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Economists Predict 'No Gain, More Pain' for Greece
If alternatives are not pursued, Greece faces many years of economic pain along austerity path
If the European authorities are unwilling to abandon their destructive prescription of deeper cuts and continued austerity, Greece should seriously consider a planned default and exit from the euro, according to a new paper by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR).
People shout during a huge anti-austerity demonstration in Athens' Syntagma square. (Photo: Reuters)
“The IMF has consistently underestimated the depth of the Greek recession,” said Mark Weisbrot, CEPR Co-Director and lead author of the paper. “At some point, it becomes rational for Greeks to ask, is the euro worth this kind of punishment?”
The paper (pdf) discusses the most recent agreement between the Greek government and the so-called Troika -- the European Central Bank (ECB), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the European Commission (EC) -- which included reducing public employment by 150,000 workers by 2015, cutting the minimum wage by 20 percent (and by 32 percent for those under the age of 25); and weakening of collective bargaining in exchange for a 130 billion Euro package. "All of this," according to CEPR, "will have the effect of reducing living standards for workers and redistributing income upward."
One of the many problems of the austerity push is that it comes from European authorities who look at Greece’s situation "mainly from a creditor’s point of view," says the report. From the Troika's point of view, it is "not necessarily bad that the adjustment is painful" for the Greek people.
Ideologically/politically, [the Troika wants] a smaller government in Greece, with less regulation, much lower wages, and weaker unions. [...] The IMF lists reducing the size of the public sector as an “essential element” of its program.
Louise Armistead, writing for The Telegraph, says that "Unlike the troika’s messy efforts, the CEPR’s arguments are clear and compelling." And continues:
Greece has already suffered among the worst losses of output from financial crises in the 20th and 21st centuries, says the CEPR. Even if the economy starts to recover, Greece will have lost 15.8% of GDP since its peak.
Greece is paying crippling interest rates of 6.8% of GDP - one of the highest rates in the world. In the eurozone, only two are above 4% - Italy and Portugal. It seems unlikely that the bailout will bring the interest payments down.
Mark Weisbrot and Juan Antonio Montecino, the authors of the paper, argue that the "most important problem with the commitments that Greece has made to the European authorities is that its fiscal policy is pro-cyclical – that is, the government has been, and is committed to, tightening its budget while the economy is in recession. In 2010-11, the Greek government adopted measures to cut spending by 8.7 percent of GDP. This is comparable to cutting U.S. federal spending by $1.3 trillion."
Greek unemployment hit a record of 20.9 percent in November and the IMF forecasts that it will still be at 17 percent in 2016. Employment as a percentage of the working age population is now less that it was in 1994.
Following Argentina's path the sane alternative?
The paper notes that Argentina reached its pre-recession GDP in just three years, while Greece is expected to take at least a decade to reach that benchmark. The authors suggest that if the European authorities are unwilling to consider other alternatives, a planned default and exit from the euro is one alternative that should be considered.
The authors also look briefly at the alternative of a planned default and exit from the euro, considering that such an outcome might happen in any case due to recurrent crises and continued recession. They look at the case of Argentina, which unsuccessfully tried an internal devaluation with a deep recession from 1998-2001, as a relevant comparison. After default in December 2001 and devaluation a few weeks later, the Argentine economy shrank for just one quarter (a 4.9 percent loss of GDP), but then recovered and grew by more than 63 percent over the next six years.
“Argentina’s success after its default and devaluation show that rapid recovery is possible,” said Weisbrot. “It was not, as many claim, a commodities boom, or even export-driven growth. Argentina recovered rapidly because it was able to abandon the kinds of destructive economic policies that Greece is following today, and switch to pro-growth policies.”
The paper notes that Argentina reached its pre-recession GDP in just three years, while Greece is expected to take at least a decade to reach that benchmark.
An exit from the Euro would not be without risk, the authors acknowledge. They write: "A lot would depend on how skillfully and quickly the authorities could move from the financial crisis that would ensue, to economic recovery. As noted.. it took just one quarter for the economy to resume growth in Argentina after the default/devaluation."
