Attack on Iran Off the Table?
On Sept. 23, the neo-conservative chiefs of the Washington Post's editorial page mourned, in a tone much like what one hears on the death of a close friend, that "a military strike by the United States or Israel [on Iran is not] likely in the coming months." One could almost hear a wistful sigh, as they complained that efforts to stop Iran's nuclear program has "slipped down Washington's list of priorities...as Iran races toward accumulating enough uranium for a bomb."
We are spared, this go-round, from "mushroom clouds." But racing to a bomb? Never mind that the 16 agencies of the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a formal National Intelligence Estimate last November that work on the nuclear weapons-related part of Iran's nuclear program was halted in mid-2003. And never mind that Thomas Fingar, National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell's deputy for national estimates, reiterated that judgment as recently as Sept. 4. Never mind that the Post's own Walter Pincus reported on Sept. 10 that Fingar added that Iran has not restarted its nuclear weapons work. Hey, the editorial fellows know best.
The good news is that the bottom line of the Sept. 23 editorial marks one of those rare occasions when the Post's opinion editors have managed to reach a correct conclusion on the Middle East. It is true that the likelihood of an Israeli or U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran has receded in recent months. The more interesting questions are (1) why? And (2) under what circumstances might such an attack become likely again?
The Post attributes the stepping back by Israel and the U.S. to "the financial crisis and the worsening violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan." These are two contributing factors but, in my judgment, not the most important ones. Not surprisingly, the Post and other charter members of the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) omit or play down factors they would prefer not to address.
Russia and Deterrence
More important than the bear market is the Russian Bear that, after a 17-year hibernation, has awakened with loud growls commensurate with Russia's growing strength and assertiveness. The catalyst was the fiasco in Georgia, in which the Russians saw the hands of the neo-cons in Washington and their Doppelganger of the extreme right in Israel.
You would hardly know it from FCM coverage, but the fiasco began when Georgian President Mikhail Sakashvili ordered his American- and Israeli-trained Georgian armed forces to launch an attack on the city of Tskhinvali, capital of South Ossetia, on the night of August 6-7, killing not only many civilians but a number of Russian observers as well.
It may be true that our State Department officials had counseled Shakashvili against baiting the Russian Bear, but it is abundantly clear to anyone paying attention to such things, that State is regularly undercut/overruled by White House functionaries like arch-neo-con Elliott F. Abrams (F. for Fiasco). His encomia include those earned for his key role in other major fiascos like the one that brought about the unconscionable situation today in Gaza. (Would that the president's father had let Abrams sit in jail, rather than pardoning him after he was convicted for perjuring himself in testimony to Congress on the Iran-Contra fiasco.)
In any event, it is almost certainly true that Russian Premier Vladimir Putin saw folks like Abrams, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their Israeli counterparts as being behind the attack on South Ossetia. For centuries the Russians have been concerned-call it paranoid-over threats coming from their soft southern underbelly, and their reaction could have come as no surprise to anyone familiar with Russian history-or, by analogy, those familiar with American history and the Monroe Doctrine, for example.
Even neo-con Randy Scheunemann, foreign policy adviser to Sen. John McCain and former lobbyist for Georgia's Sakashvili, would have known that. And this lends credence to speculation that that is precisely why Scheunemann is said to have egged on the Georgian president. Russia's reaction was totally predictable, and enabled McCain to "stand up to Russia" with very strong rhetoric and not-so-subtle suggestions that his foreign policy experience provides an important advantage over his opponent in meeting the growing danger of a resurgent Russia.
Russia's leaders are likely to have seen in Sakashvili's provocation, in the attempt to get NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine, in the deployment of antimissile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic, and in hasty U.S. recognition of an independent Kosovo, indignities that Russia should no longer tolerate.
I can visualize Russian generals telling Putin:
Enough! Look at the weakened Americans. They have destroyed what's left of their Army and Marine Corps, spreading them out and demoralizing them in two unwinnable wars. We know how bad it is with just one unwinnable war. It has not been that long since Afghanistan. But, Vladimir Vladimirovich, before we indulge ourselves with Schadenfreude, consider what such actions betoken-total recklessness of a kind we have seen only rarely in Washington.
Who can assure us that "the crazies"-the Cheney-Abrams-Bush cabal-will not encourage the Israelis to precipitate the kind of armed provocation vis-à-vis Iran that would "justify" America's springing to the defense of its "ally" to bomb and missile-attack Iran. You are aware of the importance of the Israel lobby, and how American politicians vie with one another to prove themselves the most passionately in love with Israel.
Periodic attempts by Congress to require President Bush to seek congressional approval before ordering a strike on Iran have failed miserably. So his hands are free for another "pre-emptive war" before he leaves office. After all, Bush has publicly promised the Israelis he will deal with the "Iranian threat" before then. Besides, our political analysts suggest that Bush and Cheney might think that wider war would help the Republicans in the November election
No big bear likes to have a nose tweaked. But the Russian reaction to Georgia was not merely one of pique. It became a well-planned strategic move to disabuse Israel and the United States of the notion that Russia would sit still for an attack on Iran, a very important country in Russia's general neighborhood. After Georgia, the Russians were bent on sweeping such plans "off the table," so to speak, and seem to have succeeded.
The signs of new Russian assertiveness are in the public domain, although the FCM has not given them much prominence. What is more telling is the effect on Israel and the United States. Since early August there has been a sharp decline in the formulaic rhetoric against Iran's "path toward nuclear weapons," especially among U.S. policy makers and in American media following the conflict in Georgia and the expiration of the latest "ultimatum" served on Iran to stop its nuclear program.
The change in official Israeli statements was the most pronounced. After a consistent hawkish stance toward Iran, Israel's president, Shimon Peres told London's Sunday Times in early September:
"There are two ways [to deal with Iran's nuclear threat]; a military and a civilian way. I don't believe in the military option-any kind of military option...an attack can trigger a bigger war."
And then came the bombshell from Ehud Olmert in his valedictory interview appearing in the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot on September 29. Olmert argued that Israel had lost its "sense of proportion" in believing it could deal with Iran militarily.
Not Russia Alone
It is a curious twist, but to their great credit our senior military officers, Admiral William Fallon, who quit rather than let himself be on the receiving end of an order to attack Iran, and Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, fought and continue to fight a rear-guard action against the dreams and plans of "the crazies" in the White House to attack Iran. Fallon famously declared that the U.S. military was not going to "do Iran on my watch" as commander of CENTCOM.
In addition to his outspoken opposition to opening a "third front" in the area of Iraq and Afghanistan, Mullen has done much behind the scenes to talk sense into the Israelis. From the Israeli press we know that Mullen went so far as to warn his Israeli counterparts not to even think about another incident like the one on June 8, 1967, when Israeli jets and torpedo boats deliberately did their utmost to sink the intelligence collector, USS Liberty, off the Sinai coast.
For Mullen a gutsy move. The Israelis know that Mullen knows that that attack was deliberate-not some sort of unfortunate mistake. Mullen could have raised no more neuralgic an issue in taking a shot across any Israeli bow that might be thinking of a provocation of some sort in the Persian Gulf.
Hats off to the new admirals...who outshine predecessor admirals who bowed to pressure from President Lyndon Johnson to portray the Israeli air and torpedo strikes on the USS Liberty, which took the lives of 34 U.S. sailors and wounded more than 170 others, as a mistake in the fog of war-despite unimpeachable evidence it was deliberate.
Hats off, too, to the grass roots movements that succeeded in quashing resolutions in both houses of Congress calling for the equivalent of a blockade of Iran. Several Members actually withdrew their earlier sponsorship of the resolution in the wake of public pressure. Many of them came to realize that facilitating a new war might make them vulnerable to charges of poor judgment-the kind of charges that sabotaged Sen. Hillary Clinton who, ironically, thought she had done the politically smart thing in voting to give the president authority to attack Iraq.
Not Completely Out of the Woods
There remain as many "crazies" among the Israeli leadership as there are here in Washington-crazies who continue to believe that Iran must be attacked while the going is good. And it will never be as good as it is with Bush and Cheney in the White House. If the Randy Scheunemanns of this world are capable of goading the likes of Sakashvili into irresponsible action, they can try to do the same with a wink and a nod to the crazies in Tel Aviv.
The fact that the McCain/Palin campaign seems to be in serious jeopardy provides still more incentive for recklessness. If, as all seem to agree, a terrorist event of some kind might give the edge to McCain, many could argue that the same result could be achieved by a wider war including Iran, requiring senior, seasoned leadership of one who has "worn the uniform."
And there is still more incentive for Bush and Cheney to look with favor on an attack on Iran...very personal incentive. It is a safe bet that if John McCain loses, Bush and Cheney and others will be plagued by various legal actions against them for the war crimes for which they are clearly responsible. Such would also be possible under a President McCain or Palin-but much less likely.
