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WASHINGTON - With only three weeks left before U.S. military forces are scheduled to begin withdrawing from Afghanistan, the debate over the size and pace of that withdrawal has become increasingly intense.
Ryan Crocker, President Obama's choice to become ambassador to Afghanistan, appeared before a Senate panel Wednesday. But as the debate rages in Washington, the sad reality is that the war drags predictably on and on. (By J. Scott Applewhite, AP) On one hand, the Pentagon, backed by prominent neo-conservatives and other hawks, insists that the 18-month-old "surge" of 30,000 U.S. troops has turned the strategic tide against the Taliban.
Anything more than a "modest" drawdown of a few thousand of the nearly 100,000 soldiers and marines there through the end of the year, they argue, risks losing all that has been gained.
"I would hope that (the withdrawal) is very small," the 2008 Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, told the Financial Times this week. "I would hope that it is 3,000. We need another fighting season (against the Taliban)."
On the other hand, President Barack Obama's political advisers, backed by a strong majority of Democrats and a small but growing minority of Republicans in Congress, are arguing for a much more substantial withdrawal.
In the clearest marker so far, the influential chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin, said this week that at least 15,000 troops should be withdrawn between July and the end of the year.
His appeal came just days after the ranking Democrat on the House subcommittee that oversees the Pentagon's budget, Rep. Norm Dicks, shocked Washington by calling for an end to the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan before 2014. Current plans call for the U.S. and its NATO allies, which have sent more than 40,000 troops, to withdraw all their combat forces by the end of that year.
"We need to start seeing if we can do this (withdrawal) a little faster," Dicks, a veteran Democratic hawk, told Politico.
"I think the American people would overwhelmingly like to see this brought to a conclusion sooner than 2014," he said, citing growing "war fatigue" in Congress.
Obama, who has promised that the initial withdrawal will be "significant", has otherwise kept his cards close to his chest. The White House said he was still waiting to receive formal recommendations from the outgoing defence secretary, Robert Gates, who met with military commanders during a three-day farewell visit of Afghanistan that began on the weekend.
The withdrawal debate has intensified steadily since the May 2 killing by U.S. Special Forces of Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden at a compound in the Pakistani resort town of Abbottabad where he had apparently been living for six years. Until then, it appeared that the Pentagon and its civilian allies would prevail upon Obama to withdraw only a "modest" – if not token – number of troops in July and through the end of the year.
But bin Laden's demise gave new momentum to the war's critics who have long argued that Al-Qaeda had, for all practical purposes, left Afghanistan in 2001 and that Washington's military-led counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy there was overly ambitious and largely ineffective, if not counter-productive.
"We've gone from being waist- to chest-deep in quicksand," noted Matthew Hoh, who directs the Afghanistan Study Group and served in Afghanistan as both a Marine captain and a State Department adviser.
At the same time, the growing focus in Congress about the yawning government deficit has cast a harsher light on the war's enormous cost – some 10 billion dollars a month, not including another 300 million dollars a month for civilian-led aid projects.
It was these considerations, as well as unhappiness with U.S. military operations in Libya, that led late last month to near- passage by the House of Representatives of an amendment to the 690- billion-dollar 2011 defence authorisation bill that required Obama to submit a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops and "an accelerated transition" of U.S. operations there to the Afghan government.
The amendment, which was defeated 204-215, gained the votes of all but eight Democrats and 26 Republicans – a total of nearly 42 more votes than a similar measure last year.
The vote, which was taken as a strong indication of war weariness, appears to have tilted the balance in the debate, as the Pentagon and its backers stepped up their public campaign for a "modest" withdrawal of just a few thousand troops beginning in July.
Thus, a Washington Post/ABC poll released earlier this week that showed a sharp increase - from 31 percent last March to 43 percent after bin Laden's death - in the percentage of people who believe that the war in Afghanistan has been worth the costs was seized on by one former Bush administration adviser as evidence that Obama "probably has the political breathing room" to choose a "measured withdrawal" as opposed to a "rapid retreat".
The same survey, however, showed found that three out of four respondents favoured withdrawing "a substantial number of U.S. combat forces from Afghanistan this summer".
