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As the Drone Flies...
The fast developing predator drone technology, officially called unmanned aerial vehicles or UAVs, is becoming so dominant and so beyond any restraining framework of law or ethics, that its use by the U.S. government around the world may invite a horrific blowback.
First some background. The Pentagon has about 7,000 aerial drones. Ten years ago there were less than 50. According to the website longwarjournal.com, they have destroyed about 1900 insurgents in Pakistan's tribal regions. How these fighters are so clearly distinguished from civilians in those mountain areas is not clear.
Nor is it clear how or from whom the government gets such "precise" information about the guerilla leaders' whereabouts night and day. The drones are beyond any counterattack--flying often at 50,000 feet. But the Air Force has recognized that a third of the Predators have crashed by themselves.
Compared to mass transit, housing, energy technology, infection control, food and drug safety, the innovation in the world of drones is incredible. Coming soon are hummingbird sized drones, submersible drones and software driven autonomous UAVs. The Washington Post described these inventions as "aircraft [that] would hunt, identify and fire at [the] enemy--all on its own." It is called "lethal autonomy" in the trade.
Military ethicists and legal experts inside and outside the government are debating how far UAVs can go and still stay within what one imaginative booster, Ronald C. Arkin, called international humanitarian law and the rules of engagement. Concerns over restraint can already be considered academic. Drones are going anywhere their governors want them to go already--Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and countries in North Africa to name a few known jurisdictions.
Last year a worried group of robotic specialists, philosophers and human rights activists formed the International Committee for Robot Arms Control (ICRAC) (http://www.icrac.co.uk/). They fear that such instruments may make wars more likely by the strong against the weak because there will be fewer human casualties by those waging robotic war. But proliferation is now a fact. Forty countries are reported to be working on drone technology or acquiring it. Some experts at the founding conference of ICRAC forshadowed hostile states or terrorist organizations hacking into robotic systems to redirect them.
ICRAC wants an international treaty against machines of lethal autonomy along the lines of the ones banning land mines and cluster bombs. The trouble is that the United States, unlike over one hundred signatory nations, does not belong to either the land mines treaty or the more recent anti-cluster bomb treaty. Historically, the U.S. has been a major manufacturer and deployer of both. Don't count on the Obama White House to take the lead anytime soon.
Columnist David Ignatius wrote that "A world where drones are constantly buzzing overhead--waiting to zap those deemed threats under a cloaked and controversial process--risks being, even more, a world of lawlessness and chaos."
Consider how terrifying it must be to the populations, especially the children, living under the threat of drones that can attack through clouds and dark skies. UAVs are hardly visible but sometimes audible through their frightful whining sound. Polls show Pakistanis overwhelmingly believe most of the drone-driven fatalities are civilians.
US Air Force Colonel Matt Martin has written a book titled Predator. He was a remote operator sitting in the control room in Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada watching "suspects" transversing a mountain ridge in Afghanistan eight thousand miles away. In a review of Martin's book, Christian Cary writes "The eerie acuity of vision afforded by the Predator's multiple high-powered video cameras enables him to watch as the objects of his interest light up cigarettes, go to the bathroom, or engage in amorous adventures with animals on the other side of the world, never suspecting that they are under observation as they do."
For most of a decade the asymmetrical warfare between the most modern, military force in world history and Iraqi and Afghani fighters has left the latter with little conventional aerial or land-based weaponry other than rifles, rocket propelled grenades, roadside IEDs and suicide belted youths.
People who see invaders occupying their land with military domination that is beyond reach will resort to ever more desperate counterattacks, however primitive in nature. When the time comes that robotic weapons of physics cannot be counteracted at all with these simple handmade weapons because the occupier's arsenals are remote, deadly and without the need for soldiers, what will be the blowback?
Already, people like retired Admiral Dennis Blair, former director of National Intelligence under President Obama is saying, according to POLITICO, that the Administration should curtail U.S.-led drone strikes on suspected terrorists in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia because the missiles fired from unmanned aircraft are fueling anti-American sentiment and undercutting reform efforts in those countries.
While scores of physicists and engineers are working on refining further advances in UAVs, thousands of others are staying silent. In prior years, their counterparts spoke out against the nuclear arms race or exposed the unworkability of long-range missile defense. They need to re-engage. Because the next blowback may soon move into chemical and biological resistance against invaders. Suicide belts may contain pathogens--bacterial and viral--and chemical agents deposited in food and water supplies.
Professions are supposed to operate within an ethical code and exercise independent judgment. Doctors have a duty to prevent harm. Biologists and chemists should urge their colleagues in physics to take a greater role as to where their know-how is leading this tormented world of ours before the blowback spills over into even more lethally indefensible chemical and biological attacks.
