Investigation should conduct to make sure no president doing same mistake in future.

It sounds like the Obama Administration should get rid of FOX News and the other traitors *before* they start cleaning up the crimes of the Bush Administration.

I heard Rupert Murdoch was giving high level US government secrets to China, in return for concessions on setting up his TV and newspaper networks there.
Obama should take him in for some extreme interrogation, and find out what he has told the Chinese (including his wife/spy).

Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh also have ties to noted criminals and rogue nations like Columbia, Honduras and Russia. They should all be taken in for extreme questioning and possible imprisonment

If the Democrats don't play hardball with the Rethuglicans, in a few years they will be trying to impeach Obama for not enforcing the 'torture laws'.
Anything to win an election, as the Grand Oil Party says.

"The alternative, Nadler said, "would be violating the law. They would be not upholding the law; they would be violating it."

Hasn't every president, since Richard Nixon, violated "the law" and not been held accountable for those violations by our spineless, "co-equal" branch of government, otherwise known as Congress?.......The same co-equal branch of government which over the years has led many people in this country to believe that it has the "prerogative" and not the "obligation" to hold the executive branch accountable for breaking the law?

Checks & balances? The 1787 doctrine of the separation of powers - to "preclude" the exercise of arbitrary power?

What part of this doesn't Congress understand.....or are its members simply refusing to uphold their obligations under constitutional law for the citizens of the United States? Didn't we hire them to protect us from arbritrary power?

As Rousseau said: "There is no subjugation so perfect as that which keeps the 'appearance' of freedom, for in that way one captures volition itself."

The saddest joke of all is that to try the Bush administration for its many crimes in any other forum than the Internatoinal Court of Justice would be a mockery of justice.

The USA is not a 'nation of laws' it never has been and may not have enough time left to it now----to finally achieve that.

The USA is very good at reinforcing my often repeated statement;
"If the USA were another country; the USA would invade the USA to keep the rest of the world safe"

Good Luck America, you really need it.

Ragdoll

When the Libyan held responsible for the Lockerbie catastrophe was granted compassionate release by Scotland, Secretary Clinton and families of the victims in the US were crying out for the letter of the law to be applied absolutely until the man's last dying breath! And it was all over the media in the US.

But when it comes to such crimes as pre-emptive war in Iraq or torture or other violations of the Geneva Conventions by the US presidential administrations, it just never seems "convenient" to uphold the rule of law and we are served over and again the tired old cliche about "moving forward."

Ragdoll

When the Libyan held responsible for the Lockerbie catastrophe was granted compassionate release by Scotland, Secretary Clinton and families of the victims in the US were crying out for the letter of the law to be applied absolutely until the man's last dying breath! And it was all over the media in the US.

But when it comes to such crimes as pre-emptive war in Iraq or torture or other violations of the Geneva Conventions by the US presidential administrations, it just never seems "convenient" to uphold the rule of law and we are served over and again the tired old cliche about "moving forward."

Try 'Em & Fry 'Em

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

Could we get clear on something, nobodyknown? There is no democracy in the United States. I appreciate that you, I, we must go on pretending that there is, since the reality is so god-awful and such a rebuke to what Americans think is their proud history that you'd practically want to shoot yourself sooner than think about it. But it really is high time we stopped bullshitting ourselves. For just two lousy, obvious examples: (a)The 'public option' re health care being kept off the table and shit upon from a great height by all these insects who are going to drive this health-care-as-commodity thing to the point at which the population of the country is going to start dropping like flies, and then so will whatever productivity exists in a land that's outsourced everything, so will consumerism, so will 'national security'. A hefty majority favours universal health care. How much democracy are they getting? (b)
Pandora's Box is open. Get used to it. There's no fixing this fucker, i.e. returning it to some former 'normalcy'. The system, of which Obama is, perhaps reluctantly, a cheerleader, is completely screwed, and thoroughly screwing us and the world. There is only ditching Imperial America and putting one's shoulder to the wheel of David Korten's 'Earth Community'. For god's sake, check the book out. It's only one of the most important publications, if not the most important, of the last 100 years, that's all.
Pelosi is guilty of treason. The second she opened her trap and said impeachment was off the table the morning after 'winning election', I had zero doubt about her guilt. 'Political complications, etc., etc.' be goddamned.
jlohman, 'vindictive' re Bush??? Are you kidding?

