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Death By Drone: CIA's Hitlist is Murder
NEW YORK - As the Barack Obama administration continues to roll out justifications for its policy of targeting U.S. citizens and others thought to be attacking U.S. troops, legal and national security experts are pondering a central question: What if there's a mistake and the wrong person gets killed?
US 'Predator' Drone Firing A 'Hellfire' Missile There are
no do-overs. It is a death sentence.
That, in fact, has already happened. A Reuters cameraman was
killed by a U.S. drone strike when the operator mistook his
camera's long-range lens for a rocket-propelled grenade.
Nevertheless, a top Obama counter-terrorism official is
defending the government's right to target U.S. citizens
perceived as terror threats for capture or killing, citing
the example of the renegade al Qaeda-linked cleric Anwar al-
Awlaki.
Al-Awlaki, 39, was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, and is an Islamic lecturer who is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Yemen. He is a spiritual leader and former imam who has purportedly inspired Islamic terrorists. His sermons are said to have been attended by three of the 9/11 hijackers.
Michael Leiter, director of the National Counter-terrorism Center, does not say whether al-Awlaki is on a U.S. target list, but a senior U.S. counter-terrorism official has previously confirmed that the cleric is among terror targets sought to be captured or killed.
What does the law say about targeting and killing people?
Much of the discussion thus far has been about the constitutionality of such killings. But, counter- intuitively, the constitution is not the primary engine. It is largely the laws of war that are in play here.
Except for those who do not believe the U.S. is at war. Among these is Marjorie Cohn, immediate past president of the National Lawyers Guild, who tells IPS: "Targeted or political assassinations - sometimes called extrajudicial executions - are carried out by order of, or with the acquiescence of, a government, outside any judicial framework."
She cited a 1998 report from the United Nations Special Rapporteur that noted, "extrajudicial executions can never be justified under any circumstances, not even in time of war. Willful killing is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, punishable as a war crime under the U.S. War Crimes Act."
And "This is not a war," she adds.
On the issue of killing citizens vs. non-citizens, Daphne Eviatar of Human Rights First (HRF), explains to IPS, "Whether the target is a citizen isn't so important, because he's targetable if he's an enemy belligerent or civilian who's directly participating in hostilities against the United States."
She adds, "The problem with the government's drone program is that it hasn't provided the public with enough information to determine whether the government is complying with those legal requirements. The fact that someone is suspected of having ties to al Qaeda or even supporting al Qaeda does not make them a member of a foreign force fighting the United States, or someone directly participating in hostilities against the United States."
"Until the U.S. starts providing information about not only who they're targeting but what evidence exists that this person is a legitimate target, then we can't know if what they're doing is legal," she says.
Prof. Peter Shane of Ohio State University law school agrees. He tells IPS, "So long as the executive branch engages in reasonable processes to distinguish persons who are combatants from those who are not, I do not think that the use of force against them is ...unconstitutional."
"Whether any specific targeted killing is or is not a good idea, of course, is a completely different question," he says.
Scott Horton, a constitutional lawyer and contributing editor at Harper's Magazine, tells IPS, "There are two ways the government can justify the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen: one is when the person is in the act of a crime that threatens the lives of others, or serious injury to them, and no other means exists to stop him. The other is in the context of a war."
"The Obama administration appears to think that the second case is applicable with respect to Al-Awlaki, but if they have evidence to prove it, they certainly haven't advanced it to the public," he says.
And even if they have such evidence, he adds, "They haven't explained why they don't simply have him arrested and brought back to stand charges based on the crimes they believe he has committed, which appear to include terrorist activities and perhaps treason."
"They obviously need to explain why that approach won't work before they go dropping bombs in circumstances that might kill large numbers of innocent civilians in addition to killing Al-Awlaki," Horton said. Col. Morris Davis, the Defense Department's former chief prosecutor for terrorism cases who argued on behalf of a terrorism suspect that the military justice system has been corrupted by politics and inappropriate influence from senior Pentagon officials, tells IPS:
"The fifth amendment says U.S. citizens can't be 'deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.' If the constitution prohibits the government from taking your house without giving you a hearing and the opportunity to defend yourself, it seems rather ironic that they might take your life with even less formality and less process."
Prof. Francis Boyle of the University of Illinois shares serious reservations about how the government is conducting its targeting program.
He tells IPS, "What is being proposed here with respect to al-Awlaki and other United States citizens on the CIA's now publicly admitted 'hit list' is murder, assassination, extrajudicial execution, a grave violation of their right to life and human rights law, and of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution."
Glenn Greenwald, constitutional lawyer and contributor to Salon.com, is similarly troubled by the targeting policy. He asks: "Could the individuals who trust the U.S government to essentially convict people of terrorism and impose a death penalty through imperial decree - i.e., without any trials or judicial review, and based solely on the unchecked say-so of the Executive Branch - please identify themselves, and particularly explain the basis for that trust in light of this disgraceful and error-plagued record?"
Greenwald concludes: "We really are talking about a president who believes he has the right to send the CIA to murder American citizens based purely on allegations and suspicions of wrongdoing."
Bruce Fein, a conservative legal expert who served in the Justice Department during the Ronald Reagan administration, proffers another idea.
He tells IPS, "Congress should enact a companion law to FISA (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.) The president should be required to obtain a judicial warrant based on probable cause to believe the suspected American is currently actively involved in seeking to kill United States citizens."
"The warrant should authorize capture of the American suspect for trial in the U.S., or, a targeted killing if capture is infeasible or would raise a grave risk of death or serious bodily injury to the U.S. authorities pursuing the capture," he says.

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Show AllOur government reserves the right to murder anyone anywhere and has the power to do so. Unfortunately our high tech murder machine can't stop an oil leak doing more damage to us than all the perceived enemies on the President's hit list ever could.
Do not all law enforcement always risk harm and death when apprehending violent criminals?
These are political murders which slaughter far more innocent children, women and bystanders than anyone who may justly be oppossing USA oppression.
A Muslim man may have four wives, each wife may have ten children.
When the USA Predators strike a house the odds are 44 to 1 that they will kill an innocent person.
Should anyone accused of murder in the USA have their homes and families blown up?
Oh yeah, I forgot and it was not even murder charges WACO and NOW (?) where the Law burned children to save them.
And Obomber jokes about these murders from the Heavens.
It is a testament to just how far down the slope of fascism the U.S. has fallen, when the President himself can announce on public t.v. that he has the inherent right to violate the 5th Amendment to the Constitution at will, and order the execution of U.S. citizens anywhere in the world, at any time, on his say-so. That is the very definition of "dictator."
What is even sadder, and more ironic, is the fact that this Dicta.. er, President, is a former Constitutional scholar.
Let me just restate the 5th Amendment again for you right-wing cocksuckers who think this is o.k.:
"Noone shall be deprived of LIFE, liberty, or property without due process of law."
Due Process means a trial. This President IS, in fact, just as bad as W. was. Ordering murder and blatantly violating our Constitution - which he SWORE in his Oath of Office to uphold and defend - is an IMPEACHABLE offense.
Lock the dictator up. NOW.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, "It Cant Happen Here", 1935
A new law similar to FISA? What good would that do?
Bush admitted to violating FISA, and Congress did nothing but water down the law.
The largest terrorist organization in the world is the US Government.
Totally correct; the only good from fascist amerikas terrorist drones- the empire will fall all the sooner; the suffering amerika brings on the World IS dragging the empire into the abyss !
When those elected by the people to pass, interpret, and execute the law are found to be lawless it can be rightly concluded that our government no longer exists, and that what does exist is an enemy occupation, and that we've been subject to a coup by illegal combatants. We have no moral or logical reason to be loyal or subservient to such an illegal occupier, no matter that it still dons the robes and flags of our nation and its justice system. I would still rather see these criminals stand trial (rather than execution by a drone or a mercenary), and have all evidence against them brought out in public for the reason than that security in democratic nation (as well as security for those which might fall victim to those who've hijacked our war-making apparatus), which touts liberty and justice relies upon the light of day, and on 'we the people' making informed decisions.
Lawlessness.
These occupiers spread cynicism like plague by destroying even the slightest hope that justice can be found through legitimate avenues. When there is no justice from on high, all there is left is street justice (or rather 'black market' justice). Honorable, rational, and peaceful people are left with nothing but martyrdom as a response, unless they are willing to put down their fear of false labels such as 'terrorist', or of legal fictions such as 'illegal combatant'. We've become a nation that has become divided between those who have consciously become accessories to murder and theft, and those who are either silent enablers, or enemies of the state. As the heat is turned up we'll be seeing who is who.
How ironic----lies compounds by our "mendacious combination of media and government" (Chomskey)----the article points out that the subject's sermons were "attended by three of the 9/11 hijackers."
Many Americans know 9/11 to have been engineered and orchestrated by Israel and our neocons---which for many (of those who have researched it most) makes the hijackers innocent pastsies (who likely thought themselves part of a government drill just like the London bombings of 7/07/2005.
The official story of the hijackers having been religioius zealots was completely bogus. The presence of boxcutters in the van of the five Israeli agents, dressed as Palestinians, filming 9/11 as it ocurred (and dancing for joy as the destruction unfolded)---suggests contact by them with the patsies as though they were part of drill too. Of course, the hijackers were instantly named, which is too suspicious, and many were found to be alive after 9/11. One talked to his dad by telephone the day after 9/11, but his father now understands he was murdered by Mossad.
When the evidence (not presented here) is understood, it is overwhelming--which makes any reference to 9/11 as a pretext for murder, wars, spending, loss of freedoms outrageous.
PM Netanyahu (S?) just recently provided a motivation for Mossad to participate in 9/11 as part of the general 'Be scared' campaign that paints the Arabs as the big threat to both the US and Israel. Before he spoke I had wondered about that, but he makes sense of it. I think his remarks reveal a bit more than he realizes.
How exactly, do we differ from the lowest form of animal life?
they don't kill for profit.
"Lowest?"
We ARE the lowest form of animal life. Descended from the higher animals and lost a great deal of dignity in the process.
There is no "ladder" of evolution, there are no "higher" and "lower" live forms, there are just life forms. Human intelligence can be thought of as a adaptive behavior that was very useful for surviving in the harsh climates of the Pleistocene, but has since become grotesquely mal-adaptive.
"What if there's a mistake and the wrong person gets killed?"
this does not bother proponents of capital punishment...
The only way I can see extra-judicial killing is if a person is known to be about to commit a heinous crime and if a judge has examined the evidence and determines that killing that person will save innocent lives. Otherwise, the accused person should be arrested, charged, and tried in an impartial court of law--not one conducted by officials of the United States government, since that government has frequently violated the rights of defendants in other cases.
If unintended murder upon innocent bystanders is committed, then the perpetrator (here, the US government) should be charged with manslaughter in one of its several forms. A public trial for such cases would restrain trigger-happy military operatives. Such judicial procedures should be applied to all countries that commit atrocities and targeted killing including Israel, Russia, China, and the UK.
>>The only way I can see extra-judicial killing is if a person is known to be about to commit a heinous crime and if a judge has examined the evidence and determines that killing that person will save innocent lives
Why not arrest such a person and bring the evidence into court?
Do you really think a Judge Bybee or Alito would be trustworthy when decided whether it ok to murder someone?
"We really are talking about a president who believes he has the right to send the CIA to murder American citizens based purely on allegations and suspicions of wrongdoing." Not to mention "collateral damage".
Come on, Obama defenders. Where are you? Don't you want to put down our "whining"?
Exactly.
I was just searching the posts for such Oilbama apologists.
So many "progressives" use right wing styled insults, such as the accusation of "whining", when those on the left who actually still have principles intact, simply state facts regarding Oilbama being anything but "progressive".
Arry
Excellent point. There is a person who comments on Common Dreams named jake newton who admits that the killing of innocent civilians, which goes by the antiseptic title of collateral damage, does exist but simply dismisses it as something that happens during wartime. No condemnation of those who engage in this heinous act, no outrage that this atrocity is being committed. Instead, by waving it off when he states that it is a "fact", he makes it appear that there is nothing which can be done and which should be done because "collateral damage" is what happens during a time of war. And this person had the gall to claim that he is not a warmonger.
Since it has all been said before a million times,
I am reduced to saying just this..........
Screw you Executive Branch
Screw you Capitol Hill
Screw you Supreme Court
everyone of you are murderers, thieves, liars, and crooks
you belong behind bars...
especially the progressive caucus....they are devious liars.
Remember Fallujah? Cluster bombs, a civilian population of 60K and killing anything that moved for the greater good - Let God sort them out! The world is watching. Blessed be the peacemakers.
Isn't a peacemaker a type of weapon?
Matthew 5:9 - "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God". (King James)
The MIC is into in-your-face irony. Back in 82', the Reagan Administration was going to name the MX missile the "Peacemaker." They changed the name to "Peacekeeper" and came up with a BS story about why. Matthew 5:9 is why.
a 19th century Colt revolver was known as The Peacemaker.
How long will it be until the rockets red glare is shooting up our asses for having an opinion? Have a happy fourth!!!
Labor Day, have a nice summer!
But America is so very good at killing.
Bumping off people is right of gangland. Let's stop making excusing for this gangster damn behavior.
AD
The war in Afghanistan is a war and the 100,000 NATO troops there confirm it. I don't agree with the Bush war, or the Obama surge, or the NATO mission.
However, I ask, how is an Howitzer artillery shell fired several miles into a village different from a missle fired by a Predator drone?
This article is much ado about nothing.
The real question is why are we waging a war in Afghanistan at all?
This is particularly relevant when John Podesta, Dir. of the CIA, revealed on Meet the Press recently that there are only 50-100 Al Queda in Afghanistan. Why did the US spend $1 Billion on the road between Kabul and Kandahar---which the insurgent blow up every day? (The the annual GDP of Afghanistan is only $3 billion.)
The reason we are in Afghanistan is it is a crossroads country located between Iran and Pakistan that allows the US to monitor and play in both. It is also midway between the Caspian Sean oil fields and the Indian Ocean---and thus is the perfect location for an oil pipeline.
Stop the War now. Give Peace a Chance.
Absolutely correct!
It's so good to know that some of us are not fooled.
Why did the US spend $1 Billion on the road between Kabul and Kandahar---
Actually the Chinese paid a good part of this. It goes past the copper mine that they bought after Karzi got into office. It is the world's second largest un-tapped copper mine. They paid to build a road past their mine to get in equipment and begin digging and blasting. There are plans for a possible railroad line being built into China. If China is going to provide electricity to all of it's people it must have this or some other copper mine.
They are using US dollars and treasuries they bought to finance our war debt to buy up what they need for China's future. The difference is they build good will by making deals and buying it while we try to take it by force and are paying the price and getting not much.
All members of the coalition of the willing have oil leases for their companies in Iraq. Guess we won but can't go home or they will take their oil back. Isn't there a book about attacking and smashing a country then the capitalists move in for the resource rape?
Someday soon in the New American Fascist States, will be drone assisted SWAT team actions for unpaid parking tickets.
By that time, all local governments will have been privatized, and police departments will have been contracted out to Xe.
Yes, I'm being intentionally absurd, but trying to make a point about where all of this is headed.
Happy Fourth!!
We need to address the basic question of sovereignty. Who or what is sovereign? Our laws are not being enforced by officials who took an oath to do so.
If the government is sovereign, then we are subjects not citizens. If the document of the Constitution is sovereign, then We the People are subject to the thinking and decisions of our predecessors who lived and died over two centuries ago.
But if We the People are sovereign, this calls for Americans as "one people" to "alter or abolish" our government as we ourselves decide. How can We The People do that?
America needs to what?
America has never respected the "sovereignty" or government's of other nation-states.
U.S. lawmakers have not respected the rule of law since at least, if not before, the time of Andrew Jackson.
The U.S. is an imperialist nation and the constitution of such a nation-state becomes merely a cosmetic prop when these people make their fanciful arguments to an ignorant public which believes in its nation's folklore past.
America kills, kills, and kills with all kind of weapons and methods......
I am not going to get to emotional that drones are now utilized by the USA to kill others around the globe because the USA has never stopped doing such violent acts.
So, the USA continues to kill people and now uses Drones to do so? Should I be shocked?
Is this kind of killing/murder by the USA anything new?
So, the beat goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on......
When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again
When Johnny comes marching home again,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We'll give him a hearty welcome then
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The men will cheer and the boys will shout
The ladies they will all turn out
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
The old church bell will peal with joy
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Get ready for the Jubilee,
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And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.
Let love and friendship on that day,
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Their choicest pleasures then display,
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And let each one perform some part,
To fill with joy the warrior's heart,
And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home
Gotta test out and demonstrate the latest high-tech killing devices, so we can show them savages who's boss, don't ya know. (and show the rest of the world what happens if they step out of line).
US citizens take note: you are not immune from instant death, but at least it will likely be a quick death. If the Empire deems you to be an enemy of the state, watch out
It is futile to resist, so you bad ol' Talleybans best just give up and let us take control. We got a pipeline to build, strategic interests to further and opium to trade and you primitive tribesmen dare to stand in our way.
Darn, with such superior firepower, financial resources and technology you would think the Empire could have subdued a few thousand lightly-armed mountain men after all these years. We have never seen this before in history have we?
The latest estimate is 100,000 of us vs. 500 Taliban/al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Only a U.S. politician could lose so badly with odds like that!
Whether or not the President makes his case to the American people, he is assuming the role of judge, jury and executioner. That is the very definition of tyranny and way outside the limits of the Constitution.
The US does not and never has had accurate intelligence in the region. That makes it doubly reprehensible.
Now he has deployed drones to the US Mexico border. Is he going to shoot people for wanting to pick strawberries without a green card?
Maybe the next President will actually operate within some sort of visible moral framework and Obama may find himself standing next to Bush in the Hague. War crimes and crimes against humanity have no statute of limitations.
Depends on how one defines the 5th amendment? What exactly does the administration mean be "due process of law?"
Maybe our Constitutional Law professor/corporate shill president could come and enlighten us.
Bring in the clowns.
What is the difference between using drones at 30,000 ft to kill or using piloted aircraft at 30,000 ft to kill?
These weapons are virtually the same, neither have any conscience.
Robots and soldiers kill on command!
NO pilot. The whole idea is to keep U.S. body count down, and captured pilots from the enemy hands. Its bad for business. This is a crimminal enterprise and bad press is bad for buiness.
While Secretary of State Clinton complains that "intolerant governments across the globe are 'slowly crushing' activist and advocacy groups that play an essential role in the development of democracy" the US has a swat team hunting for Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks.
I am reminded of a quote of President Johnson used in a poster showing peaceful American anti-war demonstrators being beaten and tear gassed during the war in Vietnam, "You can judge our foreign policy by our domestic policy."
We seem to be NOT in the Second Dark Ages but in the BLACK AGE.
Look around you. How many people in this time wear BLACK to cover their dirt, inside and out. Most of the rest are wearing somber colors. The greatest color therapist in the world said that dark colors stand for degradation and death; light colors stand for expansion and life.
A timetable?????????????
How about right fuckin now !!!!!!
before you kill and destroy anymore MUTHA F.....S !!!!!!
HEY, Capitol Hill murderers and thieves,
you have done more damage to our country than any
enemy could have ever have wished to inflict on us.
However, the citizens didn't have any enemies,
just our criminal lawmakers who create enemies..
Bastards.
There is no reason to have rational debate on these
bloody murders anymore...........
Capitol Hill and Obama you thieven, murderin butchers
bring our troops home and lets start building an
economy that isn't dependent on murder........now!!!!!!
You´re correct, but hoping that a country that was founded and built on genocide more than 500 years ago abandons its murderous ways is a bit delusional, don´t you think?
The American economy is fully dependent on mass murder, land theft and invasions. Now more than ever. AVATAR is a great allegory of the American way. It does end well for the good side, but that just happens in the movies.
I'm reminded of a quote from Martin Buber
My [perception of] you acts on me as I act on it.
The people are killed but it is not a war. There is no such thing as a war on terror. Terror is fear. We cannot win in a battle against fear. International vigilantes or criminals who hate Americans for killing many middle eastern civilians have attacked America. They cannot be defeated by a drone murder, it is counterproductive. If we kill one in Pakistan today another 500 may rise up in any or all areas of the middle east. Americans cannot identify or locate all the violent enemy, which may not exist if we were not going around the world killing people all the time. They are International vigilantes or criminals not warriors. We have never been able to stop crime in America, how do we expect troops to do it in the world? George W. Bush decided they were warriors because he wanted to be a war president. Why isn't Bush in prison? Is it because Obama and his gang will be charged as war criminals also because he is following the same path that wastes blood and money pretending we are at war?
Genie: "There is no such thing as a war on terror"
Correct. It is impossible to wage war against an abstract noun.
Zesus, lord of the skies, was prone to throwing thuderbolts at anyone who displeased him. Obomber the GOD KING is the 21 century version.