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When Israel Expelled Palestinians: What if it was San Diego and Tijuana Instead?
In the wake of Israel's invasion of Gaza, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak made this analogy: "Think about what would happen if for seven years rockets had been fired at San Diego, California from Tijuana, Mexico."
Within hours scores of American pundits and politicians had mimicked Barak's comparisons almost verbatim. In fact, in this very paper on January 9 House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor ended an opinion piece by saying "America would never sit still if terrorists were lobbing missiles across our border into Texas or Montana." But let's see if our political and pundit class can parrot this analogy.
Think about what would happen if San Diego expelled most of its Hispanic, African American, Asian American, and Native American population, about 48 percent of the total, and forcibly relocated them to Tijuana? Not just immigrants, but even those who have lived in this country for many generations. Not just the unemployed or the criminals or the America haters, but the school teachers, the small business owners, the soldiers, even the baseball players.
What if we established government and faith-based agencies to help move white people into their former homes? And what if we razed hundreds of their homes in rural areas and, with the aid of charitable donations from people in the United States and abroad, planted forests on their former towns, creating nature preserves for whites to enjoy? Sounds pretty awful, huh? I may be called anti-Semitic for speaking this truth. Well, I'm Jewish and the scenario above is what many prominent Israeli scholars say happened when Israel expelled Palestinians from southern Israel and forced them into Gaza. But this analogy is just getting started.
What if the United Nations kept San Diego's discarded minorities in crowded, festering camps in Tijuana for 19 years? Then, the United States invaded Mexico, occupied Tijuana and began to build large housing developments in Tijuana where only whites could live.
And what if the United States built a network of highways connecting American citizens of Tijuana to the United States? And checkpoints, not just between Mexico and the United States but also around every neighborhood of Tijuana? What if we required every Tijuana resident, refugee or native, to show an ID card to the U.S. military on demand? What if thousands of Tijuana residents lost their homes, their jobs, their businesses, their children, their sense of self worth to this occupation? Would you be surprised to hear of a protest movement in Tijuana that sometimes became violent and hateful? Okay, now for the unbelievable part.
Think about what would happen if, after expelling all of the minorities from San Diego to Tijuana and subjecting them to 40 years of brutal military occupation, we just left Tijuana, removing all the white settlers and the soldiers? Only instead of giving them their freedom, we built a 20-foot tall electrified wall around Tijuana? Not just on the sides bordering San Diego, but on all the Mexico crossings as well. What if we set up 50-foot high watchtowers with machine gun batteries, and told them that if they stood within 100 yards of this wall we would shoot them dead on sight? And four out of every five days we kept every single one of those border crossings closed, not even allowing food, clothing, or medicine to arrive. And we patrolled their air space with our state-of-the-art fighter jets but didn't allow them so much as a crop duster. And we patrolled their waters with destroyers and submarines, but didn't even allow them to fish.
Would you be at all surprised to hear that these resistance groups in Tijuana, even after having been "freed" from their occupation but starved half to death, kept on firing rockets at the United States? Probably not. But you may be surprised to learn that the majority of people in Tijuana never picked up a rocket, or a gun, or a weapon of any kind.
The majority, instead, supported against all hope negotiations toward a peaceful solution that would provide security, freedom and equal rights to both people in two independent states living side by side as neighbors. This is the sound analogy to Israel's military onslaught in Gaza today. Maybe some day soon, common sense will prevail and no corpus of misleading analogies abut Tijuana or the crazy guy across the hall who wants to murder your daughter will be able to obscure the truth. And at that moment, in a country whose people shouted We Shall Overcome, Ich bin ein Berliner, End Apartheid, Free Tibet and Save Darfur, we will all join together and shout "Free Gaza. Free Palestine." And because we are Americans, the world will take notice and they will be free, and perhaps peace will prevail for all the residents of the Holy Land.
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Show AllThe example of San Diego and Tijuana is wrong and plays into the lie that this is a "war" between "countries. It is more like the Warsaw Ghetto uprising or Wounded Knee. Gaza is a locked down prison constantly under attack and now, like the Germans running the Warsaw Ghetto, Israel has decided that it's liquidation time.
The Jaded Prole
Jews For Justice on the 1948 Expulsion:
http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/statehood.html
The analogy may not be perfect, but the injustice and inhumanity it describes is correct. What else does a person need to know?
This seems a very good analogy to me. One sided of course, but thats to be expected.
Jaded Prole
If your comparison to the Warsaw Ghetto is correct then there will be no living Palestinian left within Gaza at the end. Lets hope you are wrong.
"Think about what would happen if San Diego expelled most of its Hispanic, African American, Asian American, and Native American population, about 48 percent of the total, and forcibly relocated them to Tijuana?"
If only this lie was true, but like Herr Goebbells ( the Nazi propaganda minister) said just say it over and over again and the idiots out here will believe it, and so you all do. The truth is much much more complex indeed. Most of the people that fled in May 1948 did so on the urging of the Mufti of Jerusalem the Pal leader of the day. ( An avowed Muslim Nazi who spent the War in Berlin with his best buddy A. Hitler). He told his following to flee their homes taking nothing because after the Arab armies killed all the Jews they could return in a few days and not only have their own homes but also take the homes, land and possessions of the now defeated and dead Jews. Oh well as the bard or someone said the best laid plans etc et al. So things went awry and these poor folks found themselves now the defeated and self-exiled losers in a War their neighbors started and WE finished. That's how the great majority of the refugees ended up in the surrounding countries. It's a lie that Israel was established and then drove all these folks out. The ones that fought against us , not that many were driven out as bad neighbors and enemies but that was a small minority. The others like the snakes they were abandoned their neighbors and then waited to consume their lives. I have NO sympathy for them or their progeny nor does any Israeli today want them to be given the right of return. Why should we allow our enemies children raised on hatred and vicious lies be allowed to return? No country will willingly commit such suicide. So you all can just forget your little dreams of one Palestine under the flag of Hamas or anyone else. Not happening!
The reality is this whether u all like it or not, Israel isn't going away so wake up and smell the tear gas folks. If you want some of the land then sit down and get real, If you want to just keep going with the crazy ideas I hear day and night on Arab radio, TV in print and in here, then we have nothing to discuss.
"It's a lie that Israel was established and then drove all these folks out."
I don't recall anyone here claiming that.
One thing I have noticed with these israeli-apologists (and there are only a few, as they keep changing their login-ID) is that every post is an ad hominen attack on those supporting the oppressed in Gaza. Inevitably they attack the intelligence of CD readers and authors. Often they resort to threats of violence.
Like a cornered animal, they are trapped by their own ideologies, knowing them to be intrinsically wrong, and are frustrated with the spin-meisters who have failed them.
israeli is a Troll. They are easy to spot, easier to ignore.
I have scene plenty of Pro-Palestinian writers on CD advocate violence as well.
For you to write off every opinion that differs from your own as an ad hominen is dangerous. Nobody is always right, you are not alway right and i'm sure i have opinions that are wrong, if we all ignored others opinions then we as a society would cease to evolve.
If you cannot address his rebuttal with a rebuttal of your own then you are giving legitimacy to his arguments. To just belittle his character will only show your character's shortcomings.
Steelgray the problem with your argument is that you are barking up the wrong tree. The MSM is in lockstep with your opinion so why do you bother going over to the CD site and expect everyone to have the same opinion as the MSM? That's silly. Common Dreams is a sanctuary for those that have been alienated by the MSM and are longing for alternative perspectives on the state of the world. You and your fellow traveler trolls' sociopathic views really don't contribute to anything positive. You justify the murder of people who are not like you and then you call them anti-Semites for not towing your line. You are souless.
I didn't know that CD required a pledge of allegiance to join the discussion. I thought i was at a progressive website...progressive being that it's open to all forms of opinions.
I guess this website is no different than Foxnews-'agree with what i have to say or go away.'
By the way, i never accused you of being anti-Semitic. I don't make wild assumptions about people.
I remember you, steelgray from a couple weeks ago.
Anyway, i think we should look from a larger perspective at what goes on in this world, and truly 'see'. No one has the right to do to Gaza what israel is doing. It is just wrong. Realpolitic means nothing except an excuse for brutality and really there are no loopholes in universal law.
