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In a Coma, With the Plug Pulled on Health Insurance
Family's Struggle Highlights Retroactive Decisions by Insurers, Employers
With her heart set on a career as a chef, Heather Galeotti enrolled in a San Francisco culinary school. One winter night, her life took a near-fatal turn when she was hit by a car. The 22-year-old lay in a coma for nearly six months.
Like many insurance disputes, the Galeotti case has its share of miscommunication, bureaucratic wrangling and missing documents. But it remains a stark example of a murky practice by some insurance companies and employers - cutting off coverage retroactively for some patients with expensive medical claims. (adapted photo by flickr user planetc1) Galeotti's shaken family told the hospital that she was covered by
her father's health care plan with Kaiser Permanente. The hospital
confirmed her status with Kaiser and proceeded to treat her. Medical
bills piled up to more than $4 million.
Then in July 2007, five months into Galeotti's treatment, Kaiser stunned the family with a letter. The Galeottis would have to find another way to pay the bills. Based on information received from her father's employer, Kaiser said that the young woman's coverage had not been in effect when she was hit.
"We were just blindsided," said her mother, Maureen Galeotti. "There was no way we could afford it." The case was shifted to Medicaid, where Galeotti's bills would have to be covered by taxpayers.
Ten months later, California insurance regulators ordered Kaiser to cover Galeotti's care, saying that Kaiser had no basis for denying payment "other than to achieve a significant financial windfall" at the expense of her family, the hospital and the state's Medicaid program.
Like many insurance disputes, the Galeotti case has its share of miscommunication, bureaucratic wrangling and missing documents. But it remains a stark example of a murky practice by some insurance companies and employers - cutting off coverage retroactively for some patients with expensive medical claims.
The new health care reform bill bans retroactive decisions by insurers in policies sold to individuals, except in cases of fraud. However, as it stands the ban would not apply to group policies, such as the one held by the Galeotti family, which cover some 150 million Americans.
Heather Galeotti's story, reported here for the first time, came to the Huffington Post Investigative Fund through its citizen journalism project, which seeks to shed light on the inner workings of the insurance industry. Former and current employees at Kaiser responded to the Fund's online requests for help from insiders. Their tips led the Investigative Fund to identify the Galeotti family and obtain records of the case, including internal Kaiser e-mails.
Major insurers in California, including Kaiser, agreed in 2008 to stop retroactively cancelling coverage - a practice known in the industry as rescission. At the time, Kaiser announced that it had not rescinded anyone's coverage since 2006. But the new agreements and increased regulatory scrutiny only applied to patients buying their own individual coverage, not to group policies.
Even so, Kaiser may have violated state law in the Galeotti matter. While declining to comment on an individual case, Lynne Randolph, spokeswoman for the Department of Managed Health Care in California, said that a retroactive cancellation of coverage through an employer is "permissible only when the coverage is cancelled for non-payment of premiums." The Galeottis continued to pay their premiums throughout their daughter's medical crisis.
Despite the state order, officials at Kaiser, the nation's largest nonprofit health plan, continue to maintain that the insurer's actions in the Galeotti case should not be considered a retroactive termination of coverage. That's because -- according to Kaiser officials -- a month before the car hit Galeotti, the employer's group plan notified the family that her coverage had lapsed on Dec. 31, 2006. Kaiser was never informed, so it initially agreed to pay the bills, Kaiser officials said. However, that account is strongly denied by the Galeotti family. The family's lawyer said they never received such a notice, and Kaiser said it does not have a copy in its records. Lawyers for the group plan declined repeated requests for interviews.
Kaiser acknowledged that it made an error by not paying Galeotti's bills, but blamed the mistake on the late notification from the group plan and "a lack of coordination" among departments inside the insurer. Spokesman Won Ha pointed out that Kaiser provides approximately 40 million patient services each year and he described the circumstances presented by the Galeotti matter as rare, with "no regular frequency over the long run."
But because insurance companies are rarely required to report to state or federal regulators how many times they have denied claims or canceled coverage -- let alone to justify why - only the industry knows the statistics.
Records and e-mails obtained by the Investigative Fund suggest that retroactive decisions might not be isolated incidents in group plans. A senior official in Kaiser's regulatory services, referencing the Galeotti matter, wrote in a May 2008 e-mail to senior-level staff: "This type of case comes to special services 3-5 times a month."
