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Baptism, Bees, and Salvation
I'll convert YOU!
Into a stew.
A nice little, white little, missionary stew!- T.S. Eliot, Sweeney Agonistes
They're still at it. I'm referring to the Cornerstone Baptist Church in Colorado Springs. They've probably learned that it really works. How else to explain its practices. We examined its practices in 1993 and 16 years later it's still going strong. It's called involuntary baptism.
In 1993 the Cornerstone Baptist church advertised a kids' carnival that featured, among other things, a water fight, free balloons, squirt guns and candy. The carnival was obviously directing its advertising at children since most adults are not attracted to an event just because it has water fights, balloons and squirt guns. Unadvertised, but nonetheless a big part of the festivities, was a spontaneous (as far as the kids were concerned) baptism. Reports suggest that the pastor encouraged the carnival attendees to become baptized by telling them that without the baptism they could be killed by bee stings. If he was right, those accepting the invitation were permanently inoculated against that particular peril. Right or wrong, most children would probably find that appealing since any inoculation one can obtain without being given a shot seems like a very good kind of inoculation indeed.
Baptism in carnival like surroundings was not the only type of surprise baptism engaged in by the church. In at least one case it was sued by a parent whose child had not gone to the carnival but had gone to the church with two women from the church. Aware of the church's tendency to surprise young attendees with baptism, Audrey Ausgotharp told the two women that she did not want the children to come home baptized. As it turned out, the church did not have a hair dryer. When the children came home their hair was wet. Their mother figured out instantly that either they'd been given a shampoo or they'd been baptized. Given Cornerstone's reputation she put the notion of a shampooing out of mind and settled on baptism. She was right and righteously angry. When the two women who had picked the children up were confronted they were apologetic and said the children had been baptized by mistake. The Cornerstone Baptists were not the only denomination that increased the church rolls by involuntary baptism.
In 1996 it was reported that the Anchor Baptist Church in Woburn, Massachusetts had taken to the same practice. It wasn't as much fun for a couple reasons. The first was that it violated all truth in advertising rules and the second was the actual event was preceded by a long and presumably predictably boring sermon. The Anchorfolk reportedly attracted hundreds of kids by promising pizza and basketball. The Anchormen, notwithstanding their love of the Lord, were not infected by the truth in advertising bug. There was, as it turned out, neither pizza nor basketball. Instead of pizza there was a sermon and instead of basketball, swimming-sort of. The swimming was a full body immersion and to participate the children had to disrobe and put on church garb. That is, of course, history, having taken place in 1996. Who'd have thought that a practice from the dark ages of 1996 would still be in vogue today? The answer is it is.
In early May it was reported that representatives of the Cornerstone Church tried to lure a seventh-grader at Russell Middle School in Colorado Springs into a van. Most children lured into vans face consequences far more drastic than a simple hair washing and promise of salvation. The 7th grader refused to enter the van and upon learning of the encounter, the school principle cautioned parents about the threat and reminded them to remind their children not to talk to strangers, even if carrying bibles. According to reports church members have also been approaching children on the playground and outside the school grounds preaching the bible. Van luring is not the church's only method of capturing souls. The carnival is still a favorite.
On May 1 the carnival was again announced but before the attendees could do the fun stuff they were required to be baptized by total immersion. Whether the very tangible benefit of immunity from bee stings was offered, in addition to the promise of salvation, was not stated. Asked about the practice, assistant pastor Ford Glover said he would have no comment. Dan Irwin, an associate pastor said: "No one can show me one passage in the Bible where it says parental permission is required before a child is baptized." Pastor Dean Miller of the church says the church is merely pursuing the Bible's "great commission" to baptize lots of people.
On Cornerstone Church's home page there is a pretty picture of clouds and blue sky. Across the sky in block letters is written "Salvation" and beneath that in cursive, "Easy As 1. 2.. 3..." One probably stands for the carnival, 2 for baptism and 3 for bee sting immunity. Getting 1 and 3 for free would seem to make 2 no big deal. It's hard to understand why parents object.



16 Comments so far
Show AllThose kids with the wet hair... maybe they weren't baptized but just waterboarded... (I guess there is a difference between the two).
I wonder if they'd have the balls to try a stunt like this in Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia... Anyone know if I'd get in trouble if I somehow convinced them it was their biblical duty to try that?
They kill people there for doing something like that. There isn't any religious tolerance in most of these countries.
Yes. I take it you'd object to them being killed for converting people without telling them they're being converted? If I had kids and these jokers pulled a stunt like this, I'd be giving the 'priest' a damn good thumping. I am tolerent of other faiths, but to trick people into converting is just about the lowest sort of 'faithful' behaviour there is.
Isn't far different than the use of schools by the Academic elite as far as I can see.
These church people are truly a bunch of sick SOB's!!
Show me one place in the Bible that says such a baptism is worth a tinker's damn when done to somebody who, by definition, cannot make decisions for themselves.
Not there.
Sioux Rose
Almost the same tactics as getting poor kids to sign up for the military, and interesting "coincidence" that these churches tend to be pro-war and militarism, too!
Also, this article describes the perfect M.O for a pediophile. He can POSE as one of these church recruiters to get kids into the van. The dark side has never had more opportunities than in this marketplace cultural milieu owned and operated, for the most part, by agents of Mammon and/or Mars.
"The Cornerstone Baptists were not the only denomination that increased the church rolls by involuntary baptism."
And does that not mean more government money to support "faith"-based programs for the ever-growing church population
with all those new names on the rolls?
If I were any of those parents, first, my children wouldn't go to that particular church's activities; but more importantly, if my children did go and I had not wanted them baptized and other parents were also unhappy about this practice, I would get together with other parents and find a very good attorney.
Many churches may do the same thing to increase their membership rolls. So eventually perhaps one lawsuit could grow into a class action suit against such practices.
I can dream, can't I? And maybe someday also, if we make it as a species, we will have taken some leaps of consciousness that will not require, but will also eschew, forced baptisms at Carnivals.
Perhaps those changes of consciousness will come when we have had enough baptisms by fire.
There couldn't be a species better than homo sapien sapiens at the level we're at to create both Hell and Heaven on this incredible gift of a planet.
peace, cm
Sad that they have to resort to indoctrinating the young, rather then encouraging them to explore things for themselves. Maybe they're not 'Joe Camel,' but the principle is the same.
Myself, I discuss with mine that we were created by Creator & live upon Creator's earth with all the other people of Creator's creation, the critters, & all other life forms of Creator's creation.
I discuss with them that there are stories of Jesus living with Tribes long before the Europeans arrived, that Wovoca stated Jesus visited him from the Kingdom, www.wovoca.com, meaning Jesus did a little interdimentional travel that day, & that in the Mormon's book they say Jesus lived with Tribes.
I discuss with them they don't have to join or be converted to anyone's Religion, that Creator created us not some religion. They don't have to join anyone's political party as Creator created us not some political party. That we were created by Creator, not America or any other Nation.
To try to treat all people right regardless of past history, or if people have not treated them right in their lifetime already, but to forgive them, & move on. To love their friends & to love their enemies.
That this is a strange world & we are just passing through this world as Jesus said his Kingdom is not of the world of man, this world. To remember the way of the circle & to help people in the ways they are able.
I discuss with mine our Native prophecies, the prophecies of the Israelites, and the prophecies of many other peoples as well as many concepts of many peoples upon the earth.
Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
Woohoo! Bee sting immunity. Why didn't someone tell me that? I'd convert back to Christianity.
Step 1: Baptism. Step 2: ???? Step 3: profits.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
I'm pretty sure that even by Christian standards, involuntary surprise baptism wouldn't work. Don't you have to telepathically inform the holy spirit of your earnest desire for Jesus-infusion for the rite to be complete? And isn't the free choice of Jesus over sin the crux of the matter? The water is just a symbol; these Christians, it seems, can't even be bothered to read or interpret their own book.
Unless, of course, like with colonial missionaries, the only real goal is raw numbers. Couldn't be that, right?
And why do people find it so hard to believe that I have been subjected to gang stalking torture by right wing religiuos lunatics for 2.6 years.
These people are crazy stalkers, hiding in communty watch groups and behind fish symbols and crucifixes.
Acting as judge , jurry , and executioners they tried to kill me by trying to drive me crazy.
This sick bunch of self righteous freaks are extremely dangerous.
They have left a huge paper trail , some one had to pay them and their expenses, and sooner or later my story will be national news.
By the way, I know they read my posts.
Exactly. Well stated, wanderungpanzer. This is the difference between baptism and a cold bath.