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Despite Obama’s Vow, Combat Brigades Will Stay in Iraq
WASHINGTON - Despite President Barack Obama's statement at Camp LeJeune, North Carolina Feb. 27 that he had "chosen a timeline that will remove our combat brigades over the next 18 months," a number of Brigade Combat Teams (BCTs), which have been the basic U.S. Army combat unit in Iraq for six years, will remain in Iraq after that date under a new non-combat label.
US soldiers secure the area during a handover ceremony of one of Baghdad's government buildings in the al-Yarmouk district of the Iraqi capital on March 16, 2009. (AFP/File/Ahmad al-Rubaye) A spokesman for Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, Lt. Col. Patrick S. Ryder, told IPS Tuesday that "several advisory and assistance brigades" would be part of a U.S. command in Iraq that will be "re-designated" as a "transition force headquarters" after August 2010.
But the "advisory and assistance brigades" to remain in Iraq after that date will in fact be the same as BCTs, except for the addition of a few dozen officers who would carry out the advice and assistance missions, according to military officials involved in the planning process.
Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the "transition force" would have "a very different kind of mission", and that the units remaining in Iraq "will be characterized differently".
"They will be called advisory and assistance brigades," said Gates. "They won't be called combat brigades."
Obama's decision to go along with the military proposal for a "transition force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops thus represents a complete abandonment of his own original policy of combat troop withdrawal and an acceptance of what the military wanted all along - the continued presence of several combat brigades in Iraq well beyond mid-2010.
National Security Council officials declined to comment on the question of whether combat brigades were actually going to be left in Iraq beyond August 2010 under the policy announced by Obama Feb. 27.
The term that has been used internally within the Army to designate the units that will form a large part of the "transition force" is not "Advisory and Assistance Brigades" but "Brigades Enhanced for Stability Operations" (BESO).
Lt. Col. Gary Tallman, a spokesman for the Joint Staff, confirmed Monday that BESO will be the Army unit deployed to Iraq for the purpose of the transition force. Tallman said the decision-making process now underway involving CENTCOM and the Army is to determine "the exact composition of the BESO".
But the U.S. Army has already been developing the outlines of the BESO for the past few months. The only change to the existing BCT structure that is being planned is the addition of advisory and assistance skills rather than any reduction in its combat power. The BCT is organized around two or three battalions of motorized infantry but also includes all the support elements, including its own artillery support, needed to sustain the full spectrum of military operations.
Those are permanent features of all variants of the BCT, which will not be altered in the new version to be deployed under a "transition force", according to specialists on the BCT.
They say the only issue on which the Army is still engaged in discussions with field commanders is what standard augmentation a BCT will need for its new mission.
Maj. Larry Burns of the Army Combined Arms Center at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, told IPS that Army Chief of Staff Gen. George W. Casey directed the Combined Arms Center, which specializes in Army mission and doctrine, to work on giving the BCTs the capability to carry out a training and advisory assistance mission.
The essence of the BESO variant of the BCTs, according to Burns, is that the Military Transition Teams working directly with Iraqi military units will no longer operate independently but will be integrated into the BCTs.
That development would continue a trend already begun in Iraq in which the BCTs have gradually acquired operational control over the previously independent Military Transition Teams, according to Maj. Robert Thornton of the Joint Center for International and Security Force Assistance at Fort Leavenworth.
Gen. Martin Dempsey, the commander of Army Training and Doctrine Command, has issued Planning Guidance calling for further refinement of the BESO. After further work on the additional personnel requirements, Casey was briefed on the proposed enhancement of the BCT for the second time in a month at a conference of four-star generals on Feb. 18, according to Burns.
Other names for the new variant that were used in recent months but eventually dropped made it explicitly clear that it is simply a slightly augmented BCT. Those names, according to Burns, included "Brigade Combat Team-Security Force Assistance" and "Brigade Combat Team for Stability Operations".
The plan to deploy several augmented BCTs represents the culmination of the strategy of "relabeling" or "remissioning" of BCTs in Iraq that was developed by U.S. military leaders in the wake of the surge of candidate Barack Obama to near-certain victory in the presidential election last year.
Late last year, Gen. David Petraeus, the CENTCOM chief, and Gen. Ray Odierno, the top commander in Iraq, were unhappy with Obama's pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat brigades within 16 months. But military planners quickly hit on the relabeling scheme as a way of avoiding the complete withdrawal of BCTs in an Obama administration.
