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The Problem Is Empire
Tom Hayden delivered these remarks to a gathering of activists at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. It appears as part of the Moral Compass series, focusing on the spoken word.
Let me tell you some of my story and lessons I have learned over these past five decades. I have always tried to improve my country, always trying from the places around me.
I was smart and ambitious and athletic, but something never felt right in my suburb, school and church. I felt more at home with the underdogs and misfits than with the authorities. I was Holden Caulfield in Catcher in the Rye against Alfred E. Newman at Mad magazine.
I editorialized against overcrowded classes in high school. I editorialized against racist fraternity discrimination at the university. I went to the Democratic Convention in 1960 and was moved by Martin Luther King and John Kennedy, and a new student movement.
I moved to Georgia, became a Freedom Rider, got beaten up for civil rights. I helped start a movement on campuses called Students for a Democratic Society that believed in what we called participatory democracy, the right of everyone to a voice in the decisions affecting their lives. We wanted to bring the spirit of the Southern movement to the North.
I left graduate school and became a community organizer in the slums of Newark for four years. During that time the US government, led by the Democratic Party, invaded Vietnam with hundreds of thousands of troops after promising not to. The draft started up, and I was classified IY, the category for potential troublemakers.
Watts blew up in 1965. My Newark neighborhood became an occupied war zone in 1967, and that was it for the war on poverty. I wanted to know who we were really fighting, so I went to North Vietnam in December 1965, my first trip outside America. I was shocked at the civilian destruction, and the brave resistance of a small nation of peasants. I came back and immediately lobbied for a negotiated withdrawal, and got nowhere.
Now I was living in two worlds, still knocking on doors in Newark and opposing a war that was ending the war on poverty I believed in. The contradictions becoming too much, I helped organize antiwar protests at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968. Nixon, the FBI and even Lyndon Johnson said we were part of an internationally funded communist conspiracy. I was still fighting against wrongdoing at home, while my father's generation thought we were pawns of an enemy abroad.
I went back to Berkeley set on organizing youth and student communities. I was yanked away to be indicted by the Nixon government for the street riots in Chicago. I spent about five years, including five straight months on trial, living under a cloud, until the courts threw out the case of the Chicago 8. I really didn't know if we were descending into a police state or not. During our trial, one defendant, Bobby Seale, was chained and gagged, and two Panthers working on his legal defense were shot with ninety police rounds while sleeping in their apartment.
I went back to mainstream antiwar work trying to defund the Indochina war, from 1972 until 1976. I supported George McGovern as a peace candidate, Vietnam veterans against the war like John Kerry, the Berrigan brothers' civil disobedience, and those who went underground to Canada. I didn't join them, but I thought the Weather Underground was completely predictable and understandable.
After the long radicalizing interruption of the war, I tried to combine community organizing and electoral politics. I served in the California legislature for eighteen years, once again returning to local and state issues. Based on the early vision of participatory democracy, and building on the progress towards political rights like voting, I helped build a statewide grass roots campaign for economic democracy, pressuring the great corporations to become accountable.
Some of the issues we worked on were these:
• Protecting the right to local rent control, which saved Santa Monica residents alone about $500 million over little more than a decade.
• Stopping a nuclear power plant in Sacramento by a democratic vote of the people.
• Stopping a Liquified Natural Gas terminal on Indian land in Santa Barbara.
• Empowering neighborhoods to bargain effectively with big developers. Saving the oldest building in LA from the wrecking ball.
• Saving salmon, stream beds, wetlands, deserts and redwood forests from the power of developers and special interests.
• Trying to replace the war on gangs, mass incarceration and unconstitutional police misconduct, with gang peace processes and employment opportunities, from LA to El Salvador.
• Involvement in over fifty political campaigns at local levels, including some of the earliest elections of feminists, gays and lesbians, renters, Asian-Americans and former '60s radicals.
• Getting Hollywood celebrities engaged in supporting political causes and candidates.
It was said by Washington consultants that we had the greatest grassroots organization in the national Democratic Party. But it was also the '80s, and Ronald Reagan was invading Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua, and placing nuclear missiles in Europe. My world of domestic issues became small and secondary again, like my days in Newark when Vietnam was escalating. And I noticed that our foreign policy interventions were creating a wave of new refugees who could be exploited either as cheap labor or scapegoated as my Irish ancestors were the century before.
And so it has gone. Even when the Soviet Union collapsed. Even when Bill Clinton was elected on the strategy of "it's the economy, stupid," we soon were bombing the Balkans, inventing new doctrines of humanitarian war and expanding NATO. By carving Kosovo out of the former Yugoslavia, we were creating an incentive for Georgia to invade South Ossetia--and try to reignite the cold war.
Then came 9/11, and a legitimate security crisis was transformed into the invasion of Iraq along with the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan and perhaps soon Iran. The neocons and hawks applauded and funded Israel's ill-considered war with Hezbollah and Lebanon, completing a new battlefield of the war on terrorism to replace the cold war.
So there you are. We will have to go back to the lessons Roman and British empires to learn the painful lessons of imperial overextension. The lessons in blood bravely shed in lost or dubious causes. The lesson of a weakened capacity to fund healthcare, education, our children's futures. The lesson that democracy is diminished as the secrecy of the warmaking state expands. The lesson of being hated in a world where alliances are a necessity, not a choice.
For too long we have divided our movement labor between domestic and foreign policy issues. Sometimes there are contradictions, for example, when the cold war liberals--today's humanitarian hawks--believed we could have both guns and butter, the world's most massive arsenal, fueled by oil, combined with robust domestic initiatives on healthcare or the environment or inner city jobs. It just hasn't worked out that way. The richest country in the world still lacks a national healthcare program, still is pockmarked by ghettos and barrios, still has massive school drop out rates combined with the largest incarceration rate in the whole world.
And despite any evidence of significant success, the wars go on, the war on terror, the war on drugs and the war on gangs.
Despite the evidence, the organized peace movement is weaker than any other social movement, or network of NGOs, in America. The peace movement is a mainly voluntary expression of antiwar feeling that rises and falls depending on the body counts and media coverage. The peace movement is not institutionalized, not in comparison with the labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women's movement, the environmental movement. It is not funded by the great liberal foundations nor by the wealthy liberals of Hollywood or other moneyed circles.
The point I am making is that our progressive priorities are wrong. Any hope for transformational domestic change depends on reversing the entrenched interests driving the dual agenda of military and corporate empire, including the Pentagon and the oil industry and the narrow elitist thinking of most national security and economic experts.
The battle is between the empire, or whatever euphemism by which is goes, and participatory democracy.
Our adversaries, who once favored monarchy and then white supremacy, have done a successful makeover and attempted to steal the banner of democracy. For example, they are exuberant about imposing democracy by force across the Middle East and to the borders of Russia, but they show no enthusiasm for the democratic process sweeping away the former dictatorships that our government backed in Latin America. Our government is opposed to democracy on our borders if those democracies reject our military bases, our special forces and our corporate dominance over their resources and services. Venezuela, Bolivia and, of course, Cuba are being targeted for isolation and subversion, while Colombia is the American spear in the Andes.
Latin America is the brightest democratic spot on the planet today. But its democratic revolution is not enough; an enormous shift in global finance, investment and trade policies is needed to address underdevelopment and poverty. The resources to build a movement here against military intervention in Latin or Central America are sorely needed. An alternative to the Monroe Doctrine is sorely needed. An alternative to the top-down secretive WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and FTAA models is sorely needed. The movement for immigrant rights and labor rights is where domestic policy and Latin American policy should meet.
I am campaigning for and voting for Barack Obama not because I agree with him on every foreign policy issue but because I think we need to unleash the energy of those who fight for justice and housing and healthcare and jobs and the environment here at home. The Obama movement is registering and mobilizing millions of new voters, young people, working class, people of color and poor. The mere fact of their being mobilized will create a pressure for new priorities on the economic home front against the present priorities of militarization abroad. The fact that Obama rose to his present position on the tide of antiwar sentiment forces Obama and the Congressional Democrats to pay greater attention to our needs at home or pay a political price. If he expands the quagmires in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will have to oppose those wasteful wars as well.
So I am saying that domestic groups--organized around issues from civil rights to the environment--cannot afford to leave peace simply to the peace movement. And the peace movement has to point every day to the domestic costs, including energy costs, of the Iraq War and the larger empire. And we must define an alternative vision to the undemocratic structures of corporate and military power that promise security but bring us war, that promise jobs but lower our standard of living. We need a new model of political economy that is equitable and sustainable, not one that expects every country in the world to meet our needs, including our appetite for their resources. And finally, we must build a progressive movement inside and outside the Democratic Party, one that respects the autonomy of single-issue movements, that brings our community organizing experiences to bear on this frustrating political process, that can build and strengthen a progressive power base that can fight everyday for our needs, not the empire's needs.
It is not enough to liberalize the empire; the task is to peacefully and steadily bring it to an end, making democracy safe for the world as some organizers said fifty years ago. In place of empire, we need to understand the world as a multipolar one, and drive it towards participatory democracy through social movements. Those social movements will not only pressure their existing governments but energize a global civic society that can achieve enforceable new norms on human rights, a global living wage and corporate accountability, a healthy environment instead of global warming, and the steady reduction of nuclear weapons.
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Show All"We will have to go back to the Roman and British empires to learn the painful lessons of imperial overextension."
Americans (in and out of government) learn absolutely nothing from history. When Americans think of the Roman Empire, they might think of the movie "Gladiator", or maybe the Caesar salad.
"When Americans think of the Roman Empire, they might think of... the Caesar salad."
yeah... and the Caesar Salad is named after chef Caesar Cardini who created it in his restaurant in Tijuana, Mexico in 1924...
Hi Mordecai,
Just a minor note here....Caesar salad was named for a Mexican chef named Caesar.
We need a Department of Peace to unleash this country from the arms economy that we have today. As long as there is money to be made in manufacturing arms the empire will struggle to remain alive.
Hoa binh
"but I thought the Weather Underground was completely predictable and understandable."
What a surprise coming from Tom Hayden.
Peace is antithetical to the survival of the american empire; only the cessation of the supply of cheap, abundant oil can kill this monster.
Hayden notes the following:
"The fact that Obama rose to his present position on the tide of antiwar sentiment forces Obama and the Congressional Democrats to pay greater attention to our needs at home or pay a political price. If he expands the quagmires in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will have to oppose those wasteful wars as well."
The last sentence is revealing. Hayden asserts that despite his overly optimistic support of Obama, Obama may up the anti of war in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, but also ignores the issue that Obama will NOT withdraw all of the troops from Iran.
Hayden provides a narrative of his ideology noting political contradictions, and as he tells us "living in two worlds." It begs the question: what has really changed for Hayden? He characterizes himself as anti war yet he acknowledges the uncertainty of Obama's ever shifting positions. He talks about giving progressives a voice; but what good is that effort if his chosen candidate ignores it like he did on FISA?
The fact is Hayden will always find himself in a perpetual state of contradictions by supporting and voting for a candidate who undermines his values. Hayden will forever be in this circular loop of perpetual plan B. Obama cannot give him what he wants but he supports him based on his overly optimistic hopefulness that everything will turn out all right. But we have been here before.
Hayden thus decries Empire, while supporting a tool of the Empire: OBama.
Hayden did good work once...now he is part of the problem.
This clip says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbJY2rs0QI
For those who have framed themselves on the side of peace and good, opposed to those they frame on the side of war and evil, the problem in not having too strong of a war movement, the problem is not having too strong of a peace movement.
This fact is simple.
The framing of the problem by Tom Hayden is a very simple we they, my team the other team mentality. Except he misses the well known idea that if your team is not doing well, you have to work on your weaknesses, and know the other teams weaknesses as well.
All I hear being framed here is how strong the war movement, of the evil side, has been and continues to be.
Where is the in depth framing and analysis of the weakness of the peace team, how they will improve etc.
This is a truly rag tag, undisciplined and inexperienced team.
Team peace. They need to fire their coaches, and find one that can really motivate them, capitalize on their strengths and put them into a routine of consistent peace work that feeds into building peace, not waring with war and empire to create peace and democracy. As Tom explains above all you get is more war with this team strategy, and the other evil side is winning with your help.
