Palin Comparison: The Not-So-Green Governor
Alaskan Greens Say McCain's VP Pick Has Anti-Environmental Record
John McCain's surprise pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate has a lot of environmentalists in the state worried about the influence she might have on the presidential candidate's environmental policy. McCain has worked hard to portray himself as a green Republican, but Palin has developed an anti-environmental reputation during her 20 months as governor, according to many in the state.
Her office in downtown Anchorage sits beside the ConocoPhillips building. "When I look every day, the big oil company's building is right out there next to me, and it's quite a reminder that we should have mutually beneficial relationships with the oil industry," she said recently. Most people in the Alaskan environmental community see her as an ally of Big Oil, willing to set aside both science and the public good to benefit the industry.
"I think it's a really extreme choice from a conservation perspective," says Peter Van Tuyn, an Anchorage-based environmental lawyer who has advocated for the state's native and conservation groups on environmental concerns for the past 15 years. "Picking Palin moves [McCain] even farther to right."
Like Van Tuyn, many enviros in the state express concern about her push to open up more areas to oil and gas drilling, her stances against protecting endangered species, and her past denials of anthropogenic climate change.
But even environmentalists praise her for taking on political corruption related to the oil and gas industry. And other observers note that Palin has gone to battle against Big Oil on a number of issues, most notably pushing through a big tax increase on oil companies last year. "She's viewed ... as almost anti-oil" in her home state, Alaskan GOP pollster Mark Hellenthal told the Associated Press. "She's probably pro-oil from a national perspective, but she's not in the pocket of Big Oil. She's fought them at every step."
An Inhospitable Climate
Palin's beliefs on global warming contrast sharply with those of McCain, who has long warned about the dangers of human-caused climate change and who in 2003 cosponsored the first major bill in the Senate to address the problem. McCain consistently talks up his climate change plan on the campaign trail and in his TV ads.
Palin's got a different take. "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location," Palin told Newsmax in an interview published on Friday. But, she added, "I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."
In 2006, while running for governor, Palin said of climate change, "I will not pretend to have all the answers," and cautioned against "overreaction" on the issue. A Palin spokesperson in 2006 said, "She's not totally convinced one way or the other. Science will tell us ... She thinks the jury's still out."
After Palin joined McCain's ticket, her spokesperson said, "Gov. Palin not only stands with John McCain in his belief that global warming is a critical issue that must be addressed, but she has been a leader in addressing climate change." Note that the statement dodges the issue of whether humans are responsible for global warming.
"I wouldn't call her a climate change denier, but she is extremely close to that position," John Toppenberg, director of the Alaska Wildlife Alliance, told Grist. "She seems to be failing to acknowledge virtually all credible science."
Still, Palin has taken some small steps on climate change, creating a committee to develop Alaska's climate-change strategy and making Alaska an observer, though not a member, of the Western Climate Initiative.
Drill Here, Drill Now
Palin has a complicated relationship with the oil industry. Last year, she pushed through new oil taxes in Alaska, arguing that the tax plan proposed by the previous governor, Frank Murkowski, was too favorable to the industry. The new tax brought in about $6 billion during the last fiscal year, contributing to an expected budget surplus of as much as $9 billion. Palin used some of that excess to give each Alaskan $1,200 to help them deal with rising energy costs.
Palin says that she, like McCain, opposes the idea of a "windfall profits" tax on oil companies. And yet her strategy in Alaska looks an awful lot like Barack Obama's plan to impose a windfall-profits tax and use the money to give each American $1,000 to help offset pain at the pump. Palin even praised some aspects of Obama's energy plan earlier this month.
With billions from the new oil tax pouring in to Alaska's treasury, it's no wonder that Palin wants to give the oil industry more opportunities to drill -- and more opportunities to be taxed. She has been an avid supporter of opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling, as well as offshore areas, and has even chastised the Bush administration for not pushing hard enough to allow more drilling in her state.
"We have so much potential from tapping our resources here in Alaska. And we can do this with minimum environmental impact," she said in her recent Newsmax interview. "We have a very pro-development president in President Bush, and yet he failed to push for opening up parts of Alaska to drilling through Congress -- and a Republican-controlled Congress, I might add."