At the same time, Kimberly and Frederick Kagan, neo-conservative military analysts close to the outgoing U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that "nothing about conditions on the ground justifies the withdrawal of any U.S. or coalition forces".
Moreover, they warned, if Obama withdraws all 30,000 "surge" forces by the end of 2012, "the war will likely be lost."
Gates, who has called for a "modest" drawdown, has not offered a specific number, but, since the House vote, in particular, he has made clear that he wants as few combat troops as possible to leave.
"I think we shouldn't let up on the gas too much, at least for the next few months," he said over the weekend. He has also hinted that he will speak out publicly in support of the current strategy after he steps down at the end of the month.
Whether this will be enough to sway Obama, who has been criticised by his fellow-Democrats for deferring too much to the military, remains to be seen.
But it is clear that disillusionment with the war is spreading in both parties.
Releasing a highly critical staff report on the effectiveness and sustainability of U.S. aid programmes in Afghanistan Wednesday, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry expressed strong doubts about the current strategy.
"While the United States has genuine national security interests in Afghanistan," said Kerry, a key foreign policy ally of the White House, "our current commitment, in troops and dollars, is neither proportional to our interests nor sustainable."
His remarks were seconded by the Committee's ranking Republican, Sen. Richard Lugar. "Despite 10 years of investment and attempts to better understand the culture and the region's actors, we remain in a cycle that produces relative progress but fails to deliver a secure political or military resolution," he said.
"Undoubtedly, we will make some progress when we are spending more than 100 billion dollars per year in that country. The more important question is whether we have an efficient strategy for protecting our vital interests that does not involve massive open-ended expenditures and does not require us to have more faith than is justified in Afghan institutions," he said.
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Show AllWho is paying the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF), some 300,000 men strong? The Afghan Govt, the poorest in the world, cannot afford to pay for it's own security.
Yep, that's right, we do! So even if the US drawdown is ever completed, we'll always be funneling money into AfPak to pay/bribe their security forces. We'll be paying for Bush's Grand Little War for generations.
"bin Laden's demise" ???
Like he died of old age or something and not murdered by US soldiers.
We can't leave until AIPAC say we can. Which means as long as there's an Israel, we're there.
The quicksand is the problem.
In Vietnam we snubbed anyone who wanted democracy and we sided with the heroin kingpins. That's what we did in Afghanistan. We impoverished (and the local dealers addicted!) millions of peasants. Then we wondered why the people hated us so badly.
In Vietnam it was our money that financed the Viet Cong. That's what we did in Afghanistan. We pay vast sums and then great numbers of our "allies" turn around and buy protection from the Taliban.
What hallucinating idiots think these things out clearly?
"Kimberly and Frederick Kagan, neoconservative military analysts close to outgoing US commander in Afghanistan General David Petraeus, published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that 'nothing about conditions on the ground justifies withdrawing any US or coalition forces.' Moreover, they warned if Obama withdraws all 30,000 surge forces by the end of the year, 'the war will likely be lost.'"
Well, glad that's settled. The neocons are absolved of all responsibility. All fault belongs to the wimpy Dems. No point looking back. Let's all bipartisanly look towards the future together.
And you can bet your bippy that Petraeus and Robert Gates will solemnly echo the Kagans' theme.
Bill from Saginaw
First of all, Obama is not President Obama because we are in a state of perpetual war. He is Commander in Chief, Obama and we, the people, are civilians. Civilian, according to Webster's Dictionary is an outsider.
So now we know how Karzai feels in his own country?
According to Wikipedia (forgive the repetition for those following this subject):
Afghanistan is, as of March, 2010, the greatest illicit opium producer in the entire world.
Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001.
Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004–2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule.
92% of the opiates on the world market originate in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is also the largest producer of hashish in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan
Gee, I don't know. We might be there for a while.
How quickly ignore history at our own peril.
We are about to be added to the long list of empires who have stubbed their toes on the region now known as Afghanistan and fallen mightily.
Sink, sink into the quicksand of the graveyard of empires!
Duplicate post.
Empires won by conquest have always fallen either by revolt within or by defeat by a rival.