Peter Harbage, former assistant secretary for the California state health department, said retroactive cancellations or denials should be treated no differently in individual or group policies.
"Call it whatever you want. It's not different to the family," said Harbage, now a health policy consultant and analyst for the New America Foundation. "The family thought they had coverage. Their insurer told them they had coverage, but then suddenly it's like they never had that coverage, and they're left with the bill."
Harbage added: "If you're not safe in the group market with an insurer as well-respected as Kaiser, then you're not safe anywhere. There's no such thing as an isolated case."
California Enforcement
The practice of retroactively cancelling individual health policies garnered some national attention in 2008 when Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), then chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, held hearings that highlighted the consequences for patients and their families.
The hearings followed a 2006 series in the Los Angeles Times, which explored how insurance companies were looking for ways to cut costs under pressure from shareholders, policyholders and the government. In some cases, the newspaper reported, certain expensive illnesses could automatically trigger an insurer to investigate whether a patient should have been deemed eligible for insurance in the first place.
California health officials began investigating improper retroactive cancellations after the newspaper reports, but only for people with individual policies.
The state's managed health department recently declared that its 2008 agreements with insurers "to halt illegal rescissions have been comprehensive, swift and binding." Still, some consumer advocates and state lawmakers have questioned the strength of enforcement. A recent report by the Institute of Health Law Studies at the California Western School of Law found that fewer than 300 out of 6,000 people who had been retroactively dropped by their insurer had been reinstated under terms of the agreements.
The health care bill signed Tuesday by President Obama bans rescission in individual health insurance policies, except when insurers can prove fraud on the part of the policyholder.
Still, only about 14 million people hold individual health insurance policies. Experts have argued that patients are more protected in a group: There are usually no requirements for patients to fill out medical history surveys and insurers do not want to risk angering an employer and losing the entire group.
As the Galeotti case shows, however, even people with group policies can be vulnerable.
A Question of Eligibility
San Francisco General Hospital admitted Galeotti on Feb. 27, 2007. She had been run over by a large sport utility vehicle in an incident that police described as a fight between two romantic rivals. "I was conscious enough to hear my friend saying 'Don't die on me, hon, don't die on me,'" Galeotti said in a recent interview.
At first, Kaiser informed the hospital that Galeotti was covered. Its case managers closely monitored her progress and the cost of her treatment. As a student, she came under the policy her father, a custodian, held through the General Employees Trust Fund in Daly City, Calif. Since the young woman was hospitalized she could not attend classes at the California Culinary Academy, meaning that her coverage would eventually lapse without an extension under the policy's incapacitated child clause. The hospital encouraged the family to contact the Trust Fund.
That is when the problems began.
In June 2007 the Trust Fund sent the Galeotti family a letter denying the application, saying inaccurately that their daughter had already graduated from school and was no longer eligible. The family appealed the denial, saying that the graduation date had been pushed back because she had taken medical leave -- a fact confirmed to the Investigative Fund by school officials.
The Trust Fund did not reverse its decision. According to Kaiser, a hospital social worker then mentioned to a Kaiser representative that Galeotti's eligibility was in question. Kaiser contacted the Trust Fund, which on July 23 sent the insurer a one-line fax stating that Galeotti was "last eligible Dec. 31, 2006" under her father's plan. Kaiser officials said that the Trust Fund told the insurer that it had sent the family a letter in January alerting them that their daughter was no longer covered and offering to let her buy continuing coverage, but the family's lawyer said no such letter arrived.
Two days after receiving the one-line fax, Kaiser informed the Galeottis that it had been directed to terminate the young woman's health coverage, effective Jan. 1, 2007 -- almost two months before she had been admitted to the hospital. Kaiser told the family that if Galeotti wanted to restore her coverage retroactively, she could buy into a new plan.
In interviews and in a written statement, Kaiser's Ha said it was not up to the insurer to verify whether Galeotti should be covered. "The group employer -- not Kaiser Permanente -- makes all decisions about canceling or starting coverage for its plan participants based on its eligibility determinations," he said.
The Trust Fund's lawyers declined comment on the Galeotti matter.
The Hospital's Complaint
The case would have stayed off the regulators' radar if not for officials at San Francisco General.
Under Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, the hospital was not getting paid the full amount of its charges for Galeotti's care. So hospital officials began exploring the reasons she was dropped by Kaiser. They filed a complaint with state regulators.
For months, records show, the insurer debated Galeotti's coverage with the state Department of Managed Health Care. In May 2008, after she had been on Medicaid for nearly a year and was re-learning how to walk, the regulators faxed a stern letter to Kaiser, documenting her "improper termination." The letter said, "Given the Plan's significant financial obligation to SF General, and the fact that the Plan continued to receive premium on the Family Account, Kaiser's motives... are suspect."
In September 2008, the insurer paid the hospital. The regulators did not issue a fine.
Even with the payments from Kaiser and some coverage from Medicaid, the Galeotti family said it still owes about $1 million for rehab, medications and other fees.
For Galeotti herself, the recovery has been difficult. She has been living with her parents and undergoing physical therapy since September 2007, re-learning how to walk and talk. "There are good days and bad days," she said. "I still don't walk normally and I'll be in and out of a wheelchair for the rest of my life. I'm frustrated. But I'm here."
Kaiser said it has made "minor adjustments" in its procedures to avoid similar problems with processing claims. Spokesman Ha emphasized that the Galeotti case involved an "unusual and complex sequence of events."
Still, he said, "Kaiser should have handled the processing of this claim better."
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Show AllSee what happens when government washes its hands off and leaves everything to Big Insurance scammers like Kaiser to take care of everything? California wouldn't be in this crisis if Obama would actually help the state and Arnold would stop vetoing statewide single payer. When you allow health care to be privatized, then Big Insurance is free to mess up and deny at their will. This is the scam that just passed in Washington and we will continue to see more tragic cases such as Heather's.
Although (in 40 years of voting) I have never voted for any Republican, I have already e-mailed encouragement to all 13 state AGs who will be testing the constitutionality of Obama's individual mandate.
You should do the same.
Good news in my state.
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/21800
The AG is Democrat and playing partisan politics as usual so the Lt Gov will have to do. I never imagined I'd have to see this of the Democratic Party in all my years I voted Democrat either.
Republicans continue fighting legislation that they actually crafted. They came up with the requirement that Americans get health care. Without a single payer system, it does make sense that the high costs paid for those who refuse to buy insurance, forcing the rest of us to pay for their stupidity or lack of ability to pay for it, makes a non single payer program work.
In the 90's, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, proposed the requirement of all individuals to have health care coverage. Conservatives now say “NO.”
George W. Bush's administration welcomed the idea of Pennsylvania's economist, Mark Pauly of the Wharton School, when he proposed that a mandate could successfully blend a mandate for coverage with tax cuts, which is exactly what Obama's health care does. Now, however, Republicans say “NO.”
In 2006, Mitt Romney signed a similar requirement into law as governor of Massachusetts, and Scott Brown backed it. Now, they call it socialistic.
Palin, the pistol packin’ Republican brain trust and her boy, John McCain, are calling for repeal. The far right of the far right Republican party, Astroturf Tea Partiers, are calling the program a disgrace and socialistic. (How did they all get time-off to vacation in Searchlight, Nevada? Did they figure out that light travels faster than sound, which is why Sarah appears bright until you hear her talk?)
Conservatives, those conserving their own wealth at the expense of all principles and human care, believe that those refusing to buy insurance and thus subject to penalties paid to tax authorities are being unduly trod upon. The fact that, when the uninsured arrive at the hospital door and part of my cost for health care is paid for their care, is okay with these righteous conservatives. It is all relative to whose wealth is involved, who the lobbyists are paying off, and it is about the new morality, wherein corporate greed is transformed from a sin into a virtue named productivity and profit.
Why would the Republicans, who once saw a national mandate as a free market route to guaranteed coverage for all Americans, now find their own idea unacceptable?
It is because Republicans have lost their focus. They view their offices as entitlements. They view their campaign funds as their tickets to a life time career of office holding. Needy for campaign cash, they refuse to risk loosing their financial benefactors, in order to do what is right and honor their oath of office. They no longer serve the people but pay homage to corporate socialism. They use noble issues, such as the right-to-life, as a weapon against participation in the process of working for the well being of all Americans. They turn on their own ideas in order to maintain a line in the sand. Never underestimating the power of stupid people in large groups, they pepper their speeches with dangerous rhetoric to agitate and enrage a confused mob into a frenzy. And they do it in concert, like birds that fly in the right formation, they need only exert half the effort. Even in nature, however, such teamwork results in collective laziness. The sign on their voting machines should read, “Caution this machine has no brain – use your own.”
November, may be a big surprise for Republicans. With all those heads in the sand they present a broad target.
I wouldn't be so sure about the Republicans not winning. The Democrats blew their opportunity to make health care their winning issue and will now be a liability against them for caving in to the Republican plan.
-"The new health care reform bill bans retroactive decisions by insurers in policies sold to individuals, except in cases of fraud. However, as it stands the ban would not apply to group policies, such as the one held by the Galeotti family, which cover some 150 million Americans."
-"Even with the payments from Kaiser and some coverage from Medicaid, the Galeotti family said it still owes about $1 million for rehab, medications and other fees."
One million dollars??? You have got to be kidding me!!! And this is after fighting for the insurance company to do what they were supposed to do in the first place. And this situation doesn't change with the new law. After reading this story, can someone please explain to me again what great historic victory Obama accomplished with his health insurance reform?
Some states are fighting back on Obamacare. Check out what my governor just did.
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/news/viewRelease.cfm?id=88
He sucks in that he wouldn't think of giving single payer for all Virginians but for now, he is working on blocking this giveaway to the corporate fascists. Funny it takes a Republican to fight corporate fascists these days !
Would it also ban single payer? Here is the wording of the Virginia bills:
"No resident of this Commonwealth, regardless of whether he has or is eligible for health insurance coverage under any policy or program provided by or through his employer, or a plan sponsored by the Commonwealth or the federal government, shall be required to obtain or maintain a policy of individual insurance coverage. No provision of this title shall render a resident of this Commonwealth liable for any penalty, assessment, fee, or fine as a result of his failure to procure or obtain health insurance coverage."
So, the Virginia bills SEEM to be restrictively worded enough as to only apply to the "individual insurance coverage" of the current federal mandate. It doesn't seem to ban future USP coverage at the state (pretty unlikely in VA) or federal level. But, laws can interpreted in very stretched-out ways, especially by the right.
Most states taking similar actions are considering or passing bills and constitutional amendments that are very broadly worded and would very clearly also ban single payer. This is the case Missouri and Pennsylvania - the two states I've checked so far.
PLEASE, PLEASE!!! We all hate the individual private insurance mandate, but as leftists, right now, we have zero control of the debate. If you blindly support any state anti-mandate measure, you will, in most cases, ALSO be supporting a banning of any USP health care plan for the indefinite future.
Call you State Rep/deldagate/Senator and insist that no bill be passed that could be interpreted in any way as banning a future state or federal universal health care plan.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK and ACT!
The phrase "shall be required to obtain or maintain a policy of individual insurance coverage" is all I care about. I don't like what our new governor plans to do on health care with his libertarian "let people chose their private provider" bs but to mandate people from purchasing from a private provider is what he is against and that I like. It sucks but what that's what happens when the Democrats in Washington do it all wrong.
But is doesn't matter which "phrase" in the bill you like, the wording of the whole bill is what becomes law!!!
If, like other states, the bills clearly prohibit not only mandated private insurance, but mandated (i.e. payment of a tax) particiaption in any other kinds of healthcare syatem, would you still support it? The Virginia bill seems to be better-worded than other states, but I'm not entirly sure that this bill can't be interpreated as a prohibition on single payer too.
Would you actually end the possibliity of single payer in your state just to "stick-it-to" the federal congressional Democrats?
The state can change the wording any day. We just need the right state leaders who will correct whatever wording it is that prevents single payer. The Obamacare legislation is responsible for blocking states' rights to single payer and that's why I'm all for the GOP fighting Obamacare in the courts and working to repeal it so that we can get our states' rights to pass statewide single payer health care.
Thay cannot just "change the wording". It is a law, and will require passage of another law to repeal - not at all an easy thing. Are the Republicans down there for single payer?
If you need to get out of Norfolk in order to get to London, do you take a plane to Tokyo, because at least the plane is taking you out of Norfolk? That is the logic you are displaying here.
I don't expect the Republicans to be for single payer but when the Democrats were in control, they did even want to bring up health care. My logic does not say go to Tokyo before getting to London.
Maxpayne,
I understand what you're saying--I agree with you too.
Chelsea
We have similar policies in MO. It's amazing how the supporters of this rotten legislation try to to this to single payer. Single payer is not the same as mandatory purchase of health insurance but who listens? They think that we should keep the same system and move it this way and that so that one day we'll get to single payer. The truth is that the current health care for-profit system doesn't even allow a German type of health care system of tightly regulating the insurance wolves let alone a path to single payer. The system is completely privileged by design that the only path to single payer is to demolish the current system and rebuild a new one from scratch.
The people who are drafting this legislation despise AMY kind of universal coverage, what makes you think any kind of legislation they would drafting would permit it??
Read the wording of the fucking bill! Are the people writing this legislation supporters of USP? Do you Know ANYTHING about the legislative process? Do know who you state rep and state senator is and have you contacted them as to the purpose of this bill?
Single payer involves the mandatory payment of a tax for the purpose of providing health coverage for everyone, and the Missouri bill most decidedly prohibits this. What is it about the word "mandatory" don't you understand?
I read the whole bill and there is no need for foul language here. Single payer is about government providing a basic safety net and there is no such thing as mandatory payment other than your typical taxes. The insurance companies are out of the way and doctors and nurses shall prove who is really and who are the frauds and mediocres. Single payer is more than just insurance and nothing in the MO bill prohibits it. I have spoken to a couple of conservative neighbors of mine who support it albeit for different reasons. I could contact my state rep and senator but I understand the bill just fine. Government explicitly mandating payments for coverage is prohibited and single payer would not be part of it unless they wanted to do away with Medicare/Medicaid completely.
From http://www.hr676.org/5.html
Won’t it require a massive imposition of new taxes to fund this program?
In a word… No! Those Americans who currently subscribe to commercial health insurance already pay huge and ever spiraling amounts in monthly premiums to maintain an ever shrinking level of coverage. National health insurance will simply require participating members to pay a similar monthly health insurance premium, perhaps in the form of a tax (but it's still the same thing as a premium no matter what you call it**), but into the New Medicare system instead - on a stable, affordable, progressive (sliding scale) basis. For example, those in the lower income brackets will pay very low premiums according their financial ability; some may not be able to pay anything at all. Those in the middle will pay a reasonable but affordable premium and those in the very high income brackets will pay a little bit more in accordance with their abilities, but the premiums will be fair and reasonable at all levels and all will be covered! In addition, under the New Medicare, there will be a new focus on preventative medical health care. Up until now, this has not been widely offered by private health insurance carriers because it does not tend to generate immediate profits but experts agree that over time it will not only save additional billions in medical costs nationwide but also contribute dramatically to improving the overall level of health for all Americans as well.
**Whatever they call it - It's very important to keep in mind that this is NOT an ADDITIONAL tax but a REPLACEMENT for current private health premiums.
Thank you maxpayne. I don't know why people like pjd paint single payer in such a negative light despite its simplicity yet truly marvelous strength to help us all. Funny he/she goes head strong defending 2700 pages of regressive tyranny as if it's some step towards single payer. Funny that even Mexico and South Africa despite their oppression issues have governments providing universal health care and there's no mandatory payments to unregulated big insurance wolves free to play with people's money. This nation is embarrassing and pjd should be ashamed of it. I even looked up his comment on federal employees not getting their single payer and he's dead wrong on that. From what I have read and researched, it is clear that federal employees enjoy all their benefits courtesy of taxpayer money while the rest of the employeed in this nation lose our money to Big Insurance provided the company provides any benefits and so too does the employer. What does pjd care? He sounds like another federal employee insensitive to people's feelings and thinks conservatives are just plain dumb. I looked back at what my niece wrote on this site and what she emailed me privately about her take on conservatives and I was shocked at first but I think she's right. They would be liberals and progressives if that confidence were given to them. The same thing goes with single payer. Present it with confidence and stop saying mandatory too much on it because it isn't mandatory for the most part and even conservatives will like it because they will know that it fits their thoughts too.
The wording in Obamacare or any state or federal bill is only one aspect of the bill. The dynamics of a bill are just as consequential as the words.
OBAMACARE:
The 2000+ page Obamacare Manifesto wording consists primarily of regulations (mostly written by the insurance industry), some of which appear beneficial to patients until you read the fine print.