In the past, Palin has been critical of McCain's stance on drilling in the refuge. "Sen. McCain is wrong" on the issue of oil drilling, she said during a June 25 appearance on CNBC's "Kudlow & Company." "I think he's going to evolve into eventually supporting ANWR opening ... I'd like the opportunity to change his mind about ANWR," she added.
While McCain previously opposed offshore drilling, this summer he changed his position; he now calls for the moratorium on offshore drilling to be lifted. He has long been a staunch opponent of drilling in the Arctic Refuge, but he's been sounding a little less staunch lately. In June, he indicated at a campaign event in Missouri that he'd be "happy to examine it again."
"ANWR is something that so far Sen. McCain has stood strong on," said Alaska Wilderness League Executive Director Cindy Shogan. "We're very concerned. Gov. Palin is a typical Alaska Republican. She wants to drill everywhere regardless of the impacts on the environment and the people."
On Friday, McCain spokesperson Michael Goldfarb said, "Though Sen. McCain opposes drilling in ANWR, he continues to examine the issue in light of America's energy needs."
"I have really appreciated John McCain's hard work on the Arctic Refuge in the past," said Van Tuyn, who has previously worked with McCain on the issue. "It's just been great. But I have seen the man change before my eyes on so many issues -- even offshore drilling -- and he's said recently he'd reconsider the Arctic Refuge." Van Tuyn said that Palin's selection makes him worry that McCain could shift on this issue as well.
Frank Maisano, who represents the energy industry with the law firm Bracewell & Giuliani LLP, said Palin will lend some first-hand knowledge of the oil industry to the Republican ticket.
"Anybody who has any understanding of the oil industry and what it takes to get a barrel of oil out of the ground and to a consumer eventually, and the hard work and complexity that goes into that, is going to be a value," said Maisano. "Anybody that has to deal with these industries on a regular basis like the governor of Alaska has to is going to have a much deeper understanding of the complexity and the difficulty of doing the work."
Despite her pro-drilling stance, Palin has expressed reservations about drills moving into Alaska's Bristol Bay, which Bush opened to drilling last year. Bristol Bay is home to the world's largest sockeye salmon population and other big salmon runs. Said Palin, "the fear would be that our very rich fish resources would be put in jeopardy." Her family owns a commercial fishing business. At the same time, Palin's husband is an oil production operator for BP on Alaska's North Slope.
Palin made a name for herself in Alaska a few years ago by fighting corruption as chair of the Alaska Gas and Oil Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004. She ended up resigning from the post to protest the "lack of ethics" demonstrated by fellow Alaskan Republican leaders. Her campaign for governor in 2006 was based largely on promoting transparency in government; she pitted herself against the party establishment to defeat incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the primary.
She has also gone head-to-head with Big Oil over construction plans for a trans-Alaska natural-gas pipeline. She wants one big enough that smaller companies can use it as well as the oil giants, and she didn't like the terms the big companies had been negotiating with the Murkowski administration, which she said would have locked in pipeline-transit rates for decades and given the companies "a sweet deal." ExxonMobil, ConocoPhilips, and BP have fought her pipeline plan, but she's pushing ahead with it.
As for other forms of energy, there is some question as to where Palin stands. McCain has talked up renewables during his campaign, but Palin has been less bullish about their possibilities. "Alternative-energy solutions are far from imminent and would require more than 10 years to develop," she said earlier this month.
Still, some environmental leaders in the state say she has voiced support for wind, hydro, and geothermal power, making her seem more open to renewables than her predecessors in the statehouse. Kate Troll, executive director of Alaska Conservation Voters, said Palin met with her group and seemed enthusiastic about the potential for renewables. But so far there's been little more than verbal support for alternative energy sources.
"She presents a mixed bag of results. She's a real strong supporter of drilling offshore and in the Arctic Refuge, and very strong on oil and gas issues, but at the same time she's very strong on renewable energy," said Troll. "How it all fits together, we don't know, because she's never really articulated her energy policy." Troll says Palin pledged in June to outline a comprehensive energy plan and appointed an energy czar.
Clear and Present Endangerment
Another major concern for enviros is Palin's stance on endangered species in the state. After the Bush administration's Department of Interior listed the polar bear as a threatened species in May, the governor sued the department. "We believe that the ... decision to list the polar bear was not based on the best scientific and commercial data available," said Palin, who also penned an op-ed in The New York Times on the subject.