To me, israel doesn't look to be any kind of 'promised land'. The dream of going 'home' is a metaphor--a state of mind and heart. A war machine fortress is what israel has become. This does not honor anything or anybody. Really, it makes a mockery of those who did suffer persecution and more.
It is pure survivalism. This may be acceptable to many in our world. But i know human beings can do better. I ask this question, even to atheists: "Do you really believe that God would create a world in which human beings need to break God's own law in order to survive?"
"No problem can be solved by the consciousness that created it" Einstien of course. There is always a creative solution, but it means evolving. Once we accept barbarism, be it done with stones or with highest of high tech, we are primitives. Israel behaves as a cult. It is so insular that it doesn't realize it is bombing itself back to the stone age.
Hamurabi's code was an evolutionary step in western history how long ago? So, Israel has taken a few thousand years backward. The overuse and even, from my point of view, worship of the military is quite idolotrous to say the least. And of course, the same is true in the u.s.
Actually, this post is for everyone here...And steelgray, i didn't see anything wrong at all with what you've written right here. I agree that we need to be civilized with each other.
I thank you for remembering me readytotransform i recall we had a short little conversaton.
The Middle East is surly a mess, has been for over 100 years. I hope i have been able to express my position clearly. Israel has made terrible moves with the land grabs, the barrier is blantant land grabbing. I also don't like the nature of the block aid, i understand the need for Israel to monitor for the purpose of halting the flow of weapons but the block aid has taken a more drastic measure and it is a form of collective punishment. It is wrong. The check points are horrible as well but they are there to stop suicide bombers and if it the question comes down to to either maintaining them and stopping bombers or removing them and thus seeing a return to bombers then i must go with the previous.
I am not Jews so i naturally don't believe that Israel is Gods destined home for Jews. I do also agree that Israel has been in survivor mode since it's inception although i don't believe that is inherently their own fault. It is a shame that people commit acts of violence in the name of God, i don't believe the 9/11 hijackers were acting in Gods name when they flew a plane into a building. They may have thought it was Gods work they were doing but i do not believe in such a god. Like wise the Catholic Church has massacred many people in Gods name but i cannot believe that God wants his children to kill the innocent or the guilty in his name.
I'm not sure i agree with describing Israel as a cult for it is in fact becoming more secular with each passing year. Remember also that not every defender of Israel is a believer in the Jewish faith-Sharon was a non practicing Jew. I think that Israel has definitely overreacted to Hamas's actions. They did so out of the human desire for vengeance. Hamas had been poking them with sticks and Israel finally had enough and swung at them with a hammer...a very big hammer.
When i defend Israel it isn't b/c i believe they to be perfectly innocent but rather i see instigation on the part of Hamas that is mostly ignored by people. The IDF is surely no saint, what army is, but their intent is to protect the civilians of Israel and that is a aspiration i must agree with. I'll concede that Hamas is working to help the plight of Palestinians as well but i think they have gone about it in a most unproductive way.
steel gray,
When i said israel is a cult, i mean it not necessarily in a religious way. I am actually saying that they behave as though they are in a bubble and the rest of the world be damned. It is a closed system of thinking and it is all focused on survivalism. All ethics and morality are out the window. It is group-think. That is what i meant.
Well to that end i would have to agree. Sadly.
I think they've come to this thinking, this survivalism at all cost, because they have, as a people, been subjected to such cruelty in the past short history. I don't mean to excuse them now but even you must grant that they have had a rough time...and yes some of it was their own doing.
I think most people throw ethics and morality out the window as soon as they are threatened. A couple years ago a few people in a life raft resorted to cannibalisms to stay alive...and they didn't wait till the person died to start eating him. I think you'd be frightened to know how many of us would become beasts if pushed enough.
To expand on your remark about nations being cults, would you agree that many nations would fit this description? Russia most certainly would and i guess the US as well.
Certainly in times of war nations will do whatever it takes to win. The US bombed Japan with atomic weapons to make then surrender. I've said before that in a way it can be argued that using atomic weapons saved lives for an invasion would have been far more deadly for all sides but it is still hard to except that the only nation to us such weapons is my home. We are all a cult sometimes i guess.
steelgray, I would agree that nations often do operate as cults. Definitely. Especially in times of war. Because it is about survivalism on the deepest levels.
