Aardvark ,

Your post should be re-written, carefully, because it doesn't make much sense, except in terms of what's happened in the past and you writing as if predicting the future will necessarily be the same. After all, the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and, now, Pakistan aren't over yet, but you say people are claiming "victory". Victory over what?

Bush basically claimed victory when he claimed "Mission Accomplished" in May 2003, but it was, at that moment, already obvious that he was talking nonsense, psycho-babble bs.

Another example I'll take from your post is the following words:

"Some returning soldiers declare regrets at "Winter Soldier" type events, but soon enough that is forgotten as the next poor country is set up for destruction."

Winter Soldier for the Iraq War of today couldn't be really forgotten. After all, the U.S. msm "news" media hardly published anything at all about the several-day event; instead, they focused on flooding their readers with the apparently concocted-to-coincide crisis in Tibet. Those of us who knew about the event beforehand or while it was happening may not have it frequently in mind today, but that's not quite the same thing as forgetting it. A lot of people, however, were focused, intensely focused on the crisis in Tibet, and the msm "news" media put all of its attention there, which served to help to keep a lot of their readers and listeners uninformed about Winter Soldier testimonies.

People really can't forget what they never knew to begin with.

Who's forgetting about "the next poor country" being set up for war, and which country is that, anyway? Everyone knows about Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the threats against Iran. A lot of people might not realise that Iran is within its legitimate rights, but surely everyone of adult age knows about the threats from Israel and the USA's dictating to Iran. So which "poor country" is next?

Perhaps a lot of people aren't aware of AFRICOM and the real purpose of it, and many people seem to have forgotten about what was done to and still is the situation for Haiti, though. This is in serious part due to the rotten msm "news" media again, too.

Your post seems to be of words of someone who's a little overly depressed and not thinking, certainly not writing, clearly.

MEET THE NEW CAP, SAME AS THE OLD CAP

NO CAP ON: WAR
NO CAP ON: BANK BAILOUTS
NO CAP ON: COLLABORATION WITH REPUBLICANS

CAP ON: WITHDRAWING TROOPS
CAP ON: HEALTH SPENDING AND STIMULUS MONEY
CAP ON: LISTENING TO PROGRESSIVES

MADDY ,

What makes you and other people who also speak of Obama as being naive about what's going on think that you're right? What makes you all so sure that he doesn't know what's going on, or doesn't know enough, even if he doesn't know everything? His cheerleaders among voters during the primaries last year bragged about how he's supposedly expert in law, which he should be, given he's graduated in law. So he therefore knows, should know law, but it'd be difficult to realise this if we didn't know that he had graduated from university in law, because his conduct certainly doesn't reflect that he has this knowledge or expertise. So he doesn't live according to his knowledge of law; therefore, and again, what makes you so sure that he's naive in what his administration is doing, with respect to these wars, especially?

I doubt that he's totally naive about that, but like many other U.S. Presidents, he may be sometimes kept uninformed about what the administration authorises without the president knowing about it.

F.e., VP Joseph Biden doesn't seem to see to keeping Pres. Obama informed about what Biden's going to claim about what the administration and therefore U.S. will and won't authorise. This just happened again over the past week, when Biden said the U.S. wouldn't do anything to oppose Israel striking Iran, and then Obama got the message out that his administration doesn't want Israel committing this attack and that it mustn't. Obama's message didn't say that he was making a prediction about whether Israel will attack or not after he, as U.S. Pres., said it mustn't; but he said it mustn't and that if Israel did, then it'd create major problems (inherently meaning for the plans of the U.S. and its ruling "elites") in the Middle East. By adding the latter mention of stressed concern, Obama's message was made more emphatic about Israel needing to not attack Iran.

Biden's words definitely contrast with those of Obama. But, then, did Obama know Biden was going to say what he did and all of this was, therefore, just another stage act; or was Obama unaware until after the fact, after Biden publicly spoke his words? I don't know; only insiders would. However, I'll guess and believe, until proven wrong, that Obama didn't know beforehand.

So, again, Presidents aren't always kept very informed about what the members of the Administration do and plan to do, until it becomes obvious. And I think that that is to be disrespectful towards the President.

But, anyway, I doubt he's as naive as people pretend. He must be somewhat naive, but not enough to not be guilty of having sufficient knowledge for real criminal guilt. He must know he's not a good and respectable President. He might wish that he was, but must know that he isn't. He might spend some time struggling because he'd prefer to not think about what he knows about not being a respectable President, but he must surely still retain sufficient awareness of what he must know about his presidential conduct, or misconduct, I should say.

He should critically objectively and acutely carefully listen to what retired U.S. Army Major General Stubblebine says about the 9-11 attacks; but maybe Obama is psychologically fighting against remaing "in touch" with reality, so that he can fancifully live in his sick dreamworld in which he dreams about becoming famous, as opposed to infamous, loved, instead of despised, thought innocent, instead of known to be guilty as hell, and so on. Struggling to be able to live in denial, iow.

We should remember the leader who got us into the Middle East mess in the first place, and, now Obama is so naive as to keep Gates, and the Generals , following the same path --- in their minds----to conquer. It also brings them closer to attacking Iran to please Israel.

I find it amazing how the past so easily is slipped into the "memory hole". Again and again the US attacks some poor country, reducing it to a basket case then, because of shifts in public sentiment at home, the war ends with declarations of victory, and moral success validating American ideals. Meanwhile the people recently "liberated" bury and mourn their dead and do their best to survive in their now toxic, destroyed homeland. At the same time in the US those criminals in charge go on speaking engagements and hit all the talk shows telling American audiences of their victory against the dark forces of EVIL. Some returning soldiers declare regrets at "Winter Soldier" type events, but soon enough that is forgotten as the next poor country is set up for destruction.

People like Munich and "follow the money" should,
if they're wanting to draw attention to important resources, clearly state what the links are for. Otherwise, it's easy for people to not bother checking what the links are for.

The video Munich provided a link for is actually very important. It's retired U.S. Major General Stubblebine who speaks very clearly, soundly, analytically, ... about there surely having been no airplane that struck the Pentagon. His analysis is very impeccable.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

ae911truth.org is Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, and they're very important in terms of their analytical and researched findings.

"But Admiral Mullen also said it was incumbent on the commanders to make sure that every US serviceman in Afghanistan was needed and he foreshadowed that there would be higher casualties in the tough and potentially long fight ahead in Afghanistan."

It will last as long as it takes to bring the empire down.
Just give them time---they know what they're doing.

This country is so screwed up by right wing propaganda and fake Christians telling us that they are the moral backbone that will keep America safe,that short of a massive peace movement , a 10 million man march to Washington, a nation wide work strike, these fools in Washington will play war for the next 100 years.

Fat chance Russia or China would send in troops to take out the Taliban. Or, would they do it for the same reasons of greed and territory.

And if we were to leave, and Russia or China move in, wouldn't we supply arms to the Taliban to help them fight the oppressors.
Hell ya, chaa-ching.

Its all Bullpoopi, we are not now , or have we been , fighting Terrorists, we invaded two country's using a pack of lies centered around the criminal action of 21 people on 9/11.

And to all you IAFF warrant less surveillance gang stalking non-patriots, I WILL NEVER FORGET what happened 9/11 and what torture you inflicted on me the last 2.7 years because of unchecked corrupt power of your leaders.

We will find out about 9/11, and you IAFF torture freaks will pay for your misguided loyalties and gang stalking torture crimes.
Hey , Firefighters and EMS workers, you work for the American public, we pay your salaries, how dare you act like gang stalking thugs and commit warrant less surveillance torture on innocent US citizens. Who the hell do you think you are, not to worry , what ever authorities gave you permission to conduct gang stalking torture are soon to be exposed for the criminals that they are, torture freaks.

America will find out the truth , and heads will roll.

The Patriot Acts will be erased from law and the Constitution will rightfully regains its true status as law of the land.

Warrant less surveillance will not be tolerated and those who pushed it and destroyed innocent lives using NSL letters will go to jail.

This is not Natzi Germany, and the SS warrant less surveillance police will be identified and chased out county by county....

Find a new country to move too , you warrant less surveillance torture freaks, your days are numbered.

Now , time is on my side, not yours.

"Oh my name is MacObama / I'm the bleeder of the land . . . "

It's all about body parts--when you blow up a vehicle no one can find the vitals--just stage the blast after you removed the best parts--all those drunking bumbs in DC need livers and such--This groupe of corporats are making the all-time best monsters of evil the world has ever seen--and you jst thought it was about murder and torture--RIGHT!