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Show AllPresuming YOU know precisely what's in Nader's stock portfolio, when you can hold a candle up to this great man, THEN you might endeavor to impugn his reputation.
Meanwhile, how f--king dare you? You worm.
If you know Nader personally, the best advice he might be given would be to alter his company. Not that I believe you.
I've noticed this about the fraudulent embeds in this forum... that they appear to compliment a prominent individual with left-leaning bonafides, ONLY TO then cut them down. They're very good at purposely DAMNING through the offset of faint praise.
You are alleging that Nader has been motivated by making a fortune, and that is a severe assault on his character. IF the $ he made, presuming it came from the source you allege, was used to fund his causes for the Greater Good, then it would hardly be about greed or any poor judgment on his part.
Those motivated by money, evidently like yourself, cannot imagine the ideal that motivates those committed to higher causes, (or what they answer to).
Nader, like a monk, gave up a personal life (marriage and the like) to dedicate himself whole-heartedly to The Cause. Could someone like you? I mean it's like comparing a gnat to an elephant. And you, as the gnat, are rather easy to brush off...
Please calm down, Siouxrose. My favorite author is Joseph Campbell by a factor of two to CG Jung, and those two by a factor of ten to anyone else. I love your spirituality. The poster you constantly bicker with, while misguided (apparently), makes good points from time to time.
I've never owned stock. In my humble view, it is merely a vehicle to keep the less-fortunates enslaved while allowing the participants to contribute nothing. Any warrior for intellectual honesty must love Nader (voted for him each time until Obama fooled me), and yet even I question his efficacy these days. No stance on 9-11, for example, and on this particular issue is behind the curve. Blowback? That's the danger? Really? From whom? There is NO COUNTRY or GROUP OF COUNTRIES that can rationally challenge the US. And they all know that.
The danger with the miniature drone research is that it is an insurance policy for the ultra-rich AGAINST ALL OF US. They are going to be used here to keep the dissidents and the somnambulants alike in line. The sociopaths do, in fact, think this way.
I mean no disrespect. Sincerely.
your link doesn't say anything about how much Cisco stock Nader owns.
used to be that people bought a minimal amount so that they could attend stockholder meetings or have standing to file suit.
but it was quite amusing to read that "how dare you" gasping from that idolator.
if you really are close to Nader, get him to give you some of his used skivvies to send her as a peace offering.
ignore this doofus, siouxrose. he's a self-aggrandizing wannabee who completely missed the point of the mr. nader's last paragraph to which he has addressed his stupid rebuttal. what's the old saying about mud-wrestling with a pig?
You meant to say too much karma to work out. Dharma with a big D refers to the teachings of the Buddha and with a small d refers to just about everything.
Why not blame physicists?
It's not like the involvement of tech experts, programmers, corporatists, and politicians should mean that anyone else involved is less responsible.
One day, not too far away, these drones will be turned against us (American citizens)--if they haven't already.
Sure. Is that not the point of a hummingbird-sized search and destroy android?
It is not like they especially need to miniaturize to take on opposing armies. The advantage of going this small is precisely to be able to kill without detection and therefore without judicial and media review.
It only needs to be armed with some deniable mode of dealing death.
"Christian Cary writes "The eerie acuity of vision afforded by the Predator's multiple high-powered video cameras enables him to watch as the objects of his interest light up cigarettes, go to the bathroom, or engage in amorous adventures with animals on the other side of the world..."
Are you saying that a man who would fondle his sheep is now classified as a terrorist. Maybe to the sheep, yes, but to humanity? How absurd!
Will maps of the future have actual borders or just marked areas of control fading into areas where control is absent or uncertain?
I don’t think Nader goes far enough. We’ve already put ‘lethal autonomy’ out there, available to anyone with the cash to pay for it. Once something becomes doable, someone will do it.
What controls have we? What if Israel starts using drones against Palestinians? or vice versa? What if a political party invests in autonomous lethal technologies to eliminate an opposing candidate? What if Texas decides to take out illegal immigrants? What if Boeing wants to eliminate Lockheed Martin? or Haliburton goes after BP?
And WikiLeaks has shown us that secrecy and control of technology is impossible.
Nader (in case you read the comments),
Do you think that the so-called Democratic Primary challenge you are working to set up against Obama is even going to address or seriously address issues such as the drones, endless war, civil liberties, Israel's ethic cleansing of Palestinians, global warming, money's influence on politics...? Nichols, from The Nation, blatantly came out and said in his article that the purpose isn't to threaten Obama's presidency; but just to nudge him to the left, which is impossible if from the start Obama knows the threat is not real. By moving into the Democratic Party camp, you are losing it Nader.
How would these autonomous UAVs identify Democrats or Republicans - depending on which corporate party is in power? Maybe it does not matter since George W. Bush gave the U.S.Presidency power to to murder anyone, anywhere, anytime. I understand that the U.S. Courts have approved of this uncontrolled homocide.
i wish ralph nadar was our president
Tony: Me, too.
About 10 years ago I wrote a movie script based on what would happen if human cloning became possible. In the evolution of that script, when I looked around to determine WHO would make for the best argument in favor of cloning, I selected Ralph Nader... so that there'd be at least ONE of him* on every continent, providing a supernatural source to stand up to global corporate capitalism on steroids.
(* Ultimately I realize that cloning provides, at best, for the biological shell, whereas soul and intellect, things that far surpass and transcend biology, cannot BE cloned. However, for the purposes of fiction, I suspended that aspect of the argument.)
That's my tribute to Nader. "The Caretakers."
Had he received the most votes, the election would have been stolen. If the election was not stolen, he would have been assassinated before he took office. Not even the Kennedy family, with all their ties to organized crime because of dad's whiskey business, could survive when they tried to challenge the secret government.
Anyone who challenges the secret, fascist, mass murdering criminal cabal that is the U.S. military industrial dictatorship will die.
So let's go watch Charlie Sheen sleep with whores while we kill a few thousand more brown people. It's all a big joke, right?
Silly Ralph, they hate us for our "freedoms". Not because we bring terror. Don't you listen to what we're told?
Seriously, if one act of terrorism can so scar the psyche of this county, then imagine what it does to those around the globe as we rain shock-n-awe and drones upon our "enemies". Just wait until these things, like most electronic toys, get to the price point of a motor scooter. Talk about blow-back.
(PS. I voted for Ralph twice, once as a write-in and may do the same this year.)
The article makes an important point in noting that "... the United States, unlike over one hundred signatory nations, does not belong to either the land mines treaty or the more recent anti-cluster bomb treaty." Nick Turse wrote an excellent article in The Nation a few years where he detailed how cluster bombs are still being picked up by children in Vietnam and when that happens those lethal droplets which are contained in those bombs explode and inflict horrific damage upon those children. And as Nader incisively points out, the United States has very conveniently chosen not to sign the anti-cluster bomb treaty thus ensuring that no American official will ever be held responsible for what those cluster bombs have done to those children.
This then raises the question of when any American official has ever been held accountable for his or her actions. Former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara stated in the documentary The Fog of War that 3.4 million Vietnamese were killed during the Vietnam conflict. Despite that admission neither he nor any other American political leader has ever been charged with war crimes against the Vietnamese people. American Exceptionalism at its finest [or worst].
ERROLL: Great post. Thank you for continuing to speak out on these points. Veterans for Peace is a very important organization and it's doing critical work.
Erroll,
McNamara said that 3.4 million Vietnamese were killed, not that the US killed that number of Vietnamese.
It is very important that there not be any pictures.
Let's go kill some brown people!
I have found, generally, that all the soldiers I know are honorable guys, and this is what gives them their constitution, courage, and is probably the last thing they would give up if they had to choose. The various weapons, equipment, etc. that have been thrust upon them to date have made it nearly impossible to display their honorability, and I believe this is the source of the modern soldiers dysfunction...
I believe that weapons technology, including guns, btw, badly stifle our soldiers, and force them to suppress the spirit that compelled them to become a soldier in the first place. Imagine how shitty it is to be mowing down guys on horseback from a gunship, how damaging it is a soldier to be forced to kill from a remote location, on a video screen. I believe our fighting men may well be our last hope to take this fighting spirit back from the machinists of war who would see them so badly dishonor themselves.
And any man, for that matter, who uses technology to exploit and dominate another man and still feel honor within himself is delusional.
I've seen honorable battles, campaigns, actions, movements (Egypt, for example, was comprised largely of men fighting men with fists, or perhaps stones, and the only guns fired were by government forces). Even government forces, to their credit, carried themselves proudly and acted honorably with horses or camels instead of tanks and artillery...And at the end of the day, it was clear who won, who lost, and I suspect that the losers, while dissappointed and bitter, can rest with their honor intact (and probably restored) as a result.
