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A Neocon Preps US for War with Iran
I guess I was naïve in thinking that The Atlantic and its American-Israeli writer Jeffrey Goldberg might shy away from arguing for yet another war - this one with Iran - while the cauldrons are still boiling in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even world-class chutzpah must have its limits, I had thought.
I was reflecting on the bizarre ways in which Goldberg helped to make the case for the U.S. invasion of Iraq. For instance, on Oct. 3, 2002, as America's war fever was building just a week before Congress caved to the President, Goldberg wrote in Slate, the online magazine:
"The [Bush] administration is planning ... to launch what many people would undoubtedly call a short-sighted and inexcusable act of aggression. In five years, however, I believe that the coming invasion of Iraq will be remembered as an act of profound morality."
Looking back on Goldberg's commentaries at the time also brought to mind how many U.S. publications considered centrist or even liberal were bending over backward to get in line with cheerleaders for the coming invasion.
Even earlier, on March 25, 2002, Goldberg filled the pages of The New Yorker with a mammoth 17,000-word story hyping Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorism and glossing over the ambiguities regarding the gassing of civilians in the Kurdish city of Halabja during the Iran-Iraq war.
Goldberg's magnum opus, entitled "The Great Terror," earned him high marks from other neocons and essentially "made" his career. The story was also made to order, so to speak, to support the efforts of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to paint Saddam Hussein as a ruthless dictator who had to be removed.
Presenting Goldberg with an award for the article, the Overseas Press Club saw fit to note that former CIA director James Woolsey described the story as a "blockbuster." Woolsey, the self-described "anchor of the Presbyterian wing of JINSA (The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)," has been a strong advocate for the use of force against any and all perceived enemies of Israel.
Woolsey also was the prime manufacturer and a key disseminator of bogus "intelligence" on the Saddam-al-Qaeda connection. In The New Yorker article, while exaggerating Iraq's links to terrorism, Goldberg quotes Woolsey complaining about the CIA's alleged aversion to learning about Saddam's ties to al-Qaeda.
It is a safe bet that Goldberg's prose under the subhead "The Al-Qaeda Link" was inspired by Woolsey. But it gets worse; the detail in that section came mostly from a drug dealer in a Kurdish prison, whom a British journalist, following up on Goldberg's reporting, quickly determined to be a "liar."
A Friendly Reception
Yet, not surprisingly, Goldberg emerged from his work preparing the PR ground for the U.S. invasion of Iraq as a respected "journalist," so much so that he was afforded deferential treatment when he made a tour of the cable TV news programs this week promoting his new case for a new war, this time with Iran.
Goldberg had just produced a new magnum opus for another prestige journal, The Atlantic, entitled "The Point of No Return," explaining Israel's case for bombing Iran and the reasons why the United States should join in.
On Wednesday, Goldberg easily handled softball questions from MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell, who joined in a friendly chat about whether and when the U.S. or Israel or both should opt for what Mitchell described as a "military response" to the "Iranian nuclear threat." Goldberg claimed that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu sees the challenge from Iran as being on a par with the Holocaust, believing that Iran is bent on the destruction of Israel with its 6 million people.
"Are you persuaded that Israel would take action against Iran unilaterally?" asked Mitchell. "Yes, I am; I am," Goldberg responded.
Goldberg added that he believes that President Barack Obama is not prepared to live with a nuclear Iran but that it remains an open question whether he would take military action to prevent that eventuality. Goldberg said Obama "probably" would not. And that being the case, Goldberg thought Netanyahu would be inclined to unleash Israeli forces unilaterally and absorb any damage this might do to bilateral relations with Washington.
At the end of the interview, Mitchell lofted a fat change-up for which Goldberg seemed well prepared. When, she asked, will Obama finally visit Israel? In response, Goldberg said he would share a "secret." He expressed concern lofted what appeared to be a canned question and, in response, Goldberg seemed downright eager to share what he called a "secret," as he put it.
Mitchell asked when Obama planned to visit Israel. Goldberg expressed concern: "The Israelis are worried about Obama coming; they don't want him to be boo-ed wherever he goes; that's the last thing they need. Obama is not popular in Israel in the way Bush and Clinton were."
The unmistakable message: An Obama tour of Israel could be an ugly affair, unless Obama gets more in step with Netanyahu's tune in the interim.
Chatting with Wolf
Goldberg walked through a similar discussion on the merits of war when he appeared on CNN, a guest of Wolf Blitzer's "The Situation Room."
Goldberg: "The question is what can the Obama administration do to stop the Iranians from pursuing the nuclear program ... it seems unlikely to me at this point that Iran is simply going to say, because President Obama asks, you know, we're going to end our nuclear program."
Blitzer: "You have concluded that an Israeli air strike against Iran's nuclear facilities is - in your word - a near certainty?"
Goldberg: "Well, it's a near certainty, in the long term, but even in the next year I give it a 50 percent or better chance. Next year, meaning by next July."
Not that it probably would have mattered, but someone probably should have told Andrea Mitchell and Wolf Blitzer that more skeptical observers have described Goldberg's previous "journalism" in very unflattering terms.
One critic deemed Goldberg's pre-Iraq War reporting for The New Yorker as "a journalism-school nightmare: bad sources, compromised sources, unacknowledged uncertainties ... with alarmist rhetoric that is now either laughable or nauseating, depending on your mood."
Who Gassed?
For instance, the fact that many civilians were gassed as Iraqi and Iranian forces clashed on March 16, 1988, in the area of Halabja, just barely inside Iraq's border with Iran, is beyond dispute. However, what is not clear is the blockbuster charge that it was the Iraqis, rather than the Iranians, who used the deadly chemical warfare agents. The U.S. government has pointed the finger in both directions, often depending on which side of the conflict Washington was tilting toward.
A joint CIA and Defense Intelligence assessment focused in on the "blood agents (cyanogen chloride) deemed responsible for most of the deaths in Halabja and determined that the Iraqis had no history of using those particular agents, but that the Iranians did.
That particular CIA-DIA report concluded that, despite the conventional wisdom, "the Iranians perpetrated this attack." Dr. Stephen Pelletiere, a senior CIA analyst on Iraq during its war with Iran, told Roger Trilling of the Village Voice that he is one among many who believe that Goldberg's account of the killings at Halabja was wrong and that the issue was far from academic.
Pelletiere said: "We say Saddam is a monster, a maniac who gassed his own people, and the world shouldn't tolerate him. But why? Because that's the last argument the U.S. has for going to war with Iraq."
It may well have been the most emotionally riveting argument, I suppose.
Debunking the Junk
But what about Iraq's alleged WMDs and supposed ties between Iraq and al-Qaeda? Goldberg made an attempt to include those canards as well, focusing mostly on chemical and biological warfare agents. (He left to the New York Times' Judith Miller, who was later fired, and Michael Gordon, who is still chief military correspondent, to do the heavy lifting for the lies about Iraq's supposed nuclear weapons.)
A final story about Jeffrey Goldberg's pre-Iraq-invasion stories: Just a week before Congress bowed to Bush's request for war authorization against Iraq, Goldberg was writing in Slate about the dangers of "aflatoxin," which he had cited 15 times in his New Yorker article.
"Aflatoxin does only one thing well," Goldberg wrote. "It causes liver cancer. In fact, it induces it particularly well in children."
However, Goldberg's obsession with "aflatoxin" didn't stand up too well after the U.S.-led invasion found no evidence that Iraq still had bio-weapons stockpiles. Regarding aflatoxin, Charles Duelfer, the Bush administration's chief weapons inspector in Iraq, concluded that there was "no evidence to link those tests [of aflatoxin] with the development of biological weapons agents for military use."
Ken Silverstein of Harper's, among the more serious journalists who have had macabre fun critiquing Goldberg's contribution to the Iraq War effort, composed "Goldberg's War," one of the best critiques.
Silverstein wrote:
"Whatever Saddam's regime intended to do with the aflatoxin ... it did not involve wholescale tot-slaughter. But it seems to me that Goldberg was out to prove that Saddam was singularly evil - a man who would kill kids using cancer, no doubt cackling with glee as he watched them expire - because the American public might be less willing to support a war if he was merely an evil dictator, which are a dime a dozen."
But who is Jeffrey Goldberg and how did he achieve such influence, helping to create the false conventional wisdom that sleepwalked the American people into war with Iraq and is now pointing toward a new war with Iran.
For a 44-year-old writer, Goldberg surely has been around. He left college to move to Israel where he served with the Israeli army as a prison guard at the Ketziot military prison camp during the First Intifada; he also wrote for The Jerusalem Post.
Upon his return to the U.S., he worked for the Jewish daily Forward and eventually got hired by The New Yorker. Now, he's a star writer for The Atlantic.
Pitching for War
Goldberg's mission this time? Pitching war with Iran.
This time, Goldberg and the Israelis want us to buy into a syllogism without a valid major premise. Their argument presupposes that Iran has made the decision to develop nuclear weapons and is hard at work on such a program, which is what they want Americans to believe whether there's evidence or not.
The Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) and the neocons who brought us the war on Iraq, and occasionally the President himself, speak as though Iran has restarted work on the nuclear weapons part of their nuclear energy program. This internal government debate (and the external propaganda) is a replay of three years ago, when the FCM succeeded in convincing most Americans that Iran either had nuclear weapons or was on the verge of getting them.
President Bush and Vice President Cheney were out in front hyping the danger, whipping the American people into another war frenzy -- when an honest National Intelligence Estimate stopped them in their tracks.
Two things saved the day: integrity and fear:
Integrity on the part of analysts who, after
the corruption before the Iraq War, were able to revert to the
tell-it-like-it-is-without-
The integrity played out during work on a congressionally mandated National Intelligence Estimate that it took almost all of 2007 to complete. Most of those intelligence officials who had "fixed" the intelligence on Iraq had been given the heave-ho.
New leadership was installed under the direction of a non-corruptible Director of the National Intelligence Council, Tom Fingar, from the State Department.
Under Fingar, intelligence analysts rose to the occasion on the delicate issue of Iran's nuclear development program by performing a bottom-up assessment. There would be no "fixing" of intelligence around the policy. Main question: Had Iran decided to go for the bomb?
The NIE's first sentence conveyed the unanimous conclusion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies: "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program; we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons."
Fearing Another War
Fear now came into play and, for once, played a salutary role. Fear is simply a by-product of a sane appraisal of what war with Iran would mean. The senior U.S. military had enough good sense to be afraid and saw the NIE as an opportunity to stop the juggernaut toward war.
And so, they and those in Congress who had commissioned the NIE insisted that its key judgments be declassified and made public, despite an earlier publicly announced decision by the Director of National Intelligence not to do so.
Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen and CENTCOM commander William "Fox" Fallon had been living in fear of a Cheney-inspired order to commit U.S. forces to war with Iran. Fallon actually had told retired Col. Patrick Lang, a few months before Fallon was cashiered, "We are not going to do Iran on my watch."
Fear? Yes, fear - an altogether sensible reaction. No commander worth his salt looks with equanimity at the prospect of being on the receiving end of an order that could decimate his troops and lead to a wider war for which his forces would not be adequate. On a more personal basis, no commander wants to be faced with a choice between having to resign on principle on the one hand and carrying out an order he knows to be fatefully misguided on the other.
Thankfully, in the wake of the 2007 Estimate, good sense prevailed, despite Cheney's strong objections. Bush sent Mullen to Israel in June 2008 with instructions to warn the Israelis in no uncertain terms not to provoke war with Iran with any expectation that the U.S. would pull their chestnuts out of the fire.
Fast forward to the present. Where is Iran now in its nuclear program?
When an important National Intelligence Estimate needs updating, the art form often chosen is what is called a "Memorandum to Holders" - in the case at hand, holders of the original NIE of November 2007.
Such a paper need not repeat the bottom-up research and analysis completed immediately prior to November 2007; it simply requires a close look at evidence acquired from the end of 2007 to the present to determine whether there is reason to change the key judgments of three years ago.
Pressure to Rewrite?
We hear nothing from our sources about any substantial change in the evidence over the past three years. That is not what the Goldbergs and other neocons of this world want to hear, and this presumably is why the Memorandum to Holders has been held up for months and months. Not a good sign.
Authoritative statements for the record have been sparse but reassuring, inasmuch as they seem to confirm the 2007 NIE's key judgments. Congressional testimony in February by then-Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair, and in April by the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs revealed no major developments. Moreover, Blair consistently hewed to the 2007 judgment that Iran's eventual decision on whether or not to build a nuclear weapon can still be influenced by "the international community."
Scattered statements by other high officials, including President Obama, sometimes convey a sense that Iran is again working toward a nuclear weapon, and the FCM has been leaving hints left and right that this is the case.
Folks like Jeffrey Goldberg refer casually, but intentionally, to "Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons."
The neocons seem to be as strong now as under George W. Bush, with their Real-Men-Go-to-Tehran-type macho undiminished.
Can integrity trump macho this time? Without a strong man at the helm in the intelligence community, it will be very difficult. And the administration let drop months ago that this time the key judgments of the Memorandum to Holders will not be made public.
Meanwhile, Goldberg and his neocon colleague flaks are trying to create as much pressure as they can on Obama to produce a scarier Estimate ... or to delay the one in progress sine die. The situation would seem even bleaker were it not for the availability of WikiLeaks and other non-FCM news outlets that would be ready and willing to publish documents about what is actually going on behind the scenes.
It is a safe bet that there are enough folks with access to the Memorandum to Holders drafts to recognize swiftly any attempt to corrupt honest judgments.
Some government officials will probably be able to recognize their own conscience, their integrity and their oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as values that properly supersede other promises - like the promise not to release classified information that is a condition of employment.
Those who are tempted to exaggerate the threat from Iran will, at least, have to take into account how relatively easy it has become to evade the FCM's gatekeepers and expose government dishonesty to the people.
An earlier version of this article appeared in Consortiumnews.com




66 Comments so far
Show AllThat Jeffrey Goldberg can hold his head up in public says a lot about him. A loser in the first degree, yet still blabbering away as if he has something to say. Again, a terrorist in our midst and we do nothing.
Actually, Wayout, it says a lot about us, our country, our society that a wing-nut like Goldberg is treated with anything but a laugh. And how the hell do ideologues like Woolsey get to occupy such high positions?
Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell "Greenspan," Wimpy-voiced Blitzer--Zionists all.
If not Iran then where? North Korea? Where? We need to feed the Military-Industrial complex so continual war is a given, destroying other countries (while destroying out own country in the process) appears to be the main and only goal of the U.S. The 'war on terror' and its trillion dollar price tag is defeating everything that has made America a superpower. We might end up taking over the whole world but there won't be anyone or anything left to hold the victory ticker tape parade. Then what?
Well not N. Korea; they have nukes now. Nope, the US has a habit of invading non-nuclear countries, which is probably reason #1A that Iran would want to develop nuclear weapons.
War pays well so Jeff will always have a job. How he sleeps @ night is another ?
Ray you are priceless.
peace
Interested readers may want to check out Glenn Greenwald's post on the same subject. It might turn up here, but just in case:
How propagandists function: Exhibit A
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/12/goldberg/index.html
War with Iran? No way! That would be a fool's errand. On second thought, there are no shortage of fools steering our ship of state.
Iran is not a bunch of defenseless women and children Mr. Custer! Iran was not militarily defeated in Desert Storm. Iran has not been under a no-fly zone. Iran has not been under an arms embargo. Iran has had oil revenues to do with as it will. Iran has been free to develop and purchase weapons for years. Iran has developed weapons and systems in-house. Those weapons and systems are unknown and most dangerous. The US may kill a lot of innocent civilians but, not Shock & Awe the Iranian military - even with the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
The US is more vulnerable in the Middle East than Iran. Western capital is spread all over the Middle East and all over the world. Western capital is indefensible. Capitalism itself is anemic at this time. The US has depleted its own strength with ten years of senseless war and excessive military spending garrisoning the globe. According to Thomas Paine, the British did the same thing during our Revolutionary War. They had too many interests to defend around the world and not enough ships and men to send to the Colonies. US use of tactical nuclear weapons and the Bush Doctrine would bring world condemnation and war crimes trials for US leaders. Iran is not going to attack US.
No way are we going to attack Iran. All hubris and posturing for US folks at home. There is an election coming. Obama, Neocons', Hill, everybody is strong on defense. Yada. Yada. Too late in the game, too many fronts. We can't even stop Chavez! Chavez is a much bigger threat to the Plutocrats. Iran is years away from developing nuclear weapons but, may very well have some now. Pakistan does. India does. N. Korea does. Israel does. We do. Iran will have nuclear weapons someday.
"Iran's weapons systems are unknown and dangerous"
SJR, you bet they are dangerous, but they are not unknown. Don't we have more than 7 National Military Intelligence agencies? They know about the newest Russian missile systems Iran has purchased from Russia. It's public knowledge. I read about it two-three years ago either on some Russian website, or on www.GlobalResearch.ca, or www.GlobalSecurity.com or Google? I forget which.
Moreover, when I went to (www.whitehouse.gov) today to plead that our Commander-in-Chief consider issuing an executive order--when the Senate is not in session--to appoint Elisabeth Warren as head of Consumer Protection, I also subscribed to White House "updates".
In response I got cyberspace White House thank you.,on top of which Google allowed a two line ad to be inserted which said:"The Blue Dress Party? www.obamasbluedressparty,com, The Party of Lies! Tea Baggers Unite" This "AD" was either hacked in or allowed in by Google! Sorta disgraceful.
Gee, I don't think Dorothy or me is in Kansas anymore!
"Iran has developed weapons and systems in-house. Those weapons and systems are unknown and most dangerous."
You don't know them till you know them in a Biblical sense. The first shot is a freebie.
As already noted in media, IMF has effectively declared that the USA is bankrupt, in its annual review of US fiscal policy. Its spending much more than current income, and has growing debts of hundreds of trillions of dollars, with hidden costs and debt in every corner of its economy. Its non-negotiatable lifestyle is going to go down the money drain.
The imports of oil to the USA are going to become very much more expensive. Retiring baby boomers are going to be expensive. Climate change is getting more expensive, and so is its mitigation. Risky off shore oil exploration has become expensive. Its world wide military base upkeep and wars are very expensive. Various spending cuts on infrastructure, health and education, can become expensive, because they represent abandonment of investment in the future.
Because the war machine is the most preserved sink of money, it must be that war leaders believe that this is the best investment in the future of the USA, and a further war with Iran will pay oil dividends. There are several logical reasons why this cannot be true.
The zeroth reason is the loss of talent and waste of opportunities, and avoidance of the real problems facing all current human civilisation, as well as the USA, of environment, climate change, resource depletion and overpopulation. The USA are spending time, money, carbon emissions and lives in futile destructive wars. This major part of the human species, at least as once measured in wealth, is squandering time and resources. The good news is that the world economy will eventually respond by reducing the ability of the USA to consume and make war.
The first reason is that even war victories beyond its wildest dreams will incur continuing costs. For the USA to profit from the Oil, Iran must remain a reasonably intact state, to maintain infrastructure and control. That implies a rampant insurgency.
Any war at any scale, will incur costs on both sides, and can easily cause a world oil supply crisis. There should be a large question as to whether the war policies could ever pay for themselves. I include sanctions as a war policy. The USA - Israeli complex is already in a state of undeclared war against Iran.
The second reason is that the wars and sanctions do so much regional damage, that the world economy is itself equally damaged. Then the USA economy is itself damaged. Many opposed to wasteful economic growth might say, this is not so bad. I say the damage , especially environmental costs and damage, far outweigh any gains. The costs of repair, and the losses of the unrepairable, must be paid eventually.
So why is the USA so stupid? It can only be that hugely rich special interests, such as oil corporations, are running the show. All they care about is short-term bottom line profits. No matter what appears on everyone elses balance sheet. The war machine is itself a money sucking institution, unquestioned about its usefulness. Big oil, coal, finance and military run the USA government. Their squabbles are about how to divide the loot. The money flows feed the functionaries and lackies. A self-serving wealth setup beyond the dreams of socialist nirvana, for those that run the game.
Goldberg is a racist, zionist hack. He has nothing but hatred for non-Jews in the Middle East and his warmongering against Muslim nations just proves it. Like other zionist warmongers, his vision of "peace" in the ME is Israel grabbing all the land between Jordan and the sea. Theft, war crimes, assassinations, occupation, piracy--it's all fine if Israel does it. Getting sick and tired of these Occupation-deniers.
Donna, you said it all.
"The intergrity played out during work on the 2007 Congressionally mandated National Intelligence Estimate that it took almost all of 2007 to complete. Most of those intelligence officials who had 'fixed' the intelligence on Iraq were given the heave ho."
According to McGovern, most (but not all) of the fixers referred to in the infamous Downing Street Memos of 2002 were "given the heave ho" by 2007 by the Bushies. Interesting turn of phrase, that. Granted, Ray might be given a pass for not naming names or being more specific here, lest McGovern perhaps meet the fate of Scooter Libby for outing these high ranking, top security clearance holding public servants. Still, this is the first I've heard that some of the people who helped lie us into war in Iraq actually suffered some form of adverse career consequences for their acts of betrayal.
Where are those intelligence officials who did not get the heave ho earning their paychecks and formulating policy today?
As for those who did get the old heave ho, where are they and what are they doing now?
Since think tank consulting work and subcontracting of national intelligence work has become a booming growth industry in Washington ever since 9/11, I'll bet most of these faceless fixers are still laughing all the way to the bank.
Bill from Saginaw
I enjoy reading your posts.
"I'll bet most of these faceless fixers are still laughing all the way to the bank."–(Bill from Saginaw)
–And in truth, it could be no other way, America being what it is.
Laughing all the way to the think tank? I like that phrase.
Check out Glenn Greenwald's column on this incredible incident.
Goldberg just flat out lies and it gets into the Atlantic? What has happened to our intellectual media?
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/12/goldberg/index.html
By the way, why doesn't Greenwald get featured here a couple of times per week? You have to go to salon.com to find him.
I think salon has cracked down. I notice that CD no longer reproduces his complete articles and instead links you to the rest of his articles. You follow the link and are promptly assaulted by a pop up ad. What a deal!
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Goldberg and the rest of the NeoCons, who lied this nation into the illegal and illadvised War and Occupation of Iraq, are FIFTH COLUMNISTS,,,TRAITORS.
These Traitors and the Jewish Lobbies not only have manipulated the Obama Administration into a full scale War in Afghanistan, and a sub-rosa war in Pakistan; but are pulling the President's strings to attack Iran.
These Traitors should be arrested for their FIFTH COLUMNISTS' CRIMES against the United States of America.
Further, the Unites States should break all military, political, and financial ties with the State of Israel,,,,IMMEDIATELY/
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Do these "Jewish Lobbies" also include born again Christians? Because a hell of a lot of them are rabid zionists. Also there are large numbers of Jews who oppose the current zionist madness.
You might consider using the term "Israeli Lobby" or "zionist lobby." Unless of course it's your intention to be perceived as a Nazi.
The relative number is a red herring.
Who promoted these Christians and helped propel them into power? Why, Zionists. (Think Rupert Murdoch, Fox.)
How rabid are these Christians compared to Jewish Zionists? Not nearly as much.
Exactly how large and power are these "...large numbers of Jews who oppose the current zionist madness." Why the number is miniscule and the power almost nil.
Why does the Zionist dreamjoehill bring in this red herring? To misdirect us in order to give cover so that AIPAC can continue it's sapping of our economy, our military, our world standing, our political system etc.
Remember the USS Liberty! (Was it Jews or Christians that tried to sink it?)
De-Countrify Israel Now and force Zionists to pay reparations.
At what point does the First Amendment stop protecting war profiteers who, despite being unregistered to do so, represent foreign countries? Dragging America into foreign wars for the benefit of Israel is so obviously the point of all this that there must be a breaking point. At what point does such treachery become sedition? I would honestly like to know. Goebbels was nothing more than a cheerleader, yet the Nuremberg tribunal would probably have hanged him had he not first committed suicide after murdering his wife and several young children. When do we begin hanging neocons who promote illegal wars in exactly the same way Goebbels did? It is frightening that they know they can get away with this. And so soon after they dragged us into Iraq.
Is Jeffrey Goldberg a stand-in for "Dr. Strangelove"? If so then President Barack Obama must be playing an updated version of said film's President Mervin Muffley.
The president in "Dr. Strangelove" is named Merkin Muffley.
oh, don't be so pedantic mordechai.................melin, merkin, merfin, what the hell does it matter? we are all fucked whoever steers the ship...............
My country went to war in the mid-east and all I got was this stupid bill.
Don't look now but a larger bill is in the mail now...But then hay a lot of the talking heads
are saying this is the only way out of this financial mess..War always makes a lot of money..
either way its your kids and grandkids that will pay the bill.
SUPPORT THE EMPIRE SEND YOUR NEIGHBORS KIDS
Lets send all the kids from the parents who attend these fake evangelical Christian Mega churches.
These rich mega church ministers are deafly silent on the evils of war and empire,
I guess they got a message from Jesus telling them that this was a good war, Christians Killing Muslims.
Now, if " Winning the Hearts and minds" of our Muslim brothers by spreading Democracy means they are not allowed to build Mosques in America, land of freedom of religions, and church ministers burning the Koran, land of freedom of speech,
then I would say I am sure we are gaining some ground winning the hearts and minds of those we are trying to liberate / control.
End these wars of greed , empire, and Christian bullshit.They are making us less safe every day.
I have experienced Christian community watch gang stalking , I am telling you right now, these people are as sick and twisted as anyone else in America if not worse, because they think that going to church every Sunday, putting a Jesus fish symbol on their car,gives them the right to destroy other peoples lives.
Christians are terrorists and torture freaks!!!!!!!!
Bornfreemen,
Christian community watch gang stalking"? What have they done? I'm curious about this gang stalking business.
you might have been on the receiving end and got your head/arms/legs blown off....
General Strike!!! my god, we have to stop this insanity. General strike for 3 to 5 days.
Why isn't ANYONE even on the libertarian/anarchist left even TRYING to start the bottom up organization needed?
What the hell are we doing?
yes it will fail....then you do it again...and again...pull all military out of afghanistan and Iraq, and demand money for manufacturing jobs here...to build trains...and make our cities dense and green and etc etc...
GO now! find five or ten people that agree with you. Start bottom up direct democracy org's for this purpose and the long term purpose of creating a REAL left.
put up blogs, and websites ...under 'general strike'....flyer in your neighborhood to have bigger meetings...this is an earth crisis as well as a USA led militaristic death march for millions. Don't let little lenins and maoists fill the void either!!!!!
we have to build a base to defend ourselves against the fascists also!!!
GO NOW......fight back and build solidarity!!!! MUTUAL AID and LAND AND FREEDOM!
SHOW YOUR POWER.....direct actions gets the goods!
the world will cheer us on!!!!!!!!
Try to organize it in your own town. Then let us know what happened. If something does not work, try another approach. This is not meant in any way to disparage your goal, but to help you and us to understand what the action you are proposing entails, and to get it started.
"If you want to truly understand something, try to change it". Kurt Lewin said that.
Joe
I read Goldberg's article and it was obvious to me that his intentions are to drag us, the US into helping them, the Israeli government invade or attack Iran. I suspect if they go alone they will loose to Iran and out of their hatred and insanity they will try to use one or more of those secret A-bombs they have. Technically, Goldberg is nothing but a Israeli spy. The President will never let these people control him.
Mars, I see a typo: "The President will let these people control him."
Well, what would you call Rahm Emanuel? He, too, served in the Israeli Army, not the U.S. and holds Israeli Citizenship!
Weren't Israeli spies caught in DOD? Were they ever punished?
Sorry kids, The American Warships, 10 plus an aircraft carrier, passed through the Suez Canal, June 6,2010! The ships then were practicing bombing raids off the coast of Israel. After those practices, they moved on to the Persian Gulf to wait for the attack to begin!
The Bilderberg Club met in Spain, June 5-8,2010, "The Club", led by Henry Kissinger, decided to attack Iran. (American Free Press reported.)
Dr. Rauni Kilde, Ex-Minister from Finland, claims NATO nations are to send ships north of Norway in September. She claims that their purpose is to prevent Russian interferance when Iran is attacked.
And now, you have the worst draught in Russian history with fires threatening nuclear waste.......Yes, the U.S. and HAARP can have devastating effects on weather. Research "Video History Channel "Chemtrails"!
Iran is doomed and so is The American Economy. Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski could care less about The American People and they have been deciding American Policy since the 70's.
All Jews hold Israeli citizenship, not just Emanuel. Our government and media are heavily laden with Israelis, so, too, the right wing pro-war think tanks. War is, after all, a great business for those without conscience. And if they get caught breaking the law, they simply hop on a plane to Tel Aviv...no extradition treaty with Israel, of course. The Israeli who butchered a half dozen people with a large knife over the past several weeks was five minutes from getting on an airplane home when the FBI caught up with him. He would never have spent a day in jail for murdering Americans. Think about it. Think about it again.
"All Jews hold Israeli citizenship". I do not think that is exactly true. I think it is more like "All Jews are eligible to prove their Jewish ancestry and to apply for Israeli citizenship".
Joe
Lets send all the kids from the parents who attend these fake evangelical Christian Mega churches.
These rich mega church ministers are deafly silent on the evils of war and empire,
I guess they got a message from Jesus telling them that this was a good war, Christians Killing Muslims.
Now, if " Winning the Hearts and minds" of our Muslim brothers by spreading Democracy means they are not allowed to build Mosques in America, land of freedom of religions, and church ministers burning the Koran, land of freedom of speech,
then I would say I am sure we are gaining some ground winning the hearts and minds of those we are trying to liberate / control.
End these wars of greed , empire, and Christian bullshit.They are making us less safe every day.
I have experienced Christian community watch gang stalking , I am telling you right now, these people are as sick and twisted as anyone else in America if not worse, because they think that going to church every Sunday, putting a Jesus fish symbol on their car,gives them the right to destroy other peoples lives.
Christians are terrorists and torture freaks!!!!!!!!
Just think of this : Jesus is a prophet of Islam. Think about the implications.
Then this: Abraham is the father of all three of the big ones-Judism, Christianity, Islam.
It just spirals into insanity.
DCH, for the slow-witted among us, perhaps you can tell us your point? I for one don't think religion has ANYTHING to do with the wars ongoing in the Middle East or the "war on terror" or the impending possible attack on Iran. Religion is USED, by the corporate media and the oligarchs, as a way to manipulate folks into BELIEVING there are irreconcilable differences among various groups. Certainly religion has no central role in the Israeli-Palestinian problem, which is all about LAND -- LAND that Israel stole and continues to occupy and settle in violation of international law. Granted, Israeli right-wingers claim "God gave us this land," but they are a small minority, and even the govt. does not endorse that simple-minded view.
Memory_Hole I mostly agree with you that it is about resources and not about religion. Certainly the locations selected for Jewish settlement first in the Balfour Declarations and then for the state of Israel after WW II were influenced by the goals of US and British oil and military interests in the region. As another poster pointed out, the governments and mainstream press of US and Britain had studiously ignored the plight of Jews in Europe before and during WW II and had refused boatloads of refugees.
Many who supported the founding of Israel in its current location were good people of many religions, including Jews, who were simply shocked to the core by the Holocaust and were unaware both of the existence of the Palestinian people and the machinations of "Western" (aka imperialist) interests. This would include my own Christian family.
The Jewish Holocaust was later cultivated as a story, often to the exclusion of other WW II horrors such as the rape of Nanking, the murders of gypsies, gay people, the handicapped or 20 million Russians, the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan - all of the unbelievable suffering that war brings to innocent people. I did not know until the 70's that in the village of my ancestors in Belarus the Nazis came in, herded everyone into barns and into the church and burned them alive. One perceived difference is that other national groups had their own country or territory which they could rally to defend. That accounts for some of the support of Israel.
In addition, I have personally found that "God gave us this land" is widely accepted as the justification for the statehood of Israel by comfortable Jewish residents in US suburbs, who then contribute to Israel and to politicians here. Some of them move to Israel, say from LA, displacing the people whose families had actually lived there continuously for centureies. "God gave us this land" is a non-provable, non-refutable justification for the land grab. (The current state of Israel is not accepted by some ultra-orthodox groups, although I do not quite understand the subtleties of their view but it has something to do with the Messiah not having returned.)
Israel has an adaptable and varied repertoire of stories to explain its expansionism, its aggression, both internal and external, and its trampling of human rights.
Joe
I strongly agree that it is unstable and not safe for us to let this middle eastern nation have nuclear weapons. They have a history of attacking their neighbors, making bellicose threats against neutral nations on the high seas, and engaging in terrorism. U.N. sanctions have clearly failed to change this nation's behavior.
Therefore I am in total support of any action needed to be taken against ISRAEL.
Right, LibWingofLibWing, and all options should be on the table.
During ww11 we knew the Jews were being put into camps, and possibly being exterminated, I'm sure our goverment knew the whole truth, anyways we did nothing for almost 5 yrs. to help them, and in the end, we only did it because they were there. After the war the U.N. got together and gave them land, that had belonged to the palisteins for ever. I don't see why, we should be worried about watching their backs, should they attack Iran. I don't see why we let them have Nuclear weapons, since we seem to think it is up to us, who is worthy of having these world killer bombs. Isreal as one of many Nations we are allied with, should not dictate U.S. policy, and yet it does. Even more than the U.K., and France. Some say we have to protect them because of the Bible, and krapt like that, but I think we want to bomb Iran and siding with Isreal as "GOOD BUDDIES" and having all our equipment next door in Afghanistan, makes for a perfect situation to start a major Third World War, and have well trained, seasoned soldiers right there, and then take on North Korea, and conquor the world....just like Rome did. Of course in the long run, it did not go so good for Rome.
Isreal is a criminal acting Country, and is committing crimes against humanity, just like we are, in that sense we are good buddies. Them having Nucleor weapons to help us wipe out Iran, will be useful to us. In reality we should be sanctioning Isreal until it frees' the people of Gaza, and starts behaving like a good Country should. However, sinse our Country is so corrupt itself, we are being the bad boy on the blocks best friend.
And it's one ,two ,three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't know a thing,
Whoopy were all gonna die !
A loose translatin of Country Joe and the Fish...
I actually wrote a rebuttal to this post until I went to copy your last sentence and realized it said "against" instead of "support". Nice work. Right you are.
For-sure,the wrong folks are in Gitmo!
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Our Puppet President is controlled by aliens,,,,,they are ZIONISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reminds me of why Norman Finkelstein once described the Atlantic Monthly as "the well-heeled house organ of Zionist crazies".
http://www.counterpunch.com/finkelstein09102003.html
Nor would Norman Finkelstein have been remiss to include "The New Yorker" in the same scabrous dance cadaverous of Zionist procurement as "The Atlantic Monthly," and of course, the "New York Times."
How quaint that the highest, most regnant orifices of American public 'culture' have so much blood on their hands as to resemble a scene from Shakespeare's "Macbeth," in all its sanguinary and morbid compulsiveness.