "customer representative"....CLERK !!!....."executive assistant" = SECRETARY!!!, "BLUE SKIES INITIATIVE" == POLLUTE SOME MORE, "WAR on Terror" -- INVADING COUNTRIES TO STEAL their resources, "extraordinary rendition" -- KIDNAPPING, "enhanced interrogation" =- TORTURE, etc."
all to be ACCEPTED as "wise" and "great" because
above ALL -- it is AMERICAN.
therefore -- whether there are indeed tens of millions of good hearted, conscientious americans , the GENERAL CULTURAL NORMS are SUCH that
this is just a REFLECTION in its most evil and barbaric practices of whatMERICA ITSELF , which, through a generations-long growing orgy of self-glorification about "everything american" and "if it's the greatER KIND of goodness it MUSt be american", has by "cultural" mythology arrived or unfolded .....the JUSTIFICATIONS of "being america" that are seen in these very barbarisms of
WAR, EXPLOITATION, TORTURE
for "preservation and safety and propagation of everything that is GOOD -- " which is "america".
amazing how the "EXCEPTIONAL GOODNESS" mythology has itself become the WOMB , the cradle and nursery of everything that is the OPPOSITE of what even americans like to CLAIM as the very definition of "goodness" -- being "american".
you know -- your statement "this is not a case of bad apples" ....
we are all familiar with from the "a few bad apples in a barrel"....meaning to say that the BARREL of apples is NOT really bad...."just a few"......
it reminds me of a remark by a fine, very erudite and historically extemely knowledgeable writer for Asiatimesonline, Henry CK Liu
.
in one of his numerous essays -- detailing the history of Monetarism, Dollar hegemony and imperialism...(very detailed including actual dates, persons, treaties through the centuries that wall street will NOT want to be known) --
he described US Finance, Monetarism this way:
"the Lords of the Universe of Capitalism claimed the triumph and excuse the repeated "boom and bust" periods as just a case of a few bad apples in the barrel....but the fact is...it is the BARREL of Apples that is ROTTEN"
this is the case here similarly.
what you have is perhaps a "few bad men" and "women", and yes, they are the "movers" of events through decisions they were empowered with ....however those positions came to them...
but ....in teh final analysis ....they are the RESULT of a cultural evolution , step by gradual step, always using the sense of "destiny of america" through its "glorious victories" such as world war 2 as the "world's leading savior" (even if it was REALLY RUSSIA that dealt HITLER the CRIPPLING blows and sacrified 25 million of her own people compared to 3 million americans, regardless of what ELSE russia became afterwards, itself ALSO intimately LINKED as a protectionist response to the RISING IMPERIALISM of the USA itself ) based on COMMONLY HELD and ACCEPTED norms of exceptionalism and .
these are the real nurseries of what comes up.
and now - we even hear of the "Cover Page" Bibical Quotes of Rumsfeld to Bush (likely a manipulative tactic to appeal to Bush's self-deluded religiosity and sense of grandeur) --
and , in addition to proving what the ARABS were shouting all along....accusing the USA and west of "trying to wage war against islam" or making a culture war.....
it shows that the MANIFEST DESTINY coupled with "GODNESS" and the WAR MACHINE of JESUS
has been in operation ALL ALONG....
that it is NOT just fiction, nor just a figment of the imagination that americans can themselves just wave away the criticisms as mere "antiamericanism" and "because they hate us for our fReedoms and way of life".
IN FACT --
IT IS the way of life that HAS LED to such things - the megalomaniacal sense of "we are the world"
AIDED by the sense of "god's people" as the "shing city on the hill" -- repeatedly Engraved some more in american cultural consciousness by Reagan and like "leaders" -- INCLUDING even Barack Obama in HIS version of it --
and what do you GET?
the PERFECT BASKET OF JUSTIFICATIONS for exploiting the rest of the world, if need be, through WARS while NEVER accepting BLAME or responsibility for them
because - in truth -- as General Smedley Butler had said OF AMERICA in 1933 --
"WE ARE a nation of predators....our foreign policy has ALWAYS been geared TOWARDS GATHERING as MUCH of the world's resources unto OURSELVES at the expense of OTHERS".........
and THAT is really why WAR is SO NOBLE in the minds of americans...so long as "we WIN" and ONLY if "we win" -- THEN the price is WORTH IT.
this is the kind of cultural mentality that has NURTURED the justification for TORTURE
"so long as we win"
because "we must preserve our FREEDOMS and way of life".
and THAT is the ultimate irony !
I agree that there are many more people who marched in the torture parade.
However, my fear is that by including so many we dilute the culpability of these few, who bear the greatest responsibility and should rightly bear the greatest punishment.
Sioux Rose
ELAINE: You cut right to the chase. Well-said.