The New York Times revealed Dec. 4 that Pentagon planners were talking about "relabeling" of U.S. combat units as "training and support" units in a Dec. 4 story, but provided no details. Pentagon planners were projecting that as many as 70,000 U.S. troops would be maintained in Iraq "for a substantial time even beyond 2011".
That report suggested that the strategy envisioned keeping the bulk of the existing BCTs in Iraq as under a new label indicating an advisory and support mission.
Secretary Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen discussed a plan to re-designate U.S. combat troops as support troops at a meeting with Obama in Chicago on Dec. 15, according a report in the Times three days later.
Gates and Mullen reportedly speculated at the meeting on whether Iraqis would permit such "re-labeled" combat forces to remain in Iraqi cities and towns after next June, despite the fact that the U.S.-Iraq withdrawal agreement signed in November 2008 called for all U.S. combat forces to be withdrawn from populated areas by the end of June 2010.
That report suggests that Obama was well aware that giving the Petraeus and Odierno a free hand to determine the composition of a "transition force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops meant that most combat brigades would remain in Iraq rather than being withdrawn, as he ostensibly promised the U.S. public on Feb. 27.
Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specialising in U.S. national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, "Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam", was published in 2006.
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Show Allthe organized, violent minority dominates the non-organized, albeit agitated, non-violent majority...
Gobama! Change you can believe in.
Obama’s war policies in Iraq and Afghanistan are worse than those of Bush. Bush didn't want a surge in Afghanistan and was talking about a quicker timeline for the partial withdrawal in Iraq.
With Obama (as with Bush) we're staying in Iraq forever (at least 50,000 will remain).
Obama voters you should be ashamed of yourselves, as you were sufficiently warned.
Speaking for probably thousands of others, yes, I am ashamed. Obama turned out to be the greatest illusionist since Houdini. However, speaking at least for myself, I have pledged never never never again to vote for a Democrat of any kind. And you can take that to the bank. Or maybe you shouldn't take that to the bank.
Mordechai,
I experienced exactly your epiphany in 1996 in reaction to the vile Clinton - who, with the Gingritch Congress, were the greatest contributors to the demise of the US worker, as well as the founders of it's resurgent milirtarism.
I voted for Nader in '96 and pounded the pavement and thousands of doors for him in '00; shamefully backslid and voted for Kerry in '04, went back to Nader in '08.
The USA is an utter joke of a democracy.
---USAn---
I ditto that!!!Except for the bank of course.Tony
The media gives Newt Gingrich credit for winning Congress for the Republicans in 1994. The reality is that Clinton's appeasement of the neocons during his first two years in office kept many Democrats from voting in 1994 and the Republicans could not have lost even if they had tried.
Unless Obama stops pandering to neocons with his military industrial complex, financial industry and healthcare policies, soon, we will see the Republicans take over Congress in next year's elections.
Mordechai
I feel your pain as I too have once, in the past, voted for the left wing of the Corporate party. But you are forgiven because of your funny posts. This past election I finally wised up and voted for the woman who punched the security guard at the capital for not recognizing her. She summed up my feelings about government in general.
You mean that brave woman who defended herself when a substitute security guard physically grabbed her...?
Who sponsored a congressional investigation into the 2000 election fraud, 9-11, iraq war lies & fraud, and the Katrina debacle?
Who put her own life in danger in an attempt to bring medical supplies to Gaza?
Never heard of her...
I would urge you to reread the reporting of that incident. You are distorting it in favor of your partisanship. She might have been having a bad day, but whatever the reasons McKinney displayed very bad judgement and a horrid temper.
Which reporting are you referencing?
Why this one of course:
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/03/30/mckinney-punches-capitol-hill-police-officer/
McKinney punches Capitol Hill police officer
Posted by: Sister Toldjah on March 30, 2006 at 9:21 am
Via 11 Alive News (NBC affiliate):
According to sources on Capitol Hill, U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a Capitol police officer on Wednesday afternoon after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector.
Members of Congress are not required to pass through metal detectors.
Sources say that the officer was at a position in the Longworth House Office Building, and neither recognized McKinney, nor saw her credentials as she went around the metal detector.
The officer called out, “Ma’am, Ma’am” and walked after her in an attempt to stop her. When he caught McKinney, he grabbed her by the arm.
Witnesses say McKinney pulled her arm away, and with her cell phone in hand, punched the officer in the chest.
McKinney’s office has not responded to requests for comment.
According to the Drudge Report, the entire incident is on tape.
Drudge continues, “The cop is pressing charges, and the USCP (United States Capitol Police) are waiting until Congress adjurns to arrest her, a source claims.”
Even by this report, the security guard had no justified cause to grab her arm, thus McKinney's justified response in hitting him to let go...
Was she a threat to national security ? No...
The security guard could have followed proper procedure by familiarizing himself with the faces of each congressman...
and failing that, he should have shown proper respect by non-physically accompanying her until she showed her credentials...
It is not like she tasered the guy, or injured him with her phone fist...
The entire scenario was blown out of proportion in the murdoch media, as a way to swift boat McKinney out of the House of Reps...
And it worked... All anyone remembers is that she punched a security guard...
The old party game, repeat a line and, as it goes around the room, it changes dramatically. Partisanship shouldnt negate ones ability to see reality. The guard in question was a substitute, McKinney had just dramatically altered her appearance with a new hairstyle, she ignored repeated requests to stop and was physically halted with a hand on her arm. To which action she hit the guard with her cell phone.
I believe she displayed the typical arrogance one finds within our government. If a guard asks you to stop you stop, period. She claims ot be working for th epeople of this nation, but I guess that term is defined as she sees it.
Hmmn... we stay, we fight???
--Obama, don't pour any more men and money down the Iraq Endless Rat Hole.
Your task--put main street America back to work. Only corporations like Cheney's Haliburton, want endless,senseless wars abroad.
Let's get Pete Seeger to host a new USO tour in Iraq. He could lead our troops in sing-a-longs before the "lock and load." And maybe, the Boss Man O' War, Bruce Springsteen, would join him!
Isn't it grand we're finally free of the gullible conservatives who once fell for political LIES?
Let's see if I have this right: Instead of bonuses, CEO's were given "Retention Incentives"......and now, "Combat Forces" will be "Transition Forces" ........
When a Government lies to its people, its people have an obligation to vote in another party. What can the people do when both parties are made up of liars and the "Mass Media" is a co-conspirator in disseminating government propaganda?
"The Carter Doctrine of January 1980" is what Obama is still using, "An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf Region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force." (Written by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Obama's main man)
The problem with the doctrine is that The United States of America is the only "Outside Force" that is trying to control the OIL of the Persian Gulf. So as in 9/11, The United States of America should be attacking itself. The United States: created, financed, armed, and trained Al Qaeda along with the Saudis and the Pakistan ISI........
It is about time the American People were told the truth about 9/11 and the OIL of Iraq and Afghanistan! "God have mercy on us all!"
Japan is an energy client, dependent on the USA to keep the Persian gulf oil flowing to Japan. Not that Japan coerced the USA in to such an arrangement. The USA of course enjoys such an arrangement very much because Japan's dependence inflates the cowboys' ego condoms, and ever more justifies expansion of the cowboy enterprise. But please, everyone go back to your little cog in the machine job and don't think about it. Just keep buying Japanese cars and consumer electronics and the war machine will continue feeding your children because you certainly cant. (without war, where would you be now?)
Yes, we can change!
Change the names
Change the faces
Same old lies.
Our government is an international laughing stock!
it's still the supreme crime of aggression. obama's gotta face war crimes trials, too now. he can always plead " 'fraid to get jfk'd !!!! "
Speaking of change . . . I think there's a diaper in the White House that needs changing, because it's FULL OF SHIT!
Vocabulary can be a giveaway of where a message originated. When Obama used the word "robust" recently, I knew he had been listening to flim-flam MBAs. Robust is one of their favorite salesman words. It sounds important, but means nothing.
A hybrid tree or a Neanderthal can be reasonably designated "robust'. A plan is not robust just because you say it is.
Joe
I think you are thinking of that dead-end species "Australopithecus robustus"
I guess H. sapiens neanterthalis was pretty robust too.
Scientists like the word "robust" also. It means a theory that has passed "rigorous" (also a popular science word) experimental or observational tests. Climate scientists have been using the word a lot lately regarding CO2-global warming models.