Palin and other state officials expressed concern that listing polar bears as threatened would impair oil and gas development in the state. Palin argued that the listing decision was based on "the unproven long-term impact of any future climate change on the species" and that a "comprehensive review" of the federal science by state wildlife officials found no reason to support listing the bears as endangered.
But emails released via a public-records request later showed that Alaskan state scientists agreed with federal researchers that polar bears are threatened by shrinking ice. "Overall, we believe that the methods and analytical approaches used to examine the currently available information supports the primary conclusions and inferences stated" in federal reports, wrote Robert Small, head of the marine mammals program for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.
"This was the Bush administration Fish and Wildlife [Service]. It's not like these people are bear-huggers," said Van Tuyn. "State scientists looked at it and said that's the best science, and Palin said, 'Keep your mouths shut,' and she turned around to the public and said, 'I do not support listing the polar bear, the science doesn't support it.'"
Palin has also opposed efforts to protect Cook Inlet beluga whales, a genetically distinct population of whales located only in this Alaskan inlet. Scientists estimate that they numbered 1,300 in the '80s; now they're down to just 375. Environmental groups have been pressing for a listing to protect the whales, but Palin has urged the federal government not to list, again citing threats to the oil and gas industry. "I am especially concerned that an unnecessary federal listing and designation of critical habitat would do serious long-term damage to the vibrant economy of the Cook Inlet area," said Palin in a statement last year.
Many in the state say she's demonstrated again and again a willingness to protect business interests over environmental concerns. "There isn't a threatened or endangered species that she likes in this state," said Van Tuyn.
Palin has also drawn heat from conservationists for pushing to let citizens shoot wolves from the air, and for supporting looser bear-hunting rules aimed at reducing bear populations in order to inflate numbers of moose and caribou, which draw big-game hunters to the state. She opposed a ballot initiative to change the law so that only Department of Fish and Game personnel could shoot wolves or bears from the air. She drew even more criticism for using $400,000 of taxpayer money to "educate Alaskans" about "predator control." The ballot initiative was voted down last week.
"Decimating them with ongoing perpetual programs is in no way in line with environmentally responsible predator management," said Toppenberg of the Alaska Wildlife Alliance. "The ecosystems up here are intact, but they certainly won't be if we decimate the population in order to artificially inflate the population of moose and caribou."
Mining vs. Salmon
Palin has come into criticism recently for using her post as governor to influence a ballot initiative on clean water, which voters also rejected last week. "Proposition 4" would have prohibited or restricted new mining operations that could affect salmon in the state's streams and rivers, and was crafted in order to prevent the development of the Pebble Mine, which if approved would be the largest open-pit gold and copper mine in North America. Toxic runoff from the mine would threaten the Bristol Bay ecosystem, and put drinking water at risk. It is widely opposed by commercial fishers, native populations, and environmentalists in the state. While state regulatory agencies will get the final say on granting permits for the mine, the initiative would have made it considerably harder to move forward.
Just days before the vote on the ballot initiative, Palin stated publicly that she opposed it. "Let me take my governor's hat off just for a minute here and tell you, personally, Prop. 4, I vote no on that," she said. Groups that supported the measure argued that Palin's comments were highly unethical. They also filed a legal complaint against the state government for improperly weighing in against Prop. 4 on the state's website.
The Alaska Public Offices Commission ordered the state to take down the questionable web content, but said Palin's public statement was permissible because she made it clear it was her personal opinion. Polls before her statement showed voters strongly in favor of the measure, but in the end nearly 60 percent of the public voted against it.
"Conventional wisdom around here is that [her statement] changed the tide on the proposition, from narrowly passing to being defeated," said Van Tuyn.
Richard Jameson of the Renewable Resources Coalition, a nonprofit group that represents sportsmen, commercial fishermen, and native subsistence users and that cosponsored Prop. 4, said it's been hard to get Palin to listen to their concerns about potential damage to fisheries. "We really haven't had a good dialogue with her on the Pebble Mine or Prop. 4," he said. "On the bigger issue, Pebble Mine, frankly we don't know how she stands."
On the Ticket
David Jenkins, government affairs director of Republicans for Environmental Protection, which endorsed McCain last October, on Friday said he believes Palin "will defer to the top of the ticket" on issues like the Arctic Refuge and climate policy. He also said he thinks she will be an overall benefit to the ticket.
"[McCain's] campaign has shown no sign of wavering on the refuge, so I don't think there's any reason to wring our hands over the pick of someone from Alaska," said Jenkins. "I think it's sort of a wait-and-see situation. She's a good choice from the standpoint of what they need to do in this election."
But other national environmental groups see her selection as a sign that McCain is moving to the right on energy and environmental issues.
"Gov. Palin will simply continue the failed policies of the Bush-Cheney administration and their Big Oil friends -- policies that could make us even more dependent on foreign oil," said League of Conservation Voters President Gene Karpinski. "Gov. Palin characterizes McCain's flip-flop on drilling offshore as a positive step in his transformation from maverick to Big Oil's best friend."
Of course, it's too early to know what sort of influence Palin will have on McCain as a candidate, much less what influence should would have if the two are elected this November. But her record in Alaska does raise questions about the McCain campaign's commitment to environmental protection and climate action.
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38 Comments so far
Show AllPalin has a husband. A husband who should know how to change diapers after producing 5 weirdly named kids.
Sarah Barracuda is going to be speaking at 9:30. (central)
The person I would like to see a lengthy interview with is her sister's ex husband - I think his view of Sarah Barracuda would be quite informative.
Someone was holding up a sign saying "Raisin McCain" - and, come to think of it, McCain is shriveled up like a raisin.
Bligh4: it is the 21st century in Canada
It is to bad you don't live in Canada. A mother has a kid and gets 52 weeks with full pay off work and her job by law has to be there when she gets back. If the mother wishes to go back to work before the 52 weeks then her husband can finish the remainder of the 52 with full pay.
As for going back or stay home full time it isn't an easy thing to do in these hard times. I am sure some mothers would like to stay home but just can't.
If there is a way you can leave America I would put those wheels in motion. As a former American I see how so Fucked up America is.
CEE MIRACLES: Excellent post. I was reluctant to comment on how callous I took this woman to be for abandoning her new baby to go back to work. That is something only VERY cold or very financially desperate mothers do. And to the poster who summarized her family values, this group seems like a pack of kangaroos... the only thing Rove must have vetted here is competition for the Hillary vote. To think this is the best the Republicans can do? But in making an analogy to a home, Bush would definitely be the toilet, so I guess the Republicans are still thinking sewer(s) works.
bligh4
I don't appreciate or agree with the comment that only "Very cold or financially desperate " mothers would want to go back to work after having a baby. Would the same comments apply to a man? My wife is neither cold nor financially desperate and went back to work 8 weeks after our son was born. So did my sister. So did both my brothers wives.
This is the twenty first century, not Victorian England.
Just because you're lucky doesn't mean everyone is the same. Get a grip.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Siouxrose - Thanks. Just lost the longish post I wrote you in reply, but have to get outside to my pond and unplug a huge overflow pipe which the resident beaver family has plugged up again.
I think I'm kind of glad I lost the post. Feeling somewhat poisoned by the constant insanity going on, and so I won't redo the negative take on all of this I was writing.
Today is today ... and I think I will just enjoy the sunshine, the warmth, and the land, the trees and the animals and get on with it ... for now.
peace - cm
Galen why do you care what people think? Consider the value of a prude's opinion.
Webber, Tolstoy claimed he had given up hunting because it provided an opportunity for suicide that he was afraid he might not be able to pass up.
I hunted rabbits and squirrels when I was a boy. Even then it felt like a chickenshit thing to do but I wanted to be a man. I can't imagine an adult getting off by blowing holes in fellow living creatures, animals who hold their lives by the same tenure as he holds his.
I finally figured out that I was the man and the adults around me were grown up in a physical sense only. I was more nearly sane than they. I get reminded of this fact far more often than I would prefer. It always makes me sad and reminds me of how alone I am. The bigotry and stupidity of others is a real downer. People who see things as I do seem to relish their superiority. I don't. Sorry but that's the way I see it.