But attacking Iran would be crazy, you say. Not for nothing have many of the folks around Bush and Cheney been referred to as "the crazies" since the early Eighties. Some are still there; and they do things.
In April 2006, one of my Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) colleagues, in a conversation with Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, asked the general if he thought the U.S. or the U.S. cum Israel would attack Iran. Zinni shook his head vigorously, saying, "That would be crazy." Then he stopped and quickly added, but you are dealing with "the crazies."
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Show AllI'm wondering this: Fallon (from memory) has blathered belligerence in the past, endorsing grandiose U.S. military dominion over central asia. So why did he say, CentCom would not "do Iran on my watch"?
Could this be the reason: His JAG lawyers said it would be a war crime, and he couldn't find even one JAG to say it was OK. JAG lawyers must be consulted about the targets, under binding DoD doctrine, and only rogue U.S. military commanders would bomb Iran, if JAG lawyers say it's a crime.
GWBush, Cheney, and their entourage, they hate lawyers, because they fear them, the accountability lawyers threaten.
So I say, let's hand it to the lawyers -- anonymous, civil servant JAGs, every day Joes and Josephines -- to humiliate, humble, these gangsters, in public, in a U.S. Congressional hearing, after the election, while they still strut their offices. "Bombing Iran's IAEA safe-guarded nuclear facilities."
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It seems like almost everyone let Massud and his ridiculous diatribe deflect from the topic of the article - attacking Iran.
Congratulations Massud. Well done.
Now - the reason the Liberty was deliberately attacked by the ISraelis who KNEW it was a US intelligence vessel was to remove coverage of the taking of the Golan heights on that day by Israeli forces in direct conflict with US wishes for them not to take that step. Removing the US Liberty was necessary to hide the Golan operation until it was a fait accompli and the US could not apply pressure to pull back.
Massud (or Mossad) - the script you are obviously following has been proved to be flawed.
But I could be wrong !
Ok, a coherent counter arguement at long last. Please cite your sources.
How do the Israelis celebrate their highest holy days?
Jewish settlers disrupt Palestinian olive harvest
HEBRON, West Bank, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Jewish settlers punched and kicked two news photographers and a British woman helping Palestinians pick olives in a West Bank town on Saturday and Israeli police responded by stopping the harvest.
Remember Who
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought,” Albert Einstein said, “but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones”
Don’t blame your preacher if you don’t see the pearly gates
Don’t blame your rabbi, if God is a god of love.
Don’t blame your mullah if those 72 virgins don’t appear
Just march on
March on
So we can fight on again with sticks and stones
While our future President Obama won't completely end the current mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, at least not so fast, I seriously doubt he'll be aggressive enough to push for a war in Iran. We're at a time when oil is peaking out and oil prices will shoot up fast right after the election is over. We're at a time when the next Great Depression is crushing us all. We're even at a time when for the first time, our US foreign policies have become the BIGGEST failures since Vietnam but this time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush/Cheney were unable to push for a war with Iran and I fail to see how our future President Obama will even try. As a matter of fact, there are even plans to reduce the number of troops overseas because the public is finally becoming more aware of the fact that the war costs are ruining our lives more significantly. Giving obscenely high tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations at a time of war was the biggest crime in the past 8 years that will forever go down as a major scar in US history.
@ massud -- umn, there many who consider that the attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate, including people who were on the ship and people in the White House Admin who didn't believe the official Israli story.
Yes, you can punk Ray for stating the case as being so clear cut. But, "blows his cover" and especially "Jew hater" is not warranted here -- unless of course you are a troll, which I would like to doubt, but the thought does come to mind.
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Frank1569's scenarios are at least as plausible as 19 Arabs, mostly from our great ally Saudi Arabia, none of whom could pilot a Piper Cub, executing maneuvers at the controls of airliners that would be difficult for the finest fighter pilots at the controls of an F-18, successfully attacking WTC1, WTC2, and apparently by magic WTC7, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania where no wreckage was found but was said to be an impact point. The Pentagon maneuver was especially spectacular as the airliner made a diving 360 degree turn, and wound up at ground level, without actually touching the ground, in order to strike the Pentagon, leaving a round hole in the wall smaller in diameter than the diameter of the fuselage and no marks whatsoever on the outer walls where the wings would have impacted the building.
Actually, Frank's scenarios are much more plausible.
