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TechnoratiProtesters Worldwide Keep up Pressure Over Gaza
PARIS - Protesters denouncing Israel's deadly bombardment of the Gaza Strip returned to the streets in demonstrations around the world to keep up the pressure for an end to the violence.
![[Protesters take part in a rally against Israel's air offensive in Gaza Strip, in front of the Israel embassy in Tokyo December 30, 2008. About 200 protesters participated in the rally criticizing Israel. The banner reads, "Stop air assault on Gaza."(Reuters/Kim Kyung-Hoon/Japan)]](http://www.commondreams.org/files/article_images/worldwideprotests-1231.jpg "worldwideprotests-1231.jpg")
As Israel, under increasing diplomatic pressure, mulled a proposed 48-hour truce and the death toll from its onslaught rose to at least 373 Palestinians, the protesters made their voices heard again.
In France, more than 7,000 protesters marched in a dozen cities across the country to denounce the Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip , which continued for the fourth day running Tuesday.
In Paris, around 3,500 people according to police -- 5,000 according to the organisers -- marched towards the French foreign ministry on the Quai D'Orsay by the River Seine, shouting slogans and carrying banners denouncing Israel.
Police said another 700 marched in the western city of Nantes, while demonstrations in at least a dozen cities and towns across the country each attracted hundreds of protesters.
In London, between 200 and 300 demonstrators protested peacefully outside the Israeli embassy, after the two previous days' rallies had descended into violence.
This demonstration was smaller than on Sunday and Monday, when scuffles erupted between police and protesters against Israel's air raids, leading to a total of 17 arrests over the two days.
Iranian demonstrators stormed the British diplomatic compound in Tehran Tuesday evening to protest London's stance towards the Israeli onslaught, state news agency IRNA reported.
"A large group of people and students entered the Gholhak gardens, which are occupied by the British embassy to protest at Britain's policies in supporting the Zionist regime and put up the Palestinian flag there," IRNA said.
A media officer at the British embassy in Tehran confirmed the report.
In Washington, between 2,500 and 5,000 people protested outside the US State Department chanting slogans like "Stop the Killing, Stop the War, Stop the Genocide of Palestinians" and with some carrying banners saying "Stop US Aid to Israel".
In Los Angeles, around 500 protesters and pro-Israel activists faced off peacefully near the Israeli Consulate.
At a separate demonstration attended by around 100 protesters in Westwood, actor Mike Farrell, a star of the hit 1970s television series "MASH", said he was "one of those people horrified by Israel's over-response."
"Not that I'm in favor of Hamas by any means, because firing rockets into Israel is not the way these things get resolved in a productive way," he said.
In Tunis, hundreds of lawyers and trade unionists joined opposition activists to defy a police ban and protest the bombing of Gaza, several sources reported.
As some protesters shouted slogans denouncing the lack of response from Arab countries in general and Egypt in particular, police headed off the demonstration as it headed towards the courthouse, said witnesses.
Tunisia's government has already condemned the Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip.
Saudi Arabia's interior ministry denied a report by Shiite news website Rasid.com that hundreds had demonstrated Monday afternoon in heavily Shiite Al Qatif, just west of Dammam, leading to several arrests.
Shiite news website Rasid.com reported that police had fired rubber bullets to break up the demonstrations Monday afternoon, which were attended by hundreds of people. But an interior ministry spokesman told AFP there had been no such demonstration.
Demonstrators in the Yemeni port city of Aden briefly broke into the Egyptian consulate to protest Cairo's response to the Israeli offensive, a security official said.
The protesters, mostly students from the university of Aden, "vandalized furniture before they were removed peacefully from the building," the official said, asking not to be identified.
Egypt has come in for strong criticism from Islamists and their sympathizers around the Muslim world for not fully opening its border with Gaza in the face of Israel's devastating air blitz.
In Algeria, about 100 people staged a protest in the capital Algiers after a call from politicians and editors of writers' and artists' magazines. They observed a minute's silence in memory of the dead.
In Panama City, around 200 people protested outside the Israeli embassy to condemn Israel's attacks on the Gaza Strip.
In the Bulgarian capital Sofia, about 200 protesters called on the Bulgarian government to support the peace efforts. Demonstrators carried pro-Palestinian banners and others denouncing Israel.
Earlier Tuesday, about 200 people carrying flowers and candles offered a one-minute prayer in front of the Israeli embassy, with a Buddhist monk ringing a bell for the souls of the victims.
"This is nothing but a bloodbath," organiser Hiroshi Taniyama told demonstrators, who included Arabs living in Japan.
