Liberals Voice Concerns About Obama
WASHINGTON - Liberals are growing increasingly nervous - and some just flat-out angry - that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.
Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the
wealthy and take on Big Oil. He's hedged his call for a quick drawdown
in Iraq. And he's stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts
of the left.
Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.
"He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment," said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.
OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: "Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?"
Even supporters make clear they're on the lookout for backsliding. "There's a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him," said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for America's Future.
Obama insists he hasn't abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the left's bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.
Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he won't enact the tax.
Obama's pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now he's struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling he'll merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.
Obama's post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed. As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.
Now Obama's says that on his first day in office he will begin to "design a plan for a responsible drawdown," as he told NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bush's defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.
The central premise of the left's criticism is direct - don't bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.
"There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet," writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. "What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?"
"Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn't seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives," Aravosis continues. "Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we're not seeing a similar ‘we can do it alone' approach in the transition team."
This isn't the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.
Now it's Obama's Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It's not just that he's picked Clinton and Gates. It's that liberal Democrats say they're hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama's team so far - particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.
"At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you don't think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause," said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. "The president-elect wouldn't be president-elect without labor."
During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The "card check" bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say - but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.
"It's complicated," said Tasini, who challenged Clinton for Senate in 2006. "On the one hand, the guy hasn't even taken office yet so it's a little hasty to be criticizing him. On the other hand, there is legitimate cause for concern. I think people are still waiting but there is some edginess about this."
That's a view that seems to have kept some progressive leaders holding their fire. There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it's just too soon to criticize Obama -- and if there's really anything to complain about just yet.
Case in point: One of the Campaign for America's Future blogs commented on Obama's decision not to tax oil companies' windfall profits saying, "Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes - even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations - is bad for the economy."
Yet Campaign for America's Future will be join about 150 progressive organizations, economists and labor groups to release a statement Tuesday in support of a large economic stimulus package like the one Obama has proposed, said Hickey, a co-founder of the group.
"I've heard the most grousing about the windfall profits tax, but on the other hand, Obama has committed himself to a stimulus package that makes a down payment on energy efficiency and green jobs," Hickey said. "The old argument was, here's how we afford to make these investments - we tax the oil companies' windfall profits. ... The new argument is, in a bad economy that could get worse, we don't."
Obama is asking for patience - saying he's only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.
Aides say he backed off the windfall profits tax because oil prices have dropped below $80 a barrel. Obama also defended hedging on the Bush tax cuts.
"My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they're not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans?" Obama said on "Meet the Press." "We don't yet know what the best approach is going to be."
On Iraq, he says he's just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn't ignite "any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests."
Obama has told his supporters to look beyond his appointments, that the change he promised will come from him and that when his administration comes together they will be happy.
"I think that when you ultimately look at what this advisory board looks like, you'll say this is a cross-section of opinion that in some ways reinforces conventional wisdom, in some ways breaks with orthodoxy in all sorts of way," Obama recently said in response to questions about his appointments during a news conference on the economy.
The leaders of some liberal groups are willing to wait and see.
"He hasn't had a first day in office," said John Isaacs, the executive director for Council for Livable World. "To me it's not as important as who's there, than what kind of policies they carry out."
"These aren't out-and-out liberals on the national security team, but they may be successful implementers of what the Obama national security policy is," Isaacs added. "We want to see what policies are carried forward, as opposed to appointments."
Juan Cole, who runs a prominent anti-war blog called Informed Comment, said he worries Obama will get bad advice from Clinton on the Middle East, calling her too pro-Israel and "belligerent" toward Iran. "But overall, my estimation is that he has chosen competence over ideology, and I'm willing to cut him some slack," Cole said.
Other voices of the left don't like what they're seeing so far and aren't waiting for more before they speak up.
New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama's economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy's "best and the brightest" team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees.
David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday's Washington Post that he is "not yet reaching for a pitchfork."
But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama's Cabinet appointments so far: "This Wasn't Quite the Change We Envisioned."

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154 Comments so far
Show AllTom Daschle is a good choice for HHS. He authored a book slamming the health-care industry in America and the insurance companies in particular. A good man on point for health-care reform.
You've got to love the boldness of this statement in the article:
"But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment," said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America."
Wow, such big dreams, Tim. Where do I sign up for the PDA? You've really inspired me.
Get off your knees, Democrats. Barack is the monster you all helped to create. The writing is on the wall, and you've got the George Bush III administration in the making.
Here's another monstrous quote from the article:
"On Iraq, he [Obama] says he's just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn't ignite 'any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.'"
Good god. Terrorism in Iraq that's threatening "our interests"? Why that's George Bush II's kind of talk. And it's nonsense, too.
Wake up, Dems! You've elected a neoconservative. And don't just sit there with that hopeful grin on your face. Get out there, and take the pitchfork and staves too. Ignore those who say wait. You've waited eight fricking years to be f**ked over again. Don't be a sheep. Start scribbling away to the Obama campaign right now. And I hope to see you all in the streets real soon.
-TIA
Was there really any choice in the election. The hope that liberals had was that Obama would bring in change. Y'all know EXACTLY what McCain/Palin represented -- more lies, more war, more global belligerence. With your vote for Obama you were at least hoping that Bush I, II, and III could end.
I kinda feel sorry for you guys. You trusted this guy and you are getting stabbed in the back now by the corporate fat cats who own Washington DC (and the world).
one thing is clear, if people can see through the "bigness" of america ....the USA is now, by historical terms, economic terms, definable as a FAILED STATE. it probably has been for some time now...except that the effects have not yet been so SEVERE as to literally cause people to know fear for their futures much more than they already are...americans are concerned about JOBS...but that is only the beginning.
the more obama or leadership tack to what THEY call "the center" (which is really a "gentle" way of selling RIGHTWING) -- the more the morass will increase and spread to the point that one day people will never be able to get out of it, as the country descends into a fullblown fascist state that is really corrupt, FEAR laden, and even brutal.
whatever the merits are of Democracy -- democracy in the USA has descended into a quasi- fascist display of ":election time" theatre run by corporatism helped by state institutions that , in reality, work hand in hand , in order to keep people subjugated and "in their place"..no matter how americans think it is "our country". they are OWNED by their masters.
and the leaders that are doing "what they can" to bail out organizations and industries - are only going to fail because the entire foundation - the idolatry of the "free market" on which the masters depend, is ITSELF a failure despite its "prosperous" PHASES .
it really should be looked at from the other side:
the "prosperous" times in america (albeit it has allowed it to be gigantic in its power) are really the ABERRATIONS -- the REAL PATTERN is that of CRISES UPON CRISES -- which , in every turn, brings out an INCREASING GAP of wealth and power between the masters and people.
they are trying to salvage something -- the "free market" capitalist ideology, even so far as nationalizing (although they won't SAY IT OUT, goodness, no-- people might notice the ones that REALLY get saved are the RULING CLASS ANYWAY with a few tokens thrown to the workers to pacify them for the moment and pretend a solution was made) -- that is UNSALVAGEABLE even as it careens the planet towards unimagined crisis we have not seen yet.
THIS -- i lay down COMPLETELY on the feet of capitalism.
the USA today is already a Failed State. it can't survive as a democracy or even as a "Number one" nation....more than 20 years, imo. even ten is probably closer ..and the reason is, the "govern from the center" is the kind of governing that HAS LED to the RIGHTWING morass that brought all this about...as well as already a kind of governing that is TOO LATE by at least 2 decades.
--------i hope i am wrong and that better times are coming with obama and a renewale of vision and hope and GOODNESS from americans and that the country has not yet been SO CORRUPTED as it seems to be.
but i can't help that nagging feeling , a very uneasy feeling of how things are moving....it's like the writing on the wall...
many years ago ...BEFORE the 2000 florida debacle that crowned George Bush - - i was telling friends of mine who laughed at me:
i told them - i don't know much - but from what i observe...this bush is UP TO NO GOOD. he WANTS WAR in some way ..and he is a man who is only waiting for a justification , something BIG enough to make himself a "hero"...and i told them, imo, that lies will be told, groups of people behind the scene will become better known who are behind wars, illegalities, etc....and LO and Behold -- when 9/11 happened, tragically so, even as i was crying for the people that perished and suffered...i never forgot that THAT was what george bush and his ilk were WAITING FOR...and i also told them , "that wall street that is so wonderful? ....that's just a bunch of criminals and thieves with fancy resumes who make things up ...make up wealth that is PHANTOM VALUE...and that's really worth LESS than half what they claim....one day that will implode and collapse like you havene't seen yet...and its effects will be global..." EXACTLY as we are seeing with the collapse of wall street and now its WAVES of DESTRUCTION spreading outwards..and they kept laughing because i supposedly didn't know a thing about economics, blah, blah, blah.
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well -- i was right -- i hope i am WRONG about the next coming years. but i don't see anything DIFFERENT in essence. the Careening cartwhile is crazily driving straight to the cliff , just the same......by Governing "from the center"....as they ALWAYS claimed. ..while maintaing and increasing the power of a system that is inherently PREDATORY.
sooner or later it will eat itself UP. that's what the United States of America really has become. a PREDATOR STATE. and it is a failed state because there is NO freakin' way other regions will allow it to go on forever like that, being predatory UPON THEM - so that eventually the USA will have to CONSUME ITSELF, unless it changes right down to its core from what it has followed all these generations:
the Rightward capitalist state that really belongs to the age of dinosaurs.