What would Cindy Sheehan say to Sainted Sarah in a public forum I wonder?
Walk in peace.
Palin, her daughter is 17 unmarried and pregnant.
Palin , she is under investgation for firering a bureaucrat who wouldn't fire a sheriff for devorcing her sister.
Palin, never traveled, and has no idea of how basic science works.
I am looking at this as a Obama set up to win then can't follow through with his so called change and 911 part 2 that ROVE etc I am sure have in the wings.
I say America will be at the polls in 08 and again in 2010 to fill the presidents job
LOL. Talk about pseudo-science. Creationism and Man Made (Co2) Global warming share different sides of the same alter. Both are about religion and require faith, one has priests and the other pseudoscientists who use the religion for social control.
Theistic evolution considers modern science and the theory of evolution to be fully compatible with the concept of a supernatural designer. This seems to be the best approach for those who do not have 100% faith there is no god.
Evolution has some pretty big holes in explaining how man evolved. I personally believe aliens came to earth 6000-12,000 years ago and genetically engineered man that was emerging from the last ice age, finding the daughters of man pleasing.
Galenwainwright - The rest seem in order but she does have some "international experience" when she negotiated the second Alaskan Pipeline - she had to deal with Canadian Premiers and the territorial leader of the Yukon. Biden better be careful Palin doesn't try to test Biden's knowledge of Canada.
In Canada, "PC" stands for Progressive Conservative - not for some sort of "correctness"
Palin was known as "Sarah Barracuda" in school. Probably had something to do with the song by Heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkitLUbeEg
Palin is not a MILF - it's not so much that we want to do it to her as it is that we're afraid that she's going to do it to us - over and over again.
Palin is pro-gun and that is enough of a turn off for me.
Palin doesn't believe in science - or maybe she considers it a creation of the devil to tempt us into hell.
Dafoe
God , Guns and Gays and of course bending over for corporate amerca, what could be more Neo Con American. Palin is about as poor a choice as McCain could make for this nation. Poor decision making Alasker a state it should still be a "colony". Some one was mentioning that there was not enough in the article about Palin and therefore couldn't make a decision, my question is why not use the internet to find out more good and bad about the Guv? Me I made my decision on Palin and it ain't good. Vote anything but repugican.
I posted this yesterday in a different thread, but it seems so damn relevant right now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6855834
Walk in peace.
This is from TWO Alaska residents.
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
Walk in peace.
It is late ... actually early in the a.m. as I write this, and it feels very dark, ugly, and crazy in my America right now.
After viewing the pictures of the grizzlies, some very used to humans, and reading that 1400 out of 2000 are scheduled to be killed, including mother bears with cubs, and also countless wolves, in a variety of cruel and totally callous ways, because Governor Gail Palin wants the moose population to increase to attract more tourist hunters to Alaska, and
After reading of Gail Palin's behavior when her water broke in her pregnancy with the child who she knew was an at-risk Down's Syndrome little boy, but then she gave a speech [okay], and then flew many hours from Texas to Alaska in labor [NO!], and then after landing in the large city of Anchorage with a well-equipped, large hospital, she then chose to drive or be driven for another 45 minutes to a small hospital where she previously was Mayor [NO!] to have this child prematurely, frankly, I think this gal called Barracuda in high school is a self-centered, reckless, wildly ambitious John McCain mistake with more twisted warrior male principle than female in her makeup, despite the appearance.
Women ... or men ... who are so carelessly cruel to living things, I have always found, are dangerous, especially the ones that read the Bible and talk a lot about the love of God in one breath and cheer when wars begin on the exhale. They are not in balance. Something crucial is missing.
As a mother, I ask myself, what mother would be thrilled to have her newly enlisted son go to Iraq on September 11th given the dangerous debacle there? ... I can only conclude because it serves her own ambitions?
I don't care whether Gail Palin's personality bubbles all over the place and she hugs everybody, underneath I would suspect she is cold and calculating and mega-ambitious, intelligent, but dangerously uneducated and ignorant of far too much to be Vice President of the United States and a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Something is unhealthy and very, very wrong when a mother-to-be puts a known, at-risk, unborn baby at more risk, and now plans to continue governing Alaska even while she must also be away giving stump speeches across the nation in the most intense phase of the presidential and vice-presidential campaign.