Time to stop framing yourself as the underdog, and peace as the underdog.
Empire is not the problem here, peace is not the problem here, team peace is the problem coached by people like Mr. Hayden who really don't quite get it yet.
The only one's who don't GET IT, are Obama's herd. Of which Hayden is one.
"Where is the in depth framing and analysis of the weakness of the peace team, how they will improve etc"
Their team is strong because they stay together no matter what---ours is weak because it's fragmented.
And you want more fragmentation. It hasn't worked and it won't work this time either.
....hmmmm excellent point.
I guess you have a team huddle and ask the coach if he's got any new moves because the one's you are using are just not working?
thanks, I thought we were on the same team Leea.
For example:
madcow September 4th, 2008 2:11 am
thanks, I thought we were on the same team Leea.
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How many hours do we have to edit these things?
Help, I'm going insane:
For example:
madcow September 4th, 2008 2:11 am
thanks, I thought we were on the same team Leea.
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How many hours do we have to edit these things?
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Vote independent if you can - MASS. - VT. - N.Y. ect. Vote your conscience if you must. Well put Tom. If we can strategically turn out a 15% anti war vote, won't that generate the preasure you're asking for?
"If we can strategically turn out a 15% anti war vote, won't that generate the preasure you're asking for?"
That would certainly be a big step in the right direction.
Lobo Gris
And meanwhile we'll have World War III, no constitution, no more elections at all, religious schools, and camps for re-educating all those "crazy" liberals. Sounds great Lobo Gris...
testing, can anyone read this comment? sometimes the edit link in my comments never seems to go away, and I'm wondering if you all can read it if the link is still there...
Roger madcow. loud and clear.
Apparently Obama is in bed with Murdock now:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/09/03-4
Great news for all the peace candidates!
"And finally, we must build a progressive movement inside and outside the Democratic Party, one that respects the autonomy of single-issue movements, that brings our community organizing experiences to bear on this frustrating political process, that can build and strengthen a progressive power base that can fight everyday for our needs, not the empire's needs."
Thanks Tom, you're a true American hero. Stop blindly trashing Democrats people. Do you think the conservatives got so strong by trashing the republicans? No, they worked within the party to change it...
You're wrong. The Republicans got powerful because they were backed by powerful corporations. Now the money is flowing towards Obama. You think he's going to screw them now? Doesn't he have to get re-elected? My prediction is it's you who will be screwed. But there's nothing new about that, is there?
The money is not the people. But the money allows the duopoly to pretend to be the voice of the people. That seems to be enough for Hayden.
I draw the line with these wars. Too many dead children and Obama wants more of it. I could never support someone who would enable the killing of innocent people - mostly children. Children are the ones to die in these air strikes. 60 just last week. Children! It's evil folks. Don't go along with it. We've been trying to pull the Democrats to the left for decades. We've had the opposite effect because we don't pressure them and the money insulates and protects them. You'll get kicked in the teeth if you try to interfere. Haven't you noticed? They are done for!
Let our collective voices be heard at the ballot box this November!
Nader 08! He is absolutely against more wars, more killing of innocents.
But I'm naive. If you aren't, if you are a sophisticated, urbane type like Hayden, by all means use your higher skills of twisted logic and vote for whomever but don't blame me if Obama loses this. Blame yourselves for not putting pressure on him and the other Democrats.
"The Republicans got powerful because they were backed by powerful corporations. Now the money is flowing towards Obama."
They still worked within the party and made it more conservative---that doesn't make me wrong.
The money Obama makes is overwhelmingly from the 2 million online individuals who give under $200 each. Check out opensecrets website if you don't believe me. Study it a bit and you'll see that the "corporations" (really indivduals who work in them) only account for about 4 percent of the 400 million he's raised. No PAC money and no money from federal lobbyists. Sounds to me like he'll be accountable to the people.
"We've been trying to pull the Democrats to the left for decades. We've had the opposite effect because we don't pressure them and the money insulates and protects them."
The third parties need to start locally, and gain a base before they try for the top.
I'm starting to feel like there's a subtle form of censorship taking place right here on CD comments. The above comment was made way before the ones I made below, and yet the above one still has the "edit" link on it and don't think you can read it if it does. Call me paranoid, but if we can't read responses to our posts then the debate is stifled.
And then when I post this, the "edit" link in the first post is gone...Am I going crazy?
Are there any more doubts that Obama lied his way to the top? Vote for a liar and you will only become a slave of the liar. If the voter has no principles, why should the politician have any?
And, Republicans are backed by Democrats. Check out Democrats' voting record during the 8 years of Bush Co and you come with co-dependent Democrats voting with Republicans the vast majority of the time. Sorry Tom. Your party has lost millions of us forever.
Hayden implies that Obama is worth voting for because he gives such great speeches and because he and the Democratic Party have been successfully hustling young voters (that took $$$millions$$ to accomplish!). To heck with his record and agenda, not so important. More wars? More spying? None of this seems to matter to Hayden or he'd be writing about it. He gives Obama's record and agenda very little analysis. He's no different than Fox News in this regard. I'm still waiting for Hayden to call a spade a spade ... but he won't. Maybe he's looking for a job. Over half of this article reads like a resume. Even Howard Zinn was able to say there is very little difference between Obama and the Republicans.
Sure, Obama voted to give telecoms immunity from our democratic laws that say the government can not illegally spy on us but shhhhhh, don't spread around that fact. yikes! might spoil Obama's chances.
Sure, he voted AGAINST putting a 35% cap on the amount lenders can charge borrowers. We know it's mostly the poor who are strapped with interest rates above 35% but, shhhhhh, don't dwell on it. We don't want voters to lose their enthusiasm.
Sure, he voted with Bush to fund an occupation that has killed over a million innocent Iraqis - mostly children but shhhhh, don't talk about blown to bits children and how the murderers got the money.
Sure, he talks about increasing the already enormous defense budget and sending more troops (read, peasant killers) to Afghanistan, where just last week 60 children were bombed in air strikes. but shhhush! we don't want images of piled dead bodies to intrude into the charismatic speeches and delusions.
These things seem to be of minor importance to Hayden so we have to fill it in for him, each and every article.
Seeing is believing and if you don't know which way Obama is changing, you haven't been paying attention.
Vote Nader, 08! Let our collective voices be heard! That's what this election is about, friends. Vote for the Democrat and get more of the same. The Democrat Party has moved so far to the right it's ridiculous to think there's any hope of saving it. We've been working on it for decades and they only get worse. We the people must bring it down. Out of the ashes will come the changes we can believe in.
Damn well said, sir!
IF Sarah Palin pulls-off a great speech tonight, the dems can kiss another one goodbye.
The dems have alienated just about everyone at this point except the desperate and naive.
Gee, I'm just glad the O man showed his true colors so soon. I was almost gonna vote for the guy.
Anybody that would believe this guy needs an adjustment. Thats all I can say.
I cannot believe the venom poured forth to Tom Hayden’s article by so many CommonDreams readers. I had to go back and read the article again.
After doing so and thanks to Thomas Moore, I found I am still in need of an adjustment! Would this be a frontal lobotomy? Is it covered by Medicare?
Tom Hayden is right, Empire is the main problem in America, and most all domestic problems stem from it.
I am not really voting for Obama, I am voting for his movement. If Obama is elected, then all progressive, whether they voted for him or not, should then hold Obama's feet to the fire.
Irregardless of some of his conservative shifts, Obama is sending a clear message to the American people. He is telling America that he cannot enact the radical social change needed in America without the power of the people behind him. I trust him in his explicit promise, but we the people must hold up our end of the bargain.
Obama and the U.S. Congress must hear loud and clear the changing ideals and values growing in the hearts of the American people. We the people must become the winds of change.
The powers that be of American Empire are scared to death of an American change of heart.
"....should then hold Obama's feet to the fire"
But statements like this are progressive?
I wonder just how much influence these potentially hired talking heads bear with their staffs of progressive affiliation.
After all, many of these posts on CD are coming from admired representatives for the progressive voice that seem to ultimately be attempting to entice the doubting crowd, aka undecided voters on the left, to vote for Obama, because there is still still a silver lining in this hurricane politics.