The bottom explosions are clearly visible on the unedited tapes first seen and broadcasted. Evidence of thermite is very evident in some fires of molten metal took days to die down, only heat above 3000 degrees Celsius can do that and the best heat from burning oil is about half that,plus the matter of cleanl cut girders is a dead give away because nothing except thermite can do that, thermite can reach 5000 degrees Celsius and more depending on the type of thermite used. Try to follow the story of the clandestine movement of nuclear weapons sometime back. Would they be destined for BLACK WATER or some outfit like that and who in the military made those moves, or is McDONALDS NOW IN CHARGE? The only thing these criminals are good at is murder and coverups. The COWARD OBAMA and almost the entire government including the top military are supremely guilty of the most HIDEOUS WAR CRIMES EVER PERPETRATED, every crime ever imagined, they are disgusting!!

I think in the case against Bush it would be a lot easier to defend the illegal invasion of Iraq position than illegal torture. Not only is it easier to defend, it is by far the greater evil.

But both are in the category of not gonna happen.
Obama was quite chummy with Bush during the transition period.

Every President sees himself as possibly ending up in the same position. I think it is an unwritten code of conduct that President's don't pursue criminal charges against their predecessors.

I wonder what would be worse, to be tortured and then released because you were tortured illegally or to be imprisoned unjustly for 22 years or possibly the rest of your life for a connection to terrorism that did not exist. Yes, there are many Muslim U.S. citizens suffering an unusually cruel, long, sentence, not in Gitmo but in U.S. Federal Prisons,because of the Bush Administration's need to look like they were tough on terrorists. Muslims who did not have a connection to terrorist or terrorism. But if President Obama gives any of them a pardon then the Republicans will scream "soft on terrorism, Democrates are soft on terrorism". That might hurt the Democrat's chances of keeping a lead in Congress to vote for domestic policies that will make life better for Americans such as decent programs to help the poor, sick, elderly and the disabled in America. The people the Republicans only use(deceitfully) when they want to defeat a Health Care Reform Bill or other compassionate social program. I see Obama's dilema about not investigating the Bush Administration. Many Americans do not care that Bush broke so many laws. Obama will look unamerican to them if he proves it to the world. Obama would need to have faith in the many voters who are informed enough to understand that he must do what is ,right and just, under the law and not what is politically advantageous. He must investigate the Bush Administration.

PHOTO CAPTION

Following a private White House meeting with Obama, the anxious former President cowered behind a bush, saying he feared "litigious prosecutors." In a striking display of bipartisanship, President Obama personally soothed Bush. "I've got your back," long range mic's heard the President say, followed by the assurance that, "By God, this hounding of you over the past WILL stop on my watch."

How can Obama/Congress investigate Cheney/Bush for the same criminal policies/actions that Obama/Congress are still allowing and encouraging to be committed? Wouldn't Obama have to be investigated for the same criminal charges?

ThomasJefferson... August 22nd, 2009 8:35 am.....Very important documents....6 years of research and 400 footnotes. This will amaze you...do not let the length stop your reading.......

http:/www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/
Collateral_Damage_911.pdf

Hooray for Rep. Nadler.

Keep up the pressure for investigation and prosecution.

Keep asking ALL politicians at ALL public events "Why do they support Torture?"

If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws They Support Torture.

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes
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"...he argues that there is a moral and political imperative - lest the precedent be set that potential illegalities go un-probed."

Yes. Exactly. That's Government 101 stuff and I was truly shocked when Pelosi and then Obama seemed to decide being pleasant to their collegues was more important than justice. A terrible, terrible precedent to leave something so grave pass into history without action against those who violated the law, as though torture was just a social gaffe.

All Obama need do is give the Justice Dept. the autonomy it should have. Let the investigation go forward and let the chips fall where they may. It seems pretty likely there's more to the authorization to torture than there was for a criminal investigation of Whitewater, and look where that led!