Now, here is how i see it. We can indeed do better than we have. Fear is the most pervasive of human emotions. Because it is fear of not surviving. And that is wired in. The need to survive, yes. However, we are going to need, as a global humanity, to come to the realization that no one survives by detroying another, because what you do to another you do to yourself.
This isn't pie in the sky idealism, it is just wired up that way. It is a natural law. Look at the world. Warring more than ever. Because no one has learned. Of course this will work against israel. They pretend that they are exempt from natural law, but they will find they are not. Such wanton destruction goes beyond self defense by any standard. No destruction is ever warranted, however. There is always a creative solution.
However, i believe we are witnessing something here that is a major lesson for the world. We need to outgrow the victim/victimizer script that humanity has been playing out for thousands of years. It is just too primitive of a consciousness for the level of our technology. It is obvious that the state of israel is no kind of redemption, or gift from God. That is how it is spun, but it is more of a fundamentalist christian thought, really, than a jewish one. It may be an unconscious rationalization however, for "where was God in the holocaust?" Israel has substituted weapons for belief in anything or anyone.
They feel powerless, no matter how much they militarize, because it is psychological and not reality. Their own mythology has made them crazy, really. I think the holocaust has become the jewish crucifixion story, you see. Israel, i think, is seen on some level as the resurrection. I believe it was olmert who said as much a couple years ago at the newest holocaust museum. And don't even get me started on that subject!
peace.
" We need to outgrow the victim/victimizer script that humanity has been playing out for thousands of years" And perfected by the Marxists.
AMEN!
Victimology is only useful to folks that have nothing to contribute or need it for a living.
steelgrey, please read my post.
I stated that the ad hominen attacks are often insults to the opposing view's intelligence; to wit:
"Even idiots know that...."
"Your stupidity demonstrates...."
"Obviously the meaning of 'unilaterally' mystifies you because of your lack of knowledge"
"A limited mind like yours does not even understand numbers"
"Your mindset is deranged"
"My little Hamas boy..."
"Your functional illiteracy alone is not interesting enough for me to continue the discussion"
"Thanks for the proofs of your shortcomings."
"It is clear that you are a religious fanatic who supports barbarians"
And this is just what I have received in 3 days from one of these trolls.
I enjoy dissent, and especially a good discussion with the well-informed who are armed with verifiable facts and statements. If you read my posts, you may see that I do try to stay objective (though I do fail sometimes, mea culpa), and I ALWAYS post links to support data that I may be quoting or drawing upon.
WTF
Darn sir...I didn't know you were the devil! I liked "My little Hamas boy..." best.
This is exactly the stuff we do not need......thanks for putting it up.
I am sorry people have resorted to insults and worse in their comments towards you. There is no room in civil discourse for such. You can take satisfaction in they resort to such b/c they haven't the ability to debate you though. That's how i get over the insults i am tarred with. I will say however that you ought not use the term 'troll' to describe them otherwise you risk being mistaken for they type of person you yourself have described...
I am no Israel apologist. I will not ignore Israel's crimes but neither will i sit silently while people on these boards call for Israel's destruction...and yes that has been said by several people. I do know that there are several of what you call Israeli apologist on this site and i hope you'll also concede that several Hamas apologist are here as well. I'm trying to get beyond the mere write/wrong, good guy/bad guy debate for that leads us nowhere. I want to help form a rational discussion on how to solve the violence. The people here that just want to see their respective side 'win' are never going to solve anything.
You have nothing to discuss anyway. Anyone who continues to support the barbaric invasion of Gaza should see a shrink. Israel has become a failed state. When the U.S. teat that has reared Israel dries up, what then? Do not mistake Israels strength for its' own. It would not, nor will not, exist when forced to support itself. What then? If Israel is so tough, why do they accept money and military support from the U.S.? Go it alone and see how many weeks Israel could exist. I believe the tough talk would quickly cease.
Wayout, I agree with you that the US teat is what keeps Israel going, and they wouldn't be so brave if they didn't have the support of the largest military in the history of the world, but if US support ended tomorrow what's to keep the brave soldiers and citizens of Israel from nuking all of its neighbors?
Are you pro-Israelis so insecure that you have to browbeat people on an alternative like Common Dreams? It's obvious you want a one state solution (Israel uber alles).
We have our State we don't need to want it. No we don't want a one-state with people like Hamas. Israel already has 20% of it's present pop. Arab/Muslim. Show me a Arab/Muslim state with 5 Jews left? The ethnic cleansing is the other way around. After May 1948 the Muslim world drove it's millions of Jews out and STOLE their property. Look it up. The reason why this is projected on to us is The Muslim mostly Arab world knows it true and tries to hide it.
Are you that ignorant that you have to be shown, or are you just playing dumb? Iran has a sizable Jewish population.
USLabor wrote:
Iran has a sizable Jewish population.
COMMENT:
Quite true. Also Baghdad had a Jewish neighborhood that lived quite peacefully among the Shites, Sunni, and Christians before the US got there.
There were also many Jews living in Palestine, also peacefully and unmolested by the Arab population prior to the Jewish take over. But living amongst the Arabs was not good enough for the European Jews like Begin, they wanted it all for themselves, so the terrorism began followed by the ethnic cleansing. So the murders and theft began - and continue.
You need to check your history regarding Palestine before Israel has formed. There were in fact several revolts that occurred before WWI. A notable incident occurred when Arab's attacked Jewish worshipers b/c they had constructed a cloth wall to separate the male and female worshipers at the wailing wall.
steelgray wrote:
There were in fact several revolts that occurred before WWI.
COMMENT:
Historically, there were also Zionist attacks against Arabs prior to WWI, after that there was comparative peace up until the Zionist terrorism against Brits and Arabs began in the thirties and got big time serious after WWII.
However, let's say the Jews and Muslims could never ever get along ever, not ever, never, no way in hell. Never.
Okay? Let's buy that for a moment.
Then that seems to me a damn good reason for Abraham and his tribe to have stayed in Mesopotamia, and Begin and his Zionist terrorist buddies to have stayed in Europe. But Begin and the boys like Abe and the boys, just had to go into Canaan, ancient and modern, slaughter a lot of people and steal their land.
And folks like you approve?
Are those who approve of murder for profit better than those who wield the sword and spill the blood of innocents? Or just cowardly and lazier?
And because of these, perhaps more despicable?
Excuse me, but the evidence has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jewish militia told the people to leave or die. You need to read the account posted a few days ago by an old Palestinian now living in CA who was 17 at the time the Jews killed part of his family and sent the rest into exile. The façade of the Palestinians leaving voluntarily is pure and utter BS.
The danger in accepting his account is that he may very well be a bit prejudiced or at 17 din't know what was really going on.
But you would buy the story of a jewish person if he was only 10 when whatever imagined atrocity happened to him??
Thomas More wrote:
The danger in accepting his account is that he may very well be a bit prejudiced or at 17 din't [sic] know what was really going on.
COMMENT:
Love your logic: if a teenager reports that some friends of mine raped her mom, I'll just write it off as her being "a bit prejudiced" or if she is 17, I'll just assume she really didn't know what was really going on.
Witnesses that tell stories we don't want to hear must be wrong, right?
You guys know exactly what I meant. Being obtuse won't wash.
Your analogies don't hold water.
That 10 year old has 11 million bodies backing up that story if thats what you were alluding to.
I'm surprised at you both.
Thomas More wrote:
You guys know exactly what I meant. Being obtuse won't wash.
Your analogies don't hold water.
That 10 year old has 11 million bodies backing up that story if thats what you were alluding to.
COMMENT:
There is nothing obtuse about either of the simple analogies.
Horrified's reply seems pretty straightforward as a question: would you believe the story of a child if it were someone on your side? i.e. Jewish?
My analogy is the same but as a statement: some people, such as Thomas More, are not inclined to believe the victim if the perpetrator is a friend of his.
The 11 million bodies backing up a child's story is pure hyperbole on your part, and an attempt to take the standard pass Zionists keep trying to take for their crimes by referring to another's crimes. Whether or not you wish others to accept the account of an eyewitness or not, has absolutely nothing to do with history, especially since the 11 million bodies you refer to has to be those killed in Europe by the Nazis.
Furthermore, the young man of seventeen is now "an old Palestinian," who can now look back with an adult's eyes and know very well "what was really going on." How could anyone possibly not know his family members were murdered? not know he was sent into exile? At age 70, 17, or 7? Unless you're senile you will remember horrific events of such import that occurred when you were seventeen very well. You wouldn't be able to forget them.
Fact: Nazi's murdered a lot of Jews (among others).
Fact: Zionists murdered a lot of Arabs and continue to do so.
Fact: No one can undo the Nazi murders, nor the Zionist murders of the past.
Fact: Someone, some many ones, could stop the killing of Arabs by Zionists that is going on now, such as the Zionists themselves, the Israeli citizens, the United States.
Fact, apparent: Thomas More will never accept facts he doesn't like.
Thomas More, your denial of Zionist atrocities is truly amazing.
It's been regarded that about half and half, half left because of the IDF and half left b/c of Palestinian demands.
Yes the truth is very complex indeed. But underneath it all, providing the foundation for all Zionist claims, is the firm belief that they are entitled to that land BY GOD. That is your main claim to that land. The other one is 2000 yrs old. The rest of the world, and the Palestinians, are just supposed to accept that "claim."
As for your claim that the Zionists were innocent of ethnic cleansing, that is a lie. I have read many quotes from the Zionist leaders who helped establish Israel that explicitly support the expulsions of the Palestinians - by any means necessary. Other than the fact that they wanted the "promised land" for the Jews, they knew a democratic Jewish state could not exist unless the population was majority Jewish.
The enemies of modern Israel are creations of it's own making. It boggles the mind to think that modern Zionists are surprised when the people of the land they established their exclusive state in by mass emigration and force are surprised when that people act with alarm and then react violently.
The Zionists had a chance at peace and a homeland if they had just been inclusive and worked with the existing population to establish a single Israeli/Palestinian state. But such a solution is impossible to consider for Zionist nationalists. It is the only solution and Israel will never be safe as long as the injustice of its existence continues.
Try reading Simha Flapan's "The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities". It counters many myths that people in Israel probably grow up believing in and it is based on thorough study of what was in the '80s recently declassified materials. An eye-opening read indeed.
The analogy has a few flaws,
It fails to mention that San Diego would have been in a state of civil war at the time of the forced relocation-Jerusalem has an open conflict between Arabs and Jews going on in the months preceding the formation of the Israeli State.
Everyone like to remark how Gaza is under constant attack but they never mention how Southern Israel is under constant attack from Hamas as well.
The description of Gaza as a prison is fairly accurate but you fail to mention why Israel has locked down the population of Gaza...The murderous suicide bombers sent by Fatah and then by Hamas are responsible for the borders being sealed, the coast being patrolled and the walls and check points being built. The wall in and of itself isn't a crime but the land grab that was also made with it definitively is a crime. The check points are terrible but they have stopped the suicide bombers so it's hard to fault them-isn't saving a life more important than inconveniencing a life?
Israel hasn't expelled all minorities so that remark is nothing more than a lie-20% of Israel is Arab.
a pen far mightier than any sword. thanks kindly for your words.
Liquidation time, indeed. Zionism has always mirrored the racist nazi policies of Hitler and his pals. Ever since Theodore Herzl, the guy who dreamed up the Jew state in the first place offered on behalf of the Zionist Cult, to do the dirty work for, firstly the Pasha, secondly, the Kaiser and finally to the Rothschilds, who bribed Britain's foreign minister Balfour to give them land in Palestine. They thanked the Brits by blowing up the King David Hotel, killing 95 British officers housed there, just as they thanked America by surrounding and murdering 34 defenseless boys on the USS Liberty, then wounding and crippling an additional 170 of our sailors in a false-flag attempt to kill them all, sink the ship and pin it on the Egyptians. Zionism is Nazism, pure and simple. There isn't enough perfume in all Christendom to cover up the malevolent stink of the back-stabbing turd of Zionism.
american peasant, you are quite the 'Christian crusader'.
All nationalism and tribalism are so over.
I hate to disagree, but I'd suggest that Nationalism is in full flower all over the world. Resurgent in almost every country.
Check trade it will verify it for you.
Thoma, i know it is actually in full bloom. But it is a throwback at this point.
I thought you actually knew it. And its going to get much, much stronger in my opinion. China isn't going back.
I would to share this short video of a Jewish British lawmaker's recent speech where he says that the Israeli military are acting just like the Nazi's did when they broke into his grandmother's home in Poland and shot her dead as she slept:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
Also, here is an example of the attitude some in the Israeli military have regarding Palestinian's in general. This is a sad, but short video of what happened a few years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJaPZLNLBu8
You can simply look at the maps of Palestine prior to it becoming the "State of Israel" (via U.N. (U.S./Great Britain) new map drawing), and see that there has been a systematic land grab plan being executed by the Israeli's for years:
http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/Martini/read/1082/the-shrinking-map-of-palestine
Israel has so much control over the United States Congress and the various administrations that literally a few days ago Bush stopped in the middle of a speech to take a phone call from Olmert, as Olmert was DEMANDING that he speak to Bush about a U.N. vote:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/13/america/13olmert.php
And here's why Israel/AIPAC has such a stranglehold on our Congress:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/530.html
Only 5 brave members voted against what Israel is doing in Gaza, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Maxine Waters being three of them.
And last, but not least, we have Jon Stewart weighing in on the situation with this:
http://www.thankyoujonstewart.com/
I believe, according to what I've been reading, that practically the entire world is against the United States and Israel on what Israel is doing.
I am eagerly awaiting what President Obama's (and Clinton's) position will be on what I consider to be Israel's current war crimes.
I don't normally say this to people but i your case i just can't resist...
YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
I also don't normally say this to people but in your case I couldn't resist...YOU'RE THE REAL IDIOT.
How original...
Did you bother to look up her previous comments link? It was a town hall meeting where a rabbi was speaking about the need for a Eruv in some small Florida town. How is that an example of Jewish Hemogony?
You can come up with all the analogies you like. Israel doesn't care. The U.S. doesn't care.
The two of them are in cahoots. They have big plans for the Middle East. Their plans don't include a Palestinian State. But they probably include plans for a Greater Israel, one that might well include chunks of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. Their plans might also include erasing Iran.
The Evil Empire is on the march again. World domination is its goal despite its claim to be spreading 'freedom' and 'democracy'. What it's spreading is occupation and genocide!
Check out my blog for more insights:
www.dangerouscreation.com
Actually, Israel has a very permanent "State". The United States of Israel.
Scott Ritter wrote an article on this website regarding the control Israel has over the U.S. Congress etc. via AIPAC.
At the end of the article, Ritter said, "Why don't we just raise the Israeli flag here and call it a day?"
Indeed.
If you doubt the power Israel has over the United States, explain to me how the Orthodox Jews were able to place "ERUVS" all over W.D.C. and everywhere else in this country? Did you know there's an Eruv around the White House, the Congressional buildings and the Supreme Court?
If you want to REALLY know what's going on, just go to YouTube and search this: Westhampton Beach New York Eruv Meeting and you'll see what I mean.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFO45ATtvg
Pour yourself a stiff one and sit back for a little lesson in WTF is really goin' down here in the ol' US of A.
Alright i just watched all 11 of those video's and i must say you just wasted an hour and a half of my time.
The synagogue wanted an Eruv in the surrounding area..so what? In America we have the idea that a religious freedom is to be protected whenever possible. Notable exceptions are in cases that endanger the health or safety of people at large-like certain African religions that require animal sacrifice's must still abide by health safety standards.
If Orthodox Jews need a wire fence constructed a few blocks around their synagogue so they can worship in the manner that their faith requires then so be it.
Abbybwood needs a crash course in Constitutional Law!!
There is nothing wrong with accommodating a religions needs whenever possible.
I don't like the turrets found on Muslim Mosques but i would never think of denying a Muslim Mosque the right to built their house of worship in the manner that their religion requires.
IT'S CALLED TOLERANCE!! TRY IT SOMETIME...