I find the current response from most posters here, which is calling it as it is, and that is that Obama is not representing you as you originally hoped.
We might expect the triangulations of these staff bearers to be on the rise as November looms closer.
It would be a carefully conducted campaign to convince the wise that there is wisdom is stupidity.
Hayden said:
"The battle is between the empire, or whatever euphemism by which is goes, and participatory democracy."
I would like him to explore that idea further. The United States has never really tried a decent form of representative democracy. Our two party system corrupted by money and rich institutions has led to business-controlled domestic and foreign policies and a boom and bust economic history.
My three questions for him:
How important would it be to have a public-financed, private-money-excluded, proportional representative House and Senate make sure public opinion and public policy match?
How does a nation of three hundred million people have "participatory democracy"?
What nation of any size runs itself with "participatory democracy"?
I'm aware of the town hall meeting form of participatory democracy in small towns in New Hampshire. I'm aware of how cities and nations created and maintain proportional representation in their decision-making political bodies.
But I am unaware of any form of democracy for large nations can take the form of "participatory democracy" absent the best-designed systems of representative democracy, (via proportional representation and public financing of elections) such as is found in Sweden, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, New Zealand and many other nations.
If by "participatory democracy" he means initiatives and conventions and referenda such as many nations (but not the US) have at the national level, I still don't think it can work without also having a private-money-free system of proportional representation in our legislatures—in other words, an uncorrupt multi-party democracy consisting of at least five parties.
What makes Hayden believe that voting for Obama will "force the Democtrats to pay greater attention to our needs at home, or pay a political price"? I think it is time for them to pay the polical price NOW! The Democrats took control of both houses of Congress several years ago. What did they do? NOTHING!! (but vote to support what ever Bush wanted) They need to pay that politcal price now. Don't vote for them!! Vote for them and you'll get more of the same. Want change? Vote independent. Don't vote for a political party funded by the corporations and using our tax funds to protect the Empire. THe hell with the Empire!!! Let's take care of ourselves!
What makes Hayden believe that voting for Obama will "force the Democrats to pay greater attention to our needs at home, or pay a political price"? The Democrats took control of both houses of Congrees several years ago -- and what did they do? NOTHING! but vote to support whatever the Bush wanted. It is time for them to pay the political price NOW! Out with the scoundrels!! Don't vote for more of the same! Want change? Vote independent!!
Zinn
The Progressive March 2008 Issue
http://www.truthout.org/article/howard-zinn-election-madness
"I'm not taking some ultra-left position that elections are totally insignificant, and that we should refuse to vote to preserve our moral purity. Yes, there are candidates who are somewhat better than others, and at certain times of national crisis (the Thirties, for instance, or right now) where even a slight difference between the two parties may be a matter of life and death.
"I'm talking about a sense of proportion that gets lost in the election madness. Would I support one candidate against another? Yes, for two minutes-the amount of time it takes to pull the lever down in the voting booth.
"But before and after those two minutes, our time, our energy, should be spent in educating, agitating, organizing our fellow citizens in the workplace, in the neighborhood, in the schools. Our objective should be to build, painstakingly, patiently but energetically, a movement that, when it reaches a certain critical mass, would shake whoever is in the White House, in Congress, into changing national policy on matters of war and social justice.
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Ok; vote for Obama; better than McCain. Think about appointments to the Supreme Court. Beware: voting for a third party can recreate 2000.
But work tirelessly at the grassroots for restoration of the Constitution, for the Bill of Rights...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Not for sending troops to slaughter Afghanis, not for expanding wiretaps without warrants, not for a health care scheme which leaves corporations in charge and provides no coverage for many, not for failure to call for restoration of habeas corpus, not for blatant indifference to the violations of the First and Fourth Amendments in St Paul......
Obama supporters: what will you do to rotate your man's thinking?
I mean: really DO!
Fusion
The problem is that they can't 'rotate their man's thinking.'
If there was any time to do this, it was in the primaries. Back when Obama was in a historically close race for the nomination. That was when someone might have had the leverage to change Obama's thinking, because that was when he desperately needed the votes.