It's truly amazing! Obama pretends that he can refuse to prosecute Bush and Co., for their torture, etc., on the grounds that it would lead to accusations from the Right, that it would all be motivated by the desire of democrats to exact revenge over Bill Clinton's impeachment. What "desire to exact revenge" is the administration referring to? It wasn't just that the American people were made fools by a bunch of despicable and hate-driven right-wing politicians, during the Clinton impeachment trials, it was also, that the public was (and still is) continuously subjected to a campaign of Clinton bashing from all sides, so that the mention of the Clinton name, Hillary or Bill, creates, even among their defenders, a feeling that something demeaning and humiliating is about to be said. Even buffoons like Bill Maher, cannot oppose the hateful drivel that his writers force Maher to mouth, against, particularly Bill Clinton.

The point here, is that Obama need not fear blowback from the republicans, over the impeachment. A huge number of democrats bought into that impeachment, and can't stop thinking about blowjobs, and the "hateful bitch," they're constantly told, Hillary is.

Obama will never prosecute the Bush gang, for anything. Obama has been in office a short time, during which he has, in effect, conceded the government to the right. The absurd ongoing efforts to apologize for this quivering greenhorn are truly dismaying. In spite of this largely successful effort, by the republicans, to demean and diminish the Clinton name, Hillary won the "popular vote," against Obama, when they competed for the nomination.

I don't know why people in the USA think they are trying to 'regain the moral ground' when for so long they haven't had any despite what they may think.

Only Nazi's torture?
Well right after WW2 the USA actively recruited ex-Nazi soldiers and members, using them in all sorts of things from rocketry to espionage. (project Paperclip)
The military, CIA and government actively covered up or ignored their wartime involvements such as with Reinhard Gehlen who the USA utilised to create the Gehlen Organization which also imported in a lot of ex-Nazi's such as Alois Brunner who was/is a Nazi war criminal held responsible for sending 140,000 people to their deaths in the Drancy internment camp.

The USA has cozily feted and deliberately sought after these individuals and their 'talents' to further the glorious aims of the USA.

Other places the USA has gone for inspiration has been good old Britain too for their insipid handling of suspected IRA prisoners.

Face it, the USA has been rotten for a very long time. No amount of 'let's bring America back' will work since it's so infested and the systems are either beyond redemption or just won't cut it in a world that's moved on and desperately cries out for an abandonment of all the crap that's gone before it.

It's no good beating a dead horse because you've already beaten it to death, BBQ'd the carcass, sucked the bones clean of marrow, and now you're being poked about with the sharpened skeleton as you begin to starve.

Any efforts to 'return the system to what it was' will just perpetuate what's gone on before, and don't the power mongers, elites, and bankers love that?

By all means all attempts should be made to prosecute those responsible for all manner of heinous activities but I'm pretty sure you're not going to be allowed to get very far. Perhaps a minor sacrificial lamb or two will surface but in the main things will pass by and be replaced by greater 'urgencies', real, imagined, or created.

Sure the lingering stench of what the USA has done, is doing, and will continue to do carries on and decent people of which there are many recognise all of that for what it is but unless something of a huge public groundswell, a paradigm change of thinking, a different zeitgeist adopted, then you're just going to go on like this forever....and get worse.

You had the Klu Klux Klan proudly marching up en masse on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington in 1928, huge pre-WW2 Nazi rallies in the USA, and there's still a Nazi party in the USA today....the American Nazi Party....

Anyone surprised that Bush's grandfather dealt with/for the Nazi party?

For a nation that prided itself on supposed values it must come as quite a shock to find out that for the most part it's been a charade which only covered up America's empire building either by military force, economic warfare, subversion and assassination either directly or by proxy.

Couple that together with a ridiculous adherence to sky-god religion that cherishes ignorance over intelligence & human compassion, then you have a continuing festering abscess in your society that you'll never evolve from.

It's a pity because decent intelligent people in the USA have got plenty to offer the world rather than the war, famine, and pestilence that's got the upper hand at the moment.

George C. Brown - The authorization of the use of torture isn't the only thing of the Cheney/Bush Administration that needs investigating. Nor does this need to be partisan in nature: all Holder (or the Administration has to do [ or let
the Congress authorize]) is to appoint as many independent Prosecutors as might be required to have investigations of such things as authorization of torture, the firing of Federal District Prosecutors, the use of Emergency Alerts for political purposes or a real investigation of the facts relating to the 9/11 attacks.
I had a real hope that when we had a Democratic sweep of the 2008 Presidential and Congressional contests that things would change for the better - - so far most of the changs have been little more than window dressing, and K Street and the corporatizers are still running the show, to say nothing of "The Family" as well.

George C. Brown - The authorization of the use of torture isn't the only thing of the Cheney/Bush Administration that needs investigating. Nor does this need to be partisan in nature: all Holder (or the Administration has to do [ or let
the Congress authorize]) is to appoint as many independent Prosecutors as might be required to have investigations of such things as authorization of torture, the firing of Federal District Prosecutors, the use of Emergency Alerts for political purposes or a real investigation of the facts relating to the 9/11 attacks.
I had a real hope that when we had a Democratic sweep of the 2008 Presidential and Congressional contests that things would change for the better - - so far most of the changs have been little more than window dressing, and K Street and the corporatizers are still running the show, to say nothing of "The Family" as well.

Despite this article, I don't expect Congress to push Holder to conduct an honest and comprehensive investigation without fear or favor.

It just doesn't have big enough nadlers.

· Yr Obd't Servant

In the file photo from the Presidential Cloning factory model line up, wearing identical costumes, you can see the Bush model, standing behind the bush, and the Obama model standing behind the Bush. The face of the Obama model was given a slightly darker skin for voters to be able to differentiate between the models that are otherwise identical. A technical defect in reading scripts noted on the Bush model was corrected for the Obama model.

Not shown are the McCain model (whose artificial brain was misplaced), and its running mate, the Palin (who kept putting its foot in its mouth).

There were problems with the Clinton, which was seen as far too frightening, and it was decided that it would be difficult to pass it off as a human being.

But on a lighter note, as usual, Shakespeare warned us 400 years ago...

"Or in the night, imagining some fear,
How easy is a bush supposed a bear."

A Midsummer Night's Dream

The point made in the article is 100% correct. Politics are demonizing the process. It is up to the president to let the law take its course, his political advisor's feelings on the subject notwithstanding. If the US is to be a model of democracy,it must be a country ruled by law not by men.Bush made it a despotic, rogue like entity beholding to no law whether national or international, answering to his desires only. This has to change or the great democratic experiment that was the US of A is over.The president should go before the nation and tell the people that he will let the law take its course wherever that may take the country. He should make plain that he is subject to the law the same as everyone else and he cannot obstruct justice by letting politics overrule the law. It would help him if some other countries would start requesting information through formal channels as to when the US will live up to its requirements and duties under the various treaties against torture and war crimes it has signed. Maybe the president needs this formal demand to do the right thing.

Investigating the "torture allegations, will of course, turn out to be only the beginning. Once that door has been opened and a path laid down, we will find more doors.

However long it takes, a crucial door we will need to walk through has to do with demolishing the utterly flimsy and phantastic government narrative re- 9/11. This is truly a "conspiracy theory," that x number of hijackers did such and such, etc. The evidence pointing in a different direction is already in the public sphere.

And, it will not be fun to recognize where it leads and deal with the inevitable implications.

Well, don't we continue to live in interesting times.

Either we'll find out REAL SOON NOW whether Obama is a real human being who's going to try to screwdriver open the door to the start of straightening out this insulting shithole of a country (at least in the capitalism-run-amok/corporate governance/self-identity as an evilly narrow-minded, hyper-Jesused, hyper-militarized threat to the rest of the world, much of which is actually civilized compared to the U.S.), or he's yet another in the long line of puppets with guns to their heads, who shoots his face off with horseshit about hope, change, MLK, Jr., and all that crap.
We're going to find out if Obama has a spine.
Don't anyone hold their breath. I'm actually still, inasanely perhaps, giving Mr Obama the benefit of the doubt. I've been wondering since the election if maybe he's Superman, or SuperBarack or something; that he and his top fixers have an agenda to really have a crack at overturning the fucking Empire and start in to establishing what David Korten calls earth community, and that it will be quite gradually worked into place over 4 years, hopefully forestalling assassination, etc. along the way.
And then I wake up and ring up my therapist and book another appointment.
I fear the buck don't stop with Barack. I fully expect that we'll all get fucked over with some cock-and-bull story about how we mustn't squander precious political capital by going after the murderer Bush and his gang, that we must look forward and all that shit.