Because federal funds and mandated private funds being handed over to private insurance and drug companies are the primary dynamic of Obamacare, that dynamic dictates that those industries will spend more and more as time goes by lobbying and bribing politicians, tweaking any ambiguity in the Obamacare's wording in favor of the industry and against the patient.
STATE REGULATIONS:
Yes, it is possible that court decisions and state regulations (that emerge to address Obamacare issues) will have language that at some point could be construed to outlaw single-payer or other real health care reform.
The dynamic of state regulations will, however, be that the first state to adopt single-payer will become a magnet for business, primarily small business. The current condition and Obamacare both add a great burden to small business and make them far less globally competitive. As many small businesses move into the first single payer state, ambiguous language in other states' laws won't matter as voters in those states pressure law makers to adopt single-payer to keep them competetitive.
The second paragraph you stated under the section OBAMACARE is important and this is where supporters of the bill don't take note. There may be studies showing that supposedly 10, 15, 32, or whatever millions will benefit from this regressive legislation but what is never said is where they get those numbers from. I remember similar numbers being reported for benefiting under public option. Well, if public option is out and Big Insurance still has control and there are a few toothless rules and no penalties against them, then what is the guarantee that those millions will benefit? Furthermore, just forcing them to buy shoddy insurance does nothing to guarantee coverage. Big Insurance can still rig the game to their liking as long as they can profiteer and aren't held accountable for corporate misbehavior. That of course is before they use all the "free money" to bribe and lobby Congress for more goodies at the expense of the citizenry.
And also, the Governors idea that the healthcare access crisis can be solved through "medical savings accounts" is laughable. These days, it is all most people can do to put an inadequate amount away for retirement.
And, this "fittness program" is another absurdity. Everyone I know who have gotten chronic and terminal illness so far have been pretty trim and fit.
Yes, Democrats and Republicans have both perfected the art of blaming the victims of doctors, insurance companies, banks...
jlocke123
"After reading this story, can someone please explain to me again what great historic victory Obama accomplished with his health insurance reform?"
Thats easy!
He has managed to...
A. Start a new Civil War in our country
B. Subvert the Constitution and change our legislative priocess to allow control with fewer votes (the Republicans are going to LOVE that part)
C. Raise health care costs and premiums on every citizen.
D. Bankrupt our country.
E. Reduce the number of people that will get health care in our country.
F. Turn control of the government back over to the Republicans in short order.
I could certainly go on, but its getting depressing.
To add insult to injury, as soon as Obama signed Obamacare into law he cancelled diplomatic missions to embark on a nationwide Obamacare PR trip that will add more expense (with no value added) to Obamacare.
raydelcamino
I agree. Isn't it strange that he did this before the bill passed and couldn't convince anyone and now he is doing it again when people are actually finding out the truth of this cookie monster? Just doesn't make sense.
We may be seeing the beginning of a march to a Constitutional Convention. Something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime.
Insurance is a legitimized "protection racket" run for the benefit of the organized criminal gangs that run the insurance industry.
If anyone else did what they do, the government would prosecute them under the RICO laws.
"The new health care reform bill bans retroactive decisions by insurers in policies sold to individuals, except in cases of fraud. However, as it stands the ban would not apply to group policies, such as the one held by the Galeotti family, which cover some 150 million Americans."
Little by little details like the one above are oozing out of the legislation just passed and making their ways into the public limelight.
Of course Obama, Pelosi and Reid didn't want all these little factoids to be discussed PRIOR to any vote, eh?
Just yesterday I was listening to Randi Rhodes and she was squawking about how, "STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPT OF THE LEGISLATION NOW!!!"
Really? That is not clear at all at this point. If that were true, then why was Kucinich making that one of his demands for giving the bill his "yes" vote? (That he apparently did not get....all he got was a ride on Air Force One and a stupid hat).
I sent an email yesterday to NPR "All Things Considered" asking that they do a show regarding the "states rights to opt out WITHOUT THE THREAT OF LAWSUITS FROM FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE CORPORATIONS".
We need to get this cleared up ASAP, as states like California and Pennsylvania are marching ahead with their Single Payer plans, bill or no bill.
But it will make it all the harder for the citizens/legislators of those two states if the deep-pocketed insurance corporations are allowed to fight Single Payer with endless lawsuits.