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If I were one of the "crazies," here's what would be on my table:
Right before the election, McCain is hospitalized for an undisclosed medical emergency. The GOPathologicals demand the election be "postponed" so they can field a new candidate. During said postponement, Cheny/Bush bomb Iran while Israel goes back after Syria. Said postponement becomes indefinite due to the declaration of a National Emergency.
Or... McCain "wins" (steals) the election. Just as "We The Dumbf**ks" freak out, Cheney/Bush bomb Iran while Israel goes after Syria. All us said dumbf**ks are branded anti-American during this time of World War Whatever. NORTHCOM troops are deployed to round up all those Pres elect McCain and VP Palin label Iran-terrorist sympathizers, anti-Semite Israel-haters, and anyone else on however many secret Terrorist Watch Lists exist. And, short on troops, a draft is started, but it's called Super Patriot Democracy Freedom Service.
Or not.
Massud, as usual your logic fails the test.
Why would Israel merely wish to disable an Egyptian Vessel in their waters when they were at war with Egypt at the time?
PK
Well, it wouldn't wish to do just that if it had the choice. In warfare to disable is equal to destroying. To wound severly is equal to killing, both take the opponent out of the equation. Israel simply had to focus its major air power against higher priority targets than an Egyptian vessel. My point was this.
The accusation that the attack was deliberate necessarily requires a motive. The motive that is put forth is that Israel, for some reason, knew that the ship was an American intelligence craft and wanted to SINK it to prevent it from gathering some form of information. Even for this theory to be plausible, Israel would have had to try to SINK, not simply cripple, the vessel. As Israel did not demonstrate a serious attempt to sink the liberty, the 'attack was deliberate' theory does not hold water.
The attack WAS deliberate. It was not an accident. You do not attack a vessel several times over by accident. Obviously if it was attacked there was a motive. Are you denying it was attacked at all?
The fact is they DID send multiple air strikes against the target. They also sent naval vesels against the target. This disputing your suggesting that they had higher priorities.
If they had higher priorities the vessel would not have been attacked.
Unless you claim that the crew of the Liberty were liars, multiple attacks were launched. Not just one or two. Sailors were machine gunned while getting into liferafts, again hardly a sign they only meant to disable an egyptian horse carrier.
I suggest the crew of the Liberty have a clearer understanding of what happened that day then YOU do and it conflicts with Israeli claims.
You seem to have no understanding of what a false flag attack is. I suggest you look into the Lavon affair and the bombing of the King David Hotel as starters, Describe to me what YOU think the motives were for disguising themselves as Arabs?
Why would Israelis disguise themselves as Arabs and attack british and American targets?
LOL! Of course the ship was attacked deliberately! The question is; did the Israeli's attack KNOWING it was an American vessel? The answer is no. And as for priorities, that was in regards to sending weapons capable of SINKING the ship. Yes, the israeli's deployed weapons against the Liberty. Simply not the kind that would sink the ship. Do you get it, finally?
What the survivors say is purely subjective opinion.
>>What the survivors say is purely subjective opinion.
That is YOUR opinion which is subjective opinion.
You claimed that Israel only meant to disable the vessel. I have demonstrated that this complete fabrication. You also suggested thta Israel had other priorities other then attacking an Egyptian horse carrier yet they still attacked an Egyptian horse carrier, not only with multiple air strikes, but by launcing some 5 torpedoes against it from three different Naval vessels.
Why did Israel think a Horse carrier was such a dire threat requiring such a commitment of forces?
Why do you think torpedoes will not sink a horse carrier? Torpedoes sunk the Hornet but are incapable of sinking a merchant vessel?
And again. Why would Israelis disguise themselves as Arabs to attack British and American targets in the Middle East, as they did during the Lavon Affair and as they did at the King David Hotel?
I do not see the logic in dispatching Multiple fighter aircraft, and multiple Naval vessel to attack a merchant vessel built to carry horses which was in a port several hundred miles away.
The "Official version" is absurd.
But then I also did not believe that Saddam Hussein had Nuclear weapons and UAVS ready to drop Anthrax and sarin on American cities.
Just "subjective opinion" mind you.
PK
The only thing you have demonstrated to be a fabrication is the charge that israel knew it was an American vessel and tried to sink it. As for the rest of your so-called 'rebuttal', you seem to have a distinct handi-cap in understanding abstract ideas. Clearly you weren't at the top of your Calc class.