Political fortitude??? IF OBAMA AND HIS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO GO AFTER MORE EVIL PEOPLE THAN THEMSELVES, PEOPLE WHO WERE NEVER AS POPULAR OR AS SEEMINGLY RIGHTEOUS, WHO ARE GUILTY AS SIN OF MAJOR CRIMES OF TREASON AND AGAINST HUMANITY, AND UPON THE PROSECUTION OF WHOM RESTS THE VERY MEANING OF THE COUNTRY'S SO-CALLED FOUNDING PRINCIPLES, THEN IT IS GAME OVER.

GAME FUCKING OVER.

Will someone please explain to me why any of us should be polite, circumspect or politically correct about any of this any longer? It's way too late. If Obama's not to make himself a bloody liar in every word he said in the campaign and in the inaugural, AND I MEAN BLOODY LIAR WHO MLK Jr. WOULD RISE UP OUT OF THE GRAVE TO PISS IN THE FACE OF, then he needs to get the gloves off and get down on the fucking carpet.
Here's your chance, Barack. Political blowback??? NO SHIT. YOU DON'T SAY. FANCY THAT.

Frightened of Fox and their ignorance-mongering?? Sweet Jesus Christ. Pass executive orders. Revoke citizenships. Arrest Fox's 'people' on hate charges. Here's what you do with Fox: Blow back at them twice as hard, very publically. Have a goddamn war with Fox. Call them for the imbecilic hate-mongerers they are. HIT BACK. Just like you should have hit back over the health-care town-halls and failed to.
And if they want to say that it's payback for the Clinton impeachment, let 'em. Then straighten them out on that one.

Obama has great precedent for breaking the law: Bush doing it for 8 years right before him. What exactly do you think is the reason why Obama refused to prosecure Bush? So that he could do the same exact thing himself...duh!

How is it that "senior" Democratic leaders want an investigation NOW, when Pelosi reiterated several times that "impeachment is off the table"? The time to have acted was while the crimes were still in progress (if that is his conjecture). As another posting pointed out, Congress was itself complicit with at least MOST of what happened, albeit not all.

Jerry Nadler should FIRST start by introducing charges against Nancy Pelosi for refusing to fulfill her duties as Speaker of the House of Representatives, and not once, but several time twarting the attempts of Congressmen who tried to bring articles of impeachment to the floor.

Then, and only then, should the "honorable" (small 'h') Representative from New York worry about if the President is fulfilling his obligations of office.

Don't get me wrong. I consider the past administration criminal in every sense, but it is "history" at this point. We should have new investigations over 9/11 and I feel that the whitewash that occured in the 'official report' was made to influence the historical standings of the administration. IF we allow ourselves to get into the cycle where every past administration is 'investigated and prosecuted', we might as well put a 'banana rupublic' sticker over our flag. It is a very dangerous precedent to set! We need to READ our Constitution and hold each and every elected official accountable for his/her elected duties in a timely manner. Democracy is NOT a spectator form of government and REQUIRES citizen involvement.

Cheney was getting in Obama's face several weeks ago, Holder mentioned a special prosecutor and he shut his mouth.

A special prosecutor will end up appointed in a year or two; timed so that the meat is coming off the bone, a white skeleton of torture exposed in 2012.

Even Fox will find that hard to fix,
This is Obama's ace in the hole not to
be a one term president, given his betrayal
of his base. Blind Fool.

My compliments to the 1st 2 posts.

Well, yeah. But the bush to 1st investigate is that creep jeb in florida that set the whole stage for the fraudulent appointment of his brother and dick by his scrub lists, his connections with the voting machine republicans, es&s and diebold.

Then the attack of 9/11 can be investigated if for nothing else, just how 3 buildings were brought to the ground by undisputed demolitions, 2 of which were explosive and the other by implosive set charges and let this country see the tapes of what actually hit the pentagon which the fbi so conveniently confuscated and has withheld for so long.

That should get the ball rolling on w & dick's criminal careers, then we can start the obama investigations into why the financial disaster in current process was allowed to do so and the 'best and brightest' crooks that created it were NOT investigated and prosecuted but actually allowed to remain at their jobs of stealing from the people.