If anyone on this thread feels they have any "conclusive" information on this, please share it with the rest of us.
And with Randi Rhodes.
Health insurance corporations are in the business of making profits. To do so, they deny health care. That's why we need single payer health care---not INSURANCE! but health CARE!
Our corrupt Congress, with their pockets full of billions of dollars of corporate 'donations' to their campaign funds, put single payer 'off the table'. Half of these 'Representatives' will be up for re election in November and they do not deserve your vote.
It is obvious that they voted for the corporations and not the constituents. If your 'rep' also voted for the bankster bailout and the surge in Afghanistan, you must not vote to allow them to continue to be in office. We need to kick the corrupt out of Congress and replace them with people who will vote in the interests of the real breathing people in their districts---not those business organizations that the Supreme Court ruled are persons.
And don't vote for the other corporate party candidate. One corporate party or the other have been taking turns representing the interests of the corporations. They put on a big phoney fight before the elections to confuse you and make you believe there is a difference between the two heads of the same corporate beast that has devoured our democracy.
Vote minor party or independent. Don't vote to allow the corrupt scum bags to stay as 'honorable' members of Congress.
Greed is good!
The bottom line is the insurance companies primary focus is to make money, not ensure care for the masses. They make money by taking money from citizens and disbursing it to physicians and hospitals, meanwhile, taking a cut (roughly 20%) for themselves for the disbursement process (which doesn't come close to costing 20%). They seek to enrich themselves as much as possible ("Greed is good") while providing the least amount of benefits possible. Mandating citizens to pay these crooks is a sellout to the public.
from the article:
"San Francisco General Hospital admitted Galeotti on Feb. 27, 2007. She had been run over by a large sport utility vehicle in an incident that police described as a fight between two romantic rivals. "I was conscious enough to hear my friend saying 'Don't die on me, hon, don't die on me,'" Galeotti said in a recent interview."
wtf?
"She had been run over by a large sport utility vehicle in an incident that police described as a fight between two romantic rivals. "
Don't the people who caused the injuries have any responsibility or liability in this matter?
Sounds like criminal liability. Whoever ran her down MAY be facing a criminal trial.
It's really very simple. With virtually no constraints on corporate behavior, the U.S. capitalist system operates on the basis of fiduciary responsibility (i.e., the maximization of corporate profits) almost exclusively.
The outcome is neither an aberration nor the fault of those who fulfil their fiduciary responsibilities accordingly. In the prevailing circumstances, it's the inevitable result of the capitalist system itself. Furthermore, the creation and maintenance of those unconstrained circumstances is also entirely consistent with the aforementioned fiduciary responsibilities.
Most of capitalism's original theoretical advocates, including Adam Smith, foresaw and understood very well that moral deficiency in areas of public interest and the commonweal, and many countries (notably those with with "mixed economies") still do.
Americans may not be uniquely blind, but they seem quite determined to avoid the larger picture, or at least to let themselves be distracted from it, and to "globalize" their lack of vision, even by force of arms where necessary. That too, one must conclude, is consistent with the established pattern of fiduciary aims and their virtual deification in U.S. mythology.
The "health care" situation is merely one symptom among many, albeit one that may cast more light than most on the underlying core issues. Whether that light will be sufficient to impel any real change where it actually matters remains doubtful.
Good points RV, Smith was a moral philosopher; the parts of "Wealth of Nations..." that outline this are largely omitted in econ courses. Only the bit about the invisible hand is cheerypicked.
You place this issue in significant context, which sadly, is seldom done by journalists, even many on the so-called Left.
Unfortunately, "many on the so-called Left" are at least as big a part of the diversionary fragmentation problem as those on the right. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, the plethora of diverse and divisive "special interests" make any effective focus on the underlying systemic problems nearly impossible.
speaking of that, did you read the Loeb article today, and the author's post?
Did now and commented.
Just a note here about Kaiser: my girlfriend's late husband was dying of lung cancer. While there was no way the doctors at Kaiser could save him, Kaiser did the absolute minimum, almost up to the end, to relieve his pain. Their behavior was a disgrace, right down to once leaving him in a busy hospital corridor on a gurney for hours before checking on him.
"Hey, nothin personal, this is just business"
The bill recently signed into law is some 2700 pages. Even with this it filled with loopholes that will be exploited for years to come which will be addressed with even more pages of legislation.
