Climate Change Gives Rise to New World Order
RIO DE JANEIRO - Once again, humanity is facing the risk of catastrophe. The terror of destruction by nuclear missiles ready to be launched at the touch of a button has given way to the disturbing possibility of global warming going past the point of no return, and this is turning traditional international coalitions and geopolitical concepts upside down.
Although the seriousness of the threat to human survival has been acknowledged in diplomatic rhetoric, the international powers are still not giving the climate crisis the absolute priority it deserves. The old divisions and disputes arising from strategic, economic, trade and ideological issues continue to predominate.Brazil, for instance, should join the European Union (EU) in a “virtuous and responsible alliance,” and distance itself from China, the country that now emits the greatest volume of greenhouse gases and has an “irresponsible” attitude to climate, Eduardo Viola, a professor of international relations at the University of Brasilia, told IPS.
In the view of this pioneer Brazilian scholar of global climate security, only cooperation between the main greenhouse gas emitters can create the conditions needed to avoid dangerous climate change, which will occur if the average surface temperature of the planet rises by more than two degrees during the course of this century.
An important factor will be whether or not U.S. voters chooses a president in November 2008 who is capable of taking a leadership role in facing this challenge.
Brazil, the sixth largest greenhouse gas emitter after China, the United States, the EU, India and Russia, could contribute to climate-friendly progress by allying itself with European governments and Japan to work for “a transition to a low-carbon economy,” assuming major commitments and recovering the degree of environmental leadership it enjoyed in the 1990s, said Viola.
The peculiarity that deforestation accounts for 60 percent of Brazil’s greenhouse gases means that this country can reduce emissions at a lower cost than larger emitters, he said.
Brazil’s annual emissions were one billion metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalents in 2004, but have already fallen by more than 30 percent, because the rate of deforestation of the Amazon has slowed by more than half over the last three years.
However, the equivocal attitude of the government of Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva prevents it from taking advantage of this result to strengthen its position in climate negotiations, complained Rubens Born, coordinator of the non-governmental Vitae Civilis institute.
“If Brazil were more independent of the Group of 77 (G77) and China, it could make a difference to the future of climate change,” Born told IPS.
The G77, now made up of 130 countries, was formed in 1964 to defend the common economic interests of developing nations. But it is dysfunctional with respect to climate issues, because of the presence of China and the petroleum exporting countries, which have conflicting interests with the rest of the group, said the activist.
Born returned with a sense of disappointment from the Dec. 3-15 Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) in Bali, Indonesia.
Political manoeuvring prevented the adoption of an explicit target for industrialised countries’ greenhouse gas emission reductions of 25 to 40 percent by 2020, and relegated the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to a footnote, which “weakened the goal” of the meeting, he said.
(The Nobel Prize-winning panel of 2,500 scientists said in its final report this year that this target range for emissions reductions with respect to 1990 levels is necessary in order to avoid the worst climate catastrophes.)
Some progress was achieved at Bali, such as including steps to protect forests in the Bali “roadmap”, the approval of a climate change adaptation fund to help poor countries protect their people against climate disasters, and encouragement for the G77 to take “measurable, communicable and verifiable” national actions for climate change mitigation, even though developing countries are not obliged to do so under the Kyoto Protocol.
However, these outcomes are insufficient to ensure negotiations will progress at the necessary speed, and “we only have two years” to reach a difficult agreement, Born said.
The new reality demands “a different way of grouping countries,” based on criteria that differ from the traditional economic or military rationales. Environmental and climate issues must climb to the top of the agenda in national and international policy-making, he said.
Brazil is pushing for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, but enlarging the membership of the Council will not solve anything, he said. Instead, he argued, “its functions and agenda need to be updated to include food security and climate security.”
Brazilian diplomacy is facing a growing movement of environmentalists and political opponents who criticise the “postponement” of their environmental and trade policy demands. The reason for their anger is the Brazilian government’s “ideological option for the Third World,” said Viola.
His view is shared by diplomats and members of the business community who are against Brasilia’s policy of seeking stronger ties with Africa, the Middle East and Asia, in an effort to create trade links which they believe are to the detriment of trade with wealthy markets. These alliances have given Brazil a leadership role in the negotiations for a new agreement at the World Trade Organisation.
But when the issue is climate change, these alliances mean that Brazil continues to “save China’s bacon,” according to José Goldemberg, who was environment minister in 1992 when Brazil hosted the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where the U.N. Conventions on Climate and Biodiversity were approved.
It is absurd to place China, now an economic and technological powerhouse, in the same category as African countries like Burundi, in terms of need for financial aid and technology transfer to help developing countries mitigate and adapt to climate change, Goldemberg, a physicist and energy expert, said in a televised debate.
The crisis requires cooperation by every country, otherwise the ship will sink anyway, and it won’t matter who was historically responsible for the leaks in the hull, he said.
China emitted 5.7 billion tons of carbon dioxide equivalents in 2006, surpassing the 5.6 billion tons emitted by the United States. More alarming is the difference in their annual rates of growth of emissions: eight percent for China and one percent for the U.S., according to statistics from several official and independent sources, said Viola.
Between them, they account for 43 percent of global emissions. China has adopted an economic growth model based on heavy environmental and climate impacts, said Viola, who puts both countries in the “irresponsible” category.
Global climate security depends on a “grand agreement” between the 13 largest emitters, which each contribute over 1.5 percent of the world total, to achieve a substantial reduction in global carbon dioxide emissions, Viola said.
The academic described two alternatives to this future scenario: the Hobbesian, according to which nation-states control their populations, while in the international arena the most powerful nation controls the world order — which he said would be catastrophic, given current tendencies; and “deepened Kyoto,” with more mitigation, but not enough to prevent global temperatures increasing by more than two degrees by 2100.
“A grand agreement will demand the political will for in-depth cooperation for the long term,” but the commitment of some leader countries could help to persuade others to come aboard, Viola said. The EU is already committed, and the United States might become a partner after next year’s elections.
The “first circle” would be completed with China and India, which is responsible for nearly 11 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. However, it would be difficult for these two countries to curb the strong growth in their emissions, given their dependence on fossil fuels.
In the “second circle” of large emitters, made up of Russia, Brazil, Japan and Indonesia, the main difficulty may stem from Russia, a big exporter of oil and gas, where the élite hope that global warming may grant the country a windfall of more agricultural land.
Japan has one of the lowest levels of carbon intensity among industrialised nations, as it emits only 0.15 tons of carbon dioxide equivalents for every 1,000 dollars of gross domestic product (GDP), compared to 0.40 tons in the United States.
But Japan has not confronted the U.S. about climate change because it depends on U.S. military protection.
Since the break-up of the former Soviet Union, Europe is no longer constrained in the same way.
The equation is a complex one, but an alliance between the U.S., the EU and Japan, with the possible participation of Brazil, might be a very persuasive combination and offer a greater contribution to mitigation of climate change than the rest of the world put together, Viola said optimistically.
Copyright © 2007 IPS-Inter Press Service.
“…whether or not U.S. voters choose a president in November 2008 who is capable of taking a leadership role in facing this challenge.”
That is our choice to make. (Although, we really need to get a lot of votes to counter the Republican strategy of election rigging, subliminal messages, and voter fraud.)
We also have the ability to lead through example as individuals, communities, and as a nation.
Are democrats really going to tackle climate change? Just like they tackled Iraq when they won back congress in 2006?
Democrats won’t do $hit about climate change.
IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND-THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS GIVING RISE TO GLOBAL WARMING !!!they are the ‘deciders’…they are the corporate banking structure…it is their diddling-around with electromagnetics,bombs,uraniums,lusts for timber..they are the ones responsible for dumping oil and pollutants in the oceans…their mega-programs such as H.A.A.R.P.it is their funding of’genius’cell phone towers..satellites…WARS..nuclear power plants..etc.etc.etc…they are the bastards detonating explosives on the surface of other planets,such as jupiter.the NEW WORLD ORDER HAS CREATED GLOBAL WARMING,just as they bankroll and have created all the modern and ‘convienient’ ‘luxuries’-we all lap-up and use and consume….we the little people are guilty of being enablers and consumers,we support the new world order in their exspansive quest for ever more money and power=AT THE cost OF OUR own world( PLANET)(and most recently,even other planets as they EXSPAND their wreckage and destructions.the new world order will not stop..it is up to us,locally at a grass-roots effort to install wind,sun and tidal power…to push for updated waterless plumbing.THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS DESTROYING OUR WORLD..THE NEW WORLD ORDER,the deciders,the bankers….even al gore knows the REAL TRUTH,that the new world order is destroying our world…and we are just the enabling consumers…… this headline should read “NEW WORLD ORDER GIVES RISE TO GLOBAL WARMING” !!!
When lots of words are capitalized, it lends credibility to your post.
…..or not.
Not another ‘New World Order’. (sniff)
I much prefer the UK band New Order.
this headline makes me angry…when are the people going to lay the blame squarely where it belongs ??only then can we get down to the grass roots and work at fixing the problems,from the bottom-up.it is the very top that are the destroyers..the bushmasters of this world.they want you to take all the blame,but we are not the ones dumping millions of gallons of oil into the oceans..we are not the ones deciding to go to war and dropping bombs and murdering both the earth and mankind,-they are…we are not preparing to war in the galaxy-they are..they are the ‘deciders’and i use capital letters because i am so sick and tired of of hearing the real criminals not being blamed for all the destructions,they have wrought..the new world order INVENTED all the things that are murdering mankind and the planet..and now they seek to carry their destruction to other planets..and we cannot stop them,unless first we blame them and hold them accountable.the new world order=gives rise to global warming.THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH !! the politicians,are part of the problems….a person must be very wealthy to run for any office and they will always come down on the side of ‘profit’ and they all know who is lining their pockets,buttering their breads and greasing ALL the wheels,(it is)=the new world order and all the ‘deciders’ at the top.all we can do is place the blames where it rightfully belongs and start work from the bottom-up(because that is where ‘we’ are)and try to undo that which is wrong..
“An important factor will be whether or not U.S. voters chooses a president in November 2008 who is capable of taking a leadership role in facing this challenge.”
Why do we need leadership when we have direct online democracy and the ability to have referendums on everything? If 75% of the American public is online, that’s better than the half that votes. Getting rid of professional politicians sounds good to me!
More words nothing will be done, it is going to continue until the next real emergency happens and then the emphasis will be on calming the citizenry with storm troops, nope, no hope here, and no matter what unless you control the money ain’t gonna happen. So get used to your new lifestyle what there is of it, and just smile because the owners of the earth do not want it to change and the rest of the humans have not power not even together, they are just flat out of luck. Party on.
This endless hypocrisy is staggering. Canada alone emits 20 times more carbon than India per capita !! But hey … white people are allowed to pollute the fucking world since they own it right ?!!!
sounds like Brazil may be recognizing the value of their forests….
rain forest like none anywhere else on the planet….priceless
it is the very same thing as impeachment of bush/cheney……none of these ‘GLOBALWARMERS’ are being held accountable,or even BLAMED…they are,as usual as always…the culprits.”impeach the globalwarmers” halliburton sucks…
“Bottom up” actions by individuals and communities will accomplish nothing without a “bottom up” political system to match. There will be no significant availability of “green” choices that do not increase the amount of “green” paid to choose them. The most important thing that our nation could do would be to repeal the oil depletion allowance, transforming it into an oil depletion tax (which would have made more sense all along). This would have the effect of sharply reducing retail automobile driving, bolster the demand for reliable public transport, and make most plastic disposables unable to complete with more eco-friendly substitutes like paper. No amount of “bottom up” awareness can effect this change.
SERAPHICMOM
i agree with you entirely. most people are brainwashed and the rest are too few to make a difference. to see what is happening in china go to the website of the international herald tribune and look at the special series done by the nyt called: choking on growth. but don’t worry, today russia tested a new ballistic missile capable of a range of 6000 miles and carrying multiple nuclear warheads. so with a bit of luck they’ll drop them in the middle of the earth and put an end to all this misery.
coco..i just dont want to see it end that way…….i believe we must re-write the script,every 2000 years,to create an alternate ending.i desire to be an optimist, and i am painfully, a realist.
bottom-up can accomplish something, but not nearly as quick without some top-down support…
The title should have read “Climate Change Gives Rise to New World Disorder, Unless . . . ”
The choice is between sustainability and ecocide folks—with climate change one of the key factors to stabilize, among many others such as ocean levels, biodiversity, soil fertility, population, etc.
you need to start thinking ‘outside the box’…the massive & unprecedented eco-transformation that’s occurring here on Earth is also occurring on every planet in this solar system…and many moons too…NASA is well aware of this….Richard Hoagland’s website www.enterprisemission.com has been posting this data for years. Unless there are ‘SUV’s on Jupiter’, ’something else’ is happening and it’s much more than industrial pollution. The archive link on enetrprisemission will help you. This is all about “Ascension”…It’s time to start seeing the ‘Big Picture’…
Major global paradigm-shattering announcements & events soon….
http://paoweb.com/sn122507.htm
yes,thomas……that’s on the ticket, is also what i’m talkin’ about…you know that it is so !…………it is (true) !it doesnt end just here on earth on just this one planet…think dominoes.and the new world order is very busy helping to spread it thru the galaxy much quicker..just as they have done with global warming.
climate change grows worse and permeates the heaven’s.the nabobs responsible for the expansion and velocity of climate change are not content with merely ‘owning’ the earth,their greed wants no boundaries and they seek to branch their destructions and send their wrecking crew into the universe.the people that are the ‘architects’of this new world order are already way ahead and are thinking ‘galaxy’…it is the same insatiable bottomless greed they exhibit here on earth,that drives them to branching out to include the galaxy
gyptian
The attitude toward my government (Canada, and several provincial governments) that I have is expressed by a Bangladesh delegate at Bali whose words about the stand of our government’s were caught by a CBC news microphone, “These people don’t give a s–t about us.”
As for Russia figuring that they gain arable land by global warming, I have heard that mentioned here in Canada for our northerly tundralands, and I just can’t figure out where they are going to get the top soil from.
this (Earth changes)is a metaphysical event…a Divine Cosmic Drama…that’s why the ruling cabals have suppressed the info & researchers re; the dynamics of what is going on…this has been 13,000 years in the making…the Earth itself is consciously morphing herself back to her ‘full consciousness’ state…when Atlantis destroyed itself back then, this was ‘the fall’ that organized religions speak of…right now we, this planet & this solar system & beyond are ‘returning’ to our previous ‘full consciousness’ selves…hence the global chaos as not only one global system is being consumed by a new one, a new reality is also birthing as well.
This book is available in B&N & other fine booksellers…
http://paoweb.com/yfcoffer.htm
It’s the ‘Big Picture’….all of our current concepts about ourselves are about to be turned upside down….We are on the cusp of a water shed event…the most incredible event to occur on this planet since the fall of Atlantis 13,000 years ago….Metaphysics, not power politics, is transforming our reality forever…the truth is all around us…
Quit buying cheap crap from wal-mart! Quit driving any more than you have to. Grow as much as your own food that you can. Change some freaking light bulbs. Shower every other day, be a little dirty. Take responsibility for your own filth and quit trying to find a nanny to clean crap up for you. Be the change you want to see. But mainly quit buying cheap crap from China!
Climate change is trivial compared to the affect falafel is having on the planet; talk about transformation!
For seven years, this unelected president has sold us out by invoking unprecedented blockage of progress in vital global warming mitigation and related environmental reforms through deception and manipulation of science–not to mention outrageous deprivation of hope from millions with incurable diseases by his zealot obstruction blockage of stem cell research, this misguided war, and the list goes on. He has corrupted the EPA which was chartered as a non political environmental watchdog, by President Nixon–and it functioned as such until this administration.
Now without shame, in his 12/20/07 press conference, he states that our recent watered down requirement to increase the average fleet mileage standards to 35 mph (sic) by 2020 reflects the US lead in mitigation measures to curb climate change–after rejecting Kyoto and stalling progress in te Bali conference, and even blocking nearly half of our population from setting more effective standards.
Despite the horrific consequences of his policies, he cannot be blamed . Instead blame falls on the apathetic and unlearned voters who helped his team steal the elections, the five supreme court justices who placed politics over principal and planted this unfit person in office, and our legislators for allowing these outrageous actions against our planet. .
seraphicmom,
I agree with your first post and your passion. This is just constructive criticism so you won’t be taken as a nut: going on about explosions on Jupiter is not relevant in my humble opinion. It doesn’t matter if it is true. I know NASA does detonate small insignificant explosives in order to gain seismic geologic data on the structure of planets and moons, but this is not a threat to us. Underground nuke tests that leak radioactivity that can be measured at high altitude in our atmosphere IS a threat to us, however. Tactical “bunker buster” low yield nukes used offensively to impact the oil distribution of the middle east IS a threat to us.
CLASSACT, you are right on the money as usual. The enemy is the American Auto culture. We need to individually throw off preditory capitalism, consumerism, commuting, and big structures like big gov/big biz. We need to return to the small town square and start walking and riding bikes. Shun the Automobile at all costs.
THOMAS, you strike me as a Merlin the Magician type. Sir Issac Newton, the brilliant physicist and mathematician, got into metaphysics and alchemy in his later years. He produced no useful results. This is not to discount your passion for metaphysics, but to say that you should perhaps stay on message here to be effective. Mysticism is unlikely to be accepted by the tube-locked Fox news idiots.
Focus you guys: Thermal global warming has already melted the Arctic beyond recognition. It is the greatest threat to our survival as a species.
sgohare1 is who we should be listening to in this thread. Bali is going to produce nothing.
You stupid assholes should quit posturing, because it will not detract from your punishment which is coming to you for your evil support of the human scum which is intent on ruining the world society. The only superpower on this planet is Nature, and any adherence to a stultified power will be a determinent of your future. I, for one, will not cease fighting against that evil scum until they are physically eliminated or surrender unconditionally. No compromise will be accepted.
Thank you pacplyer. No one seems to want to take on their personal responsibility. Just talk talk talk. No walking the walk.
pacplyr,i appreciate your concern for my reputation..but i feel that “their” meddling on other planets,may just be showing ‘intent’ and and an ominous forecast for the future..it is not a nutty thing for me to ponder that they might not be content with merely blowing up the earth….they(i dislike using such anomynous,mysterious handles ‘they)(’they are the ones that author john nichols refers to as the “royalists”)…..i most firmly believe that ‘they’ are the ones causing climate change-global warming,accidently and on purpose and i firmly believe ‘they’ are manipulating much of what is happening and much of what is melting.i am sure there are those that may label me a “nut” but unfortunately,(i believe)time will prove it all is the sad truth…..yes,i believe in personal responsibility…but i have not raped any rainforests,spilled any oil or detonated a bomb on jupiter,lately.
I submit today’s thread as evidence that the level of discourse on Common Dreams has reached a new low.
And it’s not even 2008 yet!
misanthrope,is it the happenstance of your handle? or maybe you hold the key to turning this thread into an all-time high….go for it….,let’s hear it……..
Pacplayer is correct, global warming is our MOST serious problem and it must be addressed in a sane and sensible manner. It is not being addressed at all by the powers who could and should attempt to correct it. Stop using coal for fuel should and must be the first and top priority. And not next year, now.
It is very discouraging, mind boggling in fact, to see that when over 2,500 highly trained and qualified scientific minds, have a consensus of opinion, that if humanity does not cease the pollution of our atmosphere and the oceans, we are going to kill this planet, and the people who could initiate a massive program to help, absolutely refuse to lift a finger.
Those very intelligent and non political scientists, who have spent their entire adult lives studying the issue, do not all agree on the time frames of disaster. Some ‘estimate’ a hundred years, some estimate by 2050, and some give us ONLY from five to ten years before the methane gas release in the Arctic will be our end. They are not raving idiots, or Chicken Litlte fear mongers, running around in white robes proclaiming the sky is falling. They are ‘world renound’ atmospheric, geologists, tropical forestry, and oceanianic scientists.
This is a deadly serious subject. It is not maybe, or perhaps, or I think that these scientists saying to warn us about. It’s factual evidence and personal observations that any ten year old child can comprehend.
There has to be some logical reason, the world leaders, those who actually control everything, do not believe the clear and obvious clues, that the scientists are correct. I have a real problem believing it is just utter stupidity. Ignorance is an acceptable reason, but to maintain ignorance when given a comprehensive warning is criminal for any who shold be responsible.
seraphicmom:
It was in response to your ridiculous rants that I made my small observation. The abject absurdity of your point of view demeans all of us who post here. The sorry state of the world is a result of ALL of our actions(or lack thereof), not simply the fault of the priviledged few you choose so vehemently to blame.
well now,misanthrope..you may shoulder the blame for a priviledged and crooked few,if you want to,but on judgement day,if there is one..i’m gonna be pointing my finger at the father of all lies and all greed,blaming it for everything…because i know its gonna be right there blaming me and my ‘kind’..and what the hell,i dont even own a microwave oven….call my rants ridiculous,but i do not believe that even you,misanthrope,are responsible for climate change or global warming.why do you find it so ‘demeaning’that i choose to defend humanity against the ‘devils’that surround us ?i think you are demeaning.and absurdly throwing your own race(the human race) to the dogs…..and you are correct,i will continue to vehemently blame them,the so-called “elite”because they deserve it.you are just a misanthrope,i will not blame you for living down to your name……
MISANTHROPE, SERAPHICMON — Let’s consider viewing this overall “responsibility” issue in a spiritual perspective, as what ST JOHN says today elsewhere.
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Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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I am hearing fear in people’s posts here. Is it the weeping and gnashing of teeth, or could it better be described as an awakening? Truthfully I’m not sure.
Consider that responsibility is but an ability to respond.
We all agree that a response on GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE is needed , where the time frame of both potential impacts and possible solutions, are still unclear.
One’s possibility to take action and become the change that is needed, is invested in freeing oneself from a bias of ‘this all being that other guy’s problems, the greedy corporate ones’. Those self-same corporations are only as self-aware (at best) as individuals that occupy the roles in power as well as throughout the ranks.
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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quote from nspire..”there is sufficiency for man’s need,not for man’s greed” that is precisely all that i am saying.over-population can be managed,without having to kill everybody off..,thru wise and compassionate use and distribution of resources.water should never become a weapon in the few hands of the very greedy(but the way things are going=water is or will soon be used as a weapon)….all the myriad of horrible things that are happening on this earth are because of a greedy few(no matter what you think,misanthrope) and the rest of us are guilty for supporting it or voting for it or using and consuming it, without some kind of personal mercy for the earth and all its inhabitants…..
MISANTHROPE, SERAPHICMON I see that Ken Has it right. Who uses coal? Do you? I don’t, wait do I, I’m running a computer? Do you see my point? We have a lot to change in this life of ours. We don’t have control over Ginormous corporatoriums( hey new word!) Who put what kind of bomb on Jupiter? Its a little outrageous don’t you think? It was a satellite that lost its way and was dumped for knowledge. People like Bradley Whitey from another post would call you a Kool-aid drinker (meaning spoiled common citizen)as he is from guantanamo as a ?soldier?(jesus raper as I called him). The guy who found the face on mars is Art Bells buddy, Hoagland. There is no proof! I understand how you all feel, but in order to get the ball rolling against the disbeliever you have to use a language that give credit to the TRUTH, explainable or explain its unexplainable and cannot be debunked! Just like Jesus. Prove he was there. No one can. People will fight and die horrible deaths, happily if they think its for him. (suckers) I cannot wait for the Rapture to take his fools and crush them under the freeways wreckage as it falls during their personal rapture as the end of the age of earthquakes comes, according to the Mayan calender. (Whatever) We need to work together to fight this corporate power structure or just prepare for the end of it all and hope you aren’t under the bridge when it falls.
Doom and Gloom Lets hope its the beginning of the awakening! Teach.
I agree with that NSIRE. There is sufficiency galore, if we would properly use it. There is ample wind, solar, geo-thermal, tidal, to power Earth, Mars, the moon and Venus if we harnessed it. __ SERAPHICMOM is correct about her opinions on this issue, we are all gulity if we waste, or don’t care, but it’s the powers who be, who are primarily responsible for killing this planet.
With a MASSIVE effort, humanity could eleminate coal burning within five years on this entire planet and then eleminate all nuclear power useage. We could stop spreading DU tomorrow, we could do a lot of sensible and vitally necessary things if the powers who be, would allow it and insure funding was available. They control the gold.
Every single one of us CD bloggers could cut off our electricity, never start another internal combustion engine, never eat another piece of meat and then cimmit suicide, and it would not make a lick of difference as to the global warming issue. If humanity enforced it, we could stop destroying the rain forests tomorrow, we could have affordable and reliable electric vehicles within three years, we could have total clean energy within five years if we wanted to save this planet and all of the life on it.
Just remember what humanity accomplished when they had a crisis. Dec 6th 1941 was a crisis for Americans. In less than a year, we had built a 40 inch oil pipeline from Texas to Newark, New Jersey. Incredible, the largest pipeline ever built and it worked. We bulit the Alcon highway in less than a year, we produced over 300,000 bombers in three years. and hundreds of thousand tanks, ships, vehicles, cannons and the Manhatten project in that time frame. It was precieved to be a crisis and we did wonders. Not wonders for the good of mankind necessarily, but massive projects, such as the Interstate highway system, the Chesepeake Bay Tunnel Bridge, the Panama canal, Boulder dam, etc. And that is my point.
The money we spend on the war in Iraq in one year would easily pay for clean energy for the United States, Mexsico and Canada and it would be a damn good start. Right now the United States is a maverick nation to the rest of the the world. We could once again be a leader, and as a bonus, it would create millions of jobs and end the spectre of a depression. But what do we do? We build a damn wall along the southern border and dump billions down the rat hole of Bush’s war in Iraq, while failing to heed sensible warnings, that we are committing suicide.
I meant nsPire. I spel bad. And Mexico is how that is speld.
kem patrick,the way things are going,we will,in short time,be forced to live,exactly as you describe..we should be living……who doesnt desire a a dependence on the sun and the wind,the tides and the rain ?……i think it is an inborn desire,to be one with the ‘goodly’ elements.did we ever need really need nuclear power plants or oil to generate power ??the money spent on war..especially this wars..is a travesty,a sham,a trojan horse manure-manuever and a totally demeaning all time low(for)in the history of human-kind.god,how i wish they would at the very least,impeach those dirty rotten devilish bastards….
Hi DOOM AND GLOOM, I don’t feel fear. I have a lot of amazed wonderment and a sense of being helpless to change it. If you’ve ever seen an aircraft about to crash, you can’t stop it, you instantly fell fear, dispair and empathy for the victems. I don’t feel that yet about the global warming. I might when the Arctic methane gas busts out all at once.
The teeth gnashing will begin them. __ I wear falsies though, share em with my wife. We couldn’t afford to have two pairs made. I love it when she lets me use them and has just had a dounut or a chocolate chip cookie. Yummmy yum.
“Just remember what humanity accomplished when they had a crisis. Dec 6th 1941 was a crisis for Americans. In less than a year, we had built a 40 inch oil pipeline from Texas to Newark, New Jersey. Incredible, the largest pipeline ever built and it worked. We bulit the Alcon highway in less than a year, we produced over 300,000 bombers in three years. and hundreds of thousand tanks, ships, vehicles, cannons and the Manhatten project in that time frame. It was precieved to be a crisis and we did wonders. Not wonders for the good of mankind necessarily, but massive projects, such as the Interstate highway system, the Chesepeake Bay Tunnel Bridge, the Panama canal, Boulder dam, etc. And that is my point.”
Do you honestly point to that as an accomplishment of humanity? December 7th, 1941 was as much a false flag event as September 11, 2001. The powers behind the government had forced the Japanese into attacking us and, having already broken their code, we knew all about it beforehand. Likewise, 9-11 was either allowed to happen or made to happen. And look what “humanity” has accomplished in SIX YEARS!
Not claiming to be Angelic as the Seraphic One, I do remain true to my own philosophy: The Earth was and will again be better off without “Humanity”. Perhaps a sentient life form will emerge as a new dawn breaks upon a Snowball Earth. Hopefully, one worthy of the wonderous gift of the Universe.
the earth was and will be better off without the bushes the halliburtons,the sheiks,the mistresses of war,the nefarious greedy rulers, and all their kiss-ass friends and relations…they are the ones who should get the hell off the planet…..than the rest of us…would be just fine….
misanthrope…this one is for you…”NEW WORLD ORDER GIVES RISE TO CLIMATE CHANGE”
Consider the possibility that God is light (literally) and that consciousness is a fundamental element of the universe.
NO SIR MISANTHROPE, I gave those as just an example, of what humans can do, when there is a crisis.
We humans could do far more than those examples to clean up the enviroment with a MASSIVE world-wide effort. And it was not necessry for you to rewrite what I wrote for us. I am not surprised that you chose to argue my point. __ You always do for some unknown to me reason.
Dec 6th, 1941 was not a false flag operation for us American citizens, you friggin imbicile. Why do you insist upon fu##ing up a good thread with your stupid arguments. This is about global warming and our leaders are not performing to correct it, You moronic fool! Now cry to everyone, that KEM resorts to name calling when people disagree with him. I disagree with stupidity, such as this nutcase just posted.
Tell me why we should not attempt to clean up our atmosphere. SIR MISANTHORPE, Or give me some decent opinions, as to why it wouLd not work, or be affordable ,or impossible to so it in time. I will gladly debte those type of arguments and do so without name calling. You stupid nitwit.
I agree the Earth would be better off without humanity, but for the present, humanity is here. Humanity therefore would be better off with a livable planet. I wonder if you are from this planet, you silly, nonsensible arguing for no good reason jerkoff. Tell your kids they don’t belong here, if you have any, and if that’s how you feel about human life.
I wrote that humanity can attempt to clean up our atmosphere and stop the acidity of our oceans, if we want to do it. I gave a few of the best examples I could think of, of what humanity can accomplish in a short time frame if it is necessary. God, Where do you types come from? Go sit in a tree and howl at the moon you dumb-ass, __ it’s full tonight.
miftin o.k. I like that.
Doesn’t it feel like we are all fighting each other with the same view just in our own personal words?
Not to sound all hippie dippy but, I love you all.
..you good……,jungleboy……..
This problem was with us since Rachel Carson published her seminal book: Silent Spring. Politicians ignored it along with the signs of the times that are now upon us. Bubba did absolutely nothing to steer the ship in another direction. His wife carries as much anti environmental baggage as he did. And the current crop of pond scum running the show is all talk and no action. Kiss you ass goodbye folks. The world as we now know it is undergoing fundamental change.
“My father told me the earth was getting old and worn out and the people getting bad, and that I was to renew everything as it used to be and make it better” Wovoka
Songs From the Ghost Dance Religion
(Arapaho)
My father
my dead father
took me to visit with the spirits
and he turned into a moose
he turned into a moose
I fly the circle
I fly the circle
all around th edges of the earth
and wear the two wing feathers
the two wing feathers as I fly
My father
my father
As I look at him look at him
he begins to turn into a bird
to turn into a bird
(Sioux)
Let me take your hand my son
let me take your hand my son
says the father
you shall live
you shall live
says the father
I bring you a pipe
I bring you a pipe
says the father
it shall make you live
says the father
says the father
The whole world is coming
a Nation is coming a Nation is coming
The eagle has brought this message to the tribe
Father says so
over the entire earth they are coming
the bison are coming the bison are coming
The crow has brought this message to the tribe
Father says so
originated under a trance, at a dance
Adapted by David Ossman, From James Mooney
both found in the book ‘The Language of the Birds’ by David M Guss
I try too… I thought you might like…
i blame’ them’ for everything !!’them’ and their trickle-down evil…i blame ‘them’ for climate-change,globalwarming,earthquakes,tsunami’s,hurricanes and any and every ‘lillith’ wind that blows…i blame ‘them’ for wars,disease,pollution,drought,famine,sin,lies,greed,tolerating evils,strange,unaturaland harmful lusts,head-lice,aids,pedophiles,death,destruction,misery,chaos,vampires, and dick cheney.and did i mention- climate-change.
Blame the devil too MOM, they have sold their souls to him.
How much of CO2 emissions are the result of military activity and weapons manufacturing? If we just reduced those we could make a dent in it…buy a little time maybe…
k.p.,that is exactly the “monsters”the ‘them’ that i blame…call it whatever you will…..it is the ‘devil’……..whether figurative and symbolically or real and actual=it remains the same. greed,lies and evils,out of control and run amok……
I cry about it too. I tell myself to dream to all the good people to help “me” solve the problem. Sometimes I’ll talk to them, sometimes I don’t, when my head isn’t clear.
That sounds like very decent and most serious prayers JUNGLEBOY, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t, because we don’t know the supreme plan of our God. Whichever God we choose to believe in.
I know this global warming and the acidity of our oceans is the most serious problem humanity has ever faced, and perhaps the planet itself ‘may’ have ever faced. There are just far too many scientists who agreee on the issue and the clues are clearly obvious. I don’t believe anythng will be done by humanity to solve it. Not in time anyway. But I have hope that I am wrong on that opinion. I don’t have a lot of time left anyway, but I do have children and so so they. Our children deserve a chance and our generation is not giving it to them. That’s where my anger lies. And with those like MISANTHORPE who detract from a most serious discussion with utter stupidity.
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gotta go…here’s to the very fine things of creation…. may the winds blow gently at your back and the sun walk beside you..,all the days of your lives..peace to you all,on this good night……………..,mom
The only thing I have to do with my life is help the planet I’m on. That is my religion. Help. You have a heart and consciousness too I see. I learned from the stories of Jesus first and I cant understand why people don’t understand what he said. Even in the bastardized versions of the book we have today the story is still the same. Help. All religions say the same thing, Help. Just the institutions are corrupt, all of them. We all have our own road. Our own eyes. We need not follow once we have grown our own feet. Now to teach foot growing? What good is a carrot without roots, I ask? It can still seed after you eat it, if you re-plant it and not hurt the greens. What to do? I see your anger Ken. I’m working to spread the light wherever I can whenever I can. Through dirty looks from yuppies as I tell stories of bradley whitey to my grocery teller and sick looks from light stomached folks as I tell them what the food they are eating went threw to get to their plate. Baby steps I guess. I wish we were an army. I live next to a major freeway maybe we can put up signs, all on the same day. A couple million people go each direction daily. It would be fun to make happen if it spreads light! I don’t know, something to do.
The emerging new world order could be a surprise. As we write these posts about global warming and our governmental and personal lack of effort, something is happening all around the world.
That something is nuclear power. Construction of plants from exisiting technolgy and pilot plants of new “Generation IV” technology. India is constructing the next demonstration fast neutron reactor. “Battery” plants are becoming available that could power an isolated town for 20 years with minimal maintenance. Fast reactors would consume what is now considered depleted uranium as well as high level waste from older plants.
France and the EU, Japan, India, Russia, Canada, China (even them!) and several other countries are building nukes, and some have detailed national plans in place to employ nuclear for both energy security and to meet Kyoto promises. There are dozens of reactors under construction at any given time. It appears these countries are sharing information and technologies, and having a friendly competition at the same time.
The US participates in the international organizations and Argonne Lab has done a lot of pilot work, but we have no plan to replace even one coal fired station with nuclear. American companies such as Westinghouse participate in nuclear plant construction all over the world, but not a nibble in the US. Canada’s nukes are financed with minimal government financial guarantees, and they even export some of their technology. While people like Wasserman rail against nukes here, they are gaining ground everywhere else.
Extrapolating current trends, the change to nuclear probably won’t be quick enough and there will be climate change related disasters all over the world. During that period essentially free and unlimited CO2 free electricity will become available everywhere (with the possible exception of the US). CO2 emissions could even start to decline.
China is aware of climate change damage. Their glaciers feeding major rivers are disappearing, the desert has taken over Beijing. Right now their nuclear program is designed to increase electricity in the south (coal fired is in the north, but they are aware that nuclear is CO2 free. They are also losing an irrational need to wait for the US to make a commitment first.
The conclusion of all this is these nations cooperating and investing in new generation, safe nuclear power will achieve sustainable economies, energy security, and a comfortable lifestyle for their citizens. Conflicts between and within nations will decline and the “Superpower” US will become increasingly irrelevant with time. We will probably get a free ride and remain the last major CO2 polluter, but no longer be the driving force ot the world economy.
We don’t have to be pro or con on nuclear any longer. Its happening all around us whether we like it or not.
Oh stupid peoples! One polar shift will take care of all that! 12-23-2012 ,start 12-24-2011 to 5-12-2012 There is a great Youtube 10short series on the latest crop circles befuddling all the big scientists(?if that is what you call them dudes in suits)Bye yall have a good night!
The most challenging gradient of this sense of hopelessness, is finding some traction and/or point to stand amidst the turmoil and angst.
For me, the guiding principles of my life direct compassion and forgiveness (to give as before) along with reverence for all life, and this of itself, creates my footing and foundation in the storm’s fog.
The absolute biggest challenge is not compassion for the wounded victim, which we all so easily identify with, it is the for the wounded perpetrator.
The above was written by me on 24th Nov, and it is coincidental that MISANTHROPE was a similar subject to the above screen name, in today’s thread.
As Albert Einstein said:
sorry,one more thing….the next time you feel afraid,consider this…deep down in the shriveled black hearts of bush/cheney and those of their ‘kind’-they know that they do evil..and they tell themselves that they do not care because they are “the deciders”….but they are not sure that there is ‘nothing’ out there that cares how they behave and what they do….., they know that if there is ’something’ out there that cares how they behave and what they do-that ’something’ will someday kick their asses and make sure things are eventually set to rights……..we are ‘horrified’by ‘them and the things they do…but they are afraid and they should be……they would miss us,if we were gone..they would have to turn on each other, the world will shift on its axis-just to bury them in their own cavernous pits-they have dug for themselves…they would not be able to hide,forever…..and did i mention the architects of the new world order, are responsible for climate change ?i am long past caring if i am labled a ‘nut’ or a lunatic-think or believe whatever you like..i always try to tell the truth…i am human so sometimes i fall short…but i vow to defend my race,the human race…because mankind is in serious need of defenders…….
bush/cheney/rice/rumsfeld and all those birds of a feather..are a just a necropolis of turkey-buzzards,vultures and bone- collecting old crows…,they will never have the utopian metropolis,they dream of…they will forever be..prisoners (to)(of)and(in) the necropolis,of their own making….and did i mention,”the new world order gives rise to climate change.”
NO!
Here and now I have to dilute myself into many things
I am firefly and I go lighting the boughs of the forest
However when I fly I watch the way I move
And Im not firefly
But also the air it flys on
The mon passes over me from one side to the other
Two birds are lost in my breast
And they can’t help it
And soon I’m tree
and while I’m tree I keep my firefly ways
And my sky ways
And my human movement my sad walking
Now I’m rose bush and speak in rosebush language
And I say
Rise rose rorosarose
Rise rose to the day
Rose ary arose to the sun
My fireling smilerounding rosesor ore
I move into the days volcano
And Im afraid of volcanos
but the volcano replies
Fugitive roller at the deapth where I snore
I’m rose of thunder sounding my hoarse voice
I’m prisoner dragging my own Irons
The stars I swallow sizzle my guts
Prow to the storm in procreative progression
I proclaim my roaring prowess
And my bronchials breath in the deap earth
Under the sea and the mountains
And then Im bird
and I argue all day in chirps
the day my throat comes across me I alone will say
Be quiet I’m going to sing
I am this ages only singer
Mine mine is all the infinite
My lies smell of heaven
and nothing else
and now I’m sea
but I keep some ofe my volcano ways
ofmy tree ways of my firyfly ways
of my bird ways of man and of rosebush
And I speak like the sea and I say
From the firmahead to the horisky
Im’ all mountwings on the blueach
I dance with soarwaters with swalloams
Ome glimmerun after the other
Swellave on wavetain my blipperish
the greenfinches under the moon of the flowood
Rise in mountwave tward the ifiround
And when the hurlafoor haularoar
and the lowave throws its lassowaves at the coast
there’s shipdeep cries pleading for help
I become deaf
I look at the slow traptraces over my backtracks
the sublighthouse with its bellowmoos
the stairwaves of the stormount
the starwaves of the swellow
that wont rest until they eat away the border of higheaven
until the reach the optundity
meanwhile the pirate sings
And I listen dressed in veridue
The sailin the sea shimmers
On the moon the wind moans
And heaves in white creaking
Wings of wave in my blue
The sea wil open to free the first of the shiprecked
Who fullfilled their punishment
After so many ages and more ages
They will walk on land with gloaces of glass
They will scale the mountains of their prophetic phrases
And be tranformed into constellations
Then will apear a volcano in the midst of the waves
And it will say I am King
The king sings to the queen
the sky sings to the skye
The liet sings to the light
The light who who looks for the eye untill she finde it
The sky sings in his astronomical toung
And the light in her magnetic idiom
who does her hair endlessly
I am King
And I tell you the planet who crossed th night
Doesn’t know himself when he pops through the other side
Much less when he enters the day
He doesn’t even remember his name
Or who his parent were
Tell me are you the son of Fisher Martin
Or the grandson of a stuttering stork
Or the giraffe I see in the middle of the desert
Selfishly grazing on moon grass
Or are you the son of the hanged man who had pyramid eyes?
One day we will know
And you will die without your secret
And from your tomb will spring a rainbow like a bus
From the rainbow will spring a couple making love
From the love will spring a roving forest
From the forest will spring an arrow
From the arrow will spring a hare fleeing threw the fields
From the hare will spring a ribbon to go marking its way
From the ribbon wil spring a river and a waterfall that will save the hare from its pursuers
Until the hare begins to creep threw a glance
And climbs to the bottom of the eye
Vincente Huidobro from ‘Altazor’ from cantoV
Translated by Stephen Fredman
You are right about them eating themselves, just wait and…Be.
That was a pain to type! Whoooooeeee! See you all soon!
Don’t give them power. They will use it.
But Japan has not confronted the U.S. about climate change because it depends on U.S. military protection
Japan and Germany have to give up their security arrangements with the US. These security arrangements have become great labilities to Japan/Germany and to the whole world, serving as enablers of the imperial rampage.
Personally can’t wait for Dec. Twenty-FOURTH 2012. All those disappointed faces…”Oh, shit! I haven’t become ‘a being of pure light’, I’m still here, and I have to deal with the Physical World still, just like yesterday. Maybe I shouldn’t have wasted these last 5 years (or 10, 15 etc…) secrectly or not so secretly hoping some “big magic cosmic sky thingy” was gonna get me of the hook? Maybe I should have been planning for LIFE ON EARTH not some silly veiled appocolyptic death wish.”…
Oh, man is that gonna be fuckin PRICELESS! And just in time for Christmas, too! Ha, Ha, Ha,.
Now if we can just get the Nukes secured, and get the Pseudo-Christians to expect their cute little “armageddon” on 12-23-2012 as well, maybe we can get these two Nutty armies to duke it out to the death! Imagine a People who all ACTUALLY ARE INTERESTED IN LIFE ON EARTH!
Betcha a buck WE won’t fuck up the Air, Water, and Earth.
-matti
P.S. Just in case any “react-ors” read this far down, this post was not really intended as a Direct Response to any previous post. It’s just that whenever this 2012 thing comes up I get a chuckle out of it. Thought I’d share.
rtdrury:
Other than the big air force base (Rheinmein?), there is absolutely no need for US troops on German soil. That base is a hub for humanitarian purposes as much as military. The locals actually get a little upset when a US base closes, just as in the US. Fear of loss of business. Besides, the neocons want to move our German based troops further east towards the edge of the empire. Like Baghdad.
Japan seems to have little to fear from Russia and China in this era, but that lunatic in N Korea will be a problem for some time. (They better stop whaling! Talk about a cause for sanctions!)
matti - FYI the 2012 thing isnt pseudo-christian, its Mayan calendar thingy. You know the calendar that was 5000+years long and more accurate than the atomic clock you use. It is fun to B.S. about. If its unprovable doesn’t mean its not real. Some fools thought the earth was round at one point, boy where they the laugh of the town! Then Columbus set sail. That wasn’t so long ago really.
Lord help us, ___ I give up.
Evidently global warming is not such a big deal after all.
nspire — your posts are always thought-provoking, and particularly on this thread.
BTW, you seem to have figured out how to produce BOLD TYPE, which obviates the need to use those darn caps for emphasis. Would you please let us know how you do bold? Many thanks, and Happy New Year!
Adele
ADELE THE CZECH — Thank you.
Follow this link here for tutorial.
Kem Patrick:
You’re the one who digresses to flirt with CoCo!
Is this the first meeting of the Global Warming Poets Society?
I don’t do it on serious subjects. ___ Do I Bbr?
You’re correct, ___ I are guilty. Someone hit me in the face. Hey, CoCo is cute.
I just hate to see the really important articles get shoved off the the lower side so quickly.
Wow! It took me awhile to get back to this thread. 80 comments so far and we haven’t solved Global Warming yet.
But, at least we know now that the Devil is responsibile and Jupiter is experiencing global warming as a result of space probes crashing into it’s satellites.
Also, the rise of the military industrial complex and the development of the Atomic bomb are examples of what “humanity” can do when motivated and organized. Of course, the involuntary slavery of the Selective Service System is always helpful in this regard.
We also learned that Kem Patrick either cannot spell, is dyslexic, or perhaps just has his choppers in backward.
All three. But I can spot an idiot when one shows up.
If one ignores insults, they derserve them.
If trolls are not pointed out, they keep trolling.
The best I can do at my age, is to print such articles as this one, the most important issue facing mankind, and have 500 copies printed and hand them out at coffee shops and get into conversations with people who are unaware of the seriousness of the problems we face. That’s what I do once a week. I believe it helps. I don’t believe posting here helps much at all, but I enjoy it. __ Usually.