It with interest I note and Israeli Professor recently suggested in a speech that Israel has a number of Cities in Europe targetted with Nuclear weapons and that if Israel ever "went down" she would take the rest of the world with them.

He went on to indicate that Greater Israel should be cleansed of Palestinians and Arabs using as a vehicle for such actions the impressment upon the EU, the USA and other states that Israel was "Too dangerous" to cross.

Were this some Muslim Professor suggesting Israel be destroyed, the news would be spread world wide by the ADLS and Aipacs as proof of the barbarity of Muslims.

This is not limited to Professors. A Number of Israeli Politicians have referred to the Samson option when discussing this.

So if a Muslim proclaimed that all Jews in Palestine should be cleansed and forcibly sent elsewhere or eliminated and that if any nation intervened to stop such the Muslims should use suitcase nukes on their cities and take the world down with them, would he be deemed a terrorist ?

What it says about his character and the reason I did not vote for him is that he believes that his "God" is the god, and he shares that "God" with his Israeli allies. With this belief comes some pretty horrific idealism about the nature of "Gods" people and the prophecies guiding Zionist believers and supporters, shining light on President Obama's pro-Israeli position. It is indeed time to put away childish things. We have long past moved beyond ancient prophecies that we will be saved, we the chosen people of "God" This entitlement mania has it's apex in the slaughter of thousands to be in material possession of an imaginary land of "God" When belief in such an unrealistic and childish higher power takes a back seat to our accumulated wisdom, we will indeed see a new day rising. For some of us that day has arrived, but if guided by their example of leadership, it has not arrived for our chosen leaders. They are still caught up in the idea of putting away childish things, the hope of all nations.

What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)

Leea

Greetings from xglampf and rglorpf who watch the Earth from afar. We have been alarmed by a recent post on your excellent blog suggesting that Israel's micromanaging Deity might be reconsidering the location of the Promised Land. Whether it is the case that the neighbors of these chosen ones, wherever they may be, are simply bedeviled by jealousy or moved by some inner madness to strike out at these gentle and obviously superior beings, or that they are not in fact superior beings but rather a pack of self-inflated, quarrelsome misfits, nevertheless the wish to move them far away from their fellow hominids is understandable. It has been suggested that they might be happier with their own planetary body, such as the moon. Their marvelous God would of course cause water to spring forth from the pumice, which would soon be teeming with gefilte fisch and other tasty stuff, and they would never again be required to share space with questionable or unclean people.

rglorpf and I are opposed to this idea, so we are just letting you know. You've been dumping your refuse in space for too long already. Deal with it yourselves. Anyone who tries to park them up here is asking for a big fat death ray.

What if Israel Were in Your Neighborhood?

They would be building a wall on my property and shooting my kids when they throw rocks.

Repeal UNGA Resolution 181. Only a ONE STATE solution can ever stop this eternal turmoil.

Maybe Muammar Qaddafi isn't as crasy as we were told....

And the fucking zionist want every Jew sent to Israel.

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will
assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall
induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will
assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and
oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends". (From his
Diary, Part I, pp. 16) - Theo Herzl

The world must stand up to the beast of zionism/nazism/fascism.

Sophie Scholl-The Final Days

Somebody has GOT to start talking and listening instead of shooting!

Oppressed people fight back. The greater the oppression, the harder they fight. The longer this goes on, the less trust there is.

There are NGO's that are trying to bring Israelis and Palestinians together, such as the Creativity for Peace program, which brings adolescents from Palestine and Israel to Santa Fe each summer for a two-week program to promote peace. There is another man who reaches out to children on both sides through music. This sort of program works. The children learn that they are children, with similar needs and interests. They become friends. Then they go home to hatred, bombs, starvation, propaganda, and it all starts over again.

The ones trying to promote peace are doing it on a shoestring. Those who promote war get many billions a year! Can't we, once the "can do" nation divert at least a little of these vast sums from death dealing to life giving? That could solve the problem.

I note with some interest that the author, and none of those who weigh in, have not the slightest word to say about the USA, the likely instigator and accomplice of almost everything the Israelis do.

A hundred to one, they say in chorus, or more? How many innocent Iragis have died and how many Americans?

The latest estimate from Just Foreign Policy is more than one million, three hundred thousand Iraqis to perhaps four thousand Americans, many of whom seem to have died in traffic accidents and the like rather than slain by hostile fire.

"Proportional?"

Israel is, in fact, a piker at slaughter by comparison to her US masters, and has been the US stalking horse in the Middle East since its founding, used as a surrogate for the projection of US power into the region, caused in part through US desire to control an oil resource, but also by US evangelical fervour to ensure a hospitable "landing ground" for the Second Coming, which requires Jewish control of the entirety of Palestine, the razing of the Muslim structures on Temple Mount, the a rebuilt Temple.

Where do you think the money and political support comes from? The "International Jewish Conspiracy" so beloved of many of the haters, or the tens of millions of Christian Millenialists? This conflict, like so many around the world, is part of a global system of aggressive Realpolitik funded and supported by a major world power, not the blusterings of a pipsqueak country with little or no natural resources *other* than external support.

It's in US interests to have perpetual terrorists held ready in the wings, and Hamas furnishes a convenient example. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find US money behind them as well, firing by proxy their Gunpowder Plots to justify a few more millions dead somewhere else in the world.

Lioness

Warning label should read: Having Israel in your neighborhood can be hazardous to your survival.

Could the Israelis possibly be stupid enough to believe they have helped their situation?

Then we would stop giving them billions in taxpayer money to Israel and find it easier to seperate the moderate and secular folks from the militant and zionist troublemakers.

Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota

If Israel were in my neighborhood, my family and I would have been kicked out of our house, told that we could live in our garden shed without access to food and medical care, and when we tried to get back into our house we would be accused of being terrorists and would be shot.

Russel forgot about a few other things.

If Israel was in your neighborhood:

It would declare that your home and property is theirs now, and force you out to live in a tent in a unbuildable lot or steep hillside.

it would install checkpoints on your street and routinely stop it's neighbors from getting to their jobs or even medical care.

It would patrol and occasionally shoot to death any neighborhood children who didn't do what it said.

---USAn---

"What does it say about Obama's character that he sides with the Israeli slaughter machine against those that it slaughters?"

This seems to me to be a red herring. Far more important than Obama's lip-service support for the Israelis is the fact that the Gaza incursion ended just when Obama took office. What does this say about the change that has come to Washington?

This article really doesn't offer anything new...anyone remember "A Hundred Eyes For an Eye" about a month back?

Dafoe
To the opening question in the title if they were in my neighborhood they should not have any reason to feel threatened and so behave atrociously. As to Obama's character I'll take him warts and all. Instant answers and solutions are not forthcoming and not in the middle east. Pulling the President down won't bring peace to the middle east, it might make Russell feel better but it is counterproductive. Write the WH etc. To take to the airwaves with this is bound to build the walls higher.

I would FLEE the neighborhood ... I do not want to be near, associate with war criminals, genocidal warriors, ethnic cleansing monsters ..... they are bad for my health and my spiritual well being.

To the writer of: "but ask yourself, if you lived in a city where rockets were being launched on a daily basis, what would you want your government to do?" WTF? Israel - with U.S. money and backing - has committed genocide/ethnic cleansing - TERRORISM - against the Palestinians since the 1940's. Palestinians have the MORAL RIGHT to use white phospherous - or however you spell it - to get rid of the Israel occupiers. Hell, if I had a personal nuclear device and were a Palestinaian I would use it. Rockets? Rockets? oh my god. how dare they try to defend themselves. Israel does not have a right to exist and has never had the right to exist. Never. never did. never will.

If Israel is in your neighborhood, and you don't have an army, navy, or air force, you have to be pretty stupid to act as a proxy for a distant country and fire its rockets into Israel. You also have to be pretty stupid to encourage your children to throw stones at eighteen year-old soldiers armed with tanks and repeating rifles.

BTW, the principle of proportionality is clearly formulated in the third paragraph of Article 5 of the Treaty establishing the European Community as follows: "Any action by the Community shall not go beyond what is necessary to achieve the objectives of this Treaty."
Israel did what was proportionate to make Hamas stop firing rockets (and to think carefully before firing rockets the next time rather than declaring "victory").

Did hundreds of innocent women and children die? Yes. Was Israel's behavior barbaric? Yes. But, ask yourself what Israel's proportionate response might be to get Hamas to give up its aim of exterminating every Israeli? They haven't done that yet.

Your move.

President Obama obviously is not the one chosen to confront the Israeli government for their violent behavior towards the Palestinians. Hopefully, soon a capable individual or group will address the Israelis for all of the pain and suffering they cause and subject the rest of the civilized world to endure. Somehow the US government does not have the power to stop the Israelis. They take from us our war machines, and money as they please. What is this power they have over us? Answer that and perhaps we can begin to strike back.