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Show AllThe video of an Israeli drone destroying a truck and "rocket crew" which has been shown reapeatedly on media throughout the world, evidently was actually a video of the murder of more innocent civilians. This article in the Guardian today explains:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/01/surgical-strike-israel-human-rights
The controlled international media continues to spew lies about the slaughter of innocent Palestinians. It reminds us that the videos and pictures they spew aren't what they represent them to be. Propaganda, spin, mind-control: Burneys, Goebbles, Frued. They are masters of creating a mind-control matrix to pull over the sheople's brains, but the internet reveals the truth, for those of us with eyes to see. Truth is hated by the supremacists, who rely on deception and deceit to accomplish their NWO dream. This current tragedy in Gaza will lead to the destruction to the House of Rothchild (HOR) state of Israel, and the governments that support it. The USA will break-up like the USSR did, because no state can survive a 20 trillion dollar debt. The HOR planned it this way, because they want to bring "order out of chaos". Unfortunately for them, while they decide their fate, the Creator decides their destiny. You reap what you sow....
Imagine this reprint of a letter from the NY Times ????
For the last few years Israel has maintained its Gaza siege in its full fury, allowing only barely enough food and fuel to enter to stave off mass famine and disease.
Some Palestinians in Gaza have been reduced to eating grass to survive !!!
Such a policy of collective punishment, initiated by Israel to punish Gazans for political developments within the Gaza strip, constitutes a continuing flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Hamas is the Democratic --freely elected - Government of the Palestinian people but the USA who called for the free elections has refused to recognize the result and continues to support the over 60 years of brutal treatment and occupation and theft of Palestinian land by Israel !!!!
Nowhere do we hear the Palestinian side.
Gaza is the compared to the Warsaw Ghetto and a disgrace to Israel and the USA
Gazans have been reduced to eating grass to survive !!!
"And still Israel maintains its Gaza siege in its full fury, allowing only barely enough food and fuel to enter to stave off mass famine and disease. Such a policy of collective punishment, initiated by Israel to punish Gazans for political developments within the Gaza strip, constitutes a continuing flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. ...
Religion is not the problem. The land-grab of Zionism ain't about religion, and Judaism is not about land-grabs. If peace comes, Israel/Palestine will be vibrant with faith. R.e. land-grabs, all countries were wrested thus.
It is time for a just two-state solution with dignity for all.
Nomas.
I agree it's time for a two state solution but you are a naive fool if you don't see that it's in fact the delusions of region that motivates the most radical Israelis "settlers" who cling to their illegal land and who desire even more illegal land because of their following 2000 year old hallucinations of malnourished insane desert dwellers.
Note too that IMO secular Zionists who merely greedy for land and power hide behind the religious zealots because they know it's un pc. to question peoples religious beliefs. As an American I believe it's a person right to blieve any delusional destructive thing they like, keep in mind however that I also have a first amendment right to question the consequences of those destructive beliefs
Pull the colonists (settlers) back inside the green line and end the blockade and attacks on Gaza and my opinion is that elections that would elect people other than Hamas would happen and real peace would follow. And if the Palestinians still attack Israel after a just state is established for Palestinians then I wish the IDF luck in hunting terrorists who don't have a legitimate grievance against Israel.
hootowl
Thank you for calling me a "naive fool." I could not agree more. I know nothing. I am a 'fool,' as you say but I do respect you. My failings are not yours. A very Best New Year to you,
Humbly, One with a distance to travel.
Prove to me then with research how the religious zealot "settlers (colonists) are doing anything other than making a huge obstacle to peace. The price of religious belief is madness IMO.
A two state solution will not solve the problem of the millions of refugees, who desperately want to go home (including myself and my family)
It will not solve the problem of the colonies which are built on stolen private Palestinian land (including my own)
It will not solve the problem of the land grab stolen by the wall (including my village's land)
The only feasible and viable solution is ONE state for all its citizens
A just state that would reverse the racist, supremacist so called “law” of return which is unfairly gives Jewish people who DO NOT belong to the land of Palestine the right to settle in a land which is NOT theirs, and favor them over the rightful owners of Palestine who were forced to become refugees and still are languishing in camps for over SIXTY years
This is not going to happen, the two state solution is the best compromise that gives Palestinians a viable state, and Jewish people the refuge they DO deserve from evils of real racist Antisemitism* that leads to pogroms and other horrors. All sides are going to have to give on this one IMO. The U.N. green line proposal that has come close to being negotiated into place is the best chance for peace. But it has to be the real U.N. proposal and not the disingenuous sham proposal Israelis propose with occupying troops, Jewish only roads, 5 isolated cantons that are buntustans, that is a non starter.
*And no criticizing the policies of the state of Israel or the delusions caused by religious belief is not Antisemitism but rather a process of debate to evolve our ethics and government policies.
hootowl
Jewish people do need and deserve a homeland. Of course. That is beyond a given. And Israel is it. However let's not mistake West Bank land grabs for anything other than what they are...Religion means nothing...
Two states, independent of each other are necessary.
Nahida, do you want neighbors that bull-dozed you relative's homes?
I used to think that if those colonizers occupiers would stop their crimes and change their ways, I would be able to find some room in my heart to forgive them, days passