Panic Attacks: Voters Unload at GOP Rallies
The unmistakable momentum behind Barack Obama's campaign, combined with worry that John McCain is not doing enough to stop it, is ratcheting up fears and frustrations among conservatives.
And nowhere is this emotion on plainer display than at Republican rallies, where voters this week have shouted out insults at the mention of Obama, pleaded with McCain to get more aggressive with the Democrat and generally demonstrated the sort of visceral anger and unease that reflects a party on the precipice of panic.
The calendar is closing and the polls, at least right now, are not.
With McCain passing up the opportunity to level any tough personal shots in his first two debates and the very real prospect of an Obama presidency setting in, the sort of hard-core partisan activists who turn out for campaign events are venting in unusually personal terms.
"Terrorist!" one man screamed Monday at a New Mexico rally after McCain voiced the campaign's new rhetorical staple aimed at raising doubts about the Illinois senator: "Who is the real Barack Obama?"
"He's a damn liar!" yelled a woman Wednesday in Pennsylvania. "Get him. He's bad for our country."
At both stops, there were cries of, "Nobama," picking up on a phrase that has appeared on yard signs, T-shirts and bumper stickers.
And Thursday, at a campaign town hall in Wisconsin, one Republican brought the crowd to its feet when he used his turn at the microphone to offer a soliloquy so impassioned it made the network news and earned extended play on Rush Limbaugh's program.
"I'm mad; I'm really mad!" the voter bellowed. "And what's going to surprise ya, is it's not the economy - it's the socialists taking over our country."
After the crowd settled down he was back at it. "When you have an Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there gonna run this country, we gotta have our head examined!"
Such contempt for Democrats is, of course, nothing new from conservative activists. But in 2000 and 2004, the Republican rank and file was more apt to ridicule Gore as a stiff fabulist or Kerry as an effete weather vane of a politician.
"Flip-flop, flip-flop," went the cry at Republican rallies four years ago, often with footwear to match the chant.
Now, though, the emotion on display is unadulterated anger rather than mocking.
Activists outside rallies openly talk about Obama as a terrorist, citing his name and purported ties to Islam in the fashion of the viral e-mails that have rocketed around the Internet for over a year now.
Some of this activity is finding its way into the events, too.
On Thursday, as one man in the audience asked a question about Obama's associations, the crowd erupted in name-calling.
"Obama Osama!" one woman called out.
And twice this week, local officials have warmed up the crowd by railing against "Barack Hussein Obama."
Both times, McCain's campaign has issued statements disavowing the use of the Democrat's full name.
A McCain aide said they tell individuals speaking before every event not to do so. "Sometimes people just do what they want," explained the aide.
The raw emotions worry some in the party who believe the broader swath of swing voters are far more focused on their dwindling retirement accounts than on Obama's background and associations and will be turned off by footage of the McCain events.
John Weaver, McCain's former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.
"People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Sen. Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Sen. McCain," Weaver said. "And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive."
"Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda. We should take that agenda on in a robust manner. As a party we should not and must not stand by as the small amount of haters in our society question whether he is as American as the rest of us. Shame on them and shame on us if we allow this to take hold."
But, if it were up to them, such hard-edged tactics are clearly what many in the party base would like to use against Obama.
That McCain has so far seemed reluctant to do so has frustrated Republicans.
"It's time that you two are representing us, and we are mad," reiterated the boisterous Republican at McCain's town hall in Wisconsin Thursday. "So go get 'em!"
"I am begging you, sir, I am begging you - take it to him," pleaded James T. Harris, a local talk radio host at the same event, earning an extended standing ovation.
"Yosemite Sam is having the law laid down to him today in Waukesha, Wis.," quipped Limbaugh on his show Thursday, referring to the GOP nominee. "This guy, this audience member, is exactly right," the conservative talk show host said of the first individual.
"You are running for president. You have a right to defend this country. You have a responsibility to defend this country and not just fulfill some dream you had eight years ago running for president against Bush. It's time to start naming names and explain what's actually going on, because, Sen. McCain, the people of this country are dead scared about what we face if you lose."
John J. Pitney Jr., a political science professor at California's Claremont McKenna College and former Republican operative, suggested core Republicans were acting out their longstanding frustrations with their self-proclaimed maverick nominee.
"McCain has always frustrated the Republican base," Pitney said. "In this campaign, he has alternated between partisan attacks and calls for bipartisan cooperation. It's nice that he thinks he can round up congressional votes the way a border collie rounds up sheep. But you can't be a border collie and a pit bull at the same time. The crowds want a pit bull."
There is also the belief that taking out Obama is the only way to win.
"They know that when McCain has taken off the Senate mantle and put the stick to Obama (celebrity ad, as a case in point), we get movement in the polls," said Rick Wilson, a GOP consultant not working on the presidential race. "They want McCain to call out Obama - on the Fannie/Freddie mess, on Wright, on Ayers, on guns, on [the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now] - because they know that if McCain says it, it penetrates the MSM filter. ... Only McCain and Palin can really drive that message."
The two have begun to get more aggressive on many of these topics, with both discussing Ayers in multiple venues Thursday. The RNC is also going up for the first time with an ad featuring the former domestic terrorist.
It was enough to stir hope that McCain may stay on the offensive, even in Limbaugh, who has often criticized the Arizona senator for working with Democrats more than attacking them. The radio host praised his sometimes-nemesis for singling out Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) as partly responsible for the credit crisis.
"McCain/Palin fired back today in Waukesha, and 15 years of frustration is coming out joyously in the voices of GOP supporters at these rallies," Limbaugh wrote in an e-mail, arguing that Republicans were fed up with having been portrayed as the bogeyman for myriad issues since the Clinton years.
But to the exasperation of many in the party, Obama's pastor, the most damning of all his associations, remains off-limits, at the express desire of McCain. Palin ignored Wright and focused on Ayers when she was asked about the two in an interview Thursday with conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham. And McCain focused on Ayers only when he was asked an open-ended question at the town hall about Obama's "associations."
"It is a shame McCain took Wright off the table," lamented one prominent Republican operative not working on the race. "He is a legitimate issue, and we may look back and realize he was the issue that could have changed the race."
For now, though, party members don't seem to be looking back with regret as much as fearing what lies ahead.
"McCain is behind in the polls, and the Republicans have no chance of regaining control of Congress," Pitney noted. "Republicans are facing the prospect of unified Democratic control of the government for the first time since the first two Clinton years. And even then, Clinton's agenda had moderate elements (e.g., [the North American Free Trade Agreement] and deficit reduction). With Obama, [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid and [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi in power, Republicans worry about a hard push for a hard-left agenda."
Amie Parnes contributed to this story.
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There is an article in the October issue of Rollingstone by Tim Dickinson, Make-Believe Maverick. Most of the article information has been verified. How could a man of his character run for public office? Trusting McCain with this present economy could be compare to russian roulette with a gun pointed at your head.
Ahhh, Republicans are being mean and campaigning hard. No kidding, they are trying to WIN the election. That is their job. Politics is called a contact sport for a reason.
BWAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Republicans can be mean and effective as they were in 1988 and arguably 2004. However this year they are just mean and INEFFECTIVE, not to mention stupid.
"Republicans were fed up with having been portrayed as the bogeyman for myriad issues since the Clinton years"
Limbaugh doesn't want to take responsibility for the fire, smoke and ashes after the profit bonanza! Socialism for the elites! Capitalism for the people! God Bless Elite Class War Aggression!!
A woman told Sen. McCain: "I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab." That's when McCain got quite substantially booed, for begging to differ.
One woman isn't the problem. Her "I have read about him" statement implies rotten-hearted gatekeepers who wrote a racist statement again and again until people believed it.
At least as bad was the Republican mob. No, not the racketeers at the top, I'm talking about the crowd who booed McCain's denial that Sen. Obama was an Arab.
A minor detail: as soon as we read or hear "I have read ..." we should engage a deep skepticism.
Obama is soon to be the US president. He is winning in all polls. Contrary to all - helping the poor and middle class. How is this helping the poor and middle class- we are rapidly becoming the same- going to be bad for all of us? That is my big question. There is no third party option.
There is no 2nd party option.
Corporate only
"MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF US IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HELP ALL OF US AND THAT IS FACT NOW AND FOREVER!!!"
What's God got to do with it carolhill814? The chosen one? Jesus Obama? You must be trolling given this contradicts all you previously wrote. Still time to Impeach your trolling guru.
Don't turn around. Obama will turn you into a pillar of salt....apparently
...and not only that but his choice for Vice President is a CATHOLIC!
And we all know how America treats Catholics...
BALTIMORE, Maryland (AFP) - Two Roman Catholic nuns whose non-violent action against nuclear weapons landed them with prison sentences returned home to Baltimore to learn they had been listed as terrorists, they said Friday.
Perhaps Carol was typing with tongue in cheek...
NoGOP Racism?
NoMore McBush-onomics?
No More McLies?
Better to have
Democratic Party Racism (Jews slaughtering and stealing the land from the Palestinians, Obama & AIPAC sitting in a tree )
Obamanomics (Obama had a bigger role in the $850 Billion theft than McLame)
Democratic Party Lies
(pretending they represent the people. Would be funny if not so vile and absurd. Democrats gave up helping the people in exchange for corporate dollars back with Slick Willy Blow....the lesserevilism has had a stranglehold on the Fakeocrats ever since)
LesserEisismisEvil:
Hi; You say Obama had a greater role in a Trillion Dollar Theft than Senator McCain. Could you exrapolate?
Maybe integrate Senator Graham into it?
Shucks, start with the Keating Five and slander Obama from there.
Go ahead.
Obama '08. Goodbye scum, your race is run!
'Course NaderRaiderettes in Swing States will do their best, Diebold, purged voter rolls-Nader lovers Don't despair, there's still hope for john in the air!
Carol
This man is so scarey I just do not have the words. If this horrible man gets in everything that have as far as our freedoms will be gone and that is a fact. The person that I am really scares me is his wife just look at her you can see the hated coming out her eyes and that we have to stop right away.
I have noticed something that nobody seems to know that Obama real first name is Barry Obama look it up all of you I used the seach engine by the name of cuil.com. Just type in Barry Obama and things will come up that nobody in their right mind will vote this guy as a dog catcher much less a President.
Not only does he lie about who he really is he lies about what his real name is why would anybody do that if they don't have something to hide.
Has anybody seen the interviews with his old high school chums and the fact that he was into drugs quite a bit not only using but other illegal things having to do with them?
This man hates whites because of his grandmother on his mother's side used to say to him horrible things about blacks and you can believe he still has that in his heart and that is a fact.
I don't know what is the matter with McCain but he wake up and smell the roses before there are no roses to smell and that is a fact.
MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF US IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HELP ALL OF US AND THAT IS FACT NOW AND FOREVER!!!
carolhill814 October 11th, 2008 5:45 pm
RACIST SCARE TACTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are plenty of really good reasons to be opposed to Democrats in general and Obama in particular. He supports the death and destruction in the ME, wants to increase militarism, saber rattles Iran, Pakistan, and Russia, spearheaded the Wall St bailout of fat cats and capitulated on FISA to name a few but the claim that he was a drug addict and is a racist is a groundless smear.
You claim you can see hate coming out of his wife's eyes. I suggest you either see a shrink or a priest.
If your baseless claims were true your Republican buddies and cohorts would be making TV commercials about it and airing them 24/7.
You have a serious problem.
"The person that I am really scares me". Me too.
Though I have a some strong political differences to Obama ( war - Iraq / Afghanistan / Iran / Pakistan, FISA, bailout bill, etc. ), I feel your characterization of him is completely off base. And if you support / supported McCain in anyway, there is obviously no help for you.
You or anybody else should read this Newsweek article on Barack's real name and why he was called Barry up until his early college career. Nothing sinister nor strange about it; his father was Barack Sr. and went by Barry as well, though possibly for different reasons.
And who cares if he did drugs when he was younger? Bush and Clinton did as well ( not supporting either of these unsavory politicians ). And that he hates whites is ludicrous. He is half white, he comes from a very multicultural Hawaii, and he knows the Indonesian culture very well. Many of his best friends are white.
Maybe you should look at the real reasons why you do not like Obama seeing as you did not mention one political one.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633/page/1
"it's the socialists taking over our country." I happened to see this exchange, and my first thought was that if the socialists had taken over we would all have healthcare.
Ask a senior citizen (or those disabled, impoverished with or without children, etc.) how they feel about Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid; all of which are "socialized" programs. Ask an unemployed worker what they think about unemployment insurance (those fortunate enough to receive it). How about highways, running water into your home or a sewage system to take the waste from your home? What about public education? Victims of disaster (hurricanes, floods, drought, tornadoes, etc.) who receive federal assistance in recovery?
These staunch capitalists don't have a clue what socialism is or else I don't think they would hate it as much as they think they do.
Our socialized systems are probably the only saving grace of this country since they are the only systems that are truly friendly to the people--just barely, anyway. If you check back in history, the founding fathers' vision of Democracy was very close to Socialistic fundamentals. Democracy back then was the operating system truly by and for the people, not the government. The government was kept in check as it should be but is no longer. To be against Socialism, in my opinion, is to be against Democracy. Your other choices are Capitalism, which is clearly not working, Fascism, Communism, Imperialism, Totalitarianism, etc, et al...
I truly believe this country is heading for a switch in form of government. If it doesn't, I can't really/don't want to imagine what will happen to our sovereignty.
- Insurgent
I agree completely ACCEPT (lol) that, having been demonized, and almost totally de-funded, Medicadi is sometimes worse than nothing.
While I totally disagree with Ron Paul-ites--there is one point they have made---if teh govt is going to defang and defund all of our meagor social welfare programs, we might all be better depending on teh "kindnes of strangers". "Indegent" and "charity" clinics often offer better services. If you are on Med.--you cannot utilize them. (except the few allowed by the Med HNO)
The reason I DO NOT advocate charity care, is that it simply "lets the govt off the hook" for its responsibilities.. If the govt no longer serves the people , it should be dismantled. It is not some sacred trust. That has been broken.
btw--this guy is an asswipe--i hope they keep it up, though. Almost has ME wanting to vote for Obama. He probably just "drinks beer" when he gets sick.Really sick? A shot of JD!
"Terrorist!" one man screamed Monday at a New Mexico rally after McCain voiced the campaign's new rhetorical staple aimed at raising doubts about the Illinois senator:
-gee and I thought Obama supporters were dumb! This Republican fool takes the cake. Obama is a sellout but a terrorist? Oh my God.
He's a damn liar!
-well, he did say he would filibuster FISA and then voted for it
"...it's the socialists taking over our country."
-these saps apparently have no problem with welfare (socialism) for the rich (Wall St. bailout) they only hate socialism for the poor (Willie Horton's welfare queen driving a Cadillac with a six pack of beer on the front seat)
"Obama Osama!" one woman called out.
-what fools!
"Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda.
-you have to be really dumb to buy that one. His agenda is pure Wall Street just like McCain's.
You have a right to defend this country.
-this idiot doesn't realize we already spend on defense more than the rest of the world combined and that we are the aggressors and the militarists trying to dominate the world.
"They want McCain to call out Obama - on the Fannie/Freddie mess,
-yea and ignore McCain's deregulation...Wright!
"It is a shame McCain took Wright off the table,"
-these saps love to talk about non-issues don't they?
"McCain is behind in the polls
-gee I wonder why?
Says it all.
It should not be totally ignored, that, many people say that this guy was a "plant", and, that, the woman that asked if Obama was an "Arab", looked like she had been bed-ridden for awhile , and, had last brushed her hair in 1985.
But--she made it to teh McCain rally!!
Like Mrs. Robinson (except not "pretty");
"...going to the candidates' debate....laugh about ti , talk about it, when youve got to choose...any way you look at it you lose..
Kookoo-kachoo, Mrs. Robinson.."
This just in from AOL news. Troopergate panel concludes Palin abused power when firing the Alaska Safety Director after he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law. A heartbeat away.
Add that to the Federal Prosecuror firings and hirings, the framing of the former Alabama governor... These guys at the McCain rallies are venting at the wrong party.
Who really are the terrorists? The neocons, Carl Rove, the Heritage Foundation, and their Hazzard County political machine that messes with everything and everybody, with Republican free pass cards for criminal wrongdoing, and has run this country into the ground.
All together now neocon accolytes let us chant,
"Dangerous black man, dangerous black man, dangerous black man. Booga, Booga, Boo!"
The biggest giggle of this article is not the hatred of an African American candidate by the biggoted masses of America, it's the realization that since Comrades Bush, Cheney (and, by the way, what has that devious little rascal been up to lately?) and Paulson have come out of their socialist closet, race is the only thing McCain/Palin have left to whine about.
Poet
Bush, Cheney, and Paulson are closet socialists...!?? Very likely.
Thom Hartmann frequently mentions that Reagan launched his 1980 campaign from the site where the civil rights voter registration activists were murdered, giving a nod & a wink to the right-wing death squad types in America that they could start setting up again. Fortunately, they were largely kept in check by a judiciary branch that had no tolerance for that sort of thing; but under The Smirk, they've enjoyed a great deal of liberty to bring their hatred out into the open, as witness the Jena 6 and the many brutal reprisals that blacks and latinos have faced during this most brutal american decade. Look at the beefnecked skinhead in uniform who introduced Eva Braun at her little Florida hate-rally last week -- if a casting call had been issued for Auschwitz guards, they could have found no more exact type for the role.
I have witnessed the same attacks by Obama supporters against third party candidates such as McKinney and Nader in the form of political bigotry. Many of Obama supporters I have had discussions with do not believe in war and have knowledge and disagree with Obama's record toward the past funding of the Iraq war, Obama's willingness to increase troops in Afghanistan, unilaterally attack Pakistan / Iran, and not pull ALL troops out of Iraq yet these same Obama supporters are willing to vote for him and not true anti-war candidates such as McKinney and Nader.
But none of this matters right now. We are about to go into the Greatest Depression this world has ever known. This government, this capitalistic system most likely will not survive. The abuses, greed, APATHY have run rampant for too long, and the chickens are coming home to roost. Billions across the planet will die and possibly some humans will survive, most likely those that have a higher vibrational consciousness and are not willing to destroy this planet so that they may live a little more comfort than they need.
What is most important now is to try and help each other as much as possible. Give friendship and love. Lead by example. It seems to be a waste of breath when I plead with people to stop supporting the same wrongs and destructive elements of our society including most Republicans and Democrats. These two corrupt political parties are part of the problem, period. If you continue to vote for the problem, you will get what you deserve.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GreenProgress
oh come on...there is much profanity used to describe democrats on CD. i've said many times on CD that the intolerance on the far left is just as bad as the far right. I've seen the word "traitors" used many times on CD to describe Democrats.
You lefties need to grow up.
kman, intolerance by the left is not bad at all, but very good. Some think of intolerance is an absolute evil, but this thought is wrong. Most people have intolerance for murder. We on the far left consider the right wing agenda (mass enslavement/exploitation) as almost as evil as murder. So we rightly harbor near zero tolerance for the right wing agenda.
You look at the difference between Cuba and the USA. Cuba produces at least twenty times the value as the USA in healthcare and education, and is on track to the same performance in agriculture. And yet the extreme right in the USA suppresses our awareness of Cuba's accomplishments. And you want us to tolerate such suppression? I don't think so.
A person listening to a CD is a lot different that a President and VP candidates allowing these actions to multiply because they are trying to start something just short of a riot---they don't want a riot because it would be their fault---they wouldn't mind seeing a Race issue, but not a uncontrolled mob that could do a lot of harm or even worse. That "My Friend" is why the FBI is hanging out at the McCain/Palin rallies now.. Remember what happened to George Wallace, Bobby Kennedy while running for President--Let us hope this doesn't get that far out of hand, for the sake of our Nation during this most STRESSFUL time. Provoked anger, stress, and a Mob could be felt for a lot longer than the Credit Crisis we are in.
"Never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid people.
So says a button I've had for years. And it's never been truer. These are people who don't value English, American History or the Bible enough to learn anything about them but are more than ready to believe what they're told and to act on their beliefs. They are more dangerous to the continued existence of our republic than the ubiquitous "Arabs" of their paranoid delusions.
Busque la verdad!
It is despicable, fascist, unchristian, and just plain UN-American for any group of people to act in such an undignified and vitriolic manner. It embarrassed me and made me ashamed to call my fellow citizens- that were acting like a pack of crazed dogs-Americans. Barack Obama is a citizen of this country, he is a Harvard graduate, a professor of law, a United States Senator, and if God sheds His/Her blessings upon all of us he will become the forty-fourth president of our country. There is an old adage that says "some men chose the moments and some moments chose the men" `a la George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Fredrick Douglass, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King,and now Barack H. Obama! On a sidebar I want to say that I heard Jesse Jackson say on the radio "don't hate educate!" and it resonated with me so much until I decided that that was the best way to spend the remainder of my time on this planet. We have such a short time to be here so why spend it hating one another? To those of you out there that are hesitant about voting for Barack Obama, whatever your color, because at some of the McCain/Palin rallies I spotted some "flies in the buttermilk", I want to use the analogy of you in full cardiac arrest in the trauma ward would you concern yourself with the color of that doctors skin? If you were going to get an organ transplant would you want a surgeon who finished at the top of his/her class at one of the premier colleges in the world or would you want to be operated on by someone who finished 885th out of 890? Well America is that patient and the financial meltdown is the heart problem and fate has chosen Dr. Obama to be the physician. Since when has the value of a good education been so undervalued in this country? I don't want the man or woman that runs America to be someone that I would want to have a beer with or someone I would want to watch a football game with!! As a matter of fact, I want to hold the leader of America up in awe and respect as someone I can urge the younger generation to emulate. This country really is the last, best chance of humanity so lets not blow it!!
Pure Gold!! I am with you 100%!
In a perfect world..... We would have XXXXX
This aint a perfect world!! Obama is the best man running for the job who has a reasonable chance of winning. - Hell not just a reasonable chance- He is The Man!
I recently saw the picture of Obama on the Daily Kos where they are worried to death that McSame might take over. The photo showed a healthy Barack Obama wearing a cool pair of 'shades and jacket thrown over his shoulder with the photo shopped caption: "Chill out People- I Got This"
What he's Got is the best chance of saving this country from crashing into third world status! He may or may not succeed- But He is America's Last Chance!! Do I give a damn as a White Man that Obama has "black" genes in his blood? I don't fucking think so! I have moved beyond that- as has Obama- It is time that we as a Nation move on to something better- Now is Obama's Time. I broke out in tears seeing him give his speech in my new home town of Denver Colorado in front of 85,000 people at Mile High!
A beautiful day- and a beautiful man. He is simply the BOMB We Need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pure lesser-evilim!
This entire post ASSUMES that peopel are not voting for Obama, because of his race. In this particulor thread (CD), I just do not think that that is the case.Do you honestly belive that Nader voters give a damn about race/ How about McKinney supporters? SP-USA? (OUR candidate for VP is Af. Am. , for christs sake!)
Poll after poll shows how littel it really matters to mosst people. Do you think these goons at the McCain rally are actually representative of the population there? Well, its not, casue i live nearby in Dayton. But you wont see me at a McCain rally (nor an Obama rally ) I might end up voting for him if it is at al close. But, this constant harping on race is just a distraction. I think that Obama supporters are so blinded by how much they love him, they just think it just HAS to be about race, cause there is no other reason.
If I had a heart attack, I would not be able t get to the hospital, unless a freind drove me. (Medicaid doesnt pay for ambulance rides) THAT is more what I am concerned about.
Also, not to nitpick--it dosent really matter,(but, you are alwasy such sticklers for FACTS about every other candidate) but, the positives, as well, as the negatives , in bs, seem to have great endurance in this campaign. Obaam is NOT a "profesor of law". He was a temporary instructor. Now, that is alot "more" than I wil ever be, but we have had alot of blue blood Harvard/Yale presidents, and where the hel has it gotten us? Brains are not everything.
Bottomrail...I hear your pain, man. I do. I truly TRULY hope, no pray, that when Obama gets in, and I think that he will, that he truly changes course and sets new sails, as Americans, to go about doing our business in a better way, in this small world of ours. And it has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin, or the color of his eyes, or the color of his hair. It has to do with the color of his HEART. Is IT true? Is it uncorruptable? It HAS to be to be a leader. Can he turn down a bribe? Can he turn down a hooker? Can he pass on the hit? Does he know, in his heart, the meaning of integrity? Of service to mankind? This is important! Will he be our hero, or will he be just another corporation bought politician? I am not too sure of the outcome. I would be more sure if it were Kucinich, or even Paul. I have great hope for the Green party and even Nader, but my hope fades as I consider the possibility of 4 more years of same old or same old. Just look where that line has brought us. To the brink of disaster. May GOD have mercy on America.
A "hero" aint nothin but a sandwich.
I will be voting Obama.
There is no one here more frustrated or angry at the betrayal by the Democratic Party of the working poor that is more than ever representative of what was once the middle class. And no one has been more out spoken in calling for them to be held accountable.
They certainly have been guilty of selling out to corporate influence peddling, neglected their stewardship of our environment, and only furthered the complicity of American government with militarism and the military industrial complex.
That said, what they have not done is seek to incite ethnic and class hatred to win elections. They have not sought to turn Americans against one another through lies and fear mongering that the founders warned us would lead to the destruction of the republic and despotism.
The thinly veiled and on many occasions openly racist and bigoted behavior needs to be called out for what it is. Those that prey upon the small minds, the mob mentality such as Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Savage show just how easy it is to incite hate. It is viral and infectious like any disease.
Love, a truly altruistic act, the act of creating something; the act of working together to accomplish something which alone we could not is beyond their ability to comprehend. And face it, it's just so easy to destroy something and personally profit from it; Lee Atwater and Karl Rove could tell you all about it.
So what's it going to be America? Are we going to prove once again that hatred as a tool can accomplish absolutely anything? That a small number of conservative operatives and their all too dependable bigots who dance to their tune right on cue can win elections anytime by fragmenting the left; the left who outnumber them by far; the left who speak in the name and for the interest of the people; the left who at this moment in time has a golden opportunity to perhaps change social, political, and economic instability into a ground swell of legislative action?
I have no illusions about an Obama candidacy and I know should he be elected it would represent only the beginning and not the end of any meaningful fight for reform. But I say, while holding Democrats responsible, the bigotry, racism, and class hatred the Republicans have done such a great job in showcasing for us needs to be urgently addressed. Indeed they have done most of the work for us by imploding in front of our eyes; we just need to finish the job and never let them forget we don't want or need their kind in America anymore.
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gryphon...so you are voting for Obama because of fear. Think about this for a moment. If every move you made in life was based on fear, where would you be? Would you be paralized? You would NOT be able to make the right choices. It's just like a football game. You would be on the defensive, never able to make the offensive move that would bring you victory. Please re-consider. In your HEART you want to vote 3rd party. Don't deny this. You will only regret it, like I did when I voted for Kerry in 04.
No, I beg to differ, I am not voting because of fear and indeed I have thought long and hard on this.
I was recommending everyone vote third party and indeed admire Ralph Nader a great deal. Not only this but the "lesser of two evils" form of government that has produced the mess we are in I know all too well. I am the one that said, "I am tired of winning elections only to find we have only lost again."
Rather I AM voting for something instead of against something else and the reason is as stated. We live in the most racist nation in the world. And though Obama does not represent a open challenge to the class warfare that is raging in this nation he does represent a challenge to the arrogance and hubris that is ripping this nation apart.
The problem has always been the people. Americans have been self centered and caught up in the feeding frenzy which has lead to the abyss we now stand at the brink of. I still believe McCain has a very good chance of being elected and this after eight years of disastrous government by the party he represents; the party who invented mass consumption and unapologetically represent the pigs at the trough. This after being associated with the S&L meltdown and economic crisis that was the practice run for the economic disaster we now face. If you think about it, the fact he is even close to Obama in the polls is an incredible feat in itself. It shows just how screwed up the people of this nation really are.
No, I fully expect this nation is going down the tubes no matter who we elect "forebiddeninfo". What everyone on this board needs to realize is it is the people that are responsible and they truly "get the government they deserve". Those of us that have done the hard work of being informed and attempting to inform our fellow Americans know full well how little they care. It is amazing how people refuse to believe something until it is happening to them. Well it is and will happen to them. This election is only about moving the misery index down a few ticks and setting the stage for the backlash that will follow.
The "shadow government" represented by the office of the president and congress can and will do very little now. The greatest power the president holds is in the form of the "bully pulpit"; the vision to see the world in the way it could be and inspire the people to be more than they are. None of these men represent that kind of leadership. Such men are not even on the ballot.
I see what is coming, trust me no that. It will be localized and the strong that survive the coming deluge and perhaps after the long hard times pass something new and something that will last will come into being for the first time. I doubt this considering mans past history and failure to learn from his mistakes but it is our only hope.
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I beg to differ , again. While I can certainly understand your voting for Obama (there is zero chance MKcCain will win, but, if its close, I may vote Obama), some of your opiinions seem way off the mark to me.
The Dems have never "incited class and race hatred"??? Are you kidding me? The group where they continuously lose is-(and not just with Obama-)-is with the white workign classes. Clinton and Obama went straight for the race/class divide. "White working class" became a form of curse word. Clintons,arguably, formerly the most beloved by Af. Ams., became "instant racists" for a comment over whether someone elected to teh Senate so recently was prepared to be president. YOu can agree with it or not. But , it doesnt follow that it was "racist". It did "deteriorate".
The uS is the most racially diverse of any country on earth.(We know why, and it is no compliment) It does not follow that it is "the most cist". When is the last time you saw an A. Am. Pres r PM in the EU? Austrailia? canada? I am not ncessarily saying that they are racist (they d not have as many racial minorities. I just think that who supprt obama think that MUST be the reason. I do not think that fr most people, that that is the main reason.
The "peopl" are not the "problem". They shoudl be REASON. If the GOP "party of mass consuption"the Dems are rapidly catchingp. Did you look at how much mony Frank adn Dodd took fro Wall st.,mortgage industry, and creditcard cos. , beforthat crafted that piece of shit legislation? You should.
Sorry about all the typos--it doesnt seem to want to let me corret them,. I hope you can make sense of it, if you want to.
The nutters at the McCain Palin rallies seem crazed. Obama has them on the edge like JFK did forty-eight years ago.
I was alive when JFK was presidetn--and Obama , sir, is no John Kennedy.
That is not necessarily bad. JFK cut taxes for the rich and started an unnecessay war with Cuba. He messed around on Jackie (nobody seemed to give a rat's ass back then).
He died very young and it was tragic. He was a good man. But, it dose not follow that he was a hero.
"I was alive when JFK was presidetn--and Obama , sir, is no John Kennedy."
Maybe not, but Americans today are the single most dangerous entity in the world and Islamic fundamentalism fades in comparison. We are by and large a conservative, hateful, violent and insular nation (CA and NY dont count). If Obama had to make JFK like speeches he would be out on his ass in a minute. To begin with JFK was white and Obama is black and he could get away with sounding populist. If a black guy said things remotely populist he will be branded a terrorist, anti-american and a black panther thug.
What the hell makes you think that JFK was a "populist".'m not sure he ever said anything populist in his life?! (I was very young--I was just joking) YOU DID NOT READ MY POST! I was NOT complimenting JFK!
I KNOW that he never DID anythgin populist. That was LBJ--Medicaid, The Great Society --but everyone hates him now.
He was not very likeable. But, he inherited a big mess in Vietnam
"Wilderman October 10th, 2008 7:44 pm
The idiot conservatives taking this anti-obama stance are the same ones who had their jobs outsourced by their chosen President Bush. ..."
BS!
First of all, Bush Jr is far from responsible for the outsourcing of jobs, which began long before 2000, and of which I'm among the 1990s victims; thanks to ... Dem Party, DP, Clinton, who not only adopted, f.e., the grotesquely exaggerated H-1B program that Pres. GHW Bush, aka Bush Sr, established, and apparently at the request of a blood-sucking son who was working for a law firm, credibly one that stood to profit if the H-1B program was established; well, not only did Clinton adopt the quadruply exaggerated number of visas allowed per year, he doubly and then triply worsened the problem, which diminished as of or since 2000, but before 2006, so before the DP gained majorities in the House and Senate.
It's also the DP that saw to implementing NAFTA, and the DP is also behind the expansion of this "program", expanding into a quasi-North American Union; quasi, if not literally (some day in not too many years ahead, if "all goes according to planning", anyway).
Economic woes in the U.S. have worsened by the Bush-[Cheney] cabal, but not initiated. The process of destroying the U.S. economy was started long enough before. But the H-1B visas went back down to the original exaggerated number of around 65,000 per year, under Bush-Cheney. Not that that does the U.S. any real or significant good, though; for too much damage had already been inflicted for this nominal reduction of the number of visas to be really worthy of note, except in official or formal terms.
I told people back in the 1990s that they weren't looking at [reality] and [ahead], for to be able to discern what's ahead, we need to well understand where we are [presently]; and most Americans still only cared for their gold rush fever or fanaticism.
My father was only capable of obtaining an 8th grade ed., while now being 95, so the ed., schooling, was long ago; yet, he stated multiple times during my childhood years that people were never economically content and that this was not good for society, that it was not about sowing healthy seed for society. F.e., people who were members of unions would strike, demand better wages, and win; after which they were content for a while, but only a while. Later, the same was repeated, and over and over again, demonstrating the vicious cycle involved without many participants or supporters realising what they're really doing. After all, rising wages in capitalist "West" means rising costs of living in general! It's the outcome, sooner or later not really being a significant consideration, for never is what's to be aimed for.
My father had only an 8th grade ed., but more "brains" than apparently most so-called economists and politicians have or demonstrate. Yes, he worked a good job and for far too little pay, but that causes no harm to society; instead, it's society that refuses to reasonably compensate, in these types of cases! But the masses of taxpayers supported their govts robbing workers of [fair] wages, so it's not the fault of only the bureaucratic part of our govts, it's the fault of also the greedy electorate!
Bush Jr had nothing to do with such realities being reality! I'd never support the ... man, I guess we could say, maybe, and except for rehab., for I'd definitely support him being put through very serious rehab., alright; no question about that! But I won't blame him for what's not really his fault, either! I will never knowingly fault anyone for something that is not of his or her fault!
Bush couldn't manage the failure of his relatively small oil company, for he was just too incompetent and the whole failed. If he had been really competent, then he may have still failed, business-wise, but while being able to manage the failure so that it wouldn't be total, which it was. Later, he became ... not elected, but appointed Pres. of the USA, which was already and "well" on its way to economic decline! He just didn't do anything to help or try to help to reverse the process already begun, and worsened by the DP.
There's more than one viceral cycle in this world.
And I like Jose Bove.
To Mike Corbeil:
You are ignoring the fact that Clinton got into bed with the Newtzis to unleash these "free trade" monstrosities. This was the DLC's and GOP's first major combined screwing of the American people in their sleep.
-So you would admit that Obama's constant harping for "bi-partisanship" is probably a mistake?
The first words I heard out of him in the primary was compliment to Reagan.
It sure as hell didnt impress me!
Both parties are to blame, but to pretend it is equal on both sides, is to be dishonest.
Clinton was better than Dubya--but, so would alot of people be.
Mike Corbeil...I don't think he is ignoring anything. He seems to have it pegged pretty good. Both partys are to blame. That is MORE than obvious! The question here is how do we, as the people, get back our freakin country, without having to become full blown "terrorists"?