Nothing wrong with that. Why do we in the west let creeps, chickenhawks, and engineers so badly disgrace us with their clever machines? Commanders and Generals know this better than me...so what is the major malfunction, fellas? Sooner or later the mettle and valor of our military men has got to put the keibosh down on this junk...After all, when the shit really hits the fan, what else is going to hold this world together if not honor among men, regardless of where they live, or what side they are on...or what country they claim.
Think about that, and think about what other ways we are humiliated, demoralized, and controlled by others, often hiding behind corporate boards, or governmental bureaucracy, equations, and other calculations far removed from the human experience.
Ralph Nader was pretty much right all down the line, now we have to walk his talk, and be serious about it, double time.
I am disappointed to hear that Ralph plays the market. I think he leads a very austere lifestyle, claiming about $25 k in annual earnings, and foregoing driving a car. He is one of only two people in all of Washington D.C. that I could find who understood the student loan scam quickly, and discussed it honestly...and I looked very hard...
"I've seen honorable battles, campaigns, actions, movements (Egypt, for example, was comprised largely of men fighting men with fists, or perhaps stones, and the only guns fired were by government forces)."
What honor is there in violence? We agree we'll bash each others heads in with clubs instead of shooting arrows? We'll fight from horses but not tanks? There's no honor in that. That's just the words we use to make young people think that the use of violence is right.
It doesn't seem to me that you know many infantry soldiers, or at least only superficially. The few you have talked to probably didn't bother to give you any type of accurate picture of what war is like. Most of us don't talk to civilians about anything that truly effected us.
I am a combat veteran (infantry) with more than one deployment. Soldiers are just like any other group of people. Some are good, but most are simply selfish at their core. Possible a little worse then average, simply because of what they are willing to do to make a living.
There is no thought about honor when you are in the middle of a battle. Later on you think back and try to justify your actions. Did I run or did I fight, did I use too much force etc. (you think about those you hurt and those who didn't make it)
Before being deployed you think about little more than, holy $#!^ what am I in for this time? You try and focus on what you have to do and how you will get it done. What will my wife do if I don't come back, what about my children and my parents? Basically your focus is on making it back without making a fool of yourself. Later it's just about getting home any way you can! (and I mean anyway you can)
Yes a person can be proud of how they conducted themselves. But few really are.
5/21, 2/75, then 7th SFG And now very much Anti-War.
Another great one, Ralph. Where is the scientific outcry when technology is used to harm, not heal? However, I'm not so sure that "blowback" from "terrorists" is what we should really be afraid of.
Siouxrose: Once again, you tell nothing but the truth.
The demonization of Ralph Nader by the wealthy investor class and by financially comfortable Democrats resulted in Nader's demotion from being one of the most admired public figures in America to something that clawed its way out of Satan's rectum. This perfectly illustrates the absolute immorality of the mainstream Democrats and the triumph of pro-business cruise-missile liberal sellouts and their brothers-in-arms, the right-wing Republican cabal of corporate predators. The privileged pwogwessives joined with neo-con private power elites to isolate and marginalize one of the few voices that actually still stands for everything liberals once claimed to believe in.
Nader called it as he saw it. He never said there were no differences between Reps and Dems-- he said there were few differences. And lo and behold, he was proven right during the Bush/Cheney years: Dems rubber-stamped the invasion of Iraq; they stood mute as Bush appointed Christo-fascist ideologues to the judiciary; they pretended not to notice as "faith-based" institutions staffed by bigots were given millions of public tax dollars; they allowed the imposition of "No Child Left Behind" and signed on to the destruction of public education; they either said nothing or actually supported the neutering of consumer protections and regulatory agencies, and they helped to do away with the very concept of Constitutional rights by imposing the Patriot Act on the American populace. To cap it off, the corporate Dems then became complicit in delivering hundreds of billions of tax-payer dollars to Wall St...and that was before the Obama administration picked right up where Bush left off and killed more Muslim farmers and malnourished children with more drone rockets in two years than Bush/Cheney did in eight.
Thanks to the cruise-missile liberals, Nader is a pariah. And as Big Oil, the nuclear industry, and death-trap coal mine companies laugh their asses off at Barack Obama's promises to promote green jobs and renewable energy, and as the Pentagon and dozens of military contractor corporations rake in billions while greenlighted to engage in perpetual war, the corporate Democrats will make sure that their DNC donations are mailed out on time.
Nader an "egomaniac"? The man doesn't give a damn about his "reputation" or his "legacy", especially when winning the approval of loyal Democrats means assuming the role of corporate stooge.
" He never said there were no differences between Reps and Dems-- he said there were few differences."
Nader called them Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum (after Lewis Carrol's characters).
It's a good commentary by Mr. Nader, but his singling out of "physicists" as responsible for drones is a bit strange. I expect many people working on drones have physics degrees but most would be trained in various engineering disciplines, and plenty of people with liberal arts degrees, as well as non-college graduates, are working for the companies that make them and for the political and military-industrial complex which support these policies. All Americans are responsible for the policies of the U.S. Government, and to those Americans who are working as effectively as they can to oppose or change them: good, because it is your responsibility to do so.
Very wise. if we use weapons to kill terrorists who engage in blowing up bunches of innocent people, the (surviving) people who are terrorists or likely to become terrorists...will not like it!!!
It may cause terrorists to become resentful and to engage in acts of terrorism using weapons that they've long been trying to acquire. instead of just be the usual gang of happy-go-lucky murderers and blowing up buildings, airplanes, subways, busses or the usual bunch of unlucky innocents, they are going to get really angry.
let's just let them do their usual work and not act like it's a big deal. live and let terrorize is the best policy.
thank you, Ralphy Boy.
fuster, in one thread you're rewriting history and in another saying it's okay to kill civilians with drones because they're "likely to become terrorists.."
So, you're a troll. Now, people here mock trolls and make fun of them. It's not as much fun as you'd think - but over at Huffington Post they react with shock, indignation and MORAL OUTRAGE!!!!!!
I think you'd have much more fun there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
Try it, you'll like it.
I haven't re-written any history....and I didn't say it was okay to kill civilians..
maybe you might take a walk to where people needn't comprehend what they're reading. it's not gonna be much fun trying to understand more than you're able to easily digest.
I happen to like moral outrage when it's properly invoked.
fustercluck sed: "Very wise. if we use weapons to kill terrorists who engage in blowing up bunches of innocent people, the (surviving) people who are terrorists or likely to become terrorists...will not like it!!!"
fustercluck now sez: "I haven't re-written any history....and I didn't say it was okay to kill civilians.."
Gosh fustercluck, you classed non-terrorist survivors of a drone attack as "likely to become terrorists" as part of your justification for drone attacks. Sure sounded to me like you were saying it was okay to kill them.
What did you mean fustercluck?
how about understanding that the group of (surviving )terrorists aren't innocent or civilians.
and that "people who are likely to become terrorists" aren't our targets until they join up.
hope that clears up your confusion here,
have a nice day.
fustercluck, I'm not the one classing civilian survivors as future terrorists while mocking people who oppose drone strikes. That's you squirming around trying to pretend you meant something different.
I'm sure you'd do better at huffpo.
reading is fundamental.......and you're one fundament who doesn't understand what it reads.
go back and try to learn the function of a conjunction and don't try making an even bigger fool of yourself.
fustercluck: That sound, it's all the people at HuffPo calling your name; "Fustercluck, fustercluck, fustercluck..."
They want you there. How can you refuse?
I easily can refuse. How could there be a more amusing set of ignorant humorless people over there?
Heck, I bet that there aren't even half as many people there who absolutely know how to make the world perfect in three easy steps.
I blame it all on them being older and, because of injustice and repression, having to learn to earn money to buy their own food. maybe even buy food for their kids.
fustercluck sez: "How could there be a more amusing set of ignorant humorless people over there?"
By going over there you could raise the levels of ignorance AND dourness. Amusement level, maybe.
I think I see now how this all works out. This sentence: "Forty countries are reported to be working on drone technology or acquiring it." says it all. Eventually drones will simply fight drones. In our skies, in their skies, in the seas, in our backyards. They won't have time for killing people. The one with the last drone flying wins. Should be entertaining...
Mr Nader is rightfully worried about Blowback, murdering people by cowardly remote control can produce nothing less.
That sums it up nicely.
"Some experts at the founding conference of ICRAC forshadowed hostile states or terrorist organizations hacking into robotic systems to redirect them."
...and the worms ate into his brain.
You gotta love Pink.
Maybe this seemingly inexhaustible drive to annihilate a lot of our own species springs from some subconcious knowledge that there are way too many of us and we are too busy destroying our own habitat. Kind of a survival mechanism. Just saying.
Has the U.S. Congress authorized this horrific drone warfare, or is the Pentagon conducting this warfare through the Senate Budget Committee (Sens. McCain and Kyl) Chairs of the pentagon/military spending? Whatever happened to utilizing U.S. Diplomacy/Negotiations as a preventative to warfare and the killing of innocent civilians, including children? When these drones are redirected at us, and the lethal indefensible chemical and biological attacks consume us, we can rightly declare: "We have met the enemy and it is us" - USA Drones!