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Tea Partyers Turn on Each Other
After emerging out of nowhere over the summer as a seemingly potent and growing political force, the tea party movement has become embroiled in internal feuding over philosophy, strategy and money and is at risk of losing its momentum.
The movement's internal squabbling has some members fearful that it will disintegrate before realizing its full potential. (Photo: AP) The grass-roots activists driving the movement have become increasingly divided on such core questions as whether to focus their efforts on shaping policy debates or elections, work on a local, regional, state or national level or closely align themselves with the Republican Party, POLITICO found in interviews with tea party organizers in Washington and across the country.
Now the disagreements and the sense of frustration they have engendered could diminish the movement’s potential influence in state and national politics.
“These groups don’t play as well together as they should,” said Kevin Jackson, a St. Louis-based conservative author and activist who has spoken at dozens of tea party-type rallies and is traveling across the South with a convoy sponsored by the national Tea Party Patriots group.
“They’re fractured at the organization level, I think mainly because there are a lot of people who have not had managerial experience who all of a sudden are thrust into the limelight and become intoxicated with it. And when a potential rift comes up, instead of handling it and maybe agreeing to disagree, they splinter and go off on their own.”
The movement is composed of hundreds of independent local groups, many of which are incorporated as nonprofits and have localized names referencing the tea parties, 9/12 or We the People.
Many of their members also belong to national conservative groups, including FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity and Grassfire, while the local groups often affiliate formally or informally with loose-knit umbrella organizations, including the Tea Party Patriots and Tea Party Nation.
The organizational chaos — combined with a widening apathy at the edges of the movement — has produced a growing consensus among local, state and national tea party leaders that for the movement to evolve from the loose conglomeration of fired-up activists who mobilized this summer to register their dissatisfaction with Obama and Congress at town hall protests and marches across the country into a sustainable bloc with the power to shape the GOP and swing elections, it will require the emergence of a national leader, group or structure.
Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, a nonprofit that has conducted organizer-training sessions for many tea party activists, said “the next three to six months” are going to be critical in determining “what’s going to happen with the tea party movement. Are they going to be a bunch of fingers, or are they going to come together to be a fist?”
Yet, while some tout a planned National Tea Party Convention in February (at which former Alaska governor and tea party darling Sarah Palin is listed as the keynote speaker) as a potentially unifying moment and others point to online coordination efforts, there is deep disagreement about what any national organization would look like and who would lead it.
FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, Grassfire, Americans for Limited Government and a host of other groups have helped organize various efforts capitalizing on the energy behind the tea parties, including providing training, online war rooms that help generate phone calls and ready-to-distribute canvassing literature.
But the groups have also jockeyed — mostly behind the scenes — to take credit for leadership of the movement, which — depending on who’s doing the telling — took its name either as an homage to the 1773 Boston tax revolt that played a major role in sparking the American Revolution or from an acronym standing for “taxed enough already.”
Some activists see the turmoil within the movement and the internal clashes as simply a part of maturing.
“Some of these groups may burn out, but this is part of this entrepreneurial process and the competition is good,” said Adam Brandon, vice president of communications for FreedomWorks, a nonprofit chaired by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas.
The group has facilitated some of the efforts demonstrating the potential power of the movement. Those have included the confrontations that erupted at congressional town halls this summer, the massive Sept. 12 “Taxpayer March on Washington” as well as another Washington rally this month and support for conservative third-party candidate Doug Hoffman, who narrowly lost a special congressional election in upstate New York this month despite strong support from many tea party groups and leaders.
Brandon stressed that the strength of the tea party movement is in its grass-roots nature and that FreedomWorks’s goal is to help facilitate the movement, not to control it.
“One thing that’s clear is that anyone who says they own the tea party movement is going to get run over because no one owns the movement,” he said.
Brandon acknowledged the “rivalries and turf battles” now gripping parts of the movement but said “that’s normal because people have different ideas about what they want. That’s what’s happening now, and it’s sometimes a painful process.”
Those fights have been waged over issues that go to the heart of the movement’s purpose and strategy as well as more mundane rivalries and personal feuds.
In Myrtle Beach, S.C., disputes within the local tea party about how much to engage in partisan politics and whether board members were profiting from contracts to print paraphernalia emblazoned with the group’s logo prompted the treasurer to resign and join with defectors from a North Carolina We the People group to form a new organization.
“There’s a lot of fighting, and everyone wants to be in charge, and that’s why you have so many splinter groups,” said ex-treasurer Janet Spencer, who charged her adversaries within the tea party with saying “derogatory things about me that were very unprofessional.”
She said her new group, called Patriotic Voices of America/Carolina Patriots, counts about 100 members and will not coordinate with the Myrtle Beach Tea Party, whose treasurer, David Ognek, said the friction is “just group dynamics.”
In Texas, a handful of thriving tea party groups severed their ties from the national Tea Party Patriots group after it ousted, then sued a founding board member who had affiliated with a rival group called the Tea Party Express.
“Our fight is in Congress and not with each other or with these other groups,” said Toby Marie Walker, who was the Texas state coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots and also co-founded the Waco, Texas, tea party.
This Waco group recently drew an estimated 4,000 people to a rally it organized with the Tea Party Express, which travels the country hosting rallies. The month before, it had pulled out of the Tea Party Patriots after the Patriots group accused the Tea Party Express of steering the movement away from nonpartisan issue-based advocacy, embracing extremist rhetoric and raising questions about the Express’s finances.
The Patriots’ attack and lawsuit worried the Waco group’s board, Walker said, because “if you align yourself with someone who is going to be that malicious, then how do we know they won’t turn on us?”
Other local tea party groups, though, cast their lots with the Patriots, heeding the group’s call to disassociate with the Tea Party Express.
In Granbury, Texas, local tea party organizer Josh Sullivan says he believes the movement’s effectiveness is being compromised by extremism.“You have some interesting folks in the Tea Party movement — some of them I can support, but some of them are kind of out there and radical, and I don’t want to associate myself with them,” he said. In Northern Colorado, meanwhile, a handful of active 9/12 groups — named for the Glenn Beck-encouraged effort to stage the Sept. 12 Washington march — are unhappy with the state 9/12 group’s aversion to fundraising and with its focus on national issues and have discussed forming their own rival statewide group.
“People are beginning to become a little bit de-energized — they’re starting to feel like they’re fighting a losing battle, because we send a lot of letters into Washington, D.C., and things like that, and people are saying they’re not listening,” said Brian Britton, who heads the Greeley, Colo., 9/12 group.
That fear is echoed by Glenn Galls, a Hot Springs, Ark., tea party organizer frustrated with the focus of Arkansas’s state-level tea party groups on national races and issues such as cap and trade and health care.
“If the tea party movement is going to continue to thrive and to grow and to have influence,” he said, “it must start coming together and coalescing and finding its purpose in life, because if it doesn’t, the excitement will fade like it does from anything else.”



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Show AllThe most damaging mistake the initial Tea Partyers made was to allow the corporate astroturf cum PR specialists like FreedomWorks into their midst. By doing so, they lost any chance to potentially enlist progressives enraged by the bailouts. Instead, they let themselves be led about by the nose to turn into the story du jour at Fox Noise. Now they are a late night comic's punch line.
This is exactly the situation where liberals and progressives find themselves.
There are too many diverse issues (i.e. too many special interests) to unite a large group of people. The methodology of splintering groups on hot-button issues (that ultimately, are really minor in the scheme of things) is working. A divided electorate is a powerless electorate.
Forget abortion, immigration, religion, taxation etc as hot-button issues. In my mind, the really big issue is getting our elected leaders to respond to us, and not special interest groups. I believe that if we can get campaign finance under control, and garner the ears of our elected leaders, then we can find ways to bring our military spending under control, refocus the ensuing savings on important social issues at home (e.g. health care), and allow states to make important decisions that affect their well-being, rather than being dictated by Washington.
I'm sure y'all have your key issues as well. So why is anyone surprised that the tea baggers are so fractured?
A few things concerning this article. First it is hard to keep a movement together that is not based on dealing with reality, (death panels for example). This is because it is easy to argue one falsehood against another until everything just ends in confusion.
Second, It is also hard to keep a movement together that is based on "I got mine, screw you if you don't have yours." (examples, I have good insurance, and I don't care if you don't. 2. If millions of new people get health care I won't be able to go to a doctor.) Why would people with that overall view of the world really want to help each other over an extended period of time.
Third, "People are beginning to become a little bit de-energized — they’re starting to feel like they’re fighting a losing battle, because we send a lot of letters into Washington, D.C., and things like that, and people are saying they’re not listening,” said Brian Britton, who heads the Greeley, Colo., 9/12 group.
Duhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the average Americans world!
NC-Tom November 20th, 2009 11:47 am -- Your second paragraph really hits home. From the outset, it was obvious that the most prominent characteristic of these people is their selfishness. Selfish people don't organize and work together effectively. They fight each other.
Even though much of what is stated here could also apply in a parallel way to progressives, there is a simple explanation.
The "Tea Party Patriots" are sibling offspring from the intimate (and some might say illicit) relationship FOX news has been having with itself. The really peculiar thing is that there is nothing hermaphroditic about Fox news, it is totally about the phallus.
Also.
This could be the final nail in the coffin for those notions about evolution.
Thank you, Birdbrain. This was never a grassroots movement. It was invented by Roger Ailes and Dick Armey, announced and promoted by Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, et.al. with buses laid on (and decorated with flags and banners) by Dick Armey. It is all Astroturf and the participants at the lower levels are too dumb to know it and all have their own axes to grind which are part shock that they don't have the lives their parents did in the 1950s, 60s and 70s and a hell of a lot of hatred because they're encouraged to think that the people who have snatched their American Dream are women, minorities, Muslims/Jews/Democrats/Nancy Pelosi and so on, but never people like Dick Armey, John Boehner and NEVER, EVER Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, 5/9ths of the SCOTUS, corporate America and the Pentagon.
It's the Nuremberg rallies all over again--but without the cohesion, choreography, uniforms and torchlight processions because, after all, we're FREE Americans and we're here to express our own opinions (to which we are entitled, this being a Free Country and all, and to prove we represent the real, down home America we leave our white robes, burning crosses, or lightning bolts and swastikas, back home. Well, most of us do.
No, it's not the Nuremberg rallies all over again. Those were a completely different phenomenon. The NRs were vast,ideological theatre, staged by the state, more like the organized state performances in N-Korea or the parades of military gear we used to see in the USSR on May Day. The NRs performed a carefully crafted drama to pull the people in. They were intended to create consent, group hysteria, collaboration of the people; they were not expressions originating from the people. Also, attendance was compulsory.
It's a completely different thing. No comparison is possible. The Obama rallies are much closer to the NRs because they share the features - ideology, idealized narrative, a heroic figure, vast numbers of people with the same dream, music, a carnival atmosphere, a sense of solidarity, sentimental manipulation, the carefully orchestrated character of the event.
These tea parties are just loose ad hoc assemblages of ignorant dupes who can't agree on a narrative, not even of their own miserable lives. Joe "the Plumber", who is completely lacking in verbal skills, unemployed and behind in his taxes, is a typical example.
What all three share is a top-down dynamic that indicates the falseness of each one.
You know, there was a whole bunch of history before WWII. You might want to look at the Weavers' Revolt of the mid 1840's, which bears a much closer relationship to what's happening today.
[http://www.bookrags.com/research/weavers-revolt-sjel-02/]
A way to prepare for your own revolt, when the time comes.
Most of the rest of the world wants to march forward into the 21st century. Why is it that in this country it is considered a virtue to retreat into the 19th? If the "teabaggers" hate progress so much, they might find what they are looking for in the Central African Republic ....
RE: Why is it that in this country it is considered a virtue to retreat into the 19th?
I would put in more like the 17th century (or earlier). Teabaggers, fundamentalist Christians et al, want a return to a theocratic state - (their) God and King. They are threatened by modernity and want a return to an imagined simpler world. Essentially,they want a return to feudalism where reality is defined by their Church. It strikes me as a marriage of virulent Puritanism and Corporatism. Their "movement" is decidedly anti-Enlightenment, anti-science and irrational. If they succeed we will have a new Dark Age.
In Nazi Germany, the Blackshirts (SS) fell out with the Brownshirts (SA). The SS emerged victorious. The Republican SS Blackshirts, epitomized by the likes of Mitt Romney, Bush Limpdick, Tim Pawlenty, ad nauseum, will defeat the Tea Bagging Brownshirts like Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann if it comes down to a life and death fight. The rabble and the hoi polloi will never be allowed to have any real fist smashing, money grabbing power in the party. The Blackshirts merely want their votes. The Democrats have their own version of this. Their Blackshirts (the Clintons, the DLC, Obama) rule and con progressives into voting for them. The left is then left to twist slowly, slowly in the wind.
Exactly my own thought Mordechai--looks likeEernst Roehm and Heinrich Himmler are alive and well and living in the land where dreams come true if you just wish upon a star hard enough!
Poet
very nice fella's very nice. and if you look at the history of these
kind of movements the real players let the pretenders slug it out
kill each other whatever may happen then seize control after all
the rough stuff is over with. its always better to lay in the weeds
then get your brains beat in by severely crazy folks. these types
definitely fit the bill.
My teabagger group "Paranoids Encouraging Nonconforming Individuality Society" (PENIS) now refuse to recite the society's loyalty pledge!! Or when we force them to recite it in unision, they try to make up their own words!!
We are gojng to get those traitors!!! How dare they refuse to swear to loyalty to my PENIS together!"
“if you align yourself with someone who is going to be that malicious, then how do we know they won’t turn on us?”
And with Palin as their queen, (backed by Murdoch and Fox), constant book signings and appearances in disgruntled America...they will march in step to the lies perpetrated, in misunderstanding and diversion of the truth, to the delight of the corporatocracy...., reasonable discourse and thoughtful thinking abandoned to reptilian adrenalin rushes.
Interesting. In most of the world an ambitious woman politician might aspire to be a modern version of Queen Boadicea or Elizabeth I. In America it's a barely literate, small town, dough-faced and over made-up housewife who can't keep a job, jumping from spotlight to spotlight dragging her disfunctional family around with her and whining about how she is put-upon be the same media she shamelessly hogs.
You mean like a bush league Hillary Clinton, complaining about the "vast left wing consiracy," who managed to get herself elected governor of some west bumble state while her husband watched the kids?
What's new, here? Sarah Palin is the Republican answer to the 2008 Democratic Primary election. If it were not for John Edwards, Oppression Olympians Hill and Bam would never have had an issues based electoral platform at all. (And we see where that went).
Sometimes you get the opposition you deserve. This is clearly one of those times.
So good to see my Hero, Queen Boadicea brought to light. She's the one I'd want to emulate. She had real guts! Of course Queen Elizabeth I had them too, but she never led her army in a fight like Boadicea did.
The difference was almost certainly that Boadicea was queen of a matrilineal and matriarchal society (as all the Ancient Britons were), whereas Liz I was queen of your regular post-Early-Christian patriarchal society. And the reason the British tribes (not only her own Iceni) flocked to B's cause was because the Romans had refused to recognized that she was the ruler and when she tried to assert herself they stripped and flogged her in public and raped her daughters.
I'm not detracting from her heroism, but the circumstances were different. Moreover, had Elizabeth been killed leading her men it would have been the end of England and the protestant religion in a holocaust of burnings-at-the-stake. That being the reason for the Spanish Armada.
Bring back the matriarchy, and you'll get your chance, Shadre!
Seriously, these poor ignorant people on the right are just being used by the establishment to further their own agenda by telling them what they want to hear, without any intention to ever follow through...
...much like Obama did with the poor ignorant people on the Left.
Jeevee
The Disunited States of America...
Jeevee
The Disunited States of America...
The video documentary depicting the TeaBaggers done by BradBlog is a must see, http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7508
Wow! breath-taking!
Proof that there are no issues, semi-central or otherwise. Just a notch above seaweed in intellect, they know they're discontent, but can't articulate the cause.
Poor things.
The "socialists" actually sound a teeny bit better informed and seem to be capable of joining a couple of dots or three.
The two factions can't really be thrown together - who thought they could be?
*sigh*...How long before these groups implode?
Rattle snakes commit suicide if they are stupid enough.
Yeah, but the snakes are not.
I'd say do what ever is needed to keep the population from coalescing around anything even remotely close to a tax revolt. Unless the Dem people's money is different from the Rep people's money. Everybody's threshold of pain is different when it comes to social issues. Except money.
"... but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay.
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite" Daniel 2:43,44
And your point is?? Stick with modern day politics. God will take care of God's own agenda with us in time. Just be ready yourself!
Please stop calling these people a "movement" or "grass-roots". They're a loose mob of tiny grudge-clubs, completely unaware of how their actions contradict their own experiences, mixed with "get-a-brain-morans", incited by the likes of Murdoch/Fox as a mere ad hoc weapon against public health care, also called "astroturf".
They'll cheer and roar and chew up the scenery for any demagogue who arouses them, and earn nothing but contempt from those who manipulate them.
Read Act I of Julius Caesar. You'll see the recipe for "astroturf" (Roman empire style) brilliantly demonstrated.
"...the rabblement hooted and clapped their
chapped hands and threw up their sweaty night-caps
and uttered such a deal of stinking breath..."
"... if Caesar had
stabbed their mothers, they would have done no less."
Act I Scene 2
...
"Tear him, tear him! Come, brands ho! fire-brands:
to Brutus', to Cassius'; burn all: some to Decius'
house, and some to Casca's; some to Ligarius': away, go!"
Act I Scene 3
The mob doesn't have its own, independent life or motivation. Irrelevant most of the time, it is merely a weapon, to be hauled out as needed, and then abandoned.
NOT a "movement" at all.
Only a movement if the rank and file can quote Shakespeare?
Most of America's social movements have been labeled mobs at one point or another.
The tea party crowd is not much of a mob though. Haven't seen any loooting, arsons or beatings, have you?
a. irrelevant what they quote - a real movement will find better slogans than "get-a-brain-moran"[sic]
b. it depends who is doing the labelling.
c. give it time.
A movement arises from the pop - vox populi. It's not summoned and loaded onto chartered buses by agents of the ruling class.
well, they are the ones doing the legwork, whether they're bused in or not. that fact is irrelevant. are they being mobilized around key issues that they believe in? yes! are they the electorate? yes! i would watch your language, and maybe even as deeply your thoughts, in maligning these protesters as unwitting dolts, because they actually believe in and for what they are saying, the same way you and i do. it's scary as hell to me to see this many people protesting for semi-central teaparty issues.
it's nice to hear that they are as fractured as the Left was during the late 1960's, i.e. the constant infighting in the Black Power movement, the anti-war movement, women's and gay rights, etc., so there may not actually be much fall out and the Democrats, mind you Repub-lite in large part, can sleep assured that the half-assed, nay eighth-assed bills they pass in the name of the new Silent Majority will go unprotested, lest an unwanted "moran" from South Carolina speaks 'truth' to power.
as someone else asked, why isn't there this protest on the Left? are we all so satisfied with the actions of Obama to this point that the majority of us stop at democracy meaning our right to vote every four years, or, are we ready, like the teabaggers, to ditch work, drive a hundred miles, and fight for what we believe in?
--the crust--
Not at all the way I do.
Some people believe that the earth is flat, that hair dropped on the ground turns to worms when it rains, that the world was created 6000 years ago, that evolutionists claim we're descended from monkeys, that pelicans feed their own flesh to their young, that the Shroud of Turin belonged to Jesus. Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, Yeti, Aliens, Atlantis...yada yada.
Those teapartiers *are* unwitting dolts - or victims of cynical manipulators or opportunists. It's too bad, really, pathetic. You can't think that Medicare, pension and SSI recipients can honestly protest the taxes that support them. I've seen some videos documenting the protests and registering the protesters' comments - they really are stupid, appallingly so! Erickson demonstrated just how stupid the other day, by getting the crowd, made up almost exclusively of people of European descent, to demand that immigrants of European ancestry be deported.
Get it: there are no "semi-central teaparty issues". They're manufactured. There's no centre. The source of the issues of choice is external to them.
Is there really no protest on the Left? Or do Uncle Rupert and the MSM just not publish it?
this is a strawman argument to even mention these myths. because people actually do from time to time 'make it' in this economy, they think they can as well. that's the ethos of this tea-party non-sense. free markets, freedom, etc. they are mutually co-existing ideas for those who do believe in the transformative power of the market.
as to the example you explained, what were the circumstances of it? were they asking about recent immigrants? many americans, in my experience, don't see themselves as Euro, rather as completely american, so these shifting planes of perspective slide over one another and turn out various responses that correspond to how they understand their place in america, as americans or white-ethnics.
the issue of choice is often as manufactured on the left as it is on the right, but in a different direction, no pun intended. the right has, in large part, created a reactionary ground to fight against for the left, something to work against, external to them.
the g8 protests don't register as real protests insofar as they happen about as often as voting does, and organizing is where the real power of the left lies. the right has proven that they can *organize* which is what building power is about. in the same token, it is as much grassroots as the left. if you're going to mention protest by the Left that does much of anything, what are examples of it?
really basic anthropology and ethnography studies have proven that the mind of those participating in a community, as a collective identity, formulate what is thought of as real or 'fake.' the left, as a rabbling crowd itself, has the overwhelming tendency to arrogantly dismiss those that disagree as dolts, insane, or delusional. you don't really win people over that way. rather that insisting that they are any of the above, why don't we look to the frameworks and institutions that have born their positions as choice-making individuals? i agree that there is a fair amount of disinformation that is pumped out by machinery of exploitation, but it doesn't work unless people actually buy into it. take their positions, and them, seriously and maybe we'll get somewhere. by practicing a constant policy of dismissal, where are we getting? sounds to me like the 'regressive' right is accomplishing their task of fracturing the people who may benefit from progressive changes by playing you against people on the right.
How very ecumenical of you, but this is one cluster of illiterates that won't accomplish anything but noise. They don't believe anything - they don't know what to believe. It's sad, really. I know they're unhappy and justified in their anger, but they need to be better at identifying the cause for themselves and not letting others decide it for them. That's the mindless nature of the mob that Shakespeare was decribing in Julius Caesar.
Protests of the left that work? Strikes, though not always, and the huge anti-segregation / equal rights movement of the 50's and 60's, the various waves of feminist movement.
I insist the astroturf / teabag protests do not make up a movement. I do not say that working class joes lack a cause. I think they are way overdue for a cause, but they need to find it themselves and not be willing dupes for those whose interests really run against them.
Look at that bradblog link - the video evidence is heart-breaking.
so there
And this article is a surprise...? Most of them are illiterate ( ever read their signs? oy vay! ) , the rest are just angry racist southern rednecks ! Who are they following as a leader? Palin? She just commiteed political suicide with her book, and tour! However, they are dangerous, and I see further episodes of this as the frustration over just the events portrayed in this article come to fruition. Let's just hope they continue to turn on each other and not some innocent scapegoat.
Don't ya just wish they would just die a quiet death ? Sigh...
My how Hobbesian. I don't see how dangerous they can be if they can't even agree on anything.
And no, I don't wish they would just die. I wish they would back the audit the fed movement, Ron Paul wing. Actually, I can see that it would be necessary for the establishment to discredit that--which is certainly what they've been doing, dragging the "Teabaggers" this way and that, rather than retaining focus on things that are important.
Although, frankly, I can't argue with the baggers that they/I are indeed "taxed enough already."
Exactly.
The poor Tea-baggers are like marks in a crooked Casino. They know they're broke and that they've been screwed, they just don't know who did it to them. They march around in confusion, stunted by years of Faux News misinformation. Security leaves them alone because, odds are, they'll stumble right back to the same rigged games they've been playing.
If you ask them what's the difference between the deficit and the debt, they can't answer you. If you ask them how much was committed to bail out Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae they just return blank empty stares because they have no idea what those things are. If you show them a table of the bailout moneys lavished on Wall Street and committed to by bush, they protest that surely those liberals have spent more. Since they can't read past the grade school level, 100 percent of their info comes from TV and right wing radio distortion like "Rush the Druggie" and "Shaun Insanity" or joke emails from right wing friends who are just as clueless as they are. It's tragic.
I agree that the only hope is to herd them into the Libertarian Party. The third biggest party is where we should all be imho.
I love Brad Friedman and his "BradBlog" by the way. In his archives he has documented flagrant election fraud from 2000 to now. He's a good reporter who the MSM tried to get rid of.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
It's easy to make fun of the tea partiers, but what we should be doing is following their example. Mind you, not by advocating reactionary positions or making unnecessary holocaust references, but by hitting the streets to demand the solutions that our government refuses to consider.
The tea partiers are funded by astroturf organizations and supported by Faux News, but aren't progressives clever enough to organize rallies on a shoestring budget? Thousands of people turned out against the Iraq war.
A big problem is that we segregate ourselves into issue groups, which are easily co-opted by the Democrats without actually giving us much of anything. I see the Green Party as a group that can unite activists for many different causes, but you don't have to be Green to want to show politicians that they need to do more to earn your vote.
If there were progressive rallies for Medicare For All the size of the tea parties, it would force the issue into the public discourse. Why are we sniping at poor ignorant saps in tricorn hats, instead of hitting the streets ourselves?
Woohoo. "Thousands of people turned out against the Iraq war." I'm sorry to be so hard on your statement, but "thousands" is truly pathetic. I can easily get "thousands" to attend a kegger on campus.
Lets see. In a country with a population of 350 million, even a "million" people protesting on the streets is only 0.3% of the population. That's not enough to swing an election.
We need 10s of MILLIONS of people hitting the streets to make a difference and implement change.
From the article:
"Many of these differences date to the movement’s beginnings last winter in an outpouring of anger about the huge increases in government spending enacted by President Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress."
This is disingenuous. The "outpouring of anger" was initially against Dubya's Treasury Secretary Paulson's TARP bailout, when the groundswell against it was so loud and overwhelming that the Congress initially turned it down, but then "cooler heads prevailed" and the Congress overruled the Will of the People. Obama merely expanded with a related "Keynesian stimulus." (Remember, "We're all Keynesians now...")
Meanwhile, while for Tea Party insiders keeping track of their bickering this article probably has some value, but for an outsider like me it is little more than he said/she said. I learned virtually nothing of substance on the issues, which I suspect is Politico's modus operandi (unlike Propublica, which has been doing yoeman work on natural gas "fracking").
I'd be attending tea parties if I knew of any nearby, just to find out what they're REALLY saying. They don't advertise their meeting in my local papers, so maybe they are doing it on the internet. Or by phone. Like we did back in the good old days.
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Hey Jeevee---
Instead of "Disunited States of America," just transpose two letters: UNTIED States of America. Your expression implies some external force applied. "Untied" suggests an unraveling from within. Some may think it's just a typo, but it isn't.
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'TARD FIGHT!
The Tea Baggers, the best bunch of retards that corporate money can buy. Now, if it were up to me, I'd make pass loaded guns to each and every one of them, hide behind a wall and watch the show.
"Tea partyers turn on each other." wonderful, another needed format to thin out the population. Nature works in mysterious ways.
Such splintering is an old story. We've seen it on the left as well as on the right. Working out disagreements and staying united takes more maturity and organizational skill than is likely among angry tea baggers.
Hey...we on the left have something in common w/ those dumb tea-baggers on the right...who'd of thought??? Can we learn from them our own "fight for the limelight" or will we ignore this glaring obstacle and keep sliding down???
No more HOPE....time to MAKE REAL OUR VISION FOR A JUST AND EQUITABLE WORLD!!!
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
These tea-baggers at least have some passion even if they are so drenched in Rush Limbaugh's mythology of "rugged individualism" that they can only flail away at organization. They've still accomplished more than American progressives (who are still completely scattered and on their collective ass) in the last year.
“Our fight is in Congress and not with each other or with these other groups,”.....
Exactly! And that fight would include congressional Democrats and Republicans.
We need run-off voting in this country and not just a choice between Democrats and Republicans.