I am getting so frustrated with how difficult it is to make you see that the charge of Israel intentionally and knowlingly attacking an American vessel is illogical and baseless. You're just like the 911-inside-job yahoos who start with a premise and try to construct evidence, as opposed to gathering evidence and formulating a theory.
You have yet to prove that Israel knew it was attacking an American vessel. As I mentioned earlier, if Israel would have known it was an American vessel and not an 'egyptian horse carrier' they would have brought the correct tools to sink it, no? As for the whole 'false flag' business, two unrelated historical events. The Lavon affair? Israel got busted and took a hit. Its historical record that it happened, but one does not rely on tactics that are proven to not work. And the Irgun bombing of the King David hotel? THEY TOOK CREDIT FOR THAT! A few of the terrorists dressed as Arabs for cover, not to put blame on the Arabs.
>>I am getting so frustrated with how difficult it is to make you see that the charge of Israel intentionally and knowlingly attacking an American vessel is illogical and baseless.
It is not illogical and it is not baseless. Why else would an American Admiral warn israel about repeating such an incident?
In a false flag attack Israel did not have to sink the Liberty. All they had to do was create death and destruction, then have it blamed on Egypt. The Liberty managed to identify attackers as israeli and get radio messages off to that effect.
Too many people in the chain of command were aware that the Liberty was being attacked by Israel.
The motto of the Mossad is " By way of deception" . You admit they were "caught" in the Lavon affair attempting such, then illogically conclude that because they were caught once, they would never do such an action again. If they had not been caught they would have proceeded to attack and kill Americans, contradicting the claim that Israel would never attack Americans.
I am quite happy that their apologists are becoming frustrated at the unwillingness of people to buy the "Israeli" version of events anymore.
They are about as trustworthy as the United States Government.
Impeach, now more than ever.
Sounds like what I wrote back in August, in
http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/the-us-attack-on-iran-may-be-off-the-table-for-good/
Nevertheless, I agree with Ray.
Dave
http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/
good analysis Ray. Thanks
Perhaps this thread will become a microcosm of the Middle East: a death match between biwee and massud! ;)
Not to worry, Obama will fix everything.
Obama bin Biden have signaled more than once that they're willing to kill brown people to advance the empire as much as Mad Kaine/Appalling have, so don't pout just yet, neocons.
Do you really think Obama will push it that far? He doesn't sound as aggressive as Bush/Cheney you know. If Bush/Cheney couldn't push for a war on Iran, it's hard to expect that Obama will even remotely try.
What a load of tripe. McGovern totally blows his cover with his 'USS Liberty' nonesense. There is certainly no 'impeachable evidence' that the attack was deliberate. Common sense does not compute with that theory either, least of all that Israel very much had the capability to sink that ship in a few seconds, and instead used weapons that would only disable it. Just another Jew hater, that's all one can say about Ray McGovern.
massud,
You sure got it perfectly wrong. Do some more reading on the subject. The attack was in fact deliberate. Just because you happen to be one of those stinking ***** (you know whatI mean), and just because the article is against the stinking Israel(and rightly so), you should not call Mr McGovern a you hater.
I thought the anti-Semitic factory was no longer in operation.
Israel did not knowlingly attack an American vessel.
.From your mouth to written on stone certainty..Go back to calling all who criticise Israel as antisemites. It better serves your particular politics.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
This is not Massud. This is Mossad.
Yes, of course - criticize the state of Israel, get called a "Jew hater". Classic. But it is getting kind of old...
You're full of it, Mossad. The Israeli air force pilots had positively identified it as an American ship, that is a FACT. YOU are the one spouting nonsense, and bringing in the predictable anti-semite label for anyone who criticizes your sacred idol, the State of Israel. Blasphemer!
.It was worth saying twice!
That execrable remark above about "jew haters" betrayed him from the first. I detest the policies of the State of Israel towards the Palestinians, towards their Arab neighbors, I believe they have escalated tensions in the Middle East for decades. Many in Israel feel as I do, many among the young certainly. Am I a "jew hater"? Well then, that would indicate self loathing on my part when all I feel is loathing for those who would play that ridiculous card.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
You're full of it. The Israeli air force pilots had positively identified it as an American ship, that is a FACT. YOU are the one spouting nonsense, and bringing in the predictable anti-semite label for anyone who criticizes your sacred idol, the State of Israel. Blasphemer!
Defamation goes beyond legitimate criticism.
There is STILL plenty of time left for the Khazar NeoCons to kill more people for Israel.