Just remember, every time we throw more kids into the Middle-Eastern meatgrinder, the Carlyle Group, et al., makes another ton of money.

If we committed peace, they'd have to make refrigerators, and where is the profit in that? Guy buys a refrigerator and keeps it for ten years. Guy buys a thousand pound bomb and boom! He's gotta buy another.

It all makes sense, if you know who is running the show.

When the US kills an Afghan, two Taliban-all who oppose the occupation, even if it is for their own good-emerge to replace him/her. Thus, unless we plan to lose this war, Admiral Mullen is correct, we will need more troops.

What you people don't quite understand is that it was Afghanistan who attacked us on September eleventh, two thousand and one. Or was it Iraq?

This is what the vast majority of Americans still believe. It was what this so called mainstream liberal media fed the people right after that horrid day. Until they understand what really occurred, then we will continue fighting these illegal bloody wars of agression

www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

No Afghani ever called him a "nigger".

We shouldn't be in Afghanistan and Pakistan and need to get out tomorrow if not yesterday. That is the main point. How we're doing, whether we're winning, losing, or sitting like a bump on a log with our mind in neutral is totally irrelevant. These wars are counter-productive. They hurt our country and turn us all into murderers of innocent villagers and wedding guests (five known weddings have been bombed by us so far). We bomb funerals. We bomb group activity of any kind . We're not sure who the enemy is but bomb and shoot anyway. We're DOPES! If you don't believe me put the words "Winter Soldiers" in a search engine and listen to the testimony. Much of it is about killing and maiming the wrong people in Afghanistan-- from anguished soldiers who had to do it. And what is the matter with our president? Is the trouble that he was a basketball player and therefore can only think of winning and losing? Sure I'm influenced by thinkers like Howard Zinn and Jonathan Schell, and all ideas may not be my own, but one of the most perceptive is this: That in modern American society has come a worshipping of superficial intelligence, of people who can marshall a lot of information in a hurry to support a specious point of view. Examples are the young Robert MacNamara and now, regarding Afghanistan, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Richard Holbrooke-- professional students in various universities but with no moral sense after graduation whatsoever. (And Republicans are so hopeless, morally speaking, that they don't even qualify for this discussion-- although I hesitate to say anything that mitigates the present lousiness-- "see, Republicans did it, too.") It's horrible! Obama, Clinton and Holbrooke are people who should know better and understand that the search for the grim phantoms who blew up the Trade Center is the last thing this war is about, by now. I've said before and I'll say again: The British burned the White House in the War of 1812, so if we're still going after people who smell like jet-fuel we should go after the Brits, too, those smarmy twits whose hounds-tooth jackets still smell of smoke. Instead, why can't we just try being reasonable for a change!?

"There is not a ceiling on troop levels," Admiral Mullen, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a speech . . .

Of course there isn't. SLOBama doesn't want to go the way of John Kennedy. And it's becoming increasingly clear that, like George Wanker Bush, SLOBama craves Glory in its crudest form. In 1999, The Wanker told Mickey Herskowitz, a Texas journalist, that the only way to become a really great president was to be a successful commander-in-chief. Even in '99, Bush was preparing for war with Iraq so he could go down in history as a Great Man. SLOBama has apparently acquired the same disease. As Michael Herr wrote in his great book, "Dispatches": "The animals are sick with love."

Wasn't long ago we realized that our control did not go beyond Kabul. Now we think in a few weeks or months we can turn this over to "local police"!

This is Obama's claim to fame now. He will be as well liked as McNamara and Bush shortly!

I feel so sorry for the people of Afghanistan!

We are here to help! (OURSELVES)

Hey, Obama...why not send your daughters?

Imperial aggression and occupation escalates and expands further under a D Congress and the right-wing Obama regime. Welcome to modern vulture-capitalist neo-fascist kleptocracy. All done with our tax dollars, in our name, and subsidizing the corporate crooks.

Hail the Empire!
Hail Caesar Obama!

Deja vu. I think we have been stuck in this rice paddy before.

The Wakan Corridor is that long arm of land sticking out of Afghanistan. It goes north east into China where the Uhgars are demanding human rights from the Chinese government. I wonder if there is a connection.