As I feel it, all we need now is a Dick Cheney disguised as a voluptuous White House Bunny in an Annie Oakley costume with six-guns on her hips, riding herd over an aging McCain who often sounds confused, often cannot remember and garbles facts; someone who is a former beauty queen with the practiced smiles and bubbly persona that venue requires, and who doesn't blink an eye about killing nature's magnificent creatures wholesale. And since war seems to be okay with her too, likely just as the animals will be shot from helicopters, I suspect, it's A-ok with Gail Palin those foreign, non-believers-in-Jesus-the-Lord get and will get theirs from those bombs from the U.S. that are dropped deliberately or by mistake in what is so disgustingly called going to war when it's essentially from-on-high, hi-tech murder. Bet she doesn't blink an eye.
John McCain's crew supposedly vetted Gail Palin, including the fact of her 17-year-old daughter's out-of-wedlock pregnancy, and found her truly appropriate for the Vice Presidential slot. And the daughter now will marry at 17 to the equally young father ... a love match? or, at this time, strictly in the interests of her mother's ambitions?
In the words of Bush Cassidy [Paul Newman] and the Sundance Kid [Robert Redford] as they were being relentlessly chased by an entourage led by a man in a white pith helmet, "Who are these guys"? They just keep comin'. ... I dunno', but yeah, who are these guys anyway?
I guess I'll have to wait and find out the truth of all of this from John Stewart, Stephen Colbert and the gang at Saturday Night Live.
/cm
Geez.
I got ripped a new one half a dozen times for using the term 'M**f' to satirize the oil company suck up who was tapped to be VP.
But now that it is publicly revealed that her underage daughter is knocked up, all of a sudden, everyone is okay with using the term.
Make up your minds.
Either it is not allowed, or it is.
'PC, or not PC. That is the question'.
Bite me.
Galen, you have to be less sensitive to the PC crowd, like me.
You can be sensitive and PC all you like, and enjoy President McSame for 4 years...I guarantee the GOP hacks are not worried about anyones tender sensibilities. Obama is on track to be the nicest, most well likes LOSER ever.
amd MILF is not a swear word like FUCK, so you dont need the ****'s
peace
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
God wants animals to kill and breed. Are we any different?
I'm embarrased for some of the comments here. No one here has any real knowledge of Palin. I know I don't. Better let the dust settle and not be caught passing rumors like the pathetic "baby weas her daughters" trash that belongs on Fox.
No one mentioned that if one has a premie (or a full term baby of that size) that cabbage patch clothes fit premies. Then there is the trick of using size 6 month t-shirts as nightgowns for the first couple months of life.
Pierre Elliot Trudeau had a love child named Sarah - and he was a lot older than 17 at the time. Before that, his wife Margaret Trudeau had an affair with one of the Rolling Stones. PET and Margaret's son Justin Trudeau is entering Politics. Do you care? ~smirk~
Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer is engaged to be married to Conservative MP Helena Guergis. Do you care?
Liberal MP Scott Brison became the first sitting MP to enter into a gay marriage. Do you care?
The fact that (then) Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxime Bernier slept with a woman with ties to bikers and organised crime would not have even been an issue except that he had a habit of leaving classified documents at her house and then forgetting about them.
Canadian MPs have sex all the time and no body cares about it. Their children probably have too.
We can snicker about the success rate of "abstinence only" programs, but what VP children do is their own business - UNLESS it goes against a Politicians Policies. If Track was protesting the war in Iraq (rather than participating in it) then it would be news because it would contradict what his mother's platform. Children publicly disagreeing with a politician/parent's policies is news. A child falling into line isn't.
Now to do something completely unrelated to Politics and watch Ben Mulroney host Canadian Idol and then watch a Sasha Trudeau documentary called "Embedded In Baghdad".
I FIGURED IT OUT!!
Trig is the mentally handicapped love child of Bristol and Track...that is why Track joined the army, and Mayor McMilf faked a pregnacy to cover it up!! Its not down syndrome..its good old fashioned incest retardation!
Gotta love these Alaskan hillbilly sopa operas.
And then one day Sarah shootin at some moose, and up from the ground came a bubblin' crude! Oil that is....GOP Tea!!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
bligh4
Michelle Obama is really MLK's love child with Aretha Franklin!
Hey, I can make baseless charges without any proof too. You guys have sunk to a new low with your ridiculous assertions concerning the birth of Palin's newest son.
Get a life and try to grow some morals. Disgusting does not even cover it.
Excuse me! YOU guys? I only see my posting on the subject, Oh enlightened one...My posts do not reflect commondreams or anyone elses opinions, that I know of.
My point is, When someone is running to be first in line to the Presidency of the USA, and is a LOUD supporter of the proposition that children should NOT be taught about birth control, and FORCED to take all resulting babies to term....and her own kids gets herself knocked up...ITS FAIR GAME!!!
I KNOW FOR A FACT, that if Obamas of Bidens daughter got knocked up underage and single, Rush, Rove and the rest of the scum squad would be ALL OVER IT.
On another subject...gotta love this one...from Daily Kos.
When asked her position of the Pledge of Allegience: Mayor McMilf said:
"If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it is good enough for me"
HAHAHAHAHA.....I guess when you think the world is only 12,000 years old, 1776 just SEEMS like 1954.
What an IDIOT!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Dem presidential candidate Obama just kissed Sainted Sarah's butt, saying that the fact that her daughter is pregnant has no relevance to her being capable in the position of VP.
That may be.
But it does have relevance as to indicating how... flexible... her ethical compass is.
There is a growing amount of information being revealed that she has committed questionable acts concerning firings and dismissals, use (and hacking) of government computers, attacks on personal enemies, as well as the anomalous actions concerning the birth of her last child. There are questions about the bout of 'mono' the same daughter had last year, just before the birth of baby Trap Palin. Hmmm...
I mean, what woman in her right mind has her water break in Texas, give a speech, fly eight hours to Seattle, give another speech, then fly back to Alaska and drive 45 min. to a backwoods hospital? Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Walk in peace.
Thank you, noble Sir, for your correction.
We promise never to make jokes that bother people we aren't even aware are reading them ever again.
Of course, when a candidate for Vice President is chosen purely on the basis of a cynical calculation of the stupidity of a Party's "supporters" -it rather had to take that candidate seriously or shown them respect.
People with Palin's kind of "morals" do not deserve the benifit of ours.
Re Pregnancy: Bristol at 17 would not be likely to produce a Downs Syndrome kid - though her child is going to have an uncle 8 months older than he/she is. I am not sure that getting married is in Bristol's best interest - though it is in her mother's. Bristol becomes "respectable" by being engaged. If Palin/McCain gets in the White House, Bristol may have to actually go through with the wedding.
Even with the Pill or Condoms, pregnancies can happen - they are just not as likely to happen.
Palin supports the war in Iraq (and has a son in Iraq), is Anti-Abortion (and has a pregnant daughter), and supports big oil (and has a husband working on the oil rig) - stranger how her beliefs are reflecting in what her family is doing. We won't be able to launch the same complain against her as we did against Bush for why he started a war and his twin daughters didn't go.
Palin is for drilling in the Alaskan-Yukon Wildlife Reserve but not for drilling near the fishing resort her family owns.
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Keep Palin out of the white house - she wants to drill in the Alaska-Yukon Wildlife Reserve. She doesn't care about Polar Bears or Bears of any type - she even advocates shooting them from airplanes.
Palin "stood up to the oil companies" the same way Danny Williams did - by making sure he got his cut.
Palin is anti-abortion because why kill your children before birth when you (meaning Palin) can later send them to Iraq. Let the military get some use out of them first.
Yeah, that is right. It is respectable to marry at the age of 17... because, you know yourself SO WELL, and of course the father too. These people are disgusting. Plain and simple. There is NOTHING 'Green' about reproducing FIVE times... (or perhaps FOUR). Nothing. So we have out of the Palin Children: A son who cannot think for himself and "defends his country" without the slightest thought, a 17 year old daughter who is not only sexually active, but irresponsibly so, and a child with downs syndrome.... Yup. Real Green. I think she should be second in line for the U.S. Presidency- after all she is a Moron, and we have a representative democracy.
With much of the world constrained to One Child the Republicans are running a litter bug.
If her son is named Track, did his twin brother Field die at birth?
Namaste if you are about, later talk, I need it badly. CD is as if
'C'=cheney....D=DOMINANCE, not in a good B.and.D way either man. Odd, yeah?
mcinsanes veep is NOT a hunter, she murders by air wolves and Bear, sued the FEDERAL guv because she was pissed because they placed Polar Bear on the Endangered Species List, wants Creationism taught in Public Schools[pesky First Amendment]anti-CHOICE, even in rape and incest cases. Referencing Palin as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's "sister" of anything aside from employing slang to condescend to her during a Filibuster, "Hill, sista' you got nothin', DRILL NOW." mantra of the silly GOP when Ms. Clinton was this Nation's top 3 Attorney's when she was still a lawyer. Ms. Clinton pro-choice, palin anti-choice even if you have to be strapped to the table and DIE BITCH from giving birt, Hillary is a brilliant jurist, Orator, Senator Of a real city New York, there isn't any scale that could be used to use by Scientific proof to prove to YOU persons that find redaction of Constitutional Amendments funny, har har funny, think that our sons and daughters being murdered for nothing is just dandy while the 18 year old hit by an IED thinks, "WTF am I here for, they lied..", we used to be a Great Nation that led by example allowing others to believe that here we valued opinions, free speech and abided by Geneva, now they hate us, we are Occuppiers, Provocateurs, torture, kidnap, bury human beings alive, think all Muslims are Arabs and actually think al Qaeda and Taliban sre really Muslim, laughable were it not so incredibly tragic, want to build the Great Wall of Torturers, the Native Americans were here first, when I watch someone spouting off a Talking Point gift by way of Rupert Murdoch, "Get those illegal aliens outta here, since their Parents or Grandparents came in wanting a part of the American Dream, sure Rovian nightmare
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Governor Palin's 17 year old daughter is very green....every morning!! LOL
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Not only is she anti environment, she believes the earth is 12,000 years old and now it comes to light that her 17 yr old daughter is pregnant. Interesting.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html
There is also the rumour that Trig, the Downchild kid of Palin, is actually her daughter Bristol's as well, and Mayor Mc Milf faked her own pregnancy to cover it up.
Noticed in the picture of Bristol from the Convention, holding Trig, that she is wearing a ring on her left ring finger...whatup?
Will be interesting to see how this soap opera unfolds.
In any event, it sure show how well NOT letting your kids learn about birth control works! Way to go, Supermom!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
The daughter is NOT pregnant. Anymore, at least.
Read the whole story of Palin's 'flight back to Alaska to have her baby' and decide for yourself what really went down.
Things are NEVER what they seem to be with these types. And if she hadn't been at the Republican national convention,
she would have been at some big Right to Life Rally in the Midwest. While supposedly working as Governor. Now she says
it will be no problem to run the State of Alaska while campaigning with McCain because 'as a mother of five I'm used to
multitasking'.
The woman is on a ginormous ego trip and has sacrificed her children for her career. Or possibly for her husband's 'shadow' career as apparently he has his fingers in all kinds of government pies too, simply by virtue of being her spouse.
We're confusing babies. (And gosh! there are a lot of kids, aren't there?) Sarah Palin is said to have given birth to Trig on April 18, 2008 (although Trig is not listed among the birth announcements from the local hospital where she was supposed to have given birth). The rumors were that the baby was her daughter's, who was out of school for several months with "mono." But now CNN is reporting that Bristol is in her second trimester, "about five months along." Soooooo... looks like the child with Down Syndrome is mom's, unless Bristol proceeded to get pregnant immediately upon giving birth to Trig.
This is what happens when you don't believe in using birth control. So Sarah, how are those family values workin' out for ya?
Mayor McMilf hates big bears..LOVES Big Oil
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
"Palin has also drawn heat from conservationists for pushing to let citizens shoot wolves from the air, and for supporting looser bear-hunting rules aimed at reducing bear populations in order to inflate numbers of moose and caribou, which draw big-game hunters to the state."
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Bingo.
State parks management is all about manipulating populations so fake predators(humans) can shoot them instead of letting Nature take care of itself.
There are no true conservationists among hunters--except when they stop hunting(i.e. Tolstoy).