How can Democrats possibly investigate Bush war crimes if they themselves were co-conspirators, aiders & abettors?

Obama knows that. Democrats and Republicans started this and other wars for profit, so a real investigation is out of the question.

I just feel sorry for the stupid 60 million who voted the Black Bush into office. Blind fools. Nader and McKinney told you so.

There are laws for some and there are laws for others. You just have to figure out who are the some and others.

OBAMA is a hypocrite and a COWARD, the GENEVA CONVENTIONS clearly state if you don't investigate a war criminal you are one. In this case OBAMA THE COWARD is several times a war criminal. The entire USA is guilty of the most hideous war crime of all, deliberately STARTING A WAR FOR PROFIT (oil). The entire government should be on trial and the Government should recess until this nasty situation is resolved. Recent news releases have shown that 9/11 was a false flag operation.Link; http://newschief.com/article/20090812/NEWS/908125031/10. Read it and weep. no modern country has ever been so hideous!
Those people that died at that horrific event were more than likely murdered by their own elected officials!

According to the Obama administration there are so many cookies in the torture jar that it has a hard time to chose which one to eat. Moreover, Obama himself believes that all of the cookies are politically poisoned anyway and that eating even one of them will kill his chances for re-election in 2012. It is precisely the same "internal" argument used by Senator Obama and his advisers that voting against funding Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan might kill his chances of becoming our next president until it became clear in the summer of 2006 that voting for funding might actually kill his chances of becoming our next president so he once voted "nay". It is not until an overwhelming majority of American voters demands the investigation and, if warranted, prosecution of highly placed persons in the Bush administration and, if necessary Bush and Cheney themselves that our "Weathervane-in-Chief" might change his mind. My opinion is that this is very unlikely to come about. Hence the Obama administration will continue to hem and haw and its Attorney General will try to make us believe that a Prosecutor who is restricted by his rules is "independent". Independent my foot.
A political bombshell may descend in the form of a long-delayed report on "torture" on the White House and the AG (who has professed having been "shocked" by its contents) coming Monday. I wonder how our "Houdini-in-Chief" will try to wiggle out from under that apparently devastating report which will finally be made public albeit probably in a form severely castrated by CIA Director Panetta to save his boss from having to act. I am pretty sure that Holder has seen the non-castrated version.

cheney/bush criminal enterprise should be fully investigated. Start with this. Violations of U.S. Code:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C >§ 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

(b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—

(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.

(c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

Over 100 detainees died in U.S. custody. Every Enlisted member of the military is taught in bootcamp what you can and can't do to EPW/POW/DETAINEES in your custody. Any military member who was involved in any Detainee abuse should be tried under the UCMJ. From the lowest private to the President of the United States should be held to the same standard. The standard of Law.

cheney/bush/rumsfeld/ashcroft/rove/card/yu/addington/libby/gonzalez/bybee etc. should be fully investigated for criminal activity. When criminal activity is found they should be brought before the Courts. When found guilty they should be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. All wealth confiscated and donated to the VA. The guilty should only be let out of prison to go empty bed pans at NMC Bethesda and Walter Reed Hospitals.

Come on guys. Yea, I voted for Bush twice, and now wish I could have a do-over. I think he is going to go down in history as the most inept president in history. But I do not believe that we should be expending efforts to nail him for past bad decisions, and crush the CIA and FBI in the process. Bush bounced back from 9/11 in the best way he could. Let's bury this thing and move on to bigger and better things. Bush will get his due, but let's not be vindictive to the detriment of the country.

Yeah, like I know this guy, he murdered someone a few months ago. But hey, that's in the past and we must look forward. We can't be bothered by the 'rule of law' and other responsibilities.

Obama is a hypocrite just like previous Presidents.

Give credit to Nadler for spelling out the "reality" that political considerations and anticipated public reactions TRUMP the national interest, the rule of law and justice. Nadler was in a position during the last Congress when "torture" was in the public domain along with numerous other violations of the Constitution by the Bush administration to move for an impeachment investigation. He did not -- and in my one conversation with the Congressman [January 2008 in NH], he seemed not to be knowledgeable about impeachment. Nadler apparently wants Obama to move -- I believe he is still in a postion as a member of the House Committee on Justice to do more than he is doing.

Peace,
Herb Hoffman

Heck, no one should obey the law, no one should pay their bills, every one should cheat and get as much as they can get no matter who you screw especially if it is the government ( taxpayer citizens) since that is the example our officials set. Excellent anarchy and chaos-just what the system needs to recover, make a 5 year plan and be able to anticipate the rules of the road ahead. Labour is in the same boat-they should know what to expect from experience by now-the shaft and few job opportunities. I feel more secure already.
Cheers,
RR

Accessory after the fact
http://www.gpln.com/accessory.htm

Obama is not stupid. He has crafted everything from running his campaign to his presidency today. He chose Holder to head up the justice dept because Holder worked at a Washington DC law firm that represented GWBush in the Rove missing email case. He defended the RNC against many suits like the phone jammbing case in New Hampshire.

Upon entering his presidency Obama chose Holder because he knew that it was very unlikely unless pushed he would go after the last administration. Obama said "look to the future" and I am passing this to dead end Holder.

However the spirit of justice that statue with the scales is blind folded. She is blind folded so that she can not see if the prosecuted is rich or poor, black or white, holds power or has none. Without the equality of justice and we are so very close to that even without this issue then the rule of law fails.

Obama not seeking prosecution of crime as is his sworn duty is braking the law and braking the back of the spirit of justice casting out the rule of law and replacing it with president as King. He may wish he was on the field with Martin Luther King but as we know by now he is not even in the same league.Will we allow him to be the other kind of King?

500,000 unnecessary deaths in Iraq some very backward, picky, over sensitve radicals might just possibly find a crime in that USA made hell.

Afghanistan is going the way of Iraq or worse,( less resources to rebound with and much longer warfare) might be a crime in those untold number of dead civilians and dead nationalist freedom fighters.

JUSTICE!.....It's that simple....JUSTICE......InternationaL and domestic laws have been broken. If you cannot live up to your OATH OF OFFICE, step down and let someone with COURAGE take the helm, Mr. Obama. This is not a choice because of political overtones.....IT IS MANDATORY THE LAW BE ENFORCED.

Talk is cheap, Mr. Nadler. Where's the action?

And when, exactly, has Obama, since winning the election, shown any regard for the law?

Mr. Stein is in all seriousness entertaining the notion that Obama has political fortitude. Must be something wrong with that man Stein.

"From a point of view of reestablishing justice in this country, it is essential."

Yes, and from a moral point of view, it is also essential.

But justice and morality no longer seem to matter to the power elite who run this country.

perhaps a career change is in the making for. it goes like
this- push cart vendor in the dc area working between doj and
the whitehouse. product in demand? BALLS! GOT EM BY THE SET
DOZEN OR GROSS.free instillation included! lifetime guarantee!
need some focus group feed back here. what do you all think?

genicon
The real crime was not sterilizing the Bush and Walkers beginning with Prescott's generation, what a better world it would have been.
Now all we can do is wonder what vermin with those names waits for its time to come.

-- But Nadler is no dupe. --

Now why is this sentence here? Why is there the supposed need for the author to write this and then have to explain why Mr. Nadler is no 'dupe'? This is either sloppy writing or something more invidious.

"But Nadler is a realist" would say the same thing and not have any negative connotations, only positive.

Thank GOD...
It will be to wait and see how far it goes.
If it isn't done, we won't have a moral leg to stand on on anything. We 50 somethings grew up with one total constant...nazis torture, barbaric inhumane governments torture, WE don't torture. It's a line you don't cross.

THE OBAMA DEFENSE

I don't much like my next door neighbor, and I suspect he may be a terrorist. So tonight I'm going to torture and kill him.

I don't have to worry about facing prosecution. When they catch me I'll tell them it all happened in the past, and that we should only look to the future.

That's right, I'll call it "The Obama Defense."

In California we can't afford prisons anyway. Shouldn't the "forward looking" Obama Defense be reason enough to shut them down completely?

the alternative would be violating the law. this is news?

Here we are arguing about what is considered torture when we should be investigating goals outlined in the "original" Project for the New American Century" as applied by the Bush Administration.

The BIG LIE, to the people, to deceive them into a war without end!

That's the BIG crime! First things First!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Video on PNAC:
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=oSPqto796Lc