House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims that a key positive feature of the new wiretap "compromise" is that the bill reaffirms that the President must follow the law, even though the same bill virtually assures that no one will be held accountable for George W. Bush's violation of the earlier spying law.
In other words, in the guise of rejecting Bush's theories of an all-powerful presidency that is above the law, the Democratic leadership cleared the way for the President and his collaborators to evade punishment for defying the law.
So, why should anyone assume that the new legislative edict demanding that the President obey the law will get any more respect than the old one, which established the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 as the "exclusive" means for authorizing electronic spying?
It wasn't that Bush and his team didn't understand the old law's language; they simply believed they could violate the law without consequence, under the radical theory that at a time of war - even one as vaguely defined as the "war on terror" - the President's powers trump all laws as well as the constitutional rights of citizens.
Essentially, Bush was betting that even if his warrantless wiretap program was disclosed - as it was in December 2005 - that he could trust his Republican congressional allies to protect him and could count on most Democrats not to have the guts to challenge him.
His bet proved to be a smart one. After the New York Times revealed the warrantless wiretaps 2½ years ago, Congress took no steps to hold Bush accountable. Before the 2006 elections, Pelosi declared that Bush's impeachment was "off the table."
Then, on the eve of the August 2007 recess, the Democratic-controlled Congress was stampeded into passing the "Protect America Act," which effectively legalized what Bush had already done and expanded his spying powers even more.
After that law was passed, U.S. news reports mostly parroted the White House claim that it "modernized" FISA and "narrowly" targeted overseas terror suspects who might call or e-mail their contacts in the United States.
However, it soon became clear that the law applied not just to terror suspects abroad who might communicate with Americans, but to anyone who is "reasonably believed to be outside the United States" and who might possess "foreign intelligence information," defined as anything that could be useful to U.S. foreign policy.
That meant that almost any American engaged in international commerce or dealing with foreign issues - say, a businessman in touch with a foreign subsidiary or a U.S. reporter sending an overseas story back to his newspaper - was vulnerable to warrantless intercepts approved on the say-so of two Bush subordinates, the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.
Beyond the breathtaking scope of this new authority, the Bush administration also snuck in a clause that granted forward-looking immunity from lawsuits to communications service providers that assisted the spying.
That removed one of the few safeguards against Bush's warrantless wiretaps: the concern among service providers that they might be sued by customers for handing over constitutionally protected information without a warrant.
In short, the "Protect America Act" made warrantless surveillance legally cost free for a collaborating service provider, tilting the scales even further in favor of the government's spying powers. [For details, see our book, Neck Deep, or Consortiumnews.com's "Bush Gets Spying Blank Check."]
Catching On
A week after the "Protect America Act" was passed, the New York Times and the Washington Post published front-page stories explaining how the Bush administration had ambushed the Democrats.
Pressed up against the start of the August recess and the prospect of Republican taunts that Democrats were "soft on terror," the Democratic leaders abandoned earlier compromise proposals and accepted the more expansive law. Their one point of resistance was putting a February 2008 sunset provision into the law.
Still, the Democratic cave-in in August 2007 provoked an uproar among rank-and-file Democrats. Pelosi's office reported receiving more than 200,000 angry e-mails.
Stung by the reaction, House Democratic leaders balked at White House pressure to make even more concessions, including retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies that had collaborated with Bush's warrantless wiretaps in the years after the 9/11 attacks.
In February 2008, to the surprise of many observers, the Democratic leadership allowed the "Protect America Act" to lapse. Though Republicans attacked the Democrats as expected, the accusations seemed to have little political resonance.
Nevertheless, the Democratic leadership - behind Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-West Virginia, and Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland - continued working on a compromise.
While the new version drops some of the more intrusive features of the "Protect America Act," such as allowing warrantless wiretaps of Americans outside the United States, the bill adds retroactive telecom immunity (only requiring the companies show they got a written order from the President).
The bill also would grant the administration emergency power to wiretap a target for up to one week before getting a warrant from the secret FISA court. But the bill bars the government from targeting a foreigner as a "back-door" way to spy on an American without a court warrant.
'Capitulation'
Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wisconsin, a strong constitutionalist, termed the new bill "not a compromise; it is a capitulation."
One of the bill's illusions would seem to be that the precedent of a President ignoring the FISA law and escaping any accountability can somehow be negated by restating what the original, violated law had declared.
In her June 20 floor statement, Pelosi said in her view this was a crucial feature of the bill, the statement that the President cannot ignore the FISA law again. However, Pelosi's position sounded like the words of an indulgent parent of a spoiled child: "This time I really mean it!"
The more powerful message from the latest Democratic compromise is that a President - at least a Republican one - can break the wiretap law under the cover of national security and expect to ride out the consequences.
Rather than reaffirming the rule of law and the Constitution's checks and balances, as Pelosi claimed, the new FISA "compromise" may have done the opposite, signaling that the President is above the law.
After Pelosi's speech, the House passed the bill by a 293-129 margin with 105 Democrats - including most of the leadership - voting in favor and 128 Democrats against. The bill then went to the Senate, which was expected to approve it.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books are Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth'.
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Show All1.) He took his case to the Supreme Court - isn't that sort of an announcement that fraud was occurring?
Actually, you have it BACKWARDS. It was Bush vs Gore, not the other way around.
2.) What makes you think his announcement would have had an affect on how Bush and his administration operated?
We will never really know what might have transpired, but I for one believe that backing down from the very beginning set the precedent that the bushitters ran with thence forward. Giving up so readily, without any REAL struggle enabled this junta to roll the way they wanted to from the very beginning, growing more and more audacious with the passage of time.
3.) Yet, you think that Gore making an announcement to the people would have changed the course of history as affected by the Bush administration????
Yes, I think that the die was cast from that moment, and the bad precedent stuck.
4.) I'm glad you don't blame Gore for the debacle. But in fact many do.
I know that many do, and I won't condemn them for it, I just think that is more complex than that.
5.) see post immediately above.
"Kerry, on the other hand, can be legitimately criticized for conceding without any kind of court struggle."
DEFINITELY agree with you on that.
Perhaps he didn't make an announcement because it was already obvious to those who supported him that he was robbed (as well as to those who voted against him if they truly were honest with themselves).
He took his case to the Supreme Court - isn't that sort of an announcement that fraud was occurring?
What makes you think his announcement would have had an affect on how Bush and his administration operated? The constitution has had no affect. Court rulings have had no affect. Congress has had no affect. Yet, you think that Gore making an announcement to the people would have changed the course of history as affected by the Bush administration????
I'm glad you don't blame Gore for the debacle. But in fact many do. If you read the posts on this site anytime the man is mentioned they pop up in masse with their ridiculous accusations and condemnations.
Kerry, on the other hand, can be legitimately criticized for conceding without any kind of court struggle.
It means pointing out to the people that they were robbed. It means publically denoucing the decision and why. It means announcing to everyone that the decision is a fraud. It means exactly what it means.
It does NOT mean "rolling over" and doing or saying nothing. And it certainly WOULD have had an effect on the way that bushco was allowed to conduct thier business. The congressional and media "rollovers" as bush plowed through his agenda started from that point.
Furthermore, I do not blame Gore for the bush debacle and I doubt that there are many that do. I just do not look toward the man for leadership any more.
We're all entitled to our opinions, right? Why is there a need to keep stating that obvious fact?
It is nonsense... How was he supposed to take it to the people? As them to vote again (Supreme court nixed that). Ask them to riot in the streets (and probably see some get shot). Ask them to refuse to pay their income taxes? Ask them to all stand on their heads naked?
I mean, what does that mean, taking it to the people????
It was taken to the people. It is called an election. And the Supreme court robbed the people of who they rightfully chose. There is no recourse beyond that. And so we have a bunch of people who now blame Gore for 'not taking it to the people.'
does that make any sense?
"And your comment of Gore should have "taken it to the people" is nonsense."
Whatever~ you are entitled to your position and I am to mine.
Aquietman,
Never say never. You need only look at the last two front running dem candidates to see that things are beginning to change rapidly, at least at the surface.
Nader is above 5% in California right now. I suspect that passing more Bushco enabling legislation (courtesy of the dems) will up that percentage.
The dems have brought us wonderful things, yes. But you wouldn't know that by anything they've done within the last 28 years. I don't know your age, but you have a mature tone in your responses.
Third parties have won primaries in the past. Primaries are considered elections. Though I hate using this as my only example of the success of third party candidates, the populist candidate, William Jennings Bryan was the democrats nominee 100 years ago. That's a victory for 3rd party candidates.
It is possible to change the viscious cycle of electing oligarchical corporate elitists in this country, but it has to start from us, the people. Change is slow, but like the face of the democratic candidate it sometimes gives false hope. Obama is a classy politician, but he's not going to do a damn thing for you or me.
I was not attacking you ~SLIM~ was just stating the facts as to what you yourself posted. I agree, surmising "what if" has little value, neither does watching a movie or a comedy routine, or talkng about a fishing trip, or discussing 9-11 have any "value". Except we often learn from one another when discussions of any nature arise.
The entire state of Florida did not have to have a re-count~TAILCAP~, only those counties where the ballots were screwed up. There is nothing at all wrong with a re-count when serious malfunction have occurred and it was painfully obvious that in heavily Democratic counties they had.
The re-count should have been allowed to continue, there was no legal reason to stop it and time was not a factor. The Supreme Court erred, they played politics. And your comment of Gore should have "taken it to the people" is nonsense. "The people" won't even demonstrate to have Bush impeached.
quietman, who's throwing away whose vote? You accuse others here of condescension. I am bewildered as to your choice of candidate. Nader is a legitimate candidate in this race. McKinney is a legitimate candidate as well. Both have spoken quite clearly on their positions concerning the important issues. They have your interests in mind. They are willing to stand up for you. Yet, you choose to disrespect them. You choose to disrespect those of us who would make a choice that you haven't the courage to make yourself.
aquietman, if you live in the Los Angeles area, get down to the Disney Concert Hall Redcat theater and see Tim Robbins' adaptation of "1984." Do it before you make the mistake of voting for another corporate candidate.
Kem,
I agree with you that Gore and Bush are not even remotely alike. The idea is indefensible.
I will not discuss this subject with RichM. He is not mature enough for me to waste my time with. When someone pretends that a 3rd party candidate will matter, and that those who vote for them aren't throwing away their votes, I ought to be able to disagree and present the reality as I see it, and stated as my opinion (which I have the right to). In doing so, I am informed that I am 'naïve,' that I'm indoctrinated, and that as a 'wishful thinker' I need to 'grow up politically.' If I believe there were and are differences between Gore and Bush…. Why that is just 'silly.' I am a slave, don't you know… as is anyone who believes as I do that a vote for a 3rd party candidate is useless. Yet it is. And most of us know that it is.
How condescending.
Well, that kind of talk rolls right off me. I have a pretty thick skin. And I'd just say that RichM needs to grow up in more important ways than politically. Learning how to partake in a discussion without insulting anyone who doesn't agree with him is one way.
The idea that there are no real differences between the two parties, or the two candidates is only promoted by those who are debating the 'world of great power as they hope it will be instead of how it is' (to use his own words, but twisted around).
I could list many, many, major and meaningful differences between both the parties and the candidates. But I haven't the time or the energy to then reply to the flood of insults and accusations that came my way before and would come again, and that you have also experienced. But I am glad to see someone else stand up to this false idea.
And I appreciated your line about where was Gore to appeal to next after the Supreme Court ruling. I have used that same line several times on this site. They just don't get that a Supreme Court ruling trumps any Congressional investigation, and that there was no longer a recourse for him to pursue. And because he did not appeal to God or Allah or Humpty Dumpty he is fodder for their contempt and ridicule. Oh well..
In any event, I don't care enough about their opinions to engage them.
Little Brother, it doesn't matter to me if you disagree with me on something. You have the class to at least do so and state your reasons without being insulting and condescending. I appreciate your words and enjoy reading your posts.
I don't care if you state you don't thnk about Gore anymore ~SLIMSHADY~, that's your perogative.
Your comment "that neither should ANYONE else" is where you screwed YOUR IMO up.
So the Supreme Court is not the final word eh? Wow, who is the God in such legal matters? There was no time for Gore to legally fight that decision if there was another recorse, he had NO support from his party or from Congress. It was not his fault of what transpired and to say he just gave up is a childish reaction.
I don't dream about what would have been, I stated to ~Rich M~ that I don't believe we would have been in a war with Iraq, a potential war with Iran, etc, if Gore had been the president Gore and Bush are in no way alike. Do you think we would have gone the Bush route with Gore?
Finally , we certaintly can learn a lot from what did happen and attempt to prevent it from ever happening again, so it is rather imperative that we think about it. But no one has to do that.
KEM- if I restated my position to say that I don't pay much attention to Al Gore because he gave up on claiming his victory because the SCOTUS is not god, is not the be all end all, would that make MY point any clearer?
Also- am I not allowed to state MY position that it is IMO, a waste of time to dream of what MIGHT have been re: a Gore presidency? You certainly state your beliefs unequivocably on a variety of subjects. There wasn't a Gore administration, so just what would we learn from it?
Why the shitty personel comments about me ~RICHM~?
I don't disagree with anyone that our two party system is rotton. My disagreement and debate was that I don't believe Gore and Bush are the same as you have stated they are. Nor do I believe we'd be in the financial or military mess we are in now if Gore had been the president. That's my belief and if you wish to think otherwise knock yourself out.
As to Hillary versus Obama, I'm one of those half that feel she would be a better Demo candidate for several fair reasons. Does that make me some type of a bad person or an idiot? "Fuck you".
It isn't worthwile to postulate ~SLIMSHADY~? What's not worthwile about it? People who forget the past are prone to repeat it.
"You don't think about Gore and therefore niether should anyone else."
Well, sure am glad to know who the big boss is around here. "Yes sir, at your service sir!"
Let's see, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush. Which higher court was Gore supposed to file an appeal with?
Some of you know it all bloggers here are just so full of yoursleves and are also full of shit at the same time.
It isn't even worthwhile to postulate on what Gore would or would not have done, or if things in general would or would not be any worse than they are now in REAL time.
I used to, sometimes, wish that he had tried to claim his victory in the 2000 election.
He did not, and that sent a clear message to me about Gore. I don't waste much time thinking about him anymore, and neither should anyone else.
Here's a fun question: why all the fuss over the Clintons post presidential acquisition of $100+ million while Gore has become a BILLIONAIRE?
Here's a relative question (with regard to the subject of this article): What crimes will the democratic president and congress-persons commit, as there has been no disavowal of the means used by bush to commit his?
KEM (10:42) - I concede that Gore was not quite as bad as Bush, in the sense that he wouldn't have brought this degree of disaster upon us, so quickly. (I confess that I actually voted for Gore in 2000, myself.)
But in the longer-term view, I think the whole model of how society functions needs to be drastically altered. With respect to this need, the very existence of the Dem Party makes real progress impossible. What we have is basically one openly fascistic party, & one party of fake opposition. As long as most citizens go along with the fantasy that such a system offers a range of choices sufficient to represent the whole population's needs, we are going to suffer the pain that inevitably accompanies false beliefs.
In this sense, even if Gore was better than Bush, voting him in would only have propped up confidence in the American political & economic system. This system basically leads to corporate plutocracy, consumerism, & an insane degree of militarism. It's not a model that should be continued, or that deserves to succeed. Therefore, electing a leader who would not have run it into the ground so quickly is not really an "improvement." It's more like prolonging the lifetime of something that should be stopped.
Dear KEM PATRICK,
I would prefer Bud to Bud Lite. Lesseroftwoevilisms. Bud is better. Both suck. Both keep us f^;*ed. Time to break with two party duopoly. May never happen as long as the Democrats can get enough people like you to buy into:
OH NO! THE SKY IS FOLLOWING! QUICK THE DEMOCRATS WILL SAVE US! VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT! VOTE FOR OBAMA! ( I know you wanted Hillary which to me is even worse)
KEM
Address this:
Democrats refuse to uphold the law and impeach Bush-Bush is left above the law. Democrats say impeachment is off the table.
Democrats refuse to end the war and just funded it through 2009 to make sure it didn't come up again during the election.
Democrats rubber stamped the trampling of our civil rights and made the illegal legal by giving the Telecoms immunity for breaking the law.
You want me to vote for a Democrat? Okay fine.
Make me a list of what the God-damned Democrats have done and accomplished in the last 8 years, no 12, how about the last 2+ during which they controlled the Congress.
List the reasons to vote for God-damned Democrats that aren't reasons to not vote for Republicans. I dare you.
Well ~RICH M~ I'm certian if Gore had been elected, he would not have attacked Iraq. As he and most of the 77 Senators who voted yes on Prop 114, includng Hillary Clinton, Gore stated before he voted, that he would vote yes to give the presiedent the authorty if absolutely necessary.
Bush had insured all that he would never attack Iraq unless WMDs were found and Saddam then refused to destroy them. Bush also insured all of the Senators that he would allow Hans Bliss to finish the UN inspections. Of course as it turned out Bush was lying through his teeth.
I understand that almost all of our elected have simialr views on many issues. However to say Bsuh and Gore were alike is stretching it. I would much have preferred Gore was the President for any number of serious reasons. They are not the same, not when it really matters. Do you honestly believe, we would not have been far better off with Gore in the White House? I believe we would have been.
KEM PATRICK (7:12 pm) - The difference between Gore & Bush is considerably less than most people imagine, & most of it is at the level of tactics & rhetoric.
For example, you mention Iraq. As it happens, Gore voted to give Daddy Bush authority to attack Iraq in 1991.
As Clinton's VP, he was part of the team that 1) bombed Serbia, though Serbia posed no threat to the US 2) applied brutal sanctions to Iraq that killed 500,000 Iraqi kids 3) often bombed Iraq on a more or less routine basis (often, this went unreported in the MSM); & 4) passed a resolution declaring that "regime change" in Iraq was official US policy.
While still in the Senate, Gore never opposed Reagan's criminal wars in Nicaragua & El Salvador. On the contrary, he voted to support Reagan's policy in those areas.
In general, Gore was never any sort of opponent of Pentagon spending. Responsibility for the growth of the military-industrial complex to its current monstrous proportions has been a joint enterprise of Dems & Republicans all along, & there have been precious few exceptions to this rule on either side. Gore certainly was never among them.
As you point out, Obama is a complete phony -- yet Gore endorses him. What does that say? Basically, both parties are filled with people who are American nationalists. They are almost all imperialists, corporatists, and militarists. All of them want to use US military might in ways that confer benefit on US transnationals. No one can be a "viable" candidate in US politics, without being part of that program.
Apparantly you find the Republicans are not guilty of any mis-doings ~TAILCAP~.
Or do I mistake YOUR words?
Would you prefer they maintain the control they currently have? Do you also believe Bush is just as preferable as Gore would have been?
RichM June 21st, 2008 3:54 pm
With perhaps a very few exceptions, the Democrats are traitors who deserve to be strung up to lamp posts — not elected to high office.
BINGO!
RichM,
I think a lot of people here and on other progressive sites would agree with your June 21 3:54pm post but are afraid that saying it on a public forum might get them carted off to a detention camp.
At on the other hand, there are plenty of progressives who would find such talk about revolution blasphemous. I would love to see the wealthy power progressives take such a stand, since their wealth and the global media platforms they command give them a safety net few have
Mike Corbeil June 21st, 2008 11:17 pm
"Congressional approval before attacking Iran is no longer required."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9393
Mike, Nice find.
Congress, over the last 30 years, has gradually relegated its constitutional authority and "duty" of checks and balances, etc. to the executive branch of this government which enables them to pass the blame to the President who can only serve two terms.
Meanwhile, these congressional career blood suckers can tell their dumber-than-dumb constituents they had nothing to do with the decision to go to war or nothing to do with any corrupt actions taken by the US because they didn't cast a vote on the issue.
How sweet it is to make $175,000. annual salary with the best benefits on earth and have no responsibility attached! Life doesn't get any easier than that. And speaking of rewarding reckless behavior, if you're a CEO who gets fired from your job you still walk-away with millions of dollars in benefits after you've managed to decieve and exploit the small shareholders of the company that you drove into the ground!
But getting back to the possibility of an Iranian invasion, it would be completely naive to believe that it was only Israel concerned with Iran obtaining nuclear bombs. The Saudis (our oil buddies) and other prosperous Islamic nations in that region are also concerned about Iran developing nuclear warfare technology. If we continue to ignore this reality, we are refusing to acknowledge the larger economic and religious dynamics of the entire Middle East.
I am in no way, shape or form, condoning Pelosi's decision to remove Congress from the decision-making process when it comes to waging war or upholding the Constitution of the United States. In my opinion, she has disgraced the Founders of this country and has deliberately "failed" to represent the majority of its citizens.
This is a perfect illustration of what this country suffers from:
aquietman writes - "It is maddening, and I wish Obama had opposed this nutiness. Nevertheless, on a myriad of other issues, he remains the better choice between the only two that will matter in November…"
doublethink- to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary.
I am in disagreement with aquietman here, which won't make me any less pleased when he (?) turns up in comments on articles involving gay issues. He's a master at dealing compassionately, but firmly, with homophobically-enhanced regulars who typically surface with brief, vaguely snarky comments that invariably expand into defending their persistent conviction that homosexuality is indeed fundamentally deviant, unnatural, and rightly distrusted and deplored.
But, with all due respect, I'll share my response to a commenter at Salon.com who reduced every aspect of the FISA/Obama debacle into the caveat that right-thinking people should concentrate on not undermining Obama's candidacy, since he's unequivocally the Last, Best Hope for Mankind. Here's the bit that got me going-- BTW, the writer was addressing someone else's comment, not mine; my response is below the asterisks:
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This is exactly the kind of reality-ignoring rhetoric that I'm getting tired of. If you're just venting your understandable rage built up over the past 8 years, fine, go ahead. What worries me is the idea that people will actually make real political decisions like casting a symbolic vote (or not voting) based on this kind of empty-headed sentiment. -- achilleselbow
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[...] And as long as I'm already all frothy and sweating from flailing about: achilleselbow, speaking of things we're getting tired of-- I'm tired of self-proclaimed "pragmatists" or "realists" or whatever comparable virtuous label you like-- whose arguments always boil down to their belief that voting for X is ultimately compulsory.
I long ago devised an Ambrose Bierce "Devil's Dictionary"-style definition of "duty": an action or inaction, often inconvenient or disagreeable, that the other fellow is morally bound to do.
It's OK with me if your philosophy doesn't permit or acknowledge responsible objection or dissent. I would say "conscientious", but my sense is that the term could be easily co-opted by a zealot who feels that "obvious" correct vote is itself a result of having the "right" conscience, and "right" ratiocination, instead of yielding to folly, selfishness, impulse, ignorance, and other... well, "glandular hyperventilating", I guess.
My late father, more or less an Archie Bunker sort who'd been a master sergeant in WWII, liked to tell a story about a captain dressing down a soldier who'd been busted by the MPs after being AWOL for a few days. Apparently the reprobate was dumb enough to tell the captain that he was an "individual" in the course of explaining himself. My dad was impressed by how the captain read the soldier the Riot Act, beginning with, "There are no individuals over here, soldier!" There was a war on; there was no room for "individuals"; furthermore, Uncle Sam didn't bring him over here to be an "individual", etc.
I agree that the present technobarbaric culture needs a revolution, not least to wrench what's left of the Enlightenment out of the corporate technocracy which has consumed and supplanted it. And I well understand that "realists" view political campaigns like generals in an archetypical War Room, peering at hundreds of tiny flags pinned to a map, or pushing tiny tanks over battlefield maps.
But, unfortunately, for all of the terawatts of ratiocination ginned up in our blighted and broken political process, voting is not the purely rational exercise you make it out to be. And we vote as, yes, individuals. And the airy declamation that the franchise is not really a "personal" choice, but some transpersonal ("collective") act in which the self (the "id", I presume) abnegates individual qualms or reservations in favor of committing to the best outcome for society at large is the stuff of commissars and Red Guards.
So kindly stop waving your finger in my face and telling me that if I don't come around to your way of thinking, On My Head Be It! I reserve the right to honorably vote for the candidates of my choice, including not-voting, if I so choose. Stay the hell out of my conscience, and keep your probing fingers and warm breath off me in the voting booth.
aquietman - PS. Here is a short article by John Pilger that will be useful to you: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20148.htm
Excerpt:
"...Understanding Obama as a likely president of the United States is not possible without understanding the demands of an essentially unchanged system of power: in effect a great media game. For example, since I compared Obama with Robert Kennedy in these pages, he has made two important statements, the implications of which have not been allowed to intrude on the celebrations. The first was at the conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), the Zionist lobby....Obama had already offered his genuflection, but on 4 June went further. He promised to support an "undivided Jerusalem" as Israel's capital. Not a single government on earth supports the Israeli annexation of all of Jerusalem, including the Bush regime, which recognises the UN resolution designating Jerusalem an international city.
His second statement....was made in Miami on 23 May. Speaking to the expatriate Cuban community - which over the years has faithfully produced terrorists, assassins and drug runners for US administrations - Obama promised to continue a 47-year crippling embargo on Cuba that has been declared illegal by the UN year after year.
Again, Obama went further than Bush. He said the United States had "lost Latin America". He described the democratically elected governments in Venezuela, Bolivia and Nicaragua as a "vacuum" to be filled. He raised the nonsense of Iranian influence in Latin America, and he endorsed Colombia's "right to strike terrorists who seek safe-havens across its borders". Translated, this means the "right" of a regime, whose president and leading politicians are linked to death squads, to invade its neighbours on behalf of Washington. ... He did not stop there. "We must press further south as well," he said. Not even Bush has said that.
It is time the wishful-thinkers grew up politically and debated the world of great power as it is, not as they hope it will be. Like all serious presidential candidates, past and present, Obama is a hawk and an expansionist. He comes from an unbroken Democratic tradition, as the war-making of presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton demonstrates...."
It is not "capitulation." *sigh*
aquietman (1:33 pm) tries to defend his utterly conventional thinking with: "...Why not McKinney or Nader? Because neither of them will ever have a chance to win. That is a fact....You want to change the way the country runs? You join one of the two parties and then work to change it. It's that simple. You don't throw your vote away for a 3rd party candidate that may siphon off enough votes, as Nader did in Florida in 2000..."
- Everything you wrote is a letter-perfect illustration of thinking like a slave. You imagine you're telling me something I haven't heard or thought of a million times before, but you're actually just giving vent to your own very common brand of indoctrination.
Contrary to your naive notion, there is no such thing as "working to change one of the two parties from within." A review of real US history shows that the parties do not change their basic character, that they agree on almost everything; and that policy is remarkably constant, despite changes in personnel in successive administrations. There's only a very narrow range of opinion permitted in US politics. Both parties are instruments of big business, and advocates of American Empire. The few supposed "differences" between the parties are either purely rhetorical, or reflect specific constituencies that each party is obliged to pander to, because of historical alliances. (For instance, Democrats are not so tied historically to fundamentalist Christian fanatics, so they're a bit more liberal on abortion rights.)
You mention the 2000 election. Actually, in 2000 there was no major difference between Gore and Bush, though this silly opinion is always cited with angry religious conviction among the Democratic faithful. The main difference was only in the packaging & rhetoric, not in the policy. If Gore had any major "differences" with Bush, please be so kind as to remind me what the main "issues" of the 2000 campaign were.
I'll save you the trouble: the 2000 campaign actually had no real issues. The whole thing was fought out on the basis of "who was more likeable," and who "you'd rather have a beer with." Gore never cited any major differences with Bush. He didn't criticize him, didn't attack him, & was utterly at a loss as to how to differentiate himself from Bush. Therefore, you'd have to concede that either there were no real differences, or Gore was simply too timid to articulate any of them. And in practise, both of these amount to the same thing.
Thank you for the email link. I just sent him a message..
Pissed as hell that Obama now says he supports "the FISA compromise"?
Send Bill Burton, Obama's spokesperson, an email and let him know your feelings: bburton@barackobama.com
RichM and ThinkforYourself….
Let me try to answer your replies to my post..
Why not McKinney or Nader? Because neither of them will ever have a chance to win. That is a fact. Our system is not a parliamentary system. It is based on two parties only. That is why no 3rd party candidate has ever been a serious contender. Canada, on the other hand, has a parliamentary system, so having 3rd and 4th party candidates works there. That is the hard nosed facts of the matter.
You want to change the way the country runs? You join one of the two parties and then work to change it. It's that simple. You don't throw your vote away for a 3rd party candidate that may siphon off enough votes, as Nader did in Florida in 2000, to throw the election to someone like Bush. For those who don't think there is a major difference between Bush and Gore, you're delusional. Hell, there is a major difference between Bush and his own father, not to mention Republicans like Ford and Eisenhower.
If you don't like the two candidates, you choose the one you agree with most to prevent the other one from getting in. You will NEVER find a candidate that you agree with on 100% of the issues. And even if you did, you would never find one who, once in office, would do everything you think he/she should.
You have to understand that both Obama and McCain are competing for voters who are in the political middle. The so-called independents. Therefore, for political reasons, Obama may have had to voice support for this bill that he never would have supported or asked for as President. What matters is how you think they will act once they are in office. Not what they say beforehand, because unfortunately, the rhetoric is just part of the game of American politics. Always has been.
Between the only two candidates who will have a shot at this, I agree with Obama's positions many times more than I agree with McCain. I do not agree with Obama 100% of the time, and he has taken positions, or is considering things I am not happy with. I loathe the idea of him choosing Sam Nunn to be vice president, for example. But if he does, I will still vote for him over McCain, because there are enough differences between the two that matter to me.
I have not given up my independence in making my choice, I am maintaining it. Of course, since you don't agree with that choice, you will attempt to portray me as a slave. But maybe you are the slave… a slave to cynicism and conspiracy theories? Whenever someone lays a line like that on someone else who isn't agreeing with them, they've lost the debate.
I am quite aware that Cindy Sheehan will not become Speaker of the House should she win Pelosi's seat. Good God, what in my post would ever have led you to believe I thought such a thing?
Nor did I say she is a Democrat, though re-reading my post I can see how you'd think that is what I meant because the two sentences are one after the other. It was two separate thoughts. I hope Sheehan wins…. And the Democrats need a strong leader who won't give in to the right, and who the Democrats will fall in line behind. I am not politically naïve. The idea that she would win and then magically become a leader is silly. Obviously I wasn't meaning her.
Whether you mistakenly think the Democrats and the Republicas are the same or not…. It is true that the Democrats need a leader with balls who won't capitulate to unlawful presidents and call that bipartisanship.
I just loved the image of George Bush standing arm in arm with the Saudi King while our dear boy George was holding an Arab scimitar in his hand......Should they have trusted such a fool handling a sharp object?
I just tried to post a comment supporting willybill and the link:
http://www.votestrike.com/
So far my comment has not been posted. In any case, political action on 9/11/08--spead the word.
aquietman (9:47 am) writes,
"It is maddening, and I wish Obama had opposed this nutiness. Nevertheless, on a myriad of other issues, he remains the better choice between the only two that will matter in November.... "
- ThinkForYourself (11:42) has already rightly pointed out that you are thinking here just like the country's ruling clique wants you to think. The minute you accept the premise that only the D & R candidates "matter" in November, you have given up your independence. In effect, you've become a slave of the system, helping them to carry out their plans.
aquietman continues,
"...I totally hope Cindy Sheehan can shock this country by unseating her. The Dems need a shrewd leader to take a stance against the right wings assault on our constitution, and the spineless dems will then fall in line...."
- Again, you are thinking like a slave here. First of all, Cindy is not running for "Speaker of the House." She is simply running for Pelosi's seat in Congress. Even if Cindy wins, she doesn't become a "Dem leader." Cindy IS NOT A "DEM" at all. Do you understand that? Just because you aren't a Republican doesn't make you a "Dem."
Furthermore, it is not true that "the Dems need a shrewd leader." It IS true that we, the people, need good leaders -- but you are confusing what WE need, with the f*cking Democrats, who are our enemy. The "Dems" are not on the side of We, the People. They are on the same side as Republicans -- with the military-industrial complex & Wall Street, against the rest of us.