The MBA is the biggest joke of a degree on the planet - not a course of education at all, it is just an initiation rite to the capitalist priesthood which is playing Obama like a violin in their plan to seize ther rest of our common-wealth and institute capitalism's final, neo-feudal end-stage.
---USAn---
"They will be called advisory and assistance brigades," said Gates.
"They won't be called combat brigades."
"We haven't yet decided on a new name for the 'enemy combatants'." he continued.
"We'll just keep them locked up until we do."
Obama - stop bullshitting us. Stop trifling with us. Millions of people gave of their hard earned money and unpaid time and worked for you because you promised peace and honesty. Tens of millions voted for peace. People want the government to fix our own problems before we go everywhere and presume to tell other people what to do while holding guns to their heads.
Five minutes ago I would have said we should help with economic and agricultural development in Afghanistan and everywhere. But now I see our word is completely worthless. So I say just give the world a break, come home and let's prove ourselves here.
Joe
Suprise, surprise, surprise!
In case anyone hasn't checked out a related CD article:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/25-1
'Global War on Terror' Is Given New Name
Bush's Phrase Is out, Pentagon Says
by Scott Wilson and Al Kamen
The Obama administration appears to be backing away from the phrase "global war on terror," a signature rhetorical legacy of its predecessor.
In a memo e-mailed this week to Pentagon staff members, the Defense Department's office of security review noted that "this administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror' [GWOT.] Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation.' " [...]
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My comment, which is equally relevant to this article:
I hear that from now on, when US predator drones annihilate a wedding party, they're going to call it "Toasting the Newlyweds"; if it massacres a funeral party, the technical term will be "Paying Final Respects".
The new maladministration prioritizes Staying on Message, and that message-- even when gargled by throats full of the blood of innocents-- is: Nice People Doing Nice Things.
· Yr Obd't Servant
And the total destruction of cities like Fallujah shall henceforth be known as "Urban Renewal".
Civilian casualties could be population control. Torture of suspected terrorists is now alteration of viewpoint.
Our military presence is there to train an Iraqi army that serves a government increasingly despised by a majority of Iraqis. Lots of luck with that.
But at least our new administration shows consistency.Wrong about foreign policy, wrong about economic solutions, wrong in the selection of his cabinet. In the immortal words of our resident political pundit....Gobama!
Change you can believe in. Belief you can change in. Can you change in belief? That is the question.
So this seems to be the thing that O-blah-blah does best - rename things. We don't have Enemy Combatants any more but we're still holding them indefinitely without charge. We don't have a War on Terror any more but we're still fighting illegal and immoral wars with Afghanistan, Iraq and now Pakistan and soon Korea and Iran. We don't have Combat Brigades in Iraq just soldiers with guns who WILL shoot you. I'm not sure who's more of an idiot, Obama for trying to pull this crap or the public who believes him?
Either way, I'm glad I didn't support him or vote for him. And before you beat me up, I didn't vote Republican either - although at least they call them like they see them, nasty as that can be.
Bravo, dCostello, for saying it loud and clear. Too bad so many Obama-worshippers like Joehope can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to see the truth as well. Bravo.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, "It Cant Happen Here", 1935
There is only one major political party in the United States... The Corporate Party. Choose to ignore this reality at your own risk.
Once Obama named Gates as Defense Secretary, I knew his promise of bringing the troops home was a lot of hot air.
He is no better than the other establishment puppet, Bush, but Americans thought they were doing a noble thing electing a black president for the first time.
Their intentions were noble, but they failed to see beyond his oratorical skills and now we see what he's really all about.
As many have said many, many times before - people are delusional if they think U.S. forces will NOT remain in Iraq forever. Let's see, the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is by far and away the LARGEST in the world - for a nation with a measley population of 26 to 27 million people or so. One of the largest U.S overseas air bases is in Balad Iraq, about 60 miles north of Baghdad - Camp Anaconda, another super large military base is close by Balad, as well as countless other "permanent" bases. As mentioned in a post above, this IS the Carter doctrine at work. This is VERY much about the oil, not to mention control of the entire Middle East. From a geopolitical standpoint one couldn't pick a better location than Iraq.
So this has been yet another rebranding of the never ending war of Terror in the Quagmire and the Baddy-Stans.
In these occupied nations, the bombarded native wildlife wants the foriegn killers and robbers to leave.