If Cheney or others of this gang of thieves and murderers was to walk out to the pitcher's mound in the ninth inning of the last game of the World Series, draw a bead on the shortstop and shoot him dead with millions watching, it would just be circumstantial evidence.
There would be years of investigations and sifting of evidence, with the most accurate being suppressed for one reason or other. Then the question would come up as to whether this was deliberate or an accident? Then another investigation as to whether the shortstop had suffered a fatal heart attack and was already dead when the bullet struck him. Then, was the shortstop a secret terrorist whom Cheney had to kill to save the nation, despite personal risk?
In the end, Cheney would probably get the Medal of Freedom from the President of the Obamanation and his gun would be enshrined in the Smithsonian.
That is why you will never see a Nuremberg Tribunal for any of the principals of this illegal takeover of the nation and the promotion of their murderous programs.
This is also a good description of The Warren Commission.
Can you imagine the uproar if this horor story was reversed with pictures of our troops being tortured? But it's O.K. to torture our enemies. (Enemies ??)
In all this speculative talk, there is one thing we all should keep in mind. There is going to be an all-out, no hands or holds barred to get a red-faced Conservative maniac who will run for President, telling fabricated lies and even resorting to "mysterious disappearances" if necessary to cripple their opposition.
You may be sure that if these people win, the rest of us lose, and any complaints or remonstrances by non-conservatives will result in disappearences, fatal accidents and worse. Democracy will rapidly become obsolete and "Big Brother" will have won.
Here is what we are up against:
http://www.ponerology.com/
Until we learn to identify and isolate these types of individuals, we are going to keep having our peace disrupted.
The Unjustifiable
It is hard to accept, but apparently our so-called Justice System is so inadequate, so fragile, so terrified, so worthless that there can be no justice whatsoever for the hundreds or thousands of people that were jailed and tortured on mere suspicion without trial, without counsel, without end, without rights. It is hard to accept, but apparently our so-called Justice System is so inadequate, so fragile, so terrified, so worthless that there can be no justice whatsoever for the millions of people that were wiretapped, searched and invaded on mere suspicion without warrant, or judicial overview or safeguards of any sort. It is hard to accept, but apparently our so-called Justice System has chosen to ignore the Constitution that created it, the Amendments and Treaties that govern it, the oaths that were given swearing to defend it and the lives and sacred honor that were sacrificed to preserve it. It is hard to accept, but apparently our so-called Justice System is so inadequate, so fragile, so terrified, so worthless that none of the dozens or hundreds of people who gleefully and arrogantly did the torturing and multitude of other illegalities will ever be brought to justice. It is hard to accept, but apparently our so-called Justice System is so inadequate, so fragile, so terrified, so worthless that the likelihood of it happening again and to us are almost certain.
It has become evident the whole frightening mess of abuses of power was initiated on false or at the very best doubtful, nebulous information by arrogant individuals who cared more for power and control than everything our nation once stood for. Worse, we flushed our liberties down the toilet for supposed security, but got nothing, nothing, nothing in return except make us far more insecure in the process, both as to the supposed external threat and as to future demagogues and wannabe dictators.
Let our so-called Justice System hereafter be known as nothing but Systemic Injustice.
Signed: Lawlessone [for more irreverence, see resistence-is-possible.blogspot.com]
There are very few examples of countries that have tried former leaders for torture.
It mainly happens when a country has been conquered or when there has been a dramatic change in government.
Torture exists in many countries. There is no world court or authority that has prosecuted "stable" countries.
Torture was extremely common in Rwanda. It took genocide and a return of the opposition Tutsi to "force" war trials in Arusha, Tanzania.
Torture was common in Iraq. It took a US invasion to flush out the torturers.
The Nazis were prosecuted - the equally guilty Stalinists escaped prosecution.
The truth of the Armenian genocide has never really emerged - Turkey is a far too powerful influence in the Middle East.
Many will allege torture in China. No prosecution will occur until there is a change of government (the cultural revolution) or when China no longer finances the world.
The US still represents 50% of the world economy. No nation is going to prosecute American leaders - past or present - without a massive shock to the world economy.
Past US Leaders who are guilty of torture still control the world economy. And since the world economy controls the US Congress and Obama ...there will be no trials.
The truth, however, must be presented and must serve as a guideline for future actions.
In a Democracy, the leadership represents the people. We are all clowns in this circus.
It's easy to read about the catastrophic decline of some powerful nation from the past. It's not happening to us. But now we're living through the unstoppable decline of this nation; it is happening to us. Everybody thought Obysmal was a genie who would grant us three wishes. Instead, he turns out to be a quick handed con man moving walnut shells around the table top, asking us under which shell is the pea. It's not under any of them. We don't even feel stupid. He takes our money and we shuffle off.
Your "list" is short, by several million.
Anyone who has not clamoured for the immediate trial of every single individual who was involved, from G.W. Bush---all the way down to Pvt. "Jones"---who escorted the inmate from their cell--or simply shuffled food from the kitchen to the prisoners----
America has a corrupt culture or no one would have considered any of the actions taken by so many---their consciences would have disallowed it: none of them evidently had a conscience.
The real question is will the "12 decent" Americans----I know you are out there---make the trials for these many crimes by so many people a reality----or a news item "lost" next week with a new "revelation"?
America, the world cannot possibly tolerate you much longer---or the entire world is as insane as you.
Good luck America, you really need it.
They are sitting on fortunes playing golf and jet setting all over the world with the corporate buddy's, we know who they are.
In the mean time , working class Americans going broke have to watch their children go to an illegal christian supported and sold war because their are no jobs.
Wow, a never ending war with a never ending supply of soldiers.
And , instead of the christian community and its minsters stepping up and preaching the words of the "Prince of Peace"
they are too busy setting up community watch gang stalking torture networks city by city to protect the Fatherland.
Because their self righteous religious arrogant crusades knows not the truth of the evils of war , but rather the ability that war, economic failure, and desperation fills their pews.
I have been followed and gang stalked torture style by fanatical people that have Jesus symbols on their cars for over two years, and I am here to tell you that they are all crazy.
I stand with 8 wonderful non-religious people very Sunday as peace activists for 1 hour protesting the war.
For over a year, not one Christian in this town stands with us.
And they follow me around acting as judge jury and executioner for my life style.
Thats America right now, and I bet its happening all over the country.
The Republican neocons have made torture acceptable and popular, wow Christians like it too, and their getting paid for it.
Shameful, there are no real Christians in this country, unless they unite to end these illegal wars.
To those who say 13 is only a drop in the bucket: prosecutors look for "big fish." When they have a case against little fish, they usually offer them deals – sometimes no prosecution, sometimes very lenient punishment – to help make cases against big fish. For example, only a fraction of the people arrested for drug violations – themselves a tiny fraction of those who violate drug laws – are prosecuted. Prosecutors usually offer the little fish dismissal of their cases or lenient treatment in return for help in prosecuting the big fish.
A similar situation could arise with regard to violation of the laws against torturing prisoners. Granted, it hasn't happened so far. Under Bush, only little fish were prosecuted, and big fish were protected. But now there are, and will be, new prosecutors. Now we know the wrongdoing rises to the very top. It would thwart justice to proceed as if justice will be served only if everyone who could conceivably be prosecuted is held legally accountable.
Strange how the Dems have so much trouble prosecuting the "torture 13" and the Repugs have no problem going after Pelosi with both barrels firing to distract everyone from the guilty ones.
Some posters should look up the definition of "enabler" (Pelosi) and "promoter" (torture 13. The Repugs will not divulge the difference as they are only trying to save themselves from justice being served.
I WOULD SUGGEST A GOOD, AND NOT AS CONTRAVERSIAL STARTING POINT WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THE TWO PSYCHOLOGISTS LOSE THEIR LICENSES, IF THEY EVEN HAVE THEM!
Give the USA a little more time with these things:
it will soon enough have not JUST "psychologists" working for such things...but its VERY OWN DR , MENGELES...using tortured folks the USA designates as 'threats to peace and security'....
as guinea pigs to "research into the roots of terrorism and evil".........
if anything - it has already begun in some systematic, "legal", "constitutional" way....the powers decide what is Defined...and that's it.
but it keeps doing that -- nothing is permanent, not even the power of the USA --
and the day shall come -- the word "american" WILL MEAN
EVIL.
"...Frst, they based the enhanced interrogation techniques on techniques used in the U.S. military's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) program...."
wait. who is telling this author this is the origin?
Alfred McCoy, (professor University Wisconsin, Madison) for several years has argued the techniques used dated back to the 1950s.
The new argument is techniques came from SEREs -- something forwarded by the US GOVT? I think it is indeed and I think if we aren't careful, we might accept the story how the torture techniques came around... In fact, if we accept this account, then the history of torture techniques and black sights effectively begins and ends with 2002 and Dubya.
In a sick and distorted way, we should thank George Dubya for bringing this into the open and pulling the wool off our eyes. And now, the new Admin wants to pull it back over....
McCoy
http://www.news.wisc.edu/11995
and recent DemocracyNOW!
democracynow.org/2009/5/1/torture_expert_alfred_mccoy_obama_reluctance
quote from above democracynow inteview....
"...ALFRED McCOY: We’re at a critical moment in the debate about torture. We’re at the exact moment historically we’ve been at six times over the past forty years. What’s happened since really 1970, right up to the present, because we’ve been engaged in torture continuously throughout this entire period, is that Congress and the press will conduct a major exposé of torture; the public will be momentarily aroused; there will be no sustained investigation, no prosecution, no penalty; the practice will continue. A few more years later, another revelation, another round of debate, discussion, nothing done, and then it emerges again.
So I think what’s fairly certain to say, that if the past teaches us anything, that unless there is serious prosecution and something beyond simply a legislative investigation, something more binding, something more permanent, that within five or six years, we’ll be faced with another major torture scandal just like this one, except it will be worse, because the world will remember this exposé. They’ll think that we tried to correct, and we didn’t correct, and they’ll realize that this is in fact American state policy, that torture is part of the apparatus of American power...."
Marcy Wheeler has written an excellent, concise article outlining the basic case against 13 of the key people involved in establishing torture. As guilty as some if not all of these people are, we need to re evaluate the war powers process itself - the basis for the argument to justify torture. Bush had war powers and therefore could do anything he pleased.
This is indeed the second - not the first - case of the war powers process being abused. LBJ and the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident were the first case, and it started the Vietnam War. It is time to eliminate this addition to the constitution and go back to the original process for going to war, a full declaration of war vote in both houses of congress. The only real guarantee this type of abuse of power will not happen again is to simply eliminate the option.
As the entire rationale that justifies torture is dependent on Bush having war powers, I would have listed him as number one on the list.
I enjoyed this article. The 13 people described are certainly those that were delirious in their compulsion with power.
The comments are another story. The discourse here has devolved to an unknowable interpretation. I personally embrace anarchy, yet this is some hybrid of pathology riddled with Prozac, Lithium, alchohol, pain killers, biblical stupidity and masturbatory childishness.
And if that is not enough try on a few psychoanalytic terms.
Bring America Back !!!!....If one wishes to engage in the current Mainstream Media distraction of analyzing Torture ad infinitum, then Marcy Wheeler jumps on the bandwagon.
*Marcy is so full of minutiae she sees not the forrest for the trees. So, she only takes one bite of the Apple.
****It did not start with torture, it started with 9/11 !
****Documents and testimony now available prove the Torture 13 were using the program to justify invasion of Iraq ! "W" was obsessed with getting Saddam, his daddy's unfinished war.
****Immediately after 9/11, the FBI--speaking for the Torture 13, identified a Boogieman named bin Laden as the culprit who did us dirty. Since they knew this to be false, they needed a program to produce a Patsy, or Patsies, fall guys who could be blamed when the spectre of bin Laden failed.
****Torture 13 knew that forced coersion was a great way to produce Patsies. Ergo, we now have a Muslim chauffeur and the so-called 19th Hijacker (after various waterboardings) gleefully taking pride in masterminding 9/11 ! To hell with bin Laden T13 doesn't need Him anymore, but they deported all his family & friends back to the UAE homeland just in case--also 1st week after 9/11 ! The Bogey
masterminds are also asking for martyrdom to enter Islam heaven as Heros.
****Testimony last week behind a Congressional screen definitely proved absolutely no actionable intelligence came from the T13 programs, and No other attacks were identified except thru friendly persuasion==which, of all things, did yield some good info and usable.
****T13 did Not make the US Safer, and intelligence shows it actually caused more US Trooper deaths due to inflammation of insurgencies in Iraq !
**Don't ever forget that , even John Mc Cain admits to cracking under captivity and torture during Vietnam POW.
Meaning, he would've admitted to any falsehoods they wanted him to !
T13 have already admitted to Torturer--what they do not want to admit to, is 9/11==The Truth of which has not yet seen the sunlight. They have sold us torture with a certain amount of pseudo-patriotism, but they have no such bargaining chip with 9/11 !!!!
WE WILL NEVER FORGET 9/11 !!!!
These are the 13 leading scumbags who have basically tortured the entire world for 9 years--because it's still going on. Obama's protecting them even as he claims "we no longer torture." If these assholes and their immediate subordinates are allowed to go free forever, their legacy sticks to us like dogshit on a deep-soled boot. And the whole world smells the stench that Obama pretends isn't there.
Thirteen people is all it takes to trash everything America claimed to stand for?
While they were doing that some other crowd was doing it's best to speed global warming, another bunch was fucking the financial system so badly and in so many ways that nobody can even tell what happened?
Somebody somewhere just decided, around 1980, that the USA was going to end.
the United Sates is actually looking in the wrong direction for terroists when actually they are supporting them right here with tax dollars. All these politions who allow torture and abuse like Bybee should be sent to prison and enjoy some of there own medicine!!!!! When did we become animals?
you can check the internet for the whole story how they made torture possible.
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