The Canadian Bill is less then 20 pages yet seems to allow far less in the way of "loopholes"
The "Complexity by design" that is the US Bill can ONLY be because BY DESIGN it intended to be a Bill to enhance the profits of the Health Insurance industry at the COST of the health of the patient. By design the "legalese" will ensure massive profits to the Insurance industry and to the lawyers.
Thank you GWNorth for bringing some sanity to the discussion. Some people think that this 2700 page bill is a step towards single payer but it isn't. 30 pages of single payer on the other hand they call radical or say "wait until next time" ! Well, looking at these countless tragic events, let's see them say "wait until next time". Single payer, not Hillarycare or Obamacare, should have been the law of the land a long time ago but now thanks to this 2700 page garbage, and I read the whole thing, insurance is about to become a mandatory scam.
No this bill isn't a step toward single payer. However, there are numerous, various, broadly-worded bills, moving through the state legislatures ARE a step, a big, and deliberate step, against single payer. and if pro-single payer people fall for them they are fucking idiots.
Which states are you referring to ? I will be glad to look at each one and tell you which ones I agree with you on and which ones I disagree with you on and why.
Making provisions for the equitable funding of actual health care is relatively simple. Providing increased sustenance for the U.S. financial industry's insurance cartel, on the other hand, is much more complicated -- especially when it must be accomplished in disguise.
GwNorth
You sir, are correct. That is exactly what this bait and switch devise is.
I'm still waiting to find out what their plan is when our Doctor's refuse to accept insurance under this law.
I wonder how many folks reading this and the other insurance related item have completed an Advanced Directive, filed it with the proper authorities and carry a small notice in their wallet or purse that summarizes it? How many have even given much thought to this very important document, which is every bit as important as a will? Make certain you consult your state's Advanced Directive criteria as each state's law has its own nuances, just as with wills and trusts.
Good advice karlof; I am still (relatively) young, but one never knows...
and given the vampires waiting out there to drain every last drop, this is an important document to have completed, just in case.
It's the ONLY way to ensure your desires regarding resussitation and extent of treatment. Completing an Advanced Directive means confronting one's potential death from massive traumatic injury or debilitating disease, etc., which is very hard to do when young.
vEMPIRE your word.
PRIVATIZATION is a crime against humanity perhaps the greatest.
All derive & is Connected.
everything flows from that, my very freedom to be to think to speak to feel & move. just some of the elements of our CONSCIOUSNESS they are constantly & ruthlessly assaulting through legal, judicial, economic, military, environmental, medical subterfuges.
Today they decide if a woman can or cannot deliver a child, tomorrow they will decide if it is a male or female they want her to carry. Depending on the war, the leader of the day fiction perhaps I think not. connect all of them & the power they have is almost beyond words.
vEMPIRE how ironic the concept of blood transfusion.
The Health insurance Pharma-Corps & other fixers who take
gallons of our blood in exchange of droplets.
will no doubt attempt to impose their inhuman template
in the frame work of the neo liberal
project in terms of privatizing & controlling all.
Warning for the French the German the British the Spaniard the Greek the Canadian & everyone it is in the logic of things that insurance and pharmaceutic Corps are and will not look tenderly at those who have adopted a slightly different journey when it comes to dealing with the health of their citizens.
One can only close ones eyes with horror when it comes to the faith of third world countries. Some of these corporations including the industrial military complex have already a track record of experimenting from LSD to microwave technology nerve gas & nano on their own people including soldiers, operatives, civilians or commonly called consumers and populations in Vietnam, Iraq & others elsewhere, certain medical institutions prisons & yes downtown in the mist of normality and business as usual.
from the soviet union to Germany Italy Spain, China all without exceptions have committed the unthinkable against their own populations and others.
No government no corporation no priest no judge no leader deserve absolute power not even a whisker including our current vEMPIRE with its canines penetrating the land of our flesh in the shape of military bases bleeding every resources there is to spoil.
long live the new world order.
Dick Cheney was right it PAYS to travel the dark side. As for Friedman and Ramsfield defense, health education, labor vision common-dreams & our souls R the next markets, than again it's happening.
In spite of all let us breath & smile The greatest news of all
PEOPLE CAN SEA @LAST.
In Soulidarity.