Any chance that in appointing these criminally war minded folk, he is only "keeping his enemies close"?
faint hope, clutching straw etc
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
White House Doggerel (in search of many more stanzas):
Obama's drama's wearing thin,
despite the birthday suit he's in.
And really he deserves much worse
than to be ridiculed in verse.
With the arrest of Barky's bud Blagojevich -- who should be singing by about noon tomorrow -- and the overdue disenchantment of such media masters as former shill-in-chief Frank Rich, maybe we can be spared the inauguration of The One? Here's hoping.
As for Blagojevich: if it was okay for mob-friendly Obama to buy the nomination of the formerly-Democratic Party (and the presidency along with it), isn't it okay for Blagojevich to sell one Senate seat?
Where are those who told us with such ferocity in these forums: it's not what Obama does that's important, it's what he says? Remember them? They didn't care about Obama's voting record in the Senate, they only cared that he made them feel good with his campaign speeches.
I told them that Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush also got elected because they made people feel good. It's called "marketing," and consumer products are sold every day using the same techniques.
Now their good feeling is being replaced with a sick-to-your-stomach feeling.
Maybe next time voters will realize that actions are more important than words, and record is more important than rhetoric.
Obama's 'transition' to stability is no change we can believe in.
Left Out?; Obama's Plan Unveiled?
The 'left' is out of any chance of influencing policy from the looks of the transition team's cabinet choices so far, and unfortunately it is in portions of the left that we have the only perspective on 'only priced goods have value' and such. We who breath might keep perspective on that, air being free and all. Metered air with a choice of vendors would not improve distribution, nor life in general. Free-Marketism is as foolish a religion as any other.
The foxes of deregulation are being put in charge of the financial henhouse. Wasn't Larry Summers at the World Bank when the worst restructuring re-bankrupt so many developing countries, forcing them to part with their raw materials at firesale prices? How can a guy ironically sign a memo suggesting that the developing countries are under-polluted, and that illness and death there would be less costly because of low wages, without some perspective on the limits of markets in assessing personal worth and environmental capital, and thus in guiding policy?
My only hope is that the phrase 'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer' is guiding the Obama team, and that 'you break it, you own it' is being applied to the financial realm now; that those most responsible for this situation will be taught, in place, to fix what they have wrought. I only wish there were grounds for this hope being real.
Now Nader has to call for Carter not to be snubbed again, and the USA is spending good public money after bad, corporate losses; and not for corporate ownership and control but for naught.
Isn't the Obama team's call, that we can not lay blame for the financial mess, just a call to surrender the intellect, which is not liberation, but its opposite?
Impeach Obama. You heard it here first. Laugh if you must at the thought of impeachment before a swearing in, but its never too early to start to replace an impostor with the real thing. 'Run Left, Govern Right' is not what I voted for.
Howard Zinn, Ralph Nader, Amory Lovins, Robert Reich, Norman Solomon, and Hazel Henderson should be in that cabinet. I should have voted for Nader. (Here in Mass. it wouldn't have mattered anyway.) Where's Henry George when you need him?
Humph,
Brian Cady
Obama still has Commerce, Energy and Interior I think. I am hopeful. He has 42 days before taking office. A bit soon to keel-haul him. He was elected to lead all of America, sadly this includes a hundred million or so tobacco chewing deer shooting Chevrolet Pick-Up driving rednecks and their wives and children. And he is their president. However he is a decent man. And this will be evidenced, but not before he has had maybe a year in office. Obama is wading into quick-sand.
Afghanistan and Pakistan and Iraq and Israel-Palestine. Those are the areas of course where he could show us, the world and God his heart.
And thank God he chose Hillary to deal with that quick-sand of foreign affairs.
Think she will be better than Rice? Obviously, and if everything he does is an improvement our world will be getting better fast. And she might be effective. She will do as instructed, she IS a woman and she might do her job well. She has not been sworn in yet.
Saneliberal. Someone and their cousin declare themselves as a entity like " Democrats for Progress" and we're supposed to read their opinion as if it MATTERS! I have never heard of the sources you quote as unhappy with Obama already - Progressive Democrats of America, OpenLeft Blogger, Campaign for America's Future - and see no reason to believe that 1) they speak for anyone other than themselves, and 2) that they completed high school. I do care what noted progressives in major media are saying and they are keeping their powder dry. Just cause you gave yourself a self-important name doesn't mean I should consider you important.
You've never heard of Progressive Democrats of America? Have you ever heard of Google?
http://pdamerica.org/about/board.php
No surprises here.
As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start.
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That's not what I recall.
I recall Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel (at the early Democratic debates before they were censored by NBC and AARP) pointing out repeatedly that both Obama and Hillary have voted to fund the Iraq occupation to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.
If that makes you anti-war then your logic must be very flawed.
I also recall Obama being invited to debate Ralph Nader at the "Third Party Debate" and not showing up.
The only "separation" Obama had on the issue of the Iraq war was in measurable physical distance from the candidates who actually opposed the war.
The inexperienced fighter thinks the fight is about "blows".
The experienced fighter knows the fight is won or lost before the first blow is thrown.
I still think Obama may surprise many - he's being handed the largest flaming bag of crap since FDR - I agree completely that "The problem is a military imperialistic government . . . over consumption . . . . and . . the corporate elite"; but I'm NOT going to write off Obama because he's not doing what you and other "progressives" would do in his place. He may be smarter than you. Then again, he may be a total shill for the "corporate elite" and be smarter than me (not that hard). But if I wanted to get a firm hold on this "military imperialist government" to then turn it in an increasingly progressive direction, WHILE it's a flaming bag of crap, Obama's choices so far make sense. The President's cabinet serve at the pleasure of the President. He can fire and hire any time he likes.
SuBastion,
Your words... "if I wanted to get a firm hold on this "military imperialist government" to then turn it in an increasingly progressive direction, WHILE it's a flaming bag of crap..." reminded me of the metaphor of trying to repair, replace, or upgrade the engines of a plane WHILE it is in the air flying...
Also, interesting that some suggest that even though his staff appointees represent the status quo, it is Obama's policies that will be implemented. At the same time Obama is back-peddling on his policies.
It was a sure fire thing that this is what we would get with Clinton. Folks supported Obama because there was a greater possibility that he would present an alternative, but even now he parses what the real definition of "change" is. What a dissapointment he is...Do you think he sees the writing on the wall?
To hell with Obama. The most important struggle in the country is what 250 workers at Republic Doors in Chicago are doing. They're declaring to the labor movement as a whole that it's time to stand with the independent energy of labor, or be bowled over by it. You can damn well bet Obama and every other hack politico will endorse it. They'd better. This is what pressure really is. The working class says to the United States, move it or lose it. Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down.
Of course he's a lying corporative scumbag. Upon what evidence did you expect anything different???
I'm not impressed by Juan Cole's words, and from what I recall he did some war drumming during the run-up politics to the launch of the war on Iraq in March 2003; even if he didn't only write in these terms, I still found that he sometimes did, and that's not tolerable, IMO. The way he did that war drumming, as I saw it, was in his flames about or against Saddam Hussein and it was definitely NOT an appropriate time to be attacking the Iraqi President in such manners when the U.S. elites were threatening to conduct and then launched war of totally criminal aggression against [all] of Iraq; except for the Kurds in the north, given they, their political leadership in that region of Iraq, that is, were strongly with the U.S. and have been throughout all of this war, so far, or most of it.
And I don't really care much for what David Corn thinks, and don't particularly know enough of Frank Rich's writings to be able to say more than I've sometimes agreed with him, as I've sometimes agreed with also Corn, Cole, and others.
BUT that's okay, for what we need to do is to seek information in order to be better informed so that we can then, ourselves, more competently think and make decisions, again, for ourselves, on our own; after becoming adequately informed. We mustn't let others make up our minds, but seeking information, qualitative analysis, ... so that we are then well informed is necessary. I appreciate people expressing their views, emotions, ..., like passion for victims of oppression, etcetera; but what I need to really make decisions is [information]. I'm also emotional, but have to think with the head, the mind, instead of letting others lead me as if I'm blind.
I agree with Tarsini, though only in theory, wherein he says that people upset about how Obama's proceding are perhaps being a little too hasty. In theory, he's right, for we all know Obama has not taken seat in the Presidential office yet. But that's the theoretical, whereas the reality-based, practical ... is different; starkly different. We mustn't allow theoretically valid views obstruct our vision when realities make those views theoretical, only. F.e., carefully read the following article, and I also read some of the resources referred to in this piece; and those are also recommended.
"Kosovo: A European Narco State",
by Tom Burghardt, Antifascist Calling blog, Dec 7 2008
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11323
The title of that important article may seem a little unrelated to this CD page, but is not.
The U.S. president does NOT rule. I do not trust Obama, never did, only thought he said spoke better in some respects than Bush, McCain, and Billary did, but only momentarily, for he mostly spoke in terms and in tone that told me to NOT trust him; my streets instincts considerably guiding me, let's say. Zbigniew Brzezinski will surely be seriously influential on Obama's team of foreign policy "advisers" or assistant directors, and he's spoken well against Israel's threats to strike Iran recently, but he's also author of the "The Grand Chessboard: ..." in which he strongly emphasizes the need to ... basically ... conquer Asia for its natural resources, minimally the vast amount of energy resources there; having also played a key role in causing Russia to invade Afghanistan, for Russia's a U.S. elites' target in that region of Earth. After all, it was a superpower and he definitely knew this, as also did others.
Obama's cabinet, the foreign policy team, is surely like some critical thinkers have been writing and that is that they are of the Iraq Study Group faction, the ISG headed by James Baker, of the GHW Bush faction, which was quite definitely against striking Iran, and which emphasized focus on Iraq's energy resources; Dahr Jamail having done an interview on the ISG's report and finding around 63 specific references to the "need" to secure Iraq's oil resources for ... for ... the West's Big Oil cies and related elites.
The two factions, neocons, the "crazies", vs the GHW Bush faction, often called that anyway, both have goals to be achieved only through wars, for it's the only way the goals can be achieved. It's that they work in different ways; but while both work in extremely criminal, hegemonic, deceitful, ... ways.
The U.S. President is NOT going to be the real decision maker.
Obama has indicated that he MAY (rather than WILL) revoke Bush’s ban on stem cell research; which not only deprived hope from thousands of victims with incurable or terminal disorders, but also defied the will of the majorities of the populace and congress.
In view of urgent needs to reverse the immeasurable destruction from so many of Bush’s unprecedented environmental and social abuses, such ambiguity is not a good sign and cannot be tolerated. Obama was propelled to the presidency because of the gravity of these abuses--and his promises to nullify them. He must be made to understand that his voters will rebel against him if this is a prelude to his mode of operation.
Missing Cindy Sheehan? Commondreams doesn't publish her anymore, but here she is: www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21406.htm. Much better site.
A lot of commenters are missing, too, all critics of the Democratic Party. Are they banned?
I don't usually bother with sites that are nothing but shills for the Democrats, so I'm going to go away, too, for the time being. It's been nice, but this site is just too conservative for me.
Oregoncharles
hi -- thanks for the link. I have also been reading that website regularly for some time now. here is another you might be interested in: GLobal Research.ca ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home
the page today has the article :
"the american financial regime".
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11339
What happened to Chris Hedges? His last article disappeared as did his entry in the list of writers. (I wrote CD and got no reply, of course.)
Sioux Rose
OREGON: I have shared correspondence with a few persona non grata and apparently things have tightened up. I just wonder if the command came from outside of the CD network. Remember how many of us joked about being watched and put on a list for having posted here? Suppose a shoe did drop?
You betcha things have tightened up here--major censoring. I have been banned already 3 times.
.Here I thought that this only happened at Democraticunderground.com, Opednews.com and Ourfuture.org. Oh wait, it seems we have a trend.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Time for some practical steps, rather than mere p*ssing-and-moaning:
1. Progressives have to show the Democratic establishment that they WILL walk if Obama fails to show more willingness to listen to their concerns. One way that they can do that is to start switching their party registrations - preferably to the GREEN PARTY, but at least to Independent.
2. They should also make it clear that they won't be sending any MONEY to the Democratic Party unless they have a clear place at the table.
3. If he's not naming progressives to meaningful policy positions, Obama should at the very minimum be meeting with progressive leaders. Here's a petition to encourage him to start doing just that, namely by meeting with Ralph Nader:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/obama-meet-w-nader.html
Agree with you and I think it won't take too long before Democrats
begin thinking of next election. They need huge turnouts to beat the
GOP/computer steals. Tho Dem Party is so corrupted it's becoming GOP.
The money is the thing -- but we need to BAR ANY CORPORATE INVOLVEMEBT
IN RLECTIONS, INCLUDING MONEY.
We need to support third party rxistence and work for IRV voting.
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
"One way that they can do that is to start switching their party registrations - preferably to the GREEN PARTY..."
Good luck. I predict glassy stares and confusion when presented with this option.
The time to switch to Green was before the election. We would have had much more of a running start with Obama.
But the time never seems to be "right".
Welcome to the real world. Your democracy is an illusion, you can only vote for those who have sold their souls to the ruling elite who control the money and media and determine who are the nominees and ultimate winners. Kind of like Irans democracy where the Supreme Leader approves who can run for President.
If you, MiMiCcS, voted for a third party or independent candidate in this last election, thank you. If not, if you voted for a main party candidate then you got the illusion that you voted for.
It is not correct that you can only vote for those who have sold their souls to the ruling elite. It is you who chooses to do so.
Democracy an illusion? I'm shattered, MiMi! Deep psychological therapy is called for.
From far across the sea, for decades I have worshiped America, that ultimate land of freedom, democracy and unregulated capitalism. I have watched and applauded while America saved the Vietnamese, the Koreans, the Afghanis and the Iraqis the trouble of destroying their countries and bringing their populations into line. I have watched America help poor countries by removing their resources and allowing their citizens to work for a few cents a day. I have watched the growth of SUVs in America, surely the ultimate symbol of wealth and power!
I can't handle any thought that America, the one God blesses on an hourly basis, has flaws such as an illusory democracy.
Look at Obama. He is a Democrat and he appoints pro-Republicans to help him.
Now that's real democracy!
www.dangerouscreation.com
Nothing will change. I've been a fan of the progressive movement due to their sense of justice, peace, and equility of opprotunity. But I've always felt that there is something wrong with the foundation of our society.
The foundation of our economy is broken, has been for a long time. The problem is the banking system and, specifically, the tool that runs it, the federal reserve.
I lost all faith in Obama when he ran right back to Washington to bail out the banks.
I'm actually tired of explaining why the way money is created is at the root of most of the economic problems in our country, and the world. I'm tired of being called a right wing nutjob by socialists because I agree with the libertarians on the issue of banking and the federal reserve. Socialists and progressives have attacked "unregulated free market" capitalism when they don't realize it was never a free market, it was crony capitalism with the financial establishment determining who gets what. Stop calling me a right wing nut job because I voted for Ron Paul... I voted for him because he made the most sense economically and he was for ending our empire, the two most important issues in my opinion.
You progressives need to wake up to the federal reserve issue. It is the foundation of the problems we face. With Obama nothing will change. Just like Clinton, it will actually get worse.
Call my economics crazy, but we can't afford this crap. During Obama's first term we will wake up one day to the collapse of the dollar. Then we will find out what it's really like to live in hard times. I'm ranting. I give up. I'm moving to grenada.
the only problem with ronpaul is that he is the "libertarian" as he says that really DOESN"T get rid of the financial system that is detailed and exposed in its morass as we see it today. he is STILL a "free marketer" of the "purer kind" which is CLEAR -- DOES NOT EXIST. it is in itself a manmade delusion. perhaps you will not agree....but people need to read why it can itself be easily undermined by the explanations of someone like Henry C K Liu who goes BEYOND the beginnings of WHERE ron Paul comes fROM which is LIMITED to the experience of the AMERICAN capitalist experience ONLY and therefore is too limited in its own world and historical view of a LARGER and far broader and OLDER reality of human organization and economies.
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The Complete Henry C K Liu
Dec 10, 2008
Henry C K Liu was born in Hong Kong and educated at Harvard University, US, in architecture and urban design. His interest in economics and international relations started when he participated in interdisciplinary work on urban and regional development as a professor at the University of California Los Angeles, Harvard and Columbia. He is currently chairman of a New York-based private investment group.
Beijing holds key to prosperity
China's best contribution to stabilizing the world economy is to develop the country's domestic market, raise earnings and pursue full employment - a strategy opposite to that being pursued in the United States. It should also cease importing dysfunctional economic systems such as predatory, neo-liberal, cowboy market capitalism. - Henry C K Liu (Dec 5,'08)
Denial amid the storm
It took more than a year for President George W Bush to belatedly acknowledge that the financial crisis resulting from decades of US irresponsibility is not merely a passing shower. Even then, the terms of his ideological surrender, bloated by self-deception, sought merely to perpetuate the causes of collapse.(Dec 4,'08)
Black hole gapes for pensions
Assets of public pension funds are crumbling - Calpers by 20% in its most recent quarter. Public employees now face having to contribute more towards their retirement schemes as the bankers responsible for the crisis that led to such losses are rewarded obscenely. - Henry C K Liu (Oct 30,'08)
Killer touch for market capitalism
The US government has predictably failed to jump-start credit and capital markets, failing to recognize that assets will stay illiquid until price adjustments bring about market transactions. Government monetization of illiquid assets will only prolong their illiquid life span. This approach risks the total destruction of market capitalism. - Henry C K Liu (Oct 29,'08)
This concludes a two-part series.
Part I: US government throws oil on fire
US government throws oil on fire
The US government, by continuing to misdiagnose the credit crisis, perhaps even purposely, has become part of the problem thanks to flawed responses backed by the people's money. On top of a trickle down of prosperity during the boom phase of the bubble in which wealth stayed mostly at the top, there will be a pouring down of the hot oil of loss on taxpayers. - Henry C K Liu (Oct 22,'08)
This is the first of a two-part series.
CHINA'S DOLLAR MILLSTONE
Gold, manipulation and domination
For China, the world's biggest creditor nation, to allow successful national development it must cease having its currency a derivative of the US dollar and stop relying on a US-dollar denominated trade surplus to finance domestic development. The historic role of gold and its manipulation tells it as much. (Oct 1, '08)
This is the fourth part of a continuing series.
Part 1: Breaking free from dollar hegemony
Part 2: Developing China with sovereign credit
Part 3: History of monetary imperialism
Too big to fail versus moral hazard
Alan Greenspan, when Federal Reserve chairman, noted that the US economy, "with its wide financial safety net, fiat money, and highly leveraged financial institutions, has been a conscious choice of the American people since the 1930s". The costs of that choice are coming headlong like a runaway freight train. (Sep 22, '08)
COMMENT
Friedman's misplaced monument
The University of Chicago's plans to establish a research institute commemorating economist Milton Friedman, whose now increasingly discredited influence shaped the world, are inappropriate. Opposition can help expose Friedmanite market fundamentalism as a device that rationalizes the exploitation of the many by a few the world over. More than money matters. (Sep 4, '08)
CHINA'S DOLLAR MILLSTONE, Part 1
Breaking free from dollar hegemony
China, by seeking growth through exports for US dollars, has trapped itself in a crisis-prone mismatch between domestic policies to assure sustainable growth and monetary policy dictated by dollar hegemony. Only sovereign credit can redress the numerous resulting problems, including a shortage of capital needed to develop its economy. (Jul 29, '08)
This is the first part in a two-part analysis.
CHINA'S DOLLAR MILLSTONE, Part 2
Developing China with sovereign credit
The privatization of China's public sector and opening of its financial sector to predatory global capital continues even as neo-liberals in the crisis-hit West clamor for government intervention. This is a con game China should not seek to emulate. (Sep 3, '08)
This is the second part of a four-part analysis
Part I: Breaking free from dollar hegemony
CHINA'S DOLLAR MILLSTONE, Part 3
History of monetary imperialism
Given US dollar hegenomy, China and Japan have little choice but to invest their export earnings in US Treasuries or other dollar-denominated assets. In consequence, China now lends to the US more than double the vast sums Washington lent to war-torn Europe in 1947 under the Marshall Plan. And the US is anything but war-torn. (Sep 25, '08)
This series will be continued
Part 1: Breaking free from dollar hegemony
Part 2: Developing China with sovereign credit
Debt capitalism self-destructs
With free-market capitalism turned into a gigantic Ponzi scheme, witness troubled mortgage guarantors Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the world is witnessing the collapse of the central banking regime that came into being in the US in 1913. At the same time, amid all talk of how to deal with the crisis, not one official voice is heard about the need to increase worker income. (Jul 21, '08)
Flat-earther blind to oil facts
Columnist Thomas L Friedman's demand that the United States set an oil-price floor of US$100 a barrel to trigger renewable-energy investments and end the country's oil "addiction" is worse than simplistic. The realities were clear three years ago when oil was at $50. Little has changed. (Jun 27, '08)
Fed and the strong dollar policy
US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke's need for lower interest rates to stimulate the US economy conflict with the Treasury's need for a strong dollar to deal with runaway oil prices. The Fed should recognize that its actions are misguided. The potential harm of a sustained weak dollar can make the credit crisis look like a minor storm. (Jun 17, '08)
THE SHAPE OF US POPULISM, Part 1
A rich free-market legacy - for some
The sight of businessmen such as E Stanley O'Neal of Merrill Lynch and Citigroup's Chuck Prince pocketing millions of dollars as they quit companies losing billions in value sticks in the throat of those whose money has been lost. Even some congressmen have figured something is wrong with such rewards for failure. Fair game, say others. (Mar 11, '08)
THE SHAPE OF US POPULISM, Part 2
Long-term effects of the Civil War
The present deepening and widening financial crisis is laying naked the wealth-making mechanisms of society's elites while wreaking havoc with the lives of low-paid workers. It is also making imminent a wave of populist reform that may extend for several decades. In this are echoes of the New Deal era and much earlier reactions to economic depressions. (Mar 13, '08)
THE SHAPE OF US POPULISM, Part 3
The progressive era
Ideological ferment at the close of the 19th century left the US with impressive political and economic reforms for future generations to build on. Yet fundamental issues - notably those involving race and economic centralization at the expense of economic democracy - dating back to the nation's birth have even now not been resolved. (Mar 26, '08)
THE SHAPE OF US POPULISM, Part 4
A panic-stricken Federal Reserve
The recent moves by the US Federal Reserve, amid fears of an economic depression, to inject liquidity into the credit market and to bail out banks and brokerage houses are looking more like fixes for drug addicts in advanced stages of abuse. But for neo-liberal market fundamentalists, the fear is not of an economic depression, but the populism that may follow it. (Apr 1, '08)
War and the military-industrial complex
After World War II, the role of defense spending in the US shifted from domestic economic stimulant to global geopolitical weapon. But while Ronald Reagan successfully used Star Wars to bankrupt the USSR, the nature of armaments has fundamentally changed with the arrival of biological and chemical weapons. Terrorism can only be fought with the removal of injustice, not by developing anti-missile defense shields and smart bombs. (Jan 30, '03)
The Bush plan: Global-scale disappointment
The world is at a very dangerous moment caused by violent political fallouts from the destructive economic impacts of neo-liberal trade globalization. All wait for the president of the United States to command the awesome power of his office to "think big" and lead the world to economic recovery. Instead, we are given the Bush "growth and jobs" proposal, which merely reinvokes dated supply-side theories and further enriches the rich. (Jan 9, '03)
US on Hong Kong: Calling the kettle black
A leading US newspaper has deplored "Hong Kong's current drive to enact insidious security legislation that threatens its people's freedoms", and George W Bush has reportedly phoned Jiang Zemin to express concern over Hong Kong's proposed national security law. That would be the same George Bush who signed into law the draconian USA Patriot Act. (Jan 2, '03)
Reaganite moralists and Hong Kong security
The Project for the New American Century has released an open letter to George W Bush calling for official US opposition to proposed new national security laws in Hong Kong. Henry C K Liu examines PNAC - a who's who of the US political right - and whether its anti-China stance needs to be taken seriously. (Dec 6, '02)
Hong Kong pegged to a failed policy
Since its establishment at the start of the Asian financial crisis, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region has operated on a single-note monetary policy: that of defending its currency's peg to the US dollar. While the SAR's economy plummets, the peg paralyzes all new policy initiatives. (Oct 15, '02)
Crippling debt and bankrupt solutions
A movement to tackle distressed sovereign dollar debts through an international bankruptcy regime has gained momentum in neo-liberal circles. But the proposals favored by creditors focus on the wrong models in bankruptcy law, and would serve to enslave debtor nations further while leaving the global economic system at risk. What is needed is a debtors' revolt. (Sep 27, '02)
The economics of a global empire
To find the true source of an empire in today's world, take a page from Watergate lore and simply "follow the money". The trail leads to the world's low-wage exporting nations - notably China - which unwittingly spent the past 20 years funding the US hegemony that they now deplore. (Aug 13, '02)
China vs the almighty dollar
Global capitalism is the tool by which world economies are kept subservient to the United States economy through dollar hegemony. Asia, in order to service its dollar-denominated debts, is thus forced to keep wages low and provide Americans with cheap imports. But China is now in a position to change this state of affairs. (Jul 22, '02)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/JL06Cb02.html
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Henry.html
each is like a little book in itself. it's HEAVY reading.
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Organization of Labor Intensive Exporting Countries A proposal by Henry C K Liu
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The Coming Trade War
(Jul, '05)
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World Order, Failed States and Terrorism
A 10-part series
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Money, Power and Modern Art
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On China's currency, Currency at the Crossroads
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China-US:The Quest for Peace
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Religion, Enlightenment, and Imperialism
And the Abduction of Modernity
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A critique of the role of the world's central banks
Banking Bunkum (with greenspans pic)
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although these above are just part of the past writings . they do not include the ongoing , more current articles.
Sioux Rose
TEDDY: I plan to read the link you posted later this week. Mr. Liu is obviously a thinker with a razor sharp mind and an excellent BS detector; and yet one thing is missing in all this analysis: the factor some define as "Natural capitalism."
As the paradigm we have come to know and rely upon implodes and the very nature of what constitutes personal & collective security comes into question, in any effort to "Fix" the system, it's time for the very nature of USAGE patterns to be examined. A true national emergency might warrant the realization of either a "too much" tax, or a campaign to educate people to appreciate what they have, and perhaps limit ownership. There is no sane reason why a Mccain should have what, 7 homes, and too many are LOSING their homes due in part to his buddy Phil Grahm's pushing through the deregulation of the banking industry to inevitably result in the current outcome, a fiscal domino effect far more threatening to "how we live" than the trumped up threat of communism in SE Asia 30-plus years ago.
Ted Turner called for writers to pen visions of a better future for mankind, a contest that inspired me to submit my take. I believe it was channeled, and the premise was "AFTER THE TRANSITION" although I wasn't perfectly clear on what that transition would be or involve. One line was that "title holders became title givers," as their assets & lands were broken up to serve the larger societies. Sounds good to me now, 18 years after it came through (1990).
cpotts -- you ECHO my sentiments and views as to the CORE of the entire structure's malaise . the Finance, banking system -- which is - for 400 hundred years really the basis of the entire capitalist system imposed upon the rest of the world and which has the USA as its premiere practitioner is really the corrupting influence.
please go to the voluminous, extremely erudite, historically accurate analyses covering the entire period and global overview of how this present system came about - in different areas of focus by a writer in AsiaTimesOnline.com:
Henry C K Liu - trained primarily as an architect and urban planning person, whose explanations trace just about every strand of today's global structure as it is most represented in its core in the USA "model". he explains the rise and falls of different regimes of monetary policies, why, what led to them, which coutnries, governments, individuals, schools of thought were associated....why they collapsed, what were the consequences...straight up to his predictions years ago that THESE things we see today would happen.
what REALLY led to the first and second world wars, what happened in the interim, why recessions happened, what were the repercussiosn that emerged, how the Dollar Hegemony was born after world war 2, how the gold standard was abandoned and WHY and WHICH individuals organized these and other events in history that affect us, which BANKS were making "wars" against each other and why the results were such and such ...right backwards to the REAL purpose of banking, MONEY, VALUE, the creation of "standards" of trade controlled by the USA or western countries, what TRADE WARS are, right up to explaining why Alan Greenspan is the "WIZARD OF BUBBLE LAND" along with his "central bank"(federal bank) of PRIVATE BANKERS given the authority to print money out of thin air, and of course how RICKETY the entire structure REALLY IS and will one day - his prediction - lead into "THE TOTAL COLLAPSE of the MARKET SYSTEM"...and clear explanations as to WHY it has ALWAYS been UNNECESSARY to believe that "tolerable unemployment" is a healthy and NECESSARY and NATURAL event, but INSTEAD SHOULD be considered an "ABERRATION" and is NOT the Natural order of things as capitalists claim....and why this is related to a "healthy, stable economy" ONLY When government policy is geared PRECISELY towards FULL EMPLOYMENT and CONSTANTLY RISING WAGES...again the last 2 items the greatest ENEMIES of the bankers and capitalists.
just read them - voluminous and will take days in fact because they are so exhaustive in arch and detail -- but worth it ....it will really expose a lot of what he called , as represented by Greenspan above all , as "FREE MARKET HOKUM BUNKUM".
i pasted elsewhere here (in the article thread of "THE FALL OF THE GOD OF FREE MARKET" - about greenspan)....a PARTIAL list , with the first paragraphs of various articles by this writer, Liu)....
every single time -- he is DEAD ON about events..right up to warning about WHY china ought to DETACH itself from the dollar as it continues to actually LOSE wealth by continuing to hold its dollar reserves while also PAYING for the "privilege" of supporting the imploding American system...which in its implosion is DRAGGING other economies with it -- which of course brings US back to this US modelled "BANKING" system.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/JL06Cb02.html
Yah, well, the programs are going to cost a lot. And the 'conomy-- she no good. So what to do? Print unlimited money? Or cut major expenses?
Can't cut major expenses because they're too important? How about the stupid ones then-- the ones that offer no way to go forward or achieve anything in the world ever?
And will all the allegedly brilliant people just elected or appointed prove just as stupid as the incompetent louts who preceded them? Yes indeed if they don't, with urgency, eliminate the major programs that truly thinking persons everywhere know without any doubt whatsoever are STUPID and HYPER-STUPID!
Eliminate (A)the Iraqi expense and (B)the Afghan expense; and (C)start paying some American expenses.
Never complain tomorrow when you can complain today.
No, seriously, I find the just-wait-and-see attitude far more troubling than present criticism. Certainly, no one can say with 100% surety that Obama and his administration will or will not do something, so all so-called complaints are not equal, but they are all part of a process.
I found Obama's remarks on introducing his "security team", for example, a gross and almost troglodytic example of U.S. exceptionalism fantasy, playing to the infantile nostalgia that keeps the murderous machine going. Who the hell is anyone to tell me to ignore it; and, more to the point, why would any "progressive" in his or her right mind ignore it? He didn't *have* to say it. Huge swaths of blatant but untouchable reality follow Obama around (among some people) like an invisibility shield.
Also, I don't buy the thing that Obama had to chose some the architects of the economic debacle as the team to address it. I do believe, however, that the economic mess will be the an all-purpose excuse to put our concerns on the back burner for a few years. I will be happy to be proven wrong, of course.
But even if I'm entirely wrong about Obama and he turns out to be a brilliant progressive playing his cards close to the chest, we still should be writing and speaking our concerns. We have a role, too...an important role. Obama is not the whole shebang.
Some of these comments remind me of me 35 years ago (I'm now 66). Marched against the Vietnam war. Embraced the term, "feminist." Shed my bra for a while. I don't regret any of it and, given the times, would do it again. But, I also saw the world in black and white; lots of idealism, little realism.
If Obama were inhereting the world, especially economically speaking, that Clinton left us in 2000, I would agree with much of the complaining. But he's not. We are faced with a catastrophic financial meltdown--which has already stolen at least half my retirement income--and 2 wars. If Obama doesn't stop AND reverse the economic bleeding in the US (and increasingly in Canada and elsewhere) it really doesn't matter how "progressive" his appointments are, or aren't.
The questions we should be raising and the markers we should be establishing are these: Will the new administration begin to impose the same standards on Wall Street that Congress is about to impose on the "Detroit 3"? Will Labour Union bashing stop? Is public policy aimed at benefitting the middle class and poor? Will the HMOs and insurance companies be allowed to hijack health care reform or will Obama and co. stare them down? Indeed, will health care policy be deferred because "there are more pressing issues"? THAT will be a HUGE red flag.
Also important: listed to the LANGUAGE that is being used, first by Obama, but also by his administration and staff. Language reflects attitudes, and attitudes shape public policy.
Get real and get your priorities straight--or at least understand what the priorities of the next president MUST be if we are to survive and our grandchildren are to thrive.
tsmadaincanada,
You stated...
"Language reflects attitudes, and attitudes shape public policy."
I'm intrigued but not sure I know just what you mean. Is there any body of work you could point to (say, a website) that illuminates this idea as you understand it, or some examples of language President Elect Obama or his administration has used and what it tells you? If so, a reply to this reply would be appreciated. I'll check back later. Thanks.
DHV: Thanks for your response. Below are a number of links that take you to sites that address either the language-attitude link or the attitude-behaviour link.
I'd also like to share an observation from life: I grew up in the segregated South, attended segregated schools, remember water fountains for "colored" and "white", et al. My parents were what they had been raised to be: segregationists, an attitude they imparted to me. (Remember the song from "South Pacific": "You've got to be taught/to hate and fear/You've got to be taught/from year to year....")
My attitudes began to change in college when I began meeting young African Americans who were little different from me except for skin colour. My parents took longer; they were in the tourist business and refused admission to Blacks (although equally dark-skinned South Asians were never barred) until the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prohibited discrimination in public accommodation. My parents didn't like it but they complied with the law and, in the following years they came to recognize that their Black customers were just like all the others. My father in the late 60s hired a young Black man to work in the business and interact with the customers on a daily basis. I can remember that one of the arguments against the Civil Rights Act was "you can't legislate attitudes". Well, no. But the civil rights legislation demonstrated that good legislation, by forcing a change in behaviour, can create an environment in which language that was once widely acceptable (the N word) becomes unacceptable, and that over time attitudes change, thus reinforcing behaviour and appropriate language. Some folks change more than others but Obama's election suggests the extent to which language, attitudes, and behaviour have changed in the last 45 years--particularly striking in the 3 southern states he carried.
Another comment: I have been struck by the fact that I have not heard Obama use the phrase "war on terror." I don't think I have heard him use "war on ....." in any of his interviews or speeches. His language, in general, is un-militaristic, unlike W. When everything is cast as a "war on..." (going back to LBJ's "war on poverty" and more recently the "war on drugs") it implies that the only acceptable or workable response is a military or quasi-military one. If Obama, by changing the character of the discourse, can get people to think in different terms about the problems confronting them then he has gone a long way toward getting them to think about alternative public policies.
The following links offer a variety of studies on the subject. Hope this helps!
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1167166
http://www.sicc.sk.ca/saskindian/a85sep21.htm
http://www.njas.helsinki.fi/pdf-files/vol10num3/moto.pdf
http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=J2zLLyQbsxlyyJrb3TNl8NNDTGKg2pSyBC7v6lT9MRXFS1WNkFQp!-605221181?docId=5001342245
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008198.html
http://www.ln.edu.hk/projects/ecfp/ecfp/Environmental%20attitudes/Tony's%20File/English%20Version%20Home.htm
A scholarly study available through Amazon:
Attitude Strength: Antecedents and Consequences (Ohio State University Series on Attitudes and Persuasion ; V. 4) (Paperback)
by Richard E. Petty (Editor), Jon A. Krosnick (Editor)
Product Description
Social psychologists have long recognized the possibility that attitudes might differ from one another in terms of their strength, but only recently had the profound implications of this view been explored. Yet because investigators in the area were pursuing interesting but independent programs of research exploring different aspects of strength, there was little articulation of assumptions underlying the work, and little effort to establish a common research agenda. The goals of this book are to highlight these assumptions, to review the discoveries this work has produced, and to suggest directions for future work in the area.
The chapter authors include individuals who have made significant contributions to the published literature and represent a diversity of perspectives on the topic. In addition to providing an overview of the broad area of attitude strength, particular chapters deal in depth with specific features of attitudes related to strength and integrate the diverse bodies of relevant theory and empirical evidence.
• Publisher: Lawrence Erlbaum; 1 edition (October 1, 1995)
• ISBN-10: 0805810870
• ISBN-13: 978-0805810875
tsmadaincanada,
Thanks for the leads, for the time and effort, and for the good spirit. I look forward to reviewing the information.
Be well,
dhv
tsmadaincanada: You certainly have put a lot of work into your reply. I am a couple of years older than you. I spent a couple of years in the South in the middle of the civil rights movement. I'm smiling still at your line about bras; some of us kept them on, speaking of when back in NYC in the 1970s. Am a feminist.
James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire book]
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
I want to trust Obama, but I’m alarmed he has appointed so many business-as-usual politicians. Time will tell if he has the strength and will to withstand their toxic influence.
Also, Big Media, Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex—and their lobbyists—have not left town.
Obama’s pick of Army General Eric Shinseki to head the Department of Veterans Affairs is his only pick that I am completely enthusiastic about.
Progressive transformation of America must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the “top down” by centrist career politicians.
Electing Obama was the easy part. The tough work begins today, and again tomorrow, and again each day thereafter.