John Boyd Orr
I love studying Ancient History and seeing how empires rise and fall, sowing the seeds of their own destruction.
Martin Scorsese
In the last five or six thousand years, empires one after another have arisen, waxed powerful by wars of conquest, and fallen by internal revolution or attack from without.
John Boyd Orr
Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too.
Marcus Aurelius
Our civilization is now in the transition stage between the age of warring empires and a new age of world unity and peace.
John Boyd Orr
The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.
Winston Churchill
40 Million Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan do not want us in their country.
They will resist forever by any means necessary. Time is on their side.
And, I am repeating a previous post in case someone missed it.
When the U.S. military and the CIA were in Vietnam, South East Asia was the global epicenter of heroin production.
Now they are in Afghanistan and under the occupation record amounts of heroin are being produced and marketed around the world. $200 Billion a year.
Afghanistan also has abundant mineral wealth, oil, natural gas and is the proposed pipeline route for American oil corporations planning to market Central Asian oil and natural gas throughout Asia.
Chevron and Exxon and others are already active in various Central Asian countries which may have reserves equal to the Middle East. They are corporate war criminals not unlike the German corporations that backed Hitler.
"The War on Afghanistan is a Profit driven "Resource War".
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19769
excerpt:
"The Golden Crescent Drug Trade"
America's covert war, namely its support to the Mujahideen "Freedom fighters" (aka Al Qaeda) was also geared towards the development of the Golden Crescent trade in opiates, which was used by US intelligence to fund the insurgency directed against the Soviets.1
Instated at the outset of the Soviet-Afghan war and protected by the CIA, the drug trade developed over the years into a highly lucrative multibillion undertaking. It was the cornerstone of America's covert war in the 1980s. Today, under US-NATO military occupation, the drug trade generates cash earnings in Western markets in excess of $200 billion dollars a year. (See Michel Chossudovsky, America's War on Terrorism, Global Research, Montreal, 2005, see also Michel Chossudovsky, Heroin is "Good for Your Health": Occupation Forces support Afghan Narcotics Trade, Global Research, April 29, 2007) "
Excellent post, gonzonews!
For those interested, see the books of Peter Dale Scott on the connections among drug production, drug trafficking, the CIA, and the US empire. Warning: it's a very sordid story.
Disaster capitalism is the economic engine of choice for the financial vermin inhabiting the shadowy halls of power. See, Jane's Missles and Rockets.
Likeitornot, do you really believe anyone in the GOP would have complained if a Republican had ordered attacks on Libyan forces? Good grief, man, pay attention.
likeitornot I agree with you on a number of points. I disagree with you that our republic usually works. I would argue that in the last 12 years our nation has been an authoritarian dictatorship. I see many parallels between the United States and the late Roman Republic. Our president acts like a Roman emperor. Our Congress has abdicated authority to the president just as the Roman Senate abdicated authority to the triumvirates, Julius Caesar and ultimately to Augustus and subsequent emperors thus ending the Roman Republic.
Perhaps we will have a president who comes along who possess the prescience of the Emperor Hadrian who recognized that the Roman Empire had reached it's limit. That president might similarly recognize that the American Empire has reached it's limit and cease attempts at world wide conquest. Perhaps if the United States faced true threats to it's empire as the Roman's did on their borders from various groups such as the Goths, Visigoths, and the Parthians, we might see a cessation of this madness of perpetual warfare. None of this is likely to ever happen as long as we have standing armies.We should have heeded the Founding Father's wise counsel on the dangers of maintaining standing armies.
There is no debate; they just switch comic books and compare and so I'd say that the books are of the jackass variety and we are the ones being put through the paces. Money is the staying option..So, guess which wins? Tony
The money trail leads, no doubt, to drug-peddling, rich, male, secret/cult, capitalist-pig-men, just like Vietnam, only at alpine level...
.throw in vast energy reserves, mega-giant-petrol firms,
military/industrial profiteers, brainwashed [US] nationalists,
and Republican/Democrat/bribe-recipients, and you have a peace-meltdown precipitating World War 3, or something resembling it.....
Deja-vu, apparently........
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