And we saw Obama's answer to this. Obama's answer was that he lied. Obama lied about what his foreign policy would be. Obama lied about what his economic policy would be. As soon as he got the nomination, Obama basically said 'Ha, fooled you', and started repudiating everything he had said during the primaries.
And, this illustrates Obama's attitude in general to participatory democracy. A democracy relies on some element of truthfulness from the participants. The process relies on a candidate saying what he believes in and what he'll do as President, then having the people participate and choose the candidate they like best.
When a candidate lies and deceives like Obama did in the primaries, he's telling us of his disdain for democracy. The Democratic primaries had the appearence of giving a choice between the Clinton center-right policies, or the alternative that Obama appeared to provide to the left of that. But, as soon as Obama got the nomination, he has revealed that he is at best supporting exactly the same policies that he pretended to oppose in the primaries. If anything, Obama now appears to be even further to the right that the Clintons.
This is giving the finger to the idea of democracy. Obama, through his lies and deceptions took away any opportunity for the members of the Democratic party to choose a new course.
So, what are the Obama supporters going to do to create any change? We've already seen the congressional democrats total disdain for the opinions of any but their big contributors. The members of the Democratic party want an end to the wars and impeachment. The congressional Democrats give us full funding for the wars and gave the Bush\Cheney administration immunity from impeachment.
When the congressional Democrats don't know they are on camera, they call us 'idiot liberals' and wish
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Hey Tom, we progressives here on the "radical" left agree we need to conclude the empire now. But how do you expect the chimp-in-chief to accomplish that? We propose to simply vacate the oval orifice for four years to prove we don't need a chimp-in-chief. We really don't.
"The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it. Witness the present Mexican war, the work of comparatively a few individuals using the standing government as their tool; for in the outset the people would not have consented to this measure." - Henry David Thoreau
I don't get it. Mr. Hayden correctly points out that its a battle between empire and participatory democracy.
Then, just a few paragraphs later, he tells us that he's siding with empire in this election.
There's certainly no doubt that this is where Obama stands. I can't think of a word he's uttered that's critical of the notion of an American empire. The best way to characterize his campaign is that he says he can be a better manager of the empire than Bush and McCain.
There are no policies that support the empire that Obama opposes. The only place he gets close is on withdrawal from Iraq. But Obama makes it very clear that he supports this withdrawal only because he views this as a tactical mistake. He constantly just refers to Iraq as 'the wrong war'. Not that war is wrong, just that this was the wrong war. To make his position plain, he refers to Afghanistan as 'the right war' and promises to expand it.
And, just last week in Denver, I saw Mr. Obama's response to 'participatory democracy'. I saw the Democratic convention where the wealthy who've bought Obama are invited into the convention hall and the fund raising parties. I saw also the fences and razor wire and riot police and pepper spray that greeted anyone else who might have the gall to try to participate in a democracy.
So, this is what I don't get. Mr. Hayden gives a wonderful talk on participatory democracy, and he correctly points out that the battle is between empire and participatory democracy. The problem is that he then comes down strongly on the side of empire.
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beutiful!
thanx so much for giving me food for thought--and on hungry ramadan too...
(everybody is invited to fast between sunrise and sunset in solidarity)...
at the local coffeehouse here in sausalito, california yesterday, there were youngsters gathered in three of the four chairs usually occupado by the senior set...
i hit them with the idea that, "we better hope obama is lying"--at least with his talk of invading pakistan or compromising too much with the insurance companies on health care--and that after he wins the election he'll become Himself...
i feel badly today even thinking about it--to spread doubts of "hope" and "change," no matter where those vaporous slogans come from--better than "war" and "fear" unless we're telling scary stories around the campfire...
no campfires this week--it's red flag heat--summer blasting away--except where me and my friends live on our boats, barges and brigantines on the cool waters offshore...
thoreau's quote in an earlier comment is perfect--as was his young death at mom's house--valiant cries--and in another mood he said this,
"All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or backgammon, with
a slight moral tinge to it..."
still i will spend the two minutes to obama-size myself in november--and spend the rest of my time playing other games--allen ginsberg blamed many '68 radicals and himself for opposing hubert humphrey in that election--and bringing us the joy and wonder that was nixon...
i cover the waterfront...
jake
Fine article. Hayden is an unsung progressive hero.
Two points:
1. Participatory democracy optimized is direct decentralized Global Online Democracy (G.O.D.).
2. Unless conservatives somehow turn into enlightened liberals, instead of getting rid of nuclear weapons, a country's only defense against invasion and theft of their resources is to posses nuclear weapons.
Tom, you're to be commended for your good work. Seriously.
But, it took over 50,000 (that's FIFTY THOUSAND folks) American soldiers lives along with people finally taking to the streets and raising hell and burning cities to stop it. And that--as much as people want in invoke Gandhi's name--is what took to stop the murder.
How many this time, Tom? How many? Please give me a number, Tom.
And after this sorry spectacle called the Vietnam War (made possible by your own party) they didn't change. They learned not one single thing, because you Tom, as well as the other hacks and writers (and filmmakers) decided it was all a game. (And you only won in '92 because Perot gave you the win.)
Your Party stinks of death, negligence, and complicity, Tom. This "congress" has done nothing to stop the hideous warmongering GWB lied us into. Nothing. Not one thing.
Promises, promises, Tom. Always tomorrow, huh Tom? "Give us a chance", says Tom.
You did many a great things, Tom. I applaud you. But you and your "liberal" friends in the media, somewhere got lost in the BS, stardom and buried in your own narcissist attitudes.
You hate us progressives who stand for ideals. You hate us for voting for who we believe will advance policies that will move our country, indeed humanity forward. You hate us for not wanting to support your failed candidates, whom we all know, are nothing more than rubber stamps for Wall Street & murderers for capitalism (in the name of "democracy"). You and others like you will back anyone with a donkey stamped on his forehead. Anyone. It could be Mickey Mouse. It could be Popeye. It could be Mr. Ed.
You did some good work--back then, Tom.
To all the young people out there, vote Nader or McKinney. Cast a vote for humanity, not more warmongering. We'll all win by doing the right thing.
Casting a vote for Obama is just another vote for more of the same.
"vote Nader or McKinney. Cast a vote for humanity" Tell me where the humanity is when your candidate---McKinney--- takes money from people at Exxon/Mobil?
http://www.opensecrets.org/
Damn. I agree! McKinney should give the money back when Obama gives back the money to Goldman Sachs. So there.
Where did you get that? I went to your link and couldn't find the info you asserted.
"And the peace movement has to point every day to the domestic costs, including energy costs, of the Iraq War and the larger empire. And we must define an alternative vision to the undemocratic structures of corporate and military power that promise security but bring us war, that promise jobs but lower our standard of living. We need a new model of political economy that is equitable and sustainable, not one that expects every country in the world to meet our needs, including our appetite for their resources."
THE QUAKERS HAVE AN ACTIVE PRESENCE ON CAPITOL HILL WHICH HAS BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR OVER 60 YEARS. CHECK OUT FCNL.org The FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL LEGISLATION.
"...build and strengthen a progressive power base that can fight everyday for our needs, not the empire's needs."
This is a good objective, but one that is not winnable, nor is the struggle sustainable, within the corporate party structures.
If we are to remain (or become) a viable alternative counterbalance
to corporate power, we need a people-power entity built by participatory
democracy hands, independent of the Democrats/Republicans.
Green Parties across the country (and around the world) are
doing just that.
http://gp.org
Come next January, it will be McCain or Obama lifting their right hand before the nation.
Now if you don't believe that it matters which one it is, you could practice gesture politics and vote for another of the list of candidates you will find on your ballot. And if you do that you are buying into electoral politics more than those of us who happily vote for Obama, because you think that someone will notice your futile gesture. Save some gas, stay home and pull the covers over your head.
The rest of us know that the election is only one small step in a long long process to put an end to this empire Tom speaks of.
There's just a faint hope that this election might help a few people think that the world doesn't have to be the way it is. Maybe it won't, maybe we will be completely disillusioned again. But hope isn't thinking it will all work out, hope is doing the right thing because it is the right thing.
"Hope is doing the right thing because it is the right thing."
Hmmmm you mean like voting for a third party from a place of hope, because it's the right thing to do, rather than voting for the lesser of two evils out of fear because it is the strategic thing to do?
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"