In the case of Greece, there is no way to know in advance how severe the financial crisis, and associated loss of output and employment, would be if the government were to decide to default and exit from the euro. And that is what makes this decision difficult for the government or any political party: on the other side of the equation, it is not known when the Greek economy will begin to recover under the current program. So, although the current program has failed miserably and can be expected to continue to fail in the foreseeable future, there is considerable uncertainty regarding the effects of either choice. And for political leaders, it may be easier to accept the troika’s program as though –as the European authorities and most of the media frame it – there is no choice.
But, the idea that default/exit would be a catastrophe on the order of a Great Depression is false. The Great Depression was not the result of any one-time event; it was a long series of bad policydecisions over years. [...] A default/exit would likely bring on a financial crisis, but it would not by itself cause a Great Depression.
And finally, "Given the prognosis for Greece under the current program, and the probability that it will be plagued with recurrent crises and could even end in a chaotic default, a planned default/exit option could very well be the more prudent choice. It should be taken seriously as an alternative."
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Show AllWhile you continue to peddle right wing lies about this, even the business insiders are telling the truth about it:
Goldman Sachs arranged swaps that effectively allowed Greece to borrow 1 billion Euros without adding to its official public debt. While it arranged the swaps, Goldman also sought to buy insurance on Greek debt and engage in other trades to protect itself against the risk of a default on those swaps. Eventually, Goldman sold the swaps to the national bank of Greece.
Despite its role in creating swaps that may have allowed the Greek government to mask its growing debts, Goldman has no net exposure to a default on Greek debt, a person familiar with the matter says.
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-02-15/wall_street/30029418_1_go...
Here’s what we’re told - Greece’s economy blew apart because a bunch of olive-spitting, ouzo-guzzling, lazy-arse Greeks refuse to put in a full day's work, retire while they're still teenagers, pocket pensions fit for a pasha, and they've gone on a social services spending spree using borrowed money. Now that the bill is due and the Greeks have to pay with higher taxes and cuts in their big, fat welfare state, they run riot, screaming in the streets, busting windows and burning banks.
I don't buy it. I don’t buy it because of the document in my hand marked "Restricted distribution."
I’ll cut to the indictment - Greece is a crime scene. The people are victims of a fraud, a scam, a hustle and a flim-flam. And - cover the children’s ears when I say this - a bank named Goldman Sachs is holding the smoking gun.
In 2002, Goldman Sachs secretly bought up €2.3 billion in Greek government debt, converted it all into yen and dollars, then immediately sold it back to Greece. Goldman took a huge loss on the trade. Is Goldman that stupid? Goldman is stupid - like a fox. The deal was a con, with Goldman making up a phoney-baloney exchange rate for the transaction.
Why? Goldman had cut a secret deal with the Greek government in power then. Its game? To conceal a massive budget deficit. Goldman’s fake loss was the Greek government’s fake gain. Goldman would get repayment of its “loss” from the government at loan-shark rates.
The point is, through this crazy and costly legerdemain, Greece’s right-wing free-market government was able to pretend its deficits never exceeded 3 per cent of GDP.
Cool. Fraudulent but cool.
http://theglobalrealm.com/2011/11/16/how-goldman-sacked-greece/
The people know there is only one thing that works: The People's Agenda of universal enlightenment, solidarity, equity and justice. Global finance is not a part of enlightenment, solidarity, equity, or justice.
Universal enlightenment, solidarity, equity and justice fulfill Kant's Categorical Imperative, the ethics test that basically says it works if everyone doing it works, and it fails if everyone doing it fails.
Global finance, along with all hierarchical structures, fails KCI miserably. We recognize that KCI resonates with our internal spirits, so we apply it, subconsciously to each choice.
While hierarchical structures resonate with elites, elites are a small minority, and it's grotesquely unjust for their contradictory interests to trump the majority's interests.
As long as the people recognize their better interests are universal enlightenment, solidarity, equity and justice, they will know right from wrong, and easily contribute to the solution, instead of to the problem. The people are learning that listening to their own spirits makes life incredibly easier than listening to elites. The people choose what resonates with The People's Agenda of universal enlightenment, solidarity, equity and justice.
It is "the lenders that are always to blame. Always."
Why is that so difficult to understand for people? The banks gamble (often with other people's money) in the hopes of striking it rich. If they lose, they lose.
"It doesn’t matter if Greece is the biggest deadbeat in history; that’s completely irrelevant."
Goldman Sachs secretly conspired with the right wing government at the time to hide the truth about Greece's ability to pay, in order to dupe investors, and to increase pressure for privatization and union busting, and to rake in billions $$$ which went into the personal pockets of real live people who are now fabulously wealthy, the very people who set these scams up. Why should workers and the general public be forced to prop back up the extortion and fraud racket that caused the problems in the first place?
"It’s the lender’s responsibility to do due diligence to make sure that the borrower is creditworthy. The borrower has no responsibility in that regard. None."
It is also the bank's responsibility to tell the truth to investors. Goldman Sachs intentionally deceived investors with an elaborate and fraudulent scheme.
"That’s the bank's job; and they’re pretty good at it, too, when they’re not scamming the system..."
The banks knowingly made bad loans, and lied about that, because the people running the banks could skim off billions $$$ by doing that.
Everyone assumes, with good reason, including all of the potential home buyers here in the US, that if the bank says you are credit worthy, then you are. The bank is supposed to be the most conservative player - it is in their interest to be. They are extremely competent at protecting themselves from making bad loans. Yet they knowingly made thousands of thousands (who knows how many?) of bad loans.
The banks did not make bad loans because they are stupid, and not because they did not do their homework. They made bad loans to dupe investors and to artificially inflate the value of homes here and bonds in Greece, all the while sucking massive wealth out of the system and funneling it into their own pockets.
You cannot blame the Greek working people, nor the home buyers here, for failing to realize that the banks were intentionally making bad loans because that allowed them to run a highly lucrative scam. How could people know that? The banks, and their mouthpieces in government, kept that secret, deceived people, and they deny that this is what they did to this very day.
Would you blame patients for failing to realize that their doctor is lying to them, is telling them they are not sick, when they actually are, while the doctor is secretly taking out "dead peasant" life insurance on the patients? That is to say, betting that they will die?
OK, great idea, but the argument was disingenuous and therefore very tenuous.
From the report: "... And that is what makes this decision difficult for the government or any political party: on the other side of the equation, it is not known when the Greek economy will begin to recover under the current program. So, although the current program has failed miserably and can be expected to continue to fail in the foreseeable future, there is considerable uncertainty regarding the effects of either choice."
Although the current program is a failure and most knowledgeable but not bank-rolled economists have been saying (Richard Wolff, Michael Hudson, Bob Pollin, various Greek economists featured on The Real News and Max Keiser on RT) there is no other certainty for Greece BUT failure under the current program and similar programs of increasing austerity --- how would that add to uncertainty? What is certain is the failure of the IMF-style austerity. The record on that is well documented. The only choice they have is to default and actually that is the real story here. Not that there are THREE choices, but only one -- and not the one the elites have set forth as the only choice. The only choice is default and rebuilding the economy not only for growth -- again more neoliberal bias in this report -- but for sustainability more importantly.
The political upshot is that the CEPR gives the deadbeat politicians and the rest of the decision-making so-called "elites" political cover in a very stealthy way by saying they have a hard choice, when the whole thing is a no-brainer -- even though overall I am glad CEPR is putting this out there rather than not. But this certainly shows their limitations in how they unfortunately accommodate neoliberal ideology.
2. The Greeks are now forced to accept pay cuts retroactively - meaning they get to Work For Free! Slavery returns to Europe! Bankster heaven that's called.
3. A 3% loss (haircut on bond repayments) will bankrupt the euro banks in Germany and france - that is who the bailouts are for - not the Greeks.....
Lots of incorrect gibberish below masquerading as facts when in actuality it's complete BS.
2 Americas understands and articulates the problem the best in the comments below. If you're arguing with him/her quit it cause you look either dumb or a lying shill. especially when you argue with quotes from Greg Palast!
Goldman conspired to screw the Greeks - And then got an elected prime minister to resign and then INSTALLED the ex- Goldman sachs, CFR, tri-lateral commission member as the new unelected prime minister.
That is most properly called a COUP - and as such no Austerity measure voted upon and approved by the Greek guv should have any standing or legitimacy.