We must stay engaged, take names, kick butt, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
We know what to expect from GOP Neanderthals in Congress. They are thus “reliable.” As for our Democratic leaders in the White House and Congress, we trust them at our peril.
Yes, we must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire book]
"Obama’s pick of Army General Eric Shinseki to head the Department of Veterans Affairs is his only pick that I am completely enthusiastic about."
Shouldn't we give Gates the credit he deserves? After all, Bush was forced to appoint him when Rumsfeld got the boot. His handling of the Iraq war seem far more competent than his predecessor.
Also, Gen. Jones is quite impressive, he was a critic of the administration and also speaks french!
I can't find anything wrong with most of his other picks either. What is wrong with AG Holder? He supports the Constitution and his record is flawless. Rahm Emanuel is one of the toughest and most effective Democrats in the Party. Susan Rice has the perfect temperament for UN envoy (isn't that an improvement over blowhards like Bolton?) In fact, all his picks look pretty good to me. Could it be that what is really bothering you is his choice of Hilary for Sec. of State?
I know... I know... Believe me, I sympathize. Those two spent a whole year in a nationally televised cage match with each other. How can they work together? How can we trust Hilary after she ran such a despicable and covertly racist campaign against Obama? Well, it's tough. But here's what I've come up with, we can't trust Hilary, but we can trust Obama, so if he trusts Hilary, then we can have faith and trust in his trust of her.
.Character analysis, fun for the whole family,but, Joe, as usual, your opinions are based on an unreality I for one find astonishing in its all encompassing existence.
Gates is a proponent of the war, he wants it to continue, he believes in the Bush Doctrine as well and thus his continued service should be anathema to any progressive, of course that excludes you....
This is the second time I have noted that you believe speaking French to be some sort of asset in an appointment to office, maybe in France or an appointment as the French ambassador....
Holder was the one who provided the impetus to the pardoning of a fugitive from justice, one Mark Rich, a fact which will play prominently in his confirmation hearing.
Can you provide some proof of Emmanuel's effectiveness, or do you just idolize bullies and those who believe profanity to be the best way to communicate, Rham sure does! After the '06 elections Emmanuel, along with Chuckie Schumer attacked Howard Dean's role in the success of that election, emphasizing that the Democrats should stick to a conservative message in order to find success. I understand that you, a propagandist for the right, would find that fine and dandy....
As to your last sentence, well, I'd like to comment but I am struck dumb at the enormity of the syntax and intellectual butchery contained therein. Who are you really, Limbaugh's Oxycontin supplier?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
i was hoping he would approach Paul Volcker , the former Fed chairman and former World Bank chief (who stepped down in disgust at what the World Bank had become, according to him)...but even that was a no go. too bad.
obama should really remember - if usa is to CONTINUE to TRY to be prosperous WITHIN the capitalist structure - if it's TOO MUCH to think "socialism"....he should remember that the creator of FORD - the original ford himself would be APPALED at what is happening.
that is because the original henry ford (regardless of what the oil-consuming technology of "private means of locomotion" says, which is another topic altogether) - had as his PRINCIPLE:
"I PAY GOOD WAGES TO MY WORKERS --- IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUY WHAT THEY PRODUCE".
IT'S an elegant , ethical principle:
that franklin roosevelt recognized by saying:
":WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT GREED IS BAD MORALS.......WE NOW KNOW ALSO THAT IT IS ALSO BAD ECONOMICS".
DOES OBAMA REMEMBER THIS? IF SO -- IT IS his responsibility as a leader to INSIST upon it because HE has been given a mandate to do IT...that which is for the common good, it is so simple.
if he does not, he will only become a lackey of the very powers that have BROUGHT america to its KNEES today even as it tries to breast beat and scream and holler about being the "superpower" and the "righteous leader of the world" trying to impose its will on others while more and more regions build new polarities and giving america almost a "tolerating" disdain.
if he does not, he will only preside in an even more WEAKENED body politic of the majority of people under the heels of this corporate dominated finance and business culture of profiteering which will one day lead - in accelerating fashion to a COMPLETE COLLAPSE of everything that america will one be seen as "ONCE" having boasted about...its OWN capitalist system.
it can't be avoided , really. the only real question is WILL obama be the one to RESTRUCTURE this or will it have to be some future leaders who will INHERIT what will END UP , if this continues, a CORPORATE FASCIST state? on the road to eventual NATIONAL COLLAPSE and DISMEMBERMENT of the USA itself?
I continue to be surprised about assertions that President Elect Obama has, since the election, “hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq” as stated in the article above. What I gather about his intentions today hardly differs from my understanding of his thinking when I reviewed his website during the primaries. And, early in the year, Samantha Power frequently outlined the campaign’s thinking on the matter at events while she was promoting her book "Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World."
At the time, Ms. Power had been working for a year as part of a large, impressive team looking in great detail at the complexities and implications of Iraq policy options. What stood out then, and what I see little written about today, is the depth, thoughtfulness, and compassion implicit in the policy plans. The question of people’s dignity and humanity was explicitly a driving principle in the equation, whether on engaging various religious and political factions or dealing with the issue of refugees. Such principled thinking has clearly shaped policy, including steps and resources to improve the health crisis and a viable humanitarian action plan for resettling the more than five million Iraqis who are displaced or refugees.
I believe that a lack of depth in framing these policy debates plays into our tendency to see issues through a simplistic either/or view—or vice verse—and puts us in an oppositional relationship with natural allies (as reflected in many of the comments here). I hope for a more nuanced conversation (and certainly less gloating and I-told-you-so's) that would allow us to learn from one another and collaborate to fulfill the visions we share. Ghandi's oft-referenced quote to "be the change you wish to see" is neither naive nor trite—it is a practical truth that is worth living by.
PS - I’d like to say that I find the “Aikido” martial art analogy offered by SuBastion as a spot-on description of what we are watching as the transition unfolds. Likewise for copperiverkid’s notion that Senator Obama holds a “Creole” sensibility and worldview, one very suited to the world we live in and that includes the blend of heart and savvy that informed the successful Freedom and Civil Rights struggles in this country.
We progressives can be such whiners! We're not content to topple the Republican machine - we want to have a presidential cabinet made up of Susan Sarandon, Barbra Streisand and Michael Moore. Barack is appointing people with the experience he lacks who can advise him and make it possible for him to create an exceptional administration. We don't have time for flower garlands and bongs in the White House - we need to get the economy under control. Barack talked about a lot of things in the many months BEFORE our economy collapsed - has it dawned on any of you that the priorities have to change due to the present emergency? I AM concerned about dragging our feet in getting out of Iraq - but give the man a chance, for God's sake! He hasn't even taken office yet! He's not a Karl Rove tool! Get a grip, people!
JMBuck01:
After eight years of the rabid right-wing we need a sharp turn to the left to stabilize the ship again. I think Sarandon, Streisand and Moore would be perfect antidotes to the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Ashcroft, Rove, Rice, Mukasey... I don't see any appreciable change with mealy-mouthed middle-of-the-roaders like Biden and Clinton. Obama's Cabinet choices are simply hard to figure. We can only trust that "change" will, in fact, emanate from him.
At least Bush has been an easy read. The average American need only consider the best for the nation on any given issue and he'd do the opposite. Yes, as easy to read as "My Pet Goat."
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Dave,
During the election everytime I tried to second guess Barach Obama he proved me wrong. (Armchair quarterbacking) I can't even guess what the 44th President of the United States will do. Normally personnel=policy but this President just seems to dance to his own music,. I could be wrong. I hope not.
"At least Bush has been an easy read" (San Diego Dave December 8th, 2008 9:06 pm)
You are absolutely correct' he was indeed easy to read. (And for those who couldn't read him, that great prophet from the lone star state, the late Molly Ivins, told us everything we needed to know about "Shrub."
well no we don't. we're not all far left folks. i share a lot of values with "progressives" but not all of them. i'm sick of seeing on this forum how now we have to pander to the far left. that will just ensure a loss in '12
.I wonder what you call pandering? Which agenda items do you consider "far left"? Please respond or was that just a hit and run bit of fluff?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
.Let me know when you remove your rose colored glasses. Perhaps then we can talk. Oh and what do you mean 'we progressives'?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
As to Obama being a better president than Bush, heck, someone picked at random out of the phone book would likely be a better president than Bush. It is hard to conceive of anyone being worse than Bush.
What we would like to really see though is a president that would care more than the average about health care, the environment, non-polluting energy, jobs, the current shooting wars and, last but not least, the class war that is being waged by the uber rich against everyone else.
Signed: Lawlessone [for more irreverence, see resistence-is-possible.blogspot.com]
Maybe once Obama got a serious look, behind the scenes, of the shattered economy, the failed occupations, the tattered military, and a bankrupt treasury, he freaked. "Help me Hillory! what do I do now". "Bobby Gates, stay please, I don't know what to do!?" "Bill, who do you recommend for the economic mess?". He spoke of a new vision for America, then shit his pants and ran for mommy.
Instead of having the balls to truly chart a new course, he has so far chosen the same navigators and crew that helped steer the ship strait into the shoals in the first place. I doubt they have a clear way out. They are blinded by the ways of old. Progressives will just have to wait, and rebuild after the wreckage.
Sioux Rose
REBEL: Your assessment is exactly the way I see it. Tragic, isn't it? As if the U.S. or world have much time left to fiddle while Rome burns?