Answer: Vote for a third party..preferably NADER!
To Forbiddeninfo:
Ten years ago I was on about getting back our country. Four years ago I was still on about getting back our country. Now I just hope and pray that what is left of America can survive without degenerating overnight into a Balkanized, food riot torn, police/military cracked-down upon, techno-barbarian post-wilderness domestic bloodbath.
Forgive me if this point was already made, but wouldn't it be nice if Obama had a similarly loud and angry mob to his left that were visible at his rallies?
Minus the fascistic hysteria and incitements to 'patriotic' murder? Yes.
Only conservatives are loud and angry...and murderous.
You missed the song by Ludacris? The race baiting by Sharpton? The viciousnes of the female "journalists" against Hillary?
Hillary is a fucking whore? Bill is a racist? McCain had skin cancer? McCain was a "traitor POW" (how, exactly , is this different than the "swiftboating of Kerry"?
Dems may complain about the GOPs dirty tricks, but, they actually somewhat admire their "fuck yu" techniques. They seek to be better at it than them. From neo-con to neo-liberal.
Which destroys the Dems "higher ground", and , once that gone, there is very little reason left to vote for them.
That is how I see it anyway.
Is Obama a little slower at getting on his knees to corporate interests though? That's the question.
Yes. Probably because they are getting on their kmees to him.
Or, they should be, after this latest bailout. Plus, immunity to ATT, etc.
"The mighty are only mighty because WE are on our knees. Let us rise!"
--Camille Desmoulins
BillofRights
That is a very fine idea. Lets all get up at once.
It would appear as if the Sturmabteilung wing of the Republican Party has reared its' ugly head.
My fellow Americans, Republican and Democrat, we tread in dangerous waters.
This sliding economy, loss of jobs, crashing markets all make for a formula of evil to take our country from us.
One uprising could incite many, and that would lead to a national emergency and martial law.
Which could cause King George to suspend the elections.
We must all find a way for cooler heads to prevail.
And John McCain must invoke his patriotic reasoning and stop this spread of hatred that has consumed a percentage of Americans with a mob mentality.
We live in a Police state that is ready to march on the angry mob.
We can not allow this to happen.
John McCain , for the love of this country, is going to have to consider a much different approach or America will be doomed.
I have seen the angry Republicans in action and they are dangerous.
BornFreemen.
At a time like this, scorchimg irony, not convincing argument, is needed. Oh had I the ability, and could reach the Nations ear, I would pour out a fiery stream of biting riducule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire, it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, the earthquake.
Frederick Douglas 1852
BillofRights
The idiot conservatives taking this anti-obama stance are the same ones who had their jobs outsourced by their chosen President Bush. The are the same ones who have lost their rights to the Patriot Act. They are the same ones who voted for a President who has actually built a legal infrastructure around illegal immigration such that MORE are coming in under this legal system than were before. So the corporatoins in America still got their cheaper labor and more Americans lost jobs. All smoke and mirrors and these fools think Bush has done right by them. What losers.
They are the same ones who supported Bush's war in Iraq when our own Intelligence agencies and those of the rest of the world unanimously stated that Iraq and Al Quada had absolutely no relationship.
The truth is, there are those in this country who cannot think for themselves and are too easily led... and are so easily convinced to pick up a torch and hang somebody. They have absolutely no intelligence or intellect of their own so they have to kiss ass to someone else.
But what really bothers me is Common Dreams. There was no need to publish this article. At least not the way it was written. It does far more harm than good. What you have is a few hot heads getting hotter heads. These people are in the minority but this article sounds like everyone is rising up against Obama. Like it is building a wave. Why? Clearly that is not the case. More people support Obama than McCain. Clearly, the article could have been more supportive. Why wasn't it? It actually sounds like the political side of Common Dreams wants to scare Obama and force some hidden change of direction for the democrats.
Or maybe, they are preparing people for an assasination so they can get who they really want for President. The dems and the repubs one and the same party and it is all just fixed game. God forbid.
In that case, shame on you Common Dreams.
Politico.com initially published this article. Common Dreams acts as a news clearinghouse for sources from the U.S. and around the world. The subject of this article is an interesting and timely topic about an important election.
"...But what really bothers me is Common Dreams. There was no need to publish this article. At least not the way it was written. It does far more harm than good. (blah blah blah)...."
- You might imagine that you've made some sort of "point" here. But you haven't. You're just ranting like a loon. There is nothing wrong with the article. There is nothing wrong with CD publishing it. Calm down & think what you're trying to say before posting what amounts to a bunch of confused gibberish.
Definitely, you're Bi-Polar with schizo-affective disorder, Doctah, paging Doctah House, Doctah House....
BillofRights
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Total Incompetence or Total Malfeasance, that is the question.
Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer,
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
Taking arms has certainly brought on a sea of troubles.
And Outrageous fortunes have disappeared in bursting bubbles.
The Great Deciders of these stupendous misfortunes, the profiteering elite
Do not know how to end it or suffer, or when to call a retreat.
It's nauseating. It's worse than what I am used to. Which is bad enough.
BUT: I remember very, very clearly the smears Hillary Clinton got from the Obama fans, also on CD, actually a nauseating lot of smears on CD.
Americans are known to have short attention spans, but I am European and I have a hell of a long attention span.
And I most definitely do NOT remember that Obama ever distanced himself from all these insults hurled at Hillary Clinton throughout the primaries.
In other words: Ethically speaking, he is on the same page as McCain. He did the same vs Clinton when he thought that this would help him achieve his own goal. He never denounced the tactics his followers used against his opponent either.
Araquin October 10th, 2008 7:28 pm
"BUT: I remember very, very clearly the smears Hillary Clinton got from the Obama fans....Americans are known to have short attention spans, but I am European and I-"
Yea, yea, she was Hyperion to a satyr.
"In other words: Ethically speaking, he-"
Figures you "forgot" it was Hillary Clinton who first used Obama and Ayers to swiftboat his candidacy. Just like it figures Clinton die-hards like you are so twisted by bias you can't see the dif between the ugliness on both sides in the Democratic primaries and a VP candidate actively whipping up fascist hysteria on the white supremacist right.
You are absolutely correct--as I listed some above. But , unfortunately you will NEVER get an Obama supporter to admit any of that.
I may be voting for Obama (it depends on how close it is), but, be rest assured, ther are some Dems who see that the other candidates were thrown under the bus early, in favor of "building Dem Party " unity. It doesnt really seem to have worked out that way .
They have alot of new voters--but they assume that progressives have nowhere else to go. They also know that women usually wil not vote GOP. Sure , Obama will probably win--but look who he is running against--any Dem who could not beat a GOP after 8 yrs of BUsh, well, there is something wrong with that.
But , progressive should be used to that by now.
Araquin:
Actually I am an American with a very long memory and what I recall is that Obama didn't start the negative campaigning until Hillary lobbed a few his way. As soon as Clinton went negative Obama went in to defense mode.
And to put Obama on the same page with the likes of McCain would mean the writer was ignorant of the facts. Even higher ups in McCain's own party have asked him to tone in down and get back to the issues. He and Palin are so far in the gutter it makes a seasoned politician cringe.
So, what did Hillary do that made you think she "went negative". When she responded to being called a "fucking whore" by Randi Rhodes? To Secuf at HuffPo , when he said tha she was "the runner up at a beauty pageant , waitng for the nude photo ops"?
When Ludicris (Obama s fav rap star) wrote that she was a bitch? When Bill said that it was a "fantasy" for a "not yet one term senator" to run for pesident? That was racist how? When Bil said that Jackson had won South Caroina, at first Jackson agreed--he said tah it was historical fact, not racism. He recanted later. But, was it racist when Jackson said tha he would cut obamas balls off?
You have no idea how it looked to some women. But he lost alot of support with that crap. I saw how they were "dividing us up by race/class"--oldest trick in the book-.I wrote a letter about it to the local paper. I could post it if youd like. I was begging people to not let it happen. Obama couldve put Hillary on the ticket. He is supposed to be thinking of the Party, no?-I called teh Dem Party and begged Dean to put a stop to it.I called Obama's campaign. No, he didnt say it. But, neither did he refute it. That is what you are angry with mccain about, right?
Obama supporters refusal to see that anything he does may be causing the split in the Dem Party is glaring.
It's like the pot calling the kettle black. Common sense would tell these idiots that their party has had the last eight years of Republican rule and twelve years of Republicans running the Congress and two years of partial control by the Democrats because they don't have enough votes if the Republicans don't want to go along. That's what amazes me when I talk to someone Republican. I'd like to know how in the hell do you want these same people back in office? It makes no sense.
My husband said that guy was a plant, when he heard him, at the rally. I hope with all the voter fraud going on and God knows what else, that McCain and Palin don't "suddenly" win the election. I know Obama is ahead right now, but anything can happen.
Did anyone hear McCain say at a rally the other day, "My fellow prisoners"? Sarah was standing next to him and you could tell by the look on her face like "oh Sh--! She tried to act like it was nothing but I know she was thinking, "Say it ain't so John" You didn't just say what I think you said, did you?
To McCain Supporters (that would include, right now, most northern voters for third party candidates):
This Job's been through a lot. But has he worked through his issues, even in The Bible? Or is there something about him that just seems to invite crisis after crisis? Do you really want Job on the job?
I watched the clip of the old guy at the McCain event yesterday described above.
I immediately said to my family member that he's a plant and this is entirely staged.
Today Thom Hartmann revealed that the old guy works for a PR firm that helps political clients communicate their message.
I ran an advertising business for twelve years. I can smell this sh*t like this before the molecules even hit the air.
Unreal!
It was very transparent from the moment I saw it. It reminded me of those staged events that Michael Moore once exposed with guys in hard hats from the construction site endorsing the Republican's tax deform acts back in the 90's.
Jesus. What's the matter with you people? Can't someone turn this article into an anti-Obama rant? Atheist? RichM? Someone?
These deranged Rethuglican bastards wreck the country and then have the chutzpah to complain when someone else wants to clean up their mess. They're already blaming the Democrats for the financial meltdown the U.S. is going through --- even though they have been in charge of everything.
Another thing: You can't be nice to the idiots. They're bullies who think that if someone acts with civility, they're "sissies and cowards." They only understand brute force which is why they're always shopping for war.
When will the rabid McCain hatemongers start wearing their brown shirts/??
When Republicans and Republican coddling Libertarians acknowledge that they have reduced our country to the stenchy practical equivalent of a human poultry processing plant.
These crazy republicans should look in the mirror and at their beloved George Bush - we have socialism but for the banks and wall street firms. The bailout is a form of socialism but for the very richest. True socialism would fund health care, schools libraries..the good things. But no - our brand of socialism is for those that already have.
The non-crazy people like us are the angry ones. We have put up with almost thirty years of the bull shit globalization, outsouring, leveraged buy-out, deregulation, anti union crap that has led this nation to the brink of destruction. Then we have an idiot who leads us into a war against a country that didn't even attack us and wasn't a threat. Untold lives lost and billions wasted. And this guy who lied to us is still sitting there at 1600 Pennyslvania Avenue. And Obama or anyone else besides McCain is gonna screw up things?
Things are already well screwed up and by people like Reagan, Bush and McCain.
Reagan lied! The economy died!
MORE GOP DIRTBAG TRICKS
TROY, N.Y. - Who is running for president? In an upstate New York county, hundreds of voters have been sent absentee ballots in which they could vote for "Barack Osama."
The absentee ballots sent to voters in Rensselaer County identified the two presidential candidates as "Barack Osama" and "John McCain."
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Jesus! Do you have a link for this? I would think that they could get in a world of shit .
There's a link to the article on DailyKos main page.
Gallup today - Obama 51% - McCain 41%
Please John McCain, keep up with the lies, the smears, the racism..its working!! (for Obama)
I mean, come on...a 10% lead is going to be really difficult to steal...Diebold and Karl Rove can only do so much.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats