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Mosque Mania: Anti-Muslim Fears and the Far Right
There is a distinct creepiness to the controversy now raging around a proposed Islamic cultural center in Lower Manhattan. The angry "debate" over whether the building should exist has a kind of glitch-in-the-Matrix feel to it, leaving in its wake an aura of something-very-bad-about-to-happen.
It's not just that opposition to the building has coalesced around a phony "Mosque at Ground Zero" shorthand (with its echoes of dust, death, and evildoers). Many have pointed out -- futilely -- that the complex will be more than two blocks from the former World Trade Center, around a corner on Park Place, and will feature an auditorium, spa, basketball court, swimming pool, classrooms, exhibition space, community meeting space, 9/11 memorial, and, yes, a prayer space for Muslims. The shorthand still sticks.
Nor is it just that this is only the most visible of a growing number of nasty controversies over proposed mosques in Tennessee, California, Georgia, Kentucky, Wisconsin, and Illinois as well as Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, and Midland Beach, Staten Island, in New York City. Such protests are emerging with alarming frequency. Nor is it simply that political leaders -- from Republican presidential wannabes to New York gubernatorial hopefuls -- have sought to exploit the Lower Manhattan controversy. (Sarah Palin demanded that "peaceful Muslims" step up and "refudiate" the plan; Newt Gingrich denounced the building of such a "mosque" as long as Saudi Arabia bars construction of churches and synagogues; Rick Lazio, a Republican campaigning for the governorship of New York state, asserted that the plan somehow subverted the right of New Yorkers "to feel safe and be safe.")
No, it's the déjà-vu-ness of the controversy that kindles special unease, the sense that we've been here before as a country, and the realization that, for a decade, a significant number of our nation's political leaders have been honing an anti-Muslim narrative which fertilizes anti-Muslim sentiment to the point where it is now spreading like a toxic plume, uncapped and uncontrollable.
The mosque controversy is not really about a mosque at all; it's about the presence of Muslims in America, and the free-floating anxiety and fear that now dominate the nation's psyche. The mere presence of Muslims at prayer is now enough to trigger angry protests, as Bridgeport, Connecticut, police discovered last week. Those opposing the construction of the center in New York City are drawing on what amounts to a decade of government-stoked xenophobia about Muslims, now gathering strength and visibility in a nation full of deep economic anxieties and increasingly aggressive far-right grassroots groups. Lower Manhattan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and Temecula, California, are all in this together. And it is not going to go away simply because the New York Landmarks Preservation Commission gave its unanimous blessing to the Islamic center plan. Since that is the case, it's worth pausing to consider what has happened here over the past 10 years.
Panic in the Streets
In the panicked wake of 9/11, revenge attacks on Muslims (and dark-skinned people mistaken for Muslims) swept the country. Hundreds of beatings and even some random reprisal killings were reported coast to coast.
On Sept. 17, 2001, the day after he told the nation that a "crusade" against terror was in order, President Bush stood in the Islamic Center of Washington and piously proclaimed that "Islam is peace." At virtually the same moment across town, Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller III were at a press conference, announcing that 55,000 tips had flooded into their ballooning 9/11 investigation, an undisclosed number of immigration violators and uncharged material witnesses were being hauled into custody, Arabic and Farsi speakers were suddenly in demand at the FBI, and major legislation was already in the works to beef up government surveillance, immigration, and anti-terror capabilities. But no, Mueller said, there was nothing at all to complaints of ethnic targeting from Arab-American communities.
After the Patriot Act became law that October, Ashcroft launched a nationwide program of 5,000 "voluntary" interviews with Muslims from the Middle East. Internal Justice Department memos instructed interviewers to detain anyone suspected of immigration violations. "Let the terrorists among us be warned: If you overstay your visa -- even by one day -- we will arrest you," Ashcroft proclaimed.
When that initial set of 5,000 interviews was deemed complete (leading to no terrorism arrests of any kind), Ashcroft announced that another 3,000 would be conducted. He vowed to find anyone who had skipped out on the previous "voluntary" round.
By the end of 2001, a minimum of 2,000 Middle Easterners and South Asians had been taken into custody, the vast majority without criminal charges of any kind being lodged. Arrests were often highly publicized; the aftermaths of those arrests were shrouded in secrecy as court and immigration hearings were closed to family, public, and press. Vague color-coded attack alerts were announced by federal officials, and citizens were instructed to be prepared for a second 9/11 at any time. In 2004, another round of 5,000 voluntary interviews with Arabs and Muslims was announced.
The FBI began toting up the number and location of mosques around the country. The Census Bureau was drawn into a scheme to identify and enumerate areas with large Middle Eastern populations. The Energy Department was engaged to monitor mosques for suspicious levels of radiation.
A year after the 9/11 attacks, a special immigration program was instituted that required men from two dozen predominantly Muslim nations (and North Korea) to register with immigration authorities. Nearly 84,000 did so, with about 3,000 abruptly detained and over 13,000 promptly subjected to deportation proceedings. Muslims began to "disappear" from the streets of America. Lawyers wearing yellow shirts with "Human Rights Monitor" written on the back sought to keep track of individuals heading into registration centers in New York and Los Angeles -- and never leaving again.
Not surprisingly, this frenzy of law enforcement activity led many Americans to believe that there must be a dark reason so much attention was being paid to so many Muslims. By 2003, announcements of elaborate terror "plots" and investigations had already taken over the news. These would regularly serve, like booster shots, to revitalize public suspicions that foul things were afoot. Muslims in Lodi, California, were plotting to blow up supermarkets. In Columbus, Ohio, they were targeting malls. In New York City, it was the Herald Square subway station.
Dozens and dozens of such cases have been reported over the past decade. Virtually all of them involved Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims. Virtually none of the supposed plots had any chance of happening, and many were, in fact, fueled by zealous government informers and covert agents. As with the numerous immigration detentions and deportations in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, much publicity surrounded announcements that violent and deadly "jihadist" plots had been thwarted. Often, when the suspects finally came to trial, charges and evidence amounted to something far less ominous (and so, far less publicized).
Nevertheless, the threat, said authorities, was everywhere -- even if it couldn't be seen.
New Administration, Old Story
Throughout this period, the number of vigilante attacks on mosques, as well as individual Muslims, continued to rise, though these received little press attention. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) received 602 credible Muslim civil rights complaints in 2002, 1,019 in 2003, and 1,522 in 2004. Such complaints included 42 hate crimes reported in 2002, 93 in 2003, and 141 in 2004. CAIR also cited and described several significant acts of violence against mosques, including bombings and arson, but did not specify the figures.
In its 2009 civil rights report, CAIR said it had processed 2,728 civil rights violations, including 721 that involved mosques or Muslim organizations, up from 221 mosque incidents in 2006. The organization expressed some optimism in its report, however, because there had been a decline in the number of reported hate crimes to 116 in 2008 from 135 the previous year. Again, CAIR reported serious mosque attacks and vandalism without separating out the figures.
It seems hardly coincidental, at this point, that when authorities announce another incident or terror plot -- the failed effort to blow up an SUV in Times Square in May, for instance -- random attacks on Muslims and Muslim institutions as well quickly follow. For example, a bomb was detonated at a mosque in Jacksonville, Florida, shortly after the Times Square incident. As the Lower Manhattan controversy spread in the news, arsonists attacked a mosque in Texas, and a church in Gainesville, Florida, announced that it would hold a bonfire of Qurans on the anniversary of 9/11.
The change in presidential administrations has had no discernable moderating effect on such passions. In fact, as if to assert its own toughness, the Obama administration has now given its tacit blessing to legislation introduced in Congress late in July by Adam Schiff, a congressman from California, that would carve out "terrorism exceptions" to constitutionally mandated Miranda warnings. The legislation would extend to up four days the period when law enforcement agents can question terrorism suspects without informing them of their right to remain silent and to receive the assistance of an attorney. If past is prelude, such exceptions will initially have a disproportionate impact on Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims in America, only later spreading to wider groups of Americans taken into custody.
Parallel to the federal law-enforcement focus on Muslims, the past decade has witnessed a proliferation of anti-Muslim "analysts," "terror experts," political commentators, and websites. This burgeoning industry, focused on Muslims as virtually a fifth column seeking to take over the country, has attracted ever more media attention, particularly as FOX News has chronicled and promoted the rise of the Tea Party movement.
It is in this alternate universe, after so many years of heightened anti-Muslim sentiments, that a Lower Manhattan prayer space designed to promote reconciliation has become the dreaded Mosque at Ground Zero, a "monument that would consist of a mosque for the worship of the terrorists' monkey-god," as Mark Williams, then-chairman of a group known as the Tea Party Express, put it.
Waiting for the Demagogue
Here we come to the real source of unease over what's now going on -- the realization that we've seen something like this developing before, only it wasn't diaperheads and terrorism inflaming the country. It was dirty commies and Jews then.
Sixty years ago, on February 9, 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy rose before a Republican women's club in Wheeling, West Virginia, and delivered the famous speech in which he waved a sheet of paper and claimed that on it were the names of -- there is dispute -- 57 or 205 known communists "working and shaping policy in the State Department." In doing so, he put his incendiary, eponymous stamp on the most oppressive period of the Cold War, and as it turned out, the nation was ready for the message.
McCarthyism did not emerge on that cold day solely from the fevered imagination of the Wisconsin senator. There had been a drumbeat of anti-Communist red-baiting, hearings, speeches, treason charges, and grandstanding coming from Washington for years. The House Committee on Un-American Activities, anti-communist informer Whittaker Chambers, ambitious congressman Richard Nixon, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, President Harry Truman -- all did yeoman's work in preparing the soil for McCarthy and his reckless accusations of "20 years of treason!"
There are some substantial differences between then and now. Most importantly, McCarthy operated from within the political system, using his subcommittee chairmanship as a vehicle for pseudo-investigations and attacks. When his Senate colleagues turned on him following a particularly reckless campaign against the U.S. Army, McCarthy was stripped of his chairmanship and his power. A true demagogue, he had no organization to speak of, only those who feared him and those who followed him.
By contrast, while some extreme anti-Muslim sentiment is in evidence in Washington, the real juice for an anti-Muslim movement is now bubbling up outside the Beltway, much as virulent racist hysteria has, in the past, bubbled up from the grassroots. In that regard, it's worth noting that about a third of America's five to eight million Muslims are African American.
Some mainstream politicians have actually tried to tamp down the Lower Manhattan controversy. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has, for instance, made numerous comments in support of the project and the principle of freedom of religion that goes with it. Such statements have, however, had little effect in quieting the dispute, countered as they are by opposition not only from the fringes, but from some mainstream Republican politicians and establishment non-governmental organizations. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), for example, recently came out with a statement opposing the construction plan, despite the fact that the rest of the opposition, the group said, exhibited elements of bigotry. It is better to side with bigots, the ADL essentially argued, than ignore the post-9/11 "healing process."
Because of the decentralized, grassroots nature of this anti-Muslim movement and the accompanying hysteria, it will be no easy task to put the mosque-at-Ground-Zero genie back in its bottle. Those who think that the decision by the New York City Landmarks Commission to clear the way for construction is likely to end the antagonism are undoubtedly engaged in wishful thinking. There are virtually endless potential flashpoints embedded along the road ahead, nor are the issue and its passions purely dependant on what happens in Manhattan, where a recent poll showed a majority of residents favor construction (although a majority of all New York City residents do not).
In California, those opposed to mosque construction in Temecula were urged to protest by rallying at the mosque with their dogs. Muslims "hate dogs," an unsigned email alert erroneously claimed. Counter-demonstrators turned out. There, too, the dispute continues. "The Islamic foothold is not strong here, and we really don't want to see their influence spread," Pastor Bill Rench of Temecula's Calvary Baptist Church told the Los Angeles Times. "There is a concern with all the rumors you hear about sleeper cells and all that. Are we supposed to be complacent just because these people say it's a religion of peace? Many others have said the same thing."
In Kentucky, a fledgling controversy over a proposed mosque in Florence, south of Cincinnati, is also spreading thanks to anonymous communications. One unsigned protest flyer stated that "Americans need to stop the takeover of our country, our government is not protecting us."
Such sentiments are common to virtually all anti-Muslim protests: somehow, Muslims are taking over. Oklahoma legislators, fearing the imposition of Islamic law in Oklahoma courts, have even asked voters to amend the state constitution to forbid it. The government, increasing numbers of Americans evidently believe, is passively allowing Muslim subversion, and citizens need to defend themselves.
In Tennessee, a rancorous fight over a planned mosque in Murfreesboro has been rife with such sentiments. Lou Ann Zelenik, a Tennessee Republican congressional candidate locked in a tough primary race, denounced the mosque plan, characterized its leaders as foreign agents with a "radical agenda," and received strong support from the Wilson County Tea Party, a local group.
On its website, the Tea Party curtsies to the U.S. Constitution and then quickly cuts to the chase: "But this question must be asked based on repeated violence committed by Islamists in the name of religion: Is Islam nothing more than a front for terrorism?" Tennessee's lieutenant governor, Ron Ramsey, a Republican candidate for governor, went out of his way last month to characterize Islam as a "cult" which may not warrant First Amendment protection: "You can even argue whether being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, a way of life, or a cult -- whatever you want to call it..."
The proliferation of, and acceptance of, such talk, particularly from major political candidates, may be preparing the American ground for the emergence of a leader who can synthesize the demonizing and scapegoating of Muslims, fears augmented by severe economic anxiety, the maturing of extreme rightwing activism, and a widespread and growing contempt for official Washington. If that happens, the nation -- and American Muslims -- could face something far worse than McCarthy, who held sway in a golden era of rising expectations and general economic growth.
Mosque controversies will be the least of it then.
Stephan Salisbury is cultural writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer. His most recent book is Mohamed's Ghosts: An American Story of Love and Fear in the Homeland (Nation Books).
[Note on further reading: The CAIR 2005 report on civil rights abuses with some comparative statistics can be found in .pdf format here. The CAIR 2009 report and statistics, also in .pdf format, can be found here.]
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Show AllForget the folks like Tennessee's lieutenant governor, Ron Ramsey. Those types are always around.
It seems to me that this is a question that revolves around questions of proprieity rather than freedom of religion.
My view hasn't changed, I believe its simply in bad taste and very bad manners to place this here and to continue with a plan that most New Yorkers object to.
I noticed that Islamic countries do not allow Christian churches to be built anywhere in their countries, so is it that big a deal for these folks to consider cmoving a few more blocks away? I'd ask for donations and saqy we can't afford to move our plan unless you help us and lets see if this is really important.
Frankly, it does seem unusual that they are insisting on this location without any discussion.
Are you a resident of Manhattan? And have you polled all Manhattanites as to their wishes on this matter?
I thought not.
I'm not.
But you really should read the article...
"There are virtually endless potential flashpoints embedded along the road ahead, nor are the issue and its passions purely dependant on what happens in Manhattan, where a recent poll showed a majority of residents favor construction (although a majority of all New York City residents do not)."
Think again.
'I noticed that Islamic countries do not allow Christian churches to be built anywhere in their countries'
Did you?
Oman, Iran, Qatar, UAE, Iraq, Lebanon,Palestine, Indonesia, Malaysia Syria, Pakistan and Turkey all have churches. I don't think you noticed anything. You heard it and decided not to do a 5 sec search to see if it is true. Only Saudi Arabia does not allow churches. so it is not that 'Islamic Countries' do not allow churches. One country does not so please get your facts straight and stop repeating things you hear.
Did you check to see how many have allowed it recently? Lebanon just refused new construction by the way. Perhaps you should do a bit more searching.
Of course there are churches in these countries, how many new ones built in the last 10 years say?
Stop moving the goal posts.
The Lebanon incident was a response to Swiss intolerance.
Somebody has to be the grown-up. Tit-for-tat will get us all incinerated.
Responding to intolerance to the intolerance found in a few backward countries is absurd. Why can't you see this???
And the attacks had nothing to do with Islam, so any relocation of this recreational center which will be open to everyone, would serve to acknowlege a lie.
Please open you mind a little bit.
Istanbul is where the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church resides, ignoramus.
"...so is it that big a deal for these folks to consider moving a few more blocks away?"
Just curious, how many more blocks away? Is three blocks far enough but two too close? Or is 10 far enough, but 9 too close? Is 10 miles far enough, but 9 miles too close?
Isn't it the "us against them" view of religions that allowed the 911 attacks to occur in the first place? Isn't this concern of the distance of the mosque to ground zero just feeding into this problematic view?
Let me quote Linh Dinh's fine piece that is on this site today: "Previous generations battled management, police or troops for each concession. Today, we show our defiance by mutilating ourselves and dropping our pants a few inches. Many hurl racist insults at the President or those of the wrong faiths or shades. Most of us simply can't recognize our true enemies, and the ones who do feel helpless to make these criminals, and their enablers, nearly all of our bobbing head politicians, pay."
So isn't what this is really all about, hurling insults ad those of the wrong faith, because people cant recognize our true enemies, which are our very own elite ruling classes? Our rulers must be laughing at us because they probably never imagined it would be so easy to distract us from their deeds. A little shiny political tinsel distracts us as easily as real tinsel does a kitten at Christmas.
"I noticed that Islamic countries do not allow Christian churches to be built anywhere in their countries"
Mightymite, that is exactly why the mosque must be allowed. This is to show the Islamic countries and the rest of the world that the United States is a place of tolerance and inclusion. You fail to see the irony that you criticize others for intolerance when you yourself are intolerant.
You appear to have more in common with the Islamic countries than you would care to admit I think.
There was this interview with a woman who had organized to fight the Mosque.
Pamela Geller I think her name was. What an absolute nut and hyprocrite.
First she claims she is not Anti_islam. Then she claims the reason she is against the Mosque is not a "freedom of religion" statement...it merely because it would cause hurt feelings and Muslims must recognize other peoples feelings if they want to integrate with US society.
The interviewer then refers to an image on the womans blog that pictures the prophet with the face of a pig.
The woman then claims nothing wrong with that. It freedom of speech and they have freedom of speech in the USA.
The Woman then claimed that Hitler was "Inspired by Islam" and that "Muslim armies" served under Hitler in the Balkans, this somehow proving Islam gave birth to Nazi's.
(No mention of all the "Christians" in Hitlers army.)
"Muslims must recognize other peoples feelings if they want to integrate with US society."
Oh, yes....I'm sure they want to emulate the white Christian charity that most Christians are exhibiting these days toward people who are different. (Not)
Yes , I am sure the million plus dead killed due to the US Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the attacks on Pakistan , Yemen and other countries by the US Military had a little more then their "feelings" hurt.
I'm glad to see you aren't a religious bigot.
I suggest you read what is being said.
GwNorth:
But I kinda find Geller hot:-)
"..."Muslim armies" served under Hitler in the Balkans..."
While Geller is an airhead, she is right in this (see The 13th Waffen SS Mountain Division "Handschar").
Of course, she doesn't mention the role of muslims on the Allied side (Punjabis in Africa, for example, or fighting against the Japanese in Asia).
>>I noticed that Islamic countries do not allow Christian churches to be built anywhere in their countries, so is it that big a deal for these folks to consider cmoving a few more blocks away
So? More "Newt Gingrich logic".
Are you Saudi Arabia or not and why do you want to be more like them?
Try this...
"I notice the Syrians torture prisoners so why can we not do it..just a little bit?"
Let me ask you something. During the second war the majority of Canadians and Americans supported the Internment of persons of Japanese descent. Do you think it would have been "bad manners" for these Japanese Americans\Canadians to move back into their old neighborhoods because of the hurt feelings it might have caused?
What of blacks moving into White Communities? What of de-segregation which most whites in the South were opposed to?
Should those decisions been based upon what the majority of people wanted and whether or not "feelings hurt"?
If 300 white kids were protesting the arrival of those first black students at a school in the south would you have taken their side?
"hurt feelings" is not a reason to support racism and bigotry. "Hurt feelings" are simply being used by these people to promote it.
Don't forget those beheadings and stonings. So much more effective. I'm sure Newt would embrace them.
You want to institute those here I'm sure, after all religious freedom, right? You wouldn't want to stop someone from exercising their rights would you.
Cutting off noses and ears is part of the required experience too I hear.
You just hurt my feelings.
Internment also of Americans and Canadians of German descent, irrespective of how long ago. That included settlers from the 1840's and earlier, i.e., the Mennonites (Amish). They never got restitution.
I have ancestors who were in California during the Gold Rush days - how would they have been culpable?
Xenophobia - a game everyone wants to play, especially if it can be made profitable or serve some political cause.
I simply mentioned that because I detest it when people start suggesting we have to "prove" how PC we are or prove how "enlightened" we are by being more "correct"
If yoiu tell me you thyink there is no reason that the folks cshouldn't rethink their position, that it is not exactly welcomed by the local resident's I'll think you have lost it.
SAs to JUapanese internment or Blacks or school integration...there is no comparison to this at all. Are you simply practicing straw manning this week?
You know what I'm saying, don't be obtuse. I exdpect it from the PC police, not you. NG indeed.
Racism and bigotry my foot. There comes a time when you have to stop trotting thsat out each time someone objects to something.
"You know what I'm saying, don't be obtuse (sic). I exdpect it from the PC police, not you (sic). NG indeed."
Nobody knows what you're saying because your writing is so horrible. Please take a few seconds to proofread.
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Straw manning? Hardly. The motivations for people not wanting "Blacks" In their communities or schools was the same as not wanting a Mosque near 9/11. Its driving force racism and bigotry and I do not think any country should cater to that lot.
Caving to this Public pressure to "Move the Mosque" will simply encourage this lot and if the USA is in fact a Country that claims to support the freedoms it claims as its birthright they can not base policy on what the mob wants.
You used as premise for moving the Mosque that of "hurt feelings" and "bad manners". I did not use those as reasons. Thus linking other examples of "Hurt feelings and bad manners" to other such examples is valid.
How many killed at pearl harbor and how many on 9/11? Would you have opposed the Japanese Americans building a shrine near Pearl harmor?
I suggest you go see the interview with Pamela Geller who is behind two of the major groups trying to stop this construction before claiming she motivated out of the simple desire to "not hurt feelings".
Proving how "PC" they are???
So that is what "PC" means? Is it a symonymn for compassion, decency, and hospitality? I guess I'm PC then.
Note to Rick Lazio:
It won't be "New Yorkers" who won't be safe. It'll be the Muslims - or the Sikhs - or the Hindus - or the Bahai, etc., whose safety is threatened.
Isolated in the back meadows of a tiny town in Ontario Canada, a Sikh temple was vandalized, ruined a few years ago.
Churches seem to be safe...for now.
And anyway, define "New Yorker", Rick. As an individual of Mediterranean extraction, ought he not be wiser? Does he not remember what his ancestors had to endure/overcome when they first arrived in America?
What a display of inglorius reasoning.
Still squinting, as we peer fearfully from the entrance to the cave. We gleefully await the new advances in communication and video devices, shiny new vehicles, and other frivolous fashion, while anchoring our morality to ancient texts of dubious authenticity and devisive mandates, giving the male of the species authority over all.
Thomas Paine does not occupy his rightful place in American history because he put Christianity in its place with the "Age of Reason"
They danced in the streets when Obama was elected. I will dance when a Atheist, gay, Native American woman is elected to anything!
You and me both brother!
"They danced in the streets when Obama was elected. I will dance when a Atheist, gay, Native American woman is elected to anything!
Well said!
And if it's wrong for muslims to want to change the constitution - and it is - why is it right for the christian dominionists to want to so so?
Salisbury is spot on with this piece. Another related part of the story is the economic restructuring that is impoverishing a vast majority of the population adds to the incohate rage of a clueless mob in search of a "savior." A US Hitler is just waiting to happen.
They'd rather have us arguing speculatively or irrationally about where to put a mosque, gay marriage, creationism, 10 commandments in courts, etc. Anything but a real discussion of what's happening to our money, our kids and our future.
Just counting the votes and by a very large majority most folks here on CD give the OK to build a Muslim cultural center at ground zero in New York City. Sounds OK to me..... But...I wonder why the Muslim community would want to do so in the first place.... Perhaps this particular American community takes our collective notion of freedom seriously ...It is time to move on ....
Mosque in Shadow of Twin Towers
There are many means by which promoters of the mosque near the 9/11 site could rectify that horrific act. Nothing could be worse than this shrine which would canonize the 9/11 terrorists as martyrs in the eyes of many reactionaries--thus catalyzing more such events.
Predictably, this project has already generated backlash and unrest among our citizenry, which could lead to violence--and even riots if it were to proceed.
If the families, who were robbed of their loved ones by these homicidal conspirators, approve this project---then let it proceed.
Funny thing about living in a country with a Constitution such as ours: we do not put civil rights to a vote. It doesn't matter if 49% or 51% of the residents of Manhattan are against this construction. We have private property rights and freedom of religion at play here. Oh, sure, we try to put civil rights to a vote all the time. Witness Prop 8. Witness the Jim Crow laws. But ultimately those efforts fail. So will the effort to pretend that Islam is not really a religion and therefore doesn't fall under the protection of the 1st Amendment.
"No more blood for oil"
" Church to Burn Copies of Koran to Mark 9/11
5 August 2010, 12:04 am
By staff writers / News.com.au
A FLORIDA church was yesterday promoting an event where it will burn copies of the Koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the U.S.
In the announcement on its Facebook page, The Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville, Florida, asked other religious groups to join in standing “against the evil of Islam. Islam is of the devil!”
The Facebook event has received more than 1,500 “Like” recommendations by users, but had also been attacked with a number of threatening messages posted on the page and corresponding anti-Islam rants.
The church’s pastor, Terry Jones – who has written a book titled “Islam is of The Devil” and sells T-shirts bearing the same message – defended the controversial event.
“Islam and Sharia law was responsible for 9/11,” Jones told Agence France-Presse.
“We will burn Korans because we think it’s time for Christians, for churches, for politicians to stand up and say no; Islam and Sharia law is not welcome in the U.S.
“We’ve got many death threats from jihad groups, but we cannot react by fear and we cannot compromise our beliefs. Somebody must stand up.”"
BORNFREEMEN ,,, WOW
Produce the tapes of the threats, you know, we have 800000 WARRANT LESS SURVEILLANCE analysts in Washington looking for these jihad groups, we have verizon warrant less wire taps that can track the phone numbers, and we have Fusion center stazi spys that will trak these people down Mr. Jones.
But you people should be very careful, because that kind of hate speech is going to piss off all the oil corporations executives that have Muslim oil buddy friends in the middle east.
Your going to end up on the USA potential anti-government threat lists.
GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY, GET ALL THE CHRISTIANS AND THE CHURCHES ON ANTI-GOVERNMENT / HATE THREAT LISTS. FUEL THE FIRE FOR MORE PRIVATELY RUN WARRANT LESS SURVEILLANCE CONTRACTORS .ARE YOU ALL SO STUPID THAT YOU DONT REALIZE THE 4TH AMENDMENT DOES NOT EXIST, YOU ARE GOING TO HELP BUILD THE CASE TO HAVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION REMOVED, ALL RELIGIONS, YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL INSANE.JESUS WOULD NOT APPROVE OF YOUR ACTIONS, LOVE YOUR ENEMY COMES TO MIND.WHICH ALL OF ISLAM IS NOT.
WOW, I HAVE BEEN WRITING ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS MOVING TOWARDS SELF DESTRUCTION FOR A WHILE, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS.
MUSLIMS AND ISLAM DID NOT ATTACK US, CRIMINALS USING RELIGION DID, DONT TAKE THE SAME PATH FOR CHRISTS SAKE.
TRY PREACHING JESUS, PEACE AND LOVE. END THE WARS, BEFORE YOU DESTROY ALL OUR FREEDOMS IN THIS COUNTRY WITH YOUR STUPID ACTS OF HATE.
ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THAT HAVE TAUGHT ME ABOUT WHAT FAKE CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT.
We need to realize that this proposed Mosque is intended as a shrine to ALL of those who died in the attack on 9/11 or as a result of afflictions sustained in the rescue efforts and the clean-up; it is a gesture of peace by the very people who wish to build that monument near the 9/11 Memorial. It needs to be accepted with gratitude.
I'm white, English by birth, C of E by upbringing, Buddhist by parental influence, and have lived in more countries than most of you have had hot dinners. I am the original man without a country, and I understand but loathe the taint of patriotism and religious affiliation.
I recently moved from South Africa to Oman. Ramadan starts tomorrow in Oman. It heralds a month of daytime fasting and a period of introspection and gentility towards fellow humans. Seems to me there are people on both sides of the debate who need to do some serious introspection and offer some serious gentility towards others. (Forget the Muslim radicals for a moment. We can't fix them. But we can address our radicals.)
We know the Christian fanatics won't do this by themselves. They are motivated by fear and ignorance. So the biggest question is how do we, as a society, remove the ignorance and calm the fear?
As I say, Ramadan starts tomorrow. It will be the first time I have been in a Muslim country for Ramadan, and though I expect to undergo some privation (no eating, drinking or smoking in public until the evening), I am really looking forward to the experience. I expect to learn so much and gain valuable insights into other minds and cultures.
I might get real upset when I can't smoke a cigarette after going diving, or have a coke and a McDonalds at the shopping mall, but that frustration is only in my head. Nowhere else in the whole universe does that frustration exist. And it's worth the knowledge gained.
So knowledge is the answer. That means education. This sort of education means experience. So, though millions of my blood-tribe might crucify me for this, I advocate exporting Americans from a young age to foreign lands. Make it part of a school program, or a Boy Scout Exchange deal. It is the only way to combat this particular sort of virulent racism - by exposing our youth to the lie that others are different (in the things that really matter) from ourselves.
But this just ain't gonna happen is it? I can see the headlines now. So all that remains is to tackle each person's fear one by one. One by one. Remember that in dark days to come. One by one.
People really need to read more world history. When the Library of Alexandria fell, it was the Muslims that kept the ancient writings safe.
When the Dark Ages came to Europe, they might have stayed that way for an even longer time, if not for the discovery of the works of the ancients ( which were kept alive by the Muslims.)
The Renaissance in Italy gave birth to those ideas of democracy and freedom as written about in ancient Greece. From there the ideas filtered to more of Europe
The point is, that without the Muslims, no one would have known about ancient Greece and Aristotle, and what had once been a nation with a democracy.
If it hadn't been for them, then America might not have ever been.
I wish people would read more because all of our histories are so interconnected, that in the end, to deny any culture is in a way, to deny your own.
The mosque must be built where it is.....besides, for those people who fear Islam, the story did say that the mosque would be in the SHADOW of the memorial building. So, you people who believe that the U.S. is the only nation worth looking at, will have a symbolic satisfaction of seeing the World Trade Center, OVER SHADOWING the mosque. Will that symbolism make you happy now?
People should be very careful, because if they are willing to diss someone elses' religion, then their own could be next. In case people forgot too, it is called the WORLD Trade Center, and there are certainly many religions in the world.
Following their silly logic, they would need to raize Kittyhawk. After all, if the Wright brothers hadn't flown that first plane, then none of this would have happened, would it?
It's Rodney King time again, "Can't we all get along"
stardust, I guess I'm reading the wrong texts but Muhammad was born more than 500 years after the destruction of the Library in Alexandria. And like Christianity it reflects gods true intentions for mans behaviour on earth. Rule #1. Men have control over women. If any of the butchery and madness in the old testament is true, the god described there and worshipped by jews, muslims and christians, is an arrogant, evil, monster, who must laugh at the antics of his slavish believers.