I have, on another post, expressed that same terrifying impression that the Dear Leader in whom so much Hope for Change has been lodged, is buckling under the pressure of his impending responsibilities. I even commented that, at that press conference last week to announce his "national security" team, after a disastrous Q&A in which he stuttered and mangled sentences in answer to pretty simple questions, he seemed to slink out of the meeting holding onto H. Clinton for support. I didn't see his public appearance yesterday on Meet the Press, but the newspaper descriptions of his inability to be specific about anything he would do with either our domestic or foreign crises wasn't very encouraging. Maybe we should indeed give the guy a chance and encourage him to take a couple days vacation to try to recover his poise. Any horse can be worked to death, and Obama is certainly looking over-worried if not over-worked.
People had a CLUE during the campaign. Obama intoned :
"I BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM and the FREE MARKET".
and then went on to talk about how it just has to be done the "Right way".
but he is WRONG nonetheless. because that is a version of saying:
"we are not WRONG in invading IRAQ or other countries for national interests.....the PURPOSE and FUNDAMENTALS of the american IMPERIAL project are NEVER wrong...we just made MISTAKES in HOW it is done".
but the bottom line -- BOTH are WRONG assumptions on how the US and global and human economy and civilization needs to be ordered.
he has only TWO choices:
to continue, with patchwork bandaid "solutions" to "save the finance structure and banks and businesses in order to save the citizenry and the system" or to radically CHANGE , as a leader, the cultural mindset of an america that has really grown , climaxing once again in the 90's to today, in a life of consumption never-ending for supposed "self realization" -- translating as accumulating as much wealth or "possessions" as one can have without thought to its consequences to OTHERS so long as the goodies keep coming CHEAPLY (while also floating it all on DEBTS to those that are the collateral damage -- such as weaker nations, poorer people, ordinary workers, the future generation, etc.) -- to continue THAT -- and continue throwing fuel into the fire - until the next collapse from ANOTHER BUBBLE created in order to "SAVE" THIS bubble and STOP it from DEFLATING further...
OR
to change in true ways. ONE of the specific ways is :
once and for all - whether they LIKE it or NOT - the business class - big or small - will HAVE to be made to accept a new "ethics" - in which LABOR and WAGES MUST RISE - and any TRILLIONS PRINTED - since they are being done ANYWAY in teh pretense of a "wealth" creation by the FEDS -- should have been and SHOULD be transfered to families, and actual working people in order to actually have a "value" of a kind that WILL KICK START the economy into its tradings..
HOW CAN a people have a FUNCTIONING economy - that is, buying and selling goods and services - IF the MAJORITY of people can't actually AFFORD in real terms, except on "credit" (which is a MISNOMER, no matter how GOOD their "credit line" is because it is in reality based on a US NATIONAL INDEBTEDNESS that tolerates its PRETENSE) , and ACTUALLY REALLY "afford" what the labor body actually is responsible for PRODUCING such as cars, health delivery, products, services, etc?
OF COURSE americans are going to be TRAPPED ...and look at what happens.
and if businesses STILL come up with their old canards about "not being able to survive if WAGES RISE" - what SOLUTIONS have THEY really come up with ALL THESE DECADES in which wages did NOT RISE for at least 30 years -- and THEY STILL END UP CLOSING DOWN ANYWAY --
PRECISELY because the workers , whose wages could not rise (and not just because they are "no union" but as a NATIONAL LEVEL of low wages standards) - CAN"T AFFORD TO PAY for the goods and services that the businesses are trying to sell and profit FROM?
the closing of shops by THAT particular business of doors, and windows, is JUST an example of how THAT particular business, with or without UNIONISED employees, is just getting HIT with the NATIONAL IMPLOSION of the economy
BECAUSE the NATIONAL WORKING CLASS STANDARDS in wage values has DISABLED the GREAT majority of "consumers" to be UNABLE to TRULY afford what a BUSINESS LIKE that one producing windows and doors - is trying to SELL across the USA!!
it is as simple as that.
if ONE business says its workers deserve only low wages, or else it will run out of business, COPY THAT elsewhere, thousands and thousands of times....
and you have a MASS of TENS of MILLIONS of families with LOW wages in general that can't REALLY AFFORD much what the USA PRODUCES and SELLS to its own participants.
RESULT?
the very thing that THAT business relies on -- LOW WAGES in order "to stay in business" -- becomes a virus throughout the system....
and the system now has the MAJORITY of its participatns and working people UNABLE to afford things -- and go on debt, and then one day -- NO ONE can buy things that BUSINESSES DEPEND ON TO PROFIT.
but then WHO DENIED the workers PROPER rising wages?
the BUSINESSES themselves!
and they are only getting the result of what THEY thesmelves planted!
in short -- RISING WAGES are GOOD for an economy. they KEEP ordinary people HEALTHY in their lives and abilities to become "wealthy consumers" that FEED businesses BACK - and businesses THEREFORE BENEFIT from workers who can AFFORD what are being sold.
how americans are so STUPID as to forget such simple things, is beyond me!
Good comments. A tide of skepticism grows. To be honest, I haven't been the only one who's held back on criticizing Obama because I was scared of a McCain victory. With Obama's true colors unfurling, it's clear he lied. The only question is whether or not he can accomplish some of what he'd said he'd do.
Obama's effectiveness in Washington will be a bigger determinant of his success than his scorecard with progressives. To get change accomplished, it'll take the cooperation of the DC bureaucracy as well as progressives. In this regard we can't abandon him now, much less before he's even taken office.
I talked about Obama's use of compromise and reconciliation, two tools that Bush ritually ignored, in my most recent article on OpEdNews, "Road to Change goes through Washington."
Obama can't change anything by himself, so his election is just a first step. Don't let inconsistencies undermine support for change, or get apathetic about the changes that lie ahead. We need to stay informed and participate.
I DEFINITELY wish the best for obama, i was RELIEVED that he is now going to be the president and HOPEFULLY that HE , alone and in whatever WISDOM and honesty HE has , and can maintain, WILL make the right decisions, no matter what the cost to HIM..and that is the mark of a true, and worthy leader - to be able to say openly, once and for all, ENOUGH with the OLD ways - they have proven themselves to be UTTERLY CORRUPT and destructive and harmful to human welfare.
if he can do that -- even as far as taking command OVER HIS ADVISERS , no matter how closely they align themselves to THEIR old ways (such as summers, geithner, rubin, chicago school of economics of Milton friedman's "shock capitalism"..etc.) -
and show himself WILLING and ABLE to listen to what is ACCELERATING in the world as needs for a RADICAL overhauld of the economic structure - and speak to the BEST nature of americans that has been crying out to be heard but has just been so MISGUIDED and MISLED and DECEIVED, not least of that deception being AMERICANS" own fault for self-delusions that enbable the present system to continue its ROBBERY of common wealth.....
then obama CAN become a great, great president in all of history.
i want to believe that he has it in him. and it boils down to COMMON DECENCY of speaking FOR the "little people" like us.
the problem for him is that - the powers that be that are DEEPLY entrenched in the system AND the consciousness of americans - with everyone's collective adoration of capitalism and what obama declared as "MY BELIEF IN TEH FREE MARKET and CAPITALISM" -- are like BARNACLES under a ship that is already listing and sinking....which, unless they are removed....their weight will only drag it down faster.
capitalism can not be saved. it can only "POSTPONE" its next phase of progressive COLLAPSE.
the SOONER obama LEADS the understaning and ACCEPTANCE of that -- the sooner HEALING can happen.
but -- the real question is: will the american PEOPLE themselves have the strength to get behind it and ORDER the capitalists "above" them to do as the "people say" -- such as DEMAND RISING wages...because lowering them and suppressing THEM (with the justification that businesses will disappear) LED TO THE DISAPPEARANCE OF BUSINESSES and the IMPLOSION of the economy which began to depend on DEBT and PRETEND WEALTH
just the same -- because ordinary people have low wages as the BASIS and BACKBONE of ANY ECONOMY?
you can not have a truly prosperous community - say even a small town -- if only a few families "own" what is really common wealth, which includes THAT which PRODUCES wealth, the labor of the majority of the people in that community.
what you have instead is an APPEARANCE of "prosperity" accumulated and controlled by the few wealthy families on the backs of the "tenants" who were dispossessed of their power and right to dictate TO the"wealthy" the VALUE of their labor.
THAT is what the banking, finance, wall street, "laissez-faire" economic structure has done to "Community america".
and that is nothing more than FEUDALISM....20th century and 21st century version.
you can not have a community or state where the only "really healthY" families are a few that control the wealth..and the rest are like rats runnjing around endlessly looking for "security" and "well-being" while working to support the "VERY HEALTHY" few wealthy families.
eventually that community will suffer and its TRUE nature of being a POOR ONE will emerge.
that is happening to the USA.
One thing no one is talking about is that McCain did receive +45% of the popular vote... Our country has been born and raised to be the way they are. The government can only do what we put up with, but we put up with a whole lot:
"Find out what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong that will be imposed on them."
--Frederick Douglass
The Christian Right has huge sway in this country and the Republicans have that behind them. Obama is nowhere near perfect, and I am content to wait and see what comes of his time. We progressives are not only too few in this country, but too fragmented. McKinney and Nader... think logically and you will understand that divided the left has no power, and united we still have very little power.
This recession will keep getting worse until the working man sees his savings disappear, his health insurance vanish, and his wages evaporate. Then real change will come. Obama is the establishments attempt to quell the people with thoughts of hope when this recession becomes a full-blown depression. Until mass protests fill the streets, the only thing we can hope for is that Obama remembers where he came from and does the right thing for us all.
"On the issue of the U.S. Government, I would like to make a modest proposal," he went on. "First, I point out the obvious flaws, whereby legislation was repeatedly brought forth to Congress over the past eight years, which would have [reined] in the predatory lending practices of now mostly defunct institutions. These institutions regularly filled the coffers of both parties in return for voting down all of this legislation designed to protect the common citizen. This is an outrage, yet no one seems to know or care about it. Since Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith passed, I would argue that there has been a dearth of worthy philosophers in this country, at least ones focused on improving government."
--Andrew Lahde
Good post. One thing I don't understand about the Christian right. Wasn't their leader, Christ, against killing, violence, and war? Didn't he say to for us to love one another, to love your enemy, and to turn the other cheek? I'm curious as to why they are so gung-ho for war and revenge. Doesn't the Bible say "Vengence is mine, saith the Lord." So why don't they leave it up to the Lord?
it also as a ton of violence and cruelty in it. it seems to me their behavior is right in line with biblical teaching
one exchange from history i will never forget is this:
in the 1950's just after the second world war when the USA was pronounced by the world the most righteous nation because of Victory over the axis powers and for "democracy and freedom from tyranny" etc...which the usa since then has used to make ITSELF "the mistress of the world" (that james madison WARNED AGAINST) ...
some Time Magazine reporter tried to elicit glowing, adoring remarks FROM the highly respected indian leader, Mahatma Gandhi who also had successfuly led his nation to drive the british out by SHAMING them and by denying the british the ability to continue to "manage" and control the means of production and distribution of india's own national resources...which eventually led to england's collapse as an empire (in addition to its being bled dry by the second world war , which also transfered to the USA the world supremacy, including through the use of the dollar as the world's main currency in order to manipulate the global finance system).
and that reporter asked Gandhi:
"mister gandhi -- what do you LIKE about america? isn't she a great nation?"
Gandhi responded:
"I do NOT like your christians.........they are so....UNChristlike".
touche..one would say, and it STILL applies to this day.
Dear teddy,
Gandhi died January 30, 1948. So that article might have been written a bit earlier than you recall.
Another great quip from Gandhi was this reply to an inquiring British journalist:
Q: Sir, what is your opinion of Western Civilization?
A: It would be a good idea.
The dogma of the evangelical Christian religion in the United States tends to place more emphasis on the war metaphor (Armegeddon and Crusades, Christian soldiers etc.) than the regeneration and devine love (death and rebirth) myth that Christ symbolized to the founders of some Christian sects. The evangelical church also teaches that other belief systems are heretical and inspired by demonic entities or cults. Thus making enemies (or non-entities) out of non believers - and more to destroy in holy wars. Thus turning Jesus' words on their heads so to speak.
The destructive and war aspects of the Christian right have won over the love and peace message of Jesus. Emphasis upon morality is for social control of the masses at home -not for treatment of prisoners of war or enemies. The sanctity of Life is valued in the woumb, but not after birth; especially not after adulthood. Dogma thus replaces any individual search for truth, or examination of ethical philosophy, which is considered dangerous and best left to the experts. Personal communication with the godhead is propagandized within the closed system of the cult, as in all dogmas.
It's not my favorite religion and I don't think Jesus would like it either.
I think Jesus would be very sceptical of the legitimacy of this emerging fascist state! (He'd probably throw the moneylenders from the temple again!..and let them go back to worshipping their real god - Mammon). I think the historical Jesus would be horrified by what has been done in his name.
Sioux Rose
REVENGE GIRL: Excellent analysis. The astrological parallel is that the Age of Aries, that which worshipped Mars as the ONE god, a very macho-warrior type deity, was intended to morph into a kinder, gentler spiritual realization under Jesus, who arrived at the onset of the Age of Pisces, this FISHER of men. What the leaders of the time understood was that they could maintain their martial ways by mostly using Jesus as their figure head or new symbol. This little evolution took place, and the worship of Mars (primogenitor leaving all to the first-born son, and an emphasis on divisions among the human family, turning person on person in competitive hierarchical forms of government) was maintained.
Your analysis completely mirrors the sad fact that spiritual evolution was aborted when the Carl Roves of Ancient Rome realized how to keep selling their "war as product" by adding a new and improved (Jesus) sponsor. It is THE GREAT lie... any religion that purports to reflect the teachings of Creator by catalyzing violence undermines its own spiritual intent and works against mankind. Goddess knows there's been so much of that over the centuries. And worse still, given this evidence, a great many otherwise intelligent minds take apppearances for all that might be, as if his-story reflects human nature rather than how it's been conditioned by Mars rules societies over the centuries.
Another World Is Possible!
You'd probably like "The Man from Earth." (But only if you can at least tolerate science fiction.)
"It's said that Buddha and Jesus would laugh - or cry - at what has been done in their names."
In referring to the New Testament, the protagonist declares: "Piety is not what the lessons bring to people. It's the mistake they bring to the lessons."
I guess I'll have to answer my own question. The Christian right doesn't seem to trust or have confidence in the Lord to take vengeance upon their enemies. I know we can't all be saints, but can they tone their warmongering down a bit? In addition, not hating others has health benefits; I wonder if they know that.
Zionists and 'decorated' military men - they can all work for Blackwater after #44 is finished.
Give the guy a chance. What are you doing to help Obama ? Change is coming from the bottom up in Appalachia I can assure you! http://www.wisecountyissues.com
They say time changes things, but actually you have to change them yourself -Andy Warhol
Ask not what Obama's plan can do for you, but what YOU can do for Obama's plan. Where have I heard that before?
In places like Canada voters are allowed to choose a candidate from five different political parties. We on the other hand are quite restricted and are only allowed two choices --- two sides of the same coin. That's not much of a choice/representation.
And the one that was elected has closed their congress because 4 of the five parties are trying to kick the elected president out. He only got like 30% of vote but still won. Having more parties is not always better. With that said, the US has only one party... the business party.
"Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
--- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Just a quick clarification for those interested:
in the Canadian parliamentary system the voters do not directly elect the prime minister. We only elect our representative.
The current prime minister, Steve Harper (or GWB mini-me if you will) was selected by his party as their leader by a vote of the party members. He was then elected as the representative (MP) for the riding (district) of Calgary-West. Only the residents of that riding were able to vote for him.
during the election the candidate with the greatest number of votes is given the seat in parliament and becomes the MP. ie its first-past-the-post, just like the US electoral college system.
Once the election is over, the party with the most seats (not necessarily the majority of seats) forms the government. They then choose the prime minister (their leader obviously) and the cabinet.
The Conservative Party received about 37% of the votes in the last election, very few of which actually directly voted for Harper.
If the party with the most seats cannot govern, because they cannot get the majority of the MPs to vote with them (including some not of their party), the remaining parties can form a coalition and try to govern. If they can't form a coalition, then there is an election.
There are many parties in canada, but only 5 main ones: The conservatives, the liberals, the NDP, the Bloc Quebequios, and the Greens. the Greens don't have any seats this time, so its only the other 3 that are looking to dump the Conservatives.
You are right on as to the number of political parties Republican. Your quote from Thomas Paine says it all.
But with that said we do not elect Prime Ministers in Canada. We elect members of Parliament.(Parliament reigns supreme) The party with the most seats in Parliament are asked to form the government. The leader of that party becomes the first minister (Prime Minister)
In a multi-party system (Canada) the party with the most seats do not necessarily constitute a majority in the Parliament but can still form a minority government. (The majority is represented by several opposition parties) Entirely different system to the United States where you have the divided and equal branches of government. (At least in theory)
A multi-party system could easily be applied to the United States but considering the difficulties many of you express with regards to Barach Obama, (before he is actually President) who was elected with somewhere around 53 or 54% of the popular vote, I can just imagine the comments here on CD had he won in a multi-party election with 35 to 37% of the vote.
I believe that the Queen presently has assumed control of the Canadian parliament.
No she does not and cannot.
God save Canada from that Queen.
"God save Canada from that Queen." (DCBeltway)
LOL
Ten days ago I published on my weblog a piece called "Obama Apologetics: from Lesser Evil to Give the Guy a Chance." http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=101 My point there was that the lesser evil fallacy used by progressives to justify an "un-progressive" voting choice was being replaced by apologists' anger at progressives for pre-maturely criticizing Obama before he had even had a single day in office for them to criticize. Reading through the posts here, it's obvious that "lesser evilism" (you think Obama is bad? What if you were getting McCain and Palin?) is still alive and "well" although apologists are beginning to line up under the fallback banner of Obama-just-really-needs-a-chance. (He's a poker player who has some progressive cards he hasn't yet revealed etc, etc.)
.The fallacy of your position lies in the path this administration seems likely to take given the appointments to his administration. What you are getting is a demagogic speaker who is nothing more or less than a kinder, gentler appearing McCain, an extension of the absurdly named "war on terror", a continuation of deregulation,an ignoring of th eneeds of the poor and working classes and worst of all, a reneging on the campaign promises Obama made.
Believing that we escaped some "horrific" fate if McCain had been named president is just not true at all. The system is what needs repair, and any major party candidate who successfully negotiates this corrupt path to high office is already owned by the same corporate forces that profit from the apathy and ignorance of the electorate.
Unless and until we stop this foolishness and cartoon like characterizations of the "opposition" as being substantially different from the "hero" ( democrat) and understand that the way to end the power of money over governance is to vote for independents and third party candidates who are pledged to refuse corporate monies we are doomed to repeat history.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Sioux Rose
ARDEE: As usual, well said.