They want their freedom from foriegn oppressors and democracy, freedom from random killings and the mercy of contractors, and power over their own resources, and freedom to negotiate and fight with their own.
The US government is stinking abbatoir owned by military corporations and Wall Street. The US people have nothing to lose except media induced fear of foriegners, and fear of their own government, and fears of a high price for Oil.
Do not fear, because the world is already paying the highest of all prices for Oil. Just look at this warming and dying planet earth. Oppose fosssil fuels and its wars, or die.
Pardon my lesser version of "Bullwinkle's Corner", but if there's ever a time to revisit Henry Reed's classic, this is it:
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NAMING OF PARTS
To-day we have naming of parts. Yesterday,
We had daily cleaning. And to-morrow morning,
We shall have what to do after firing. But to-day,
To-day we have naming of parts. Japonica
Glistens like coral in all of the neighboring gardens,
And to-day we have naming of parts.
This is the lower sling swivel. And this
Is the upper sling swivel, whose use you will see,
When you are given your slings. And this is the piling swivel,
Which in your case you have not got. The branches
Hold in the gardens their silent, eloquent gestures,
Which in our case we have not got.
This is the safety-catch, which is always released
With an easy flick of the thumb. And please do not let me
See anyone using his finger. You can do it quite easy
If you have any strength in your thumb. The blossoms
Are fragile and motionless, never letting anyone see
Any of them using their finger.
And this you can see is the bolt. The purpose of this
Is to open the breech, as you see. We can slide it
Rapidly backwards and forwards: we call this
Easing the spring. And rapidly backwards and forwards
The early bees are assaulting and fumbling the flowers:
They call it easing the Spring.
They call it easing the Spring: it is perfectly easy
If you have any strength in your thumb: like the bolt,
And the breech, and the cocking-piece, and the point of balance,
Which in our case we have not got; and the almond-blossom
Silent in all of the gardens and the bees going backwards and forwards,
For to-day we have naming of parts.
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· Yr Obd't Servant
Some of us liberal/progressives said over and over last year that a vote for Obama means more of the same. Democrats against murder, aggression and imperialism are still rationalizing the motives of the Change and Hope president. He was selected (or Hillary, as another choice for more illusion) by the capitalist corporate monopolies of MSM, while the other candidates, especially Kucinich and Gravel received no coverage to speak of, conning the masses again that Obama was their man and so popular with the public.
Eight years later, it's more of the same.
Expect the truth from ANY politician and you will ALWAYS be disappointed.
Expect a lie and you will NEVER be disappointed.
Simple as that.
if you don't drive often and drive far, this is all for nothing, so let's go! get in those cars! drive, drive, DRIVE! you, there! get out of that carpool and into your own SOVs! there are starving kids in Iraq, don't you know, so just be thankful you can, and drive! next time you fill up the tank, spill some! that's right! spray gasoline all over the ground! doesn't it smell wonderful? watch it cover the pavement with rainbows and begin to run down the gutter in technicolor torrents toward the storm drain! glorious America, glorious gas, glorious cars!
I see no contradiction here. We are changing our mission.
"Obama's decision to go along with the military proposal for a "transition force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops thus represents a complete abandonment of his own original policy of combat troop withdrawal and an acceptance of what the military wanted all along - the continued presence of several combat brigades in Iraq well beyond mid-2010."
Perhaps people are forgetting that Obama has always been clear (even before the election) that the mission of the transitional force is:
"Under the Obama-Biden plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. They will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism."
Call me crazy, but I've never been under the delusion that "targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel." - would not involve combat.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Some people haven't been paying attention.
Spoken like a true idiot. A perfect example of Rethug-Lite. Joehope is in actuality a Neo-Con, he just happens to dig Obama, since their goals are essentially the same: permanent war in the ME. Why the hell didn't you just vote for McCain, joe? The only difference would be that McCain wouldn't mince words and try to put a nice veneer on the illegal occupation of a sovereign nation, whereas your messiah-boy is very good at coloring everything all rosy-posy and putting a nicer tinge to it all.
You make me ill, traitor.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, "It Cant Happen Here", 1935
Obama is ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If you don't believe me, try reading Juan Cole's article in Salon "We're Really Leaving Iraq"
Your default (by not supporting Obama) choice for President, McCain, wanted "a hundred year war". Perhaps, if you had bothered to read anything during the election you would understand this.
Even a mindless cheerleader ( know any of those?) must understand that one does not end a war by increasing the number of troops in the war zone. That is called escalation.
Your so-called patriotism is actually support for everything that is continuing to demean this nation, make it less than what its founders intended. Your flag waving encourages the deaths of innocents, Joseph. Congratulations .
This article leaves the false impression that our troops will be there forever. Why is there no mention in this article that the transition force is an interim force? Transitioning to a complete withdrawal of all troops by the 2011 date agreed to in the SOFA agreement.
From the agreement:
Article 24
Withdrawal of American Forces from Iraq
Admitting to the performance of Iraqi forces, their increased capabilities and assuming full responsibility for security and based upon the strong relationship between the two parties the two parties agreed to the following:
All U.S. forces are to withdraw from all Iraqi territory, water and airspace no later than the 31st of December of 2011.
All U.S. combat forces are to withdraw from Iraqi cities, villages, and towns not later than the date that Iraqi forces assume complete responsibility of security in any Iraqi province. The withdrawal of U.S. forces from the above-mentioned places is on a date no later than the 30 June 2009. The withdrawing U.S. forces mentioned in item (2) above are to gather in the installations and areas agreed upon that are located outside of cities, villages and towns that will be determined by the Joint Military Operation Coordinating Committee (JMOCC) before the date determined in item (2) above.
The United States admits to the sovereign right of the Iraqi government to demand the departure of the U.S. forces from Iraq at anytime. The Iraqi government admits to the sovereign right of the United States to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq at anytime.
The two parties agree to put a mechanism and preparations for reducing the number of U.S. forces during the appointed period. And they are to agree on the locations where the forces are to settle.
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Read the entire agreement here:
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=31966
Madcow, you are missing it. Notice how every mention of US personnel says "combat forces?" Hmmm. Interesting wording. Has it occurred to you that all one has to do is change the title of the US "people" in Iraq to "advisors" or "military advisors" or "security personnel" or whatever-the-hell-else-title-you-care-to-come-up-with, and we can still keep tens of thousands of US forces in Iraq and STILL honor this bogus agreement?
Eh? Do ya get it yet? It's called Orwellian Double-Speak. Obama knows the language quite well. Remember "Healthy Forests" intiative? Remember "Enhanced interrogation techniques?" "Enemy Combatants?"
Wake the fuck UP. We are NOT leaving Iraq in 2011, or 2015, or 2020. Call 'em what you want - "advisors" or "troops," there will be armed American soldiers in that country for decades to come, just as Obama said (only he called them "advisors"). Give yourself a good hard slap and knock those Obama-stars from your eyes.
You do NOT fuck with the Military Industrial Complex. You just DON'T.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, "It Cant Happen Here", 1935
No, you don't get it. The agreement says "ALL U.S. FORCES" If you'd bother to read the agreement you'd see that "all U.S. forces" is explicitly defined to include ANY U.S. force---Combat, advisor, trainers, AND CONTRACTORS.
From the agreement:
""U.S. Forces" refers to the entity that includes all the personnel of the American Armed Forces, the civilian personnel connected to them and all their possessions, installations and equipment present on Iraqi territory.
"Member of the U.S. Forces" refers to any person that belongs to the army of the United States, its navy, air force, marine force or coast guard.
"Civilian element member" refers to any civilian working for the U.S. Department of Defense. And this term does not include the personnel usually resident in Iraq."
And as we all know, the government never lies about anything, ever. Never once in the last 200 years has this government ever told a lie.
Ok. We'll just assume they're lying about everything then. Why even wait to see. It's all one big farce. Our troops will be in Iraq forever!
And it remains to be seen if the U.S. will stick to the agreement. The previous administration violated many treaties and agreements, and of course violated Iraq's sovereignty before.
"And it remains to be seen if the U.S. will stick to the agreement."
I'm glad that madcow has finally seen the light.
madcow March 26th, 2009 11:46 am
Ok. We'll just assume they're lying about everything then. Why even wait to see. It's all one big farce. Our troops will be in Iraq forever!
Good assumption. And, based on our troops still in Japan, Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Spain, England and many other countries after World War II I have to agree with your statement that our troops will remain in Iraq forever. I'm glad you have an open mind, madcow!
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