Aquietman,
Thinking that only two candidates matter is the reason why laws like this get passed. The repub-acrats think that they are bulletproff and as long as
we continue to support thier collective crimes buy voting for them they are right.
If you have the ability to think out side the box regarding Cindy Sheehan, which you should, why not Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/cong-j21.shtml
The Times quoted Senator Christopher Bond, of Missouri who negotiated for the Senate Republicans: "I think the White House got a better deal than even they had hoped to get."
The blanket protection granted to AT&T, Verizon and other telecommunications companies that helped the Bush administration carry out its warrantless domestic spying operation is a key part of this victory, but also represents a bipartisan policy.
Key word: BIPARTISAN POLICY
Go Democrats! Go Obama!
It is maddening, and I wish Obama had opposed this nutiness. Nevertheless, on a myriad of other issues, he remains the better choice between the only two that will matter in November. Judicial nominations being just one vital area we need him instead of a right winger.
Unfortunately there aren't many Jimmy Stewarts going to Washington who will stand on their own. Kucinich is an exception. Feingold too. Not many more.
The 'party' will follow their leaders, and that means Pelosi. My god, she has no balls.
I totally hope Cindy Sheehan can shock this country by unseating her. The Dems need a shrewd leader to take a stance against the right wings assault on our constitution, and the spineless dems will then fall in line.
She was obviously the wrong choice for the job of House Speaker. No need to impeach her, just vote her out..
Don't we need to hear from Daniel David about how this proves we need to insure that Obama and tons more Democrats simply MUST be elected? How only the Democrats can save us from . . . the Republicans and Democrats? Let's get some more of that overarching wisdom from DD. The more Pelosi capitulates to every last shred of policy the Bushwhackers demand, the more we need Nancy P. and her loyal robots, like my own Democratic congressman, to keep on pacifying the far right. Otherwise, the far right might WIN! We can only defeat them by doing exactly what they say. Who has the keys to this raving madhouse?
Most people vote democrat so the republicans don't win. I think this article
gives us just one more example of why that is not true.
Repubacrats working against the American people so the terrorist don't have to.
Last night, in a fit of anger and frustration, I dug up the names and contact information on the 105 "Democratic" traitors who voted to approve the latest version of the "Compromise FISA bill" -- which destroys our Fourth Amendment. I put the list on a website and will now go about "promoting" it. Ideally, with your help, we could bring this site to the attention of enough people to develop a viral network that could then gain enough critical mass among voters to remove these traitors.
Here is the site:
http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html
george w. bush June 21st, 2008 5:00 pm
Ask your doctor if Obamacain is right for you. Side effects may include a false sense of security, mania, and loss of vision, followed by despair and impotence.
--I think you may have left out rectal bleeding?
You know, Apathy is a great alternative treatment. No mood swings with Apathy... everything stays nice and still, you're still struck blind; you just don't care.
Mike Corbeil June 21st, 2008 11:17 pm
--In regards to the exemption those who have come out against the administration; I think the word "honorable" is a little much. I tend to think late is better than never, but how long were they directly involved before sensing the end was near? Like rats jumping ship.
" willybill June 21st, 2008 11:49 am
It's happening in Europe…and now there are 10 miles of truckers in Albany, NY"
What's with the truckers in Albany; is it a strike over the rising prices for fuel? Or are truckers being required to use tech. that permits the ruling elites to track every movement of the trucks?
With respect to Europe and wiretapping, ..., the following are two articles on some of this; but only with respect to Sweden. Only, yet also alarming for Swedes; very clearly so. There seems to be good political opposition to this 'hidden hand' ruling elites crap there, and the first article speaks of the 'Pirate Party' opposing.
"Spying on Swedish Citizens: Orwellian Legislation Challenged
Global Research, June 19, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9391
"Big Brother Sweden: Critics force snoop law postponement
Global Research, June 18, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9372
Pirate Party? Interesting name that is.
Don't ask me what the truth of the following article is, however Ron Paul, R-Texas, says Pelosi has worked to ensure that war can be launched against Iran without any need for congressional approval. This apparently is in a new bill, and he says that she did this for AIPAC and Israel, which is an explanation that I find questionable; believing that, yes, AIPAC and Israel surely want this, but not that they control the imperialist, ... U.S. govt, which, instead, very much controls what Israel is permitted to do, and not.
I've read of some actually concrete proof that it's the U.S. imperialists that control Israeli leadership, and the historical, although recent, proof or actions are very convincing; although I already believed that Israel and AIPAC really are not the ones controlling the U.S. govt, including with respect to U.S. policies in the Middle East, without any need for this additional proof I recently read about. If I could recall which article this was or is, then I'd provide a link; but I don't remember which and am not about to start checking all articles I've bookmarked.
So, and obviously, what's important to me in the following article solely is that Pelosi ensured that the U.S. presidency could launch war on Iran without needing approval of Congress. And she did this not by adding a clause or section, but by having the relevant one stricken out of the bill.
"Dangerous Crossroads: Congressional approval before attacking Iran is no longer required
Global Research, June 19, 2008
Newsmax"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9393
She clearly NEVER gives up being [traitor] and war criminal, does she! She couldn't make it clearer; she's totally obvious, and obviously and totally without shame, which she should be and to the point of LEAVING the country ... FOREVER, to never step foot back in the country ever again. Well, that, or lifetime imprisonment, after a "juicy" trial that wouldn't need long at all to complete or conduct.
Her criminality is so obvious that there's really no need for a jury trial; but appreciative spectators should be allowed to attend, albeit the trial should also be televised worldwide. Some of us are too poor to be able to travel to attend such trials, so TV broadcast would be welcome. Besides, you can't fit many people in a court room, although the one for her could be a large park clear of trees (to make sure no snipers hide in the trees to try to "take out" the judge and the prosecution team, say).
Anyway, there's another article of interest posted at GR today and it's about Dennis Kucinich fuming over the impeachment against Bush having been sent to the Judiciary Committee for deep burial; threatening that if the JC "sleeps" on this, with the 35 charges or articles he listed, then he'll present more, totaling 60.
"Kucinich threatens 60 impeachment articles if Judiciary doesn't act
by Nick Juliano
Global Research, June 19, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9392
I know impeachment is certainly deserved, but have one concern about this being against Bush, and Kucinich stated the reason when he presented the bill for impeaching Cheney ... FIRST; having said, like many of us have said for years now, that it's because Cheney [is] the more real president, the more dangerous of the two, and if Bush is impeached, while Cheney's not, then he automatically becomes President.
The thought of that happening makes me ... NAUSEAS. If Bush is impeached, then Cheney must be immediately next, and the two then need to be immediately indicted; and, yet, not only them, for there are many other members of the Bush-Cheney cabal administration team who should be also indicted. They are all war criminals, except for the members who broke away and exposed the criminality of the "administration"; people who instead should serve as honourable witnesses with first-hand knowledge of the facts presented.
It's idealism, but an ideal to aim for achieving, I believe. And whether or not impeachment is absolutely necessary is something I don't know, for I imagine that they could be immediately indicted and tried or sent to trials, instead; maybe (?). I don't know if that's legally possible, but I do like to see unnecessary "red tape" eliminated or dispensed with, to get to the needed point ASAP.
Perhaps the bureaucracy requires impeachment first, though, for Bush and Cheney anyway; but I don't see why this should be a necessary step, as opposed to it being a bureaucratic and political hurdle or obstruction, and of a ruse sort; for this is a case of obviously extreme crimes and the main, front-scene anyway, perpetrators are [known].
This new effort by Kucinich surely can't hurt, but I'm not always appreciative of bureaucracy; it's perhaps or probably seldom that I am. With all of the unending obstructions, maybe he doesn't have a choice as a congressman, a reality that doesn't apply for or to most of us and which we need to keep in mind for people like him; if being a member of congress does place such restraints on him.
I'd sure like to see what the additional 25 articles of impeachment are. I believe he's accurate with the 35 already stated, so the other 25 should be interesting. These hopefully will be published.
There were quite a few of my favorites that were so angry and voiced it on the Floor, since John Conyers yielded most of his time to them, he voted Nay also. Dennis, Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsey, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson-Lee said, "Voting for this bill is like puttin' lipstick on a pig!", Marcy Kaptur, Chaka Fattah, Robert Wexler.
I am not excusing the entire Democratic Party but there are a few that will fight for us. I think someone asked about the Senate vote, it is on their Legislative calender, #816, or 819, so no date yet.
I am going to Cindys site and donate, now.
I am so deeply troubled by the House's passage of the immunity for telecoms bill yesterday. I admire that Rep. Dennis Kucinich spoke passionately against it; and I regret that the Democratically-controlled House passed it anyway. I see this as a means for Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders to immunize themselves against the culpability they share with the Bush administration regarding these violations of Americans' civil rights. It is part and parcel with Democratic Party leadership complicity with the Bush policy of torture at Gitmo (and other black sites). Select Democratic leaders and committee members were briefed on these practices. They knew about the torture, and probably about the blatant violations of Americans' right to privacy, before these facts became public knowledge. The Democratic Party members of key committees, who were briefed on these actions, stood by and allowed this president to violate everything they swore an oath to protect: the Constitution of the United States, and the laws of this land -- not to mention the most basic of ethical standards. It is little wonder that impeachment was declared "off the table." Those Democratic congressional members who were "in the know" can ill afford for the facts to come out.
Anyone complaining abt the Democratic leaders not contributed to Cindy Sheehan's campaign yet?
Bush is keeping the NSA mainline wiretaps in place so they can have advantage in the financial markets thanks to ubiquitous insider information.
And it's always nice to be able to listen in to the strategy sessions of the opposing party. Nixon only wiretapped one office in the Watergate.
It's hard to believe, but the Democrats just legalized Bush eavesdropping on everyone (only for a week each time).
Ralph Nader has run for president about five times. During that time not only did he not get elected, but 50% or more voters did not vote. Let no one say they didn't vote because the two parties are the same. They can claim ignorance perhaps. Or ,probably, they don't care or didn't have time. The problem is not the system, it is the people. George knows both the system and the people. That is why he does so well and has a good night's sleep.
There is another side to all of this and WHATFOOLS partially has touched on it. Apparently, since our three branches of government have failed us, states are taking more proactive and protectionist measures to help their inhabitants. If everything continues to worsen, and likely will, then we might see states begin to look at all options, one of which is secession. Anti-federalism might be making its return.
Be happy that our double talking posters, who support Obama by attacking Nader while insisting they want to end the war, are at the weekly Republican Meet and Greet Barbeque. That is where they must get their koolaid.
I'm not saying that people don't have a right to their opinion, but they don't have a right to alter reality so that it fits in with their preconcieved notions of how government 'words.'
Can someone tell me of one important bill that was passed in the last 2 years (when the democrats controlled the house) that kept them so busy that they had to take impeachment off the table?
Be Happy, Vote Nader. Don't throw your vote away by voting democrat.
PS - I may vote green party to give them the 5% vote so they qualify for federal election funding. And they are similar to Nader on many positions. But I will make that decision closer to the election (selection?).
tobee4 (4:55) writes, "WHAT A DISGRACE THIS CONGRESS IS. November cannot get here fast enough."
- Your first sentence is fine. On that, we can all agree.
But as for your 2nd sentence -- the upshot of the article is precisely that nothing on the horizon could possibly change anything, in November. So there's nothing to look forward to. We have only 2 parties, & both are dedicated to the same basic goals. Both are fully committed to defending the interests of the US corporate oligarchy. Both advocate militarism & imperialism, and neither gives a fig about the Constitution. Both are full partners in opposing government accountability to the public. Both endorse wars based on lies, murderous occupations, endless war against phantoms, & spying on our country's citizenry.
Where are our doublethinking dems?
Doublethink - The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[
Gee...Where are those dems who blog here on behalf of Obama? Where are our wise and persistent critics of progressives for Nader? It's so strangely quiet. Do you think they may be trying to pull their feet out of their useless gobs? Perhaps the TV hasn't given them their language to parrot yet. They're all probably still glued to their telescreens anxious to hear from Big Brother.
Of course they legalize Bush's crimes; they want them made into law so they can abuse the constitution themselves. What a great "in" for them. Let the Republicans take the heat (as they should, though it should be a hell of a lot hotter), they get some flack on posts like CD and DN! but they get the booty to boot! (i.e., domestic spying laws, etc.). This friggin country...I've tried to stay positive and full of Obama hope, knowing better, but having little else to turn to. What the hell is going on?
See? There's no reason for an election. The Democrats are already in Bush's back pocket, and they don't yet have a candidate seriously interested in change.
GEORGE W BUSH: Thanks for the humor. It's therapeutic as reality continues to crash against the shores of more hopeful reasoning.
Tailcap,
You just don't get it.... Yes, the ruling was unprecedented. So what? It was still the last word. They did not rule based on any constitutional authority, that is where we all have a bitch with it, but it did rule, and in this country - because we're a constitutional republic, the Supreme court has the last say on a matter.
A ruling can be undone by constitutional amendment only.
Gore did not roll over... that statement is just idiotic.
Ask your doctor if Obamacain is right for you. Side effects may include a false sense of security, manic, and loss of vision, followed by despair and impotence.
WHAT A DISGRACE THIS CONGRESS IS. November cannot get here fast enough.
Methinks I doth protest too much, eh? ;)
If at first we don't secede I would be amazed. Our countey can't recover from this nakba.
No big surprise.
You do have a choice. Don't throw your vote away by voting democrat (or republican). Vote third party, write in Donald Duck.
Not that you can trust the elections, but if the winnig vote only gets 12%, it would at least send a message to the rest of the world.
Vote third party, vote Ralph Nader. Make your vote count for change.
Prefatory note: I prefer italics to all-caps, but I distrust the tricksy webmasters, who may whimsically and capriciously flip a switch and disappear comments using HTML tags. I long for a more perfect CD comments union, perhaps in vain.
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My thought is that the usual Democratic apologists are all on some other obscure thread here, perhaps on a pre-assigned location deep in the bowels of the Archives. Or perhaps they've found or created a new venue entirely: Common-SENSE Dreams, perhaps.
There, they sip tea and commiserate about how as soon as they SAW this thread, they KNEW BETTER than to BOTHER THEMSELVES trying to get a SENSIBLE WORD in EDGEWISE with all of the usual HATERS and NAY-SAYERS turning up like pirhana to a bleeding carcass, snapping away with their EMPTY SARCASM and unredeemed NEGATIVITY, and offering one PREPOSTEROUS theory, analysis, or response after another-- without the sense God gave a clam regarding what politics really IS, and how it WORKS! Why, they are simply TROLLS or jabbering NAVEL-GAZERS, and are simply not to be taken SERIOUSLY!
And they congratulate each other on their MATURITY, their PRACTICALITY, their acceptance of FLEXIBILITY and COMPROMISE, and deplore the trolls and nihilists and cloud-cuckoo idealists.
Perhaps someday I shall be among their company.
The other day, a typical low-consciousness Dem Party apologist posted something like this on CD: "Short of a real revolution, our best option would seem to be voting Obama and the Democrats into office with a filibuster-proof supermajority, then holding their feet to the fire..."
There are 3 things wrong with this brainless remark. First, there is no such thing as "holding the Democrats' feet to the fire." The whole notion is laughable fantasy, as any serious review of the relevant history demonstrates. With perhaps a very few exceptions, the Democrats are traitors who deserve to be strung up to lamp posts -- not elected to high office.
Second, voting for a corporatist-militarist sell-out like Obama is not "our best option." Large-scale refusal to vote for either Republicans or Democrats is a far better option. If control is given over to the Democrats, it merely means that the 2-party tyranny has triumphed once again. The faces & personalities will change, but the underlying framework of US militarism, corporatism & imperialism will be left undisturbed, & all the malignant processes will continue unimpeded.
Third, the attitude underlying the introductory phrase "...Short of a real revolution" is nothing but a reflection of standard American brainwashing, where everyone is taught to pledge allegiance to the idea that "revolution" itself is utterly unthinkable & must be automatically rejected. The truth is that there is no cure for the present terminally corrupt system "short of a real revolution." The real & pertinent questions concern only the design of the right type of revolution -- not the necessity for one.
Americans must get over their indoctrination against the word "revolution" (a particularly ironic mindset, in a country supposedly born via revolution). The people of this country are being systematically abused by the government, which itself is merely a proxy for the corporate oligarchy. A culture of resistance must be developed here. You don't accomplish this by voting for either of the 2 big business parties, which are both joined at the hip to Wall St & the military-security complex.
Since DD seems slow to provide us with his usually wisdom today, I went looking for some pro-Dem and pro-Obama apologia from other sounces. I'm astounded to find that even the obligatory Daily Kos article on the subject condemns this "logic-insulting bunk" in no uncertain terms. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope to be found yet.
The title of the piece is wrong. It should read
"The Complicit Party Legalize Bush's Crimes".
Hey American Sheeple: still loving Obama and the COmplicit Party?
Come Sept, for me it will be anyone but from the two parties. Think about it.
There is one thing about being a bottom feeder . . . the bottom keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper, until, at last, you can never find your way back to the surface. That's already happened to the Doomocrats.
Perfect example of the obfuscation of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al and the joint Republican/Democrat machine destroying our democracy. So what will all the rhetorical progressives do about it?
NOTHING!
Followed by running off to the voting booth and casting a vote on behalf of the people responsibile including Obama.
You get the government you deserve.
PS ... so far, the Democrats are correct ... we have been idiots for at least the last decade.
Its easy, when you walk into the voting booth looking for an alternative to the Republicans, DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!
An even better rule is never to vote for the candidates you see often on TV.
That's because in today's system if you see them often on TV they've got corporate money paying for the ads, or corporate media pushing them and ignoring other candidates.
Its the candidates that are ignored, ridiculed and scorned by the corporate media that you want to vote for. They are the ones on your side.
But, if we keep doing what we've been doing as voters, then we are going to keep getting the same. The Democrats obviously think we are idiots and that we'll just keep on electing them no matter how badly they screw us time after time after time after ....
~RICH M~ you say Bush and Gore were almost an identical pair, with little difference between the two.
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with that assumption. First of all Gore, didn't have "Halliburton Cheney" as the VP choice. There would not have been an invasion of Iraq and ~Hans Bliss~ and his UN team would have been allowed to finish inspections in Iraq. Just those two issues alone would have insured an entirely different world history.
We would not be on the brink of a depression wit China holding our nuts in a vice and I seriously doubt gasoline would be sellling for anywhere near $4 bucks a gallon and diesel for $5. The price of everything would not have doubled or more.
There would have been a far different scenerio with the Katrina disaster and a hundred other things, such as "NO Gitmo prison", Halliburton having made billions with government contracts, etc. Things would have been FAR different if Gore had been our president. I do agree both parties are in many ways under the thumb of the filthy rich and a wealthy few.
If any honestly believe Bush and Gore are anything alike, they are sadly mistaken, for I do believe Gore would never have treated our Constitution the way Bush and his gang have, among many other important things.
Now if you'd said Obama and Bush are very much alike, I'd tend to agree with you.
It's time for the exciting adventures of Vampire Manson and his faithful companion Lipstick Onnapig.
"Democrats Legalize Bush's Crimes". Yes, indeed. And voting Democratic legalizes Democratic Party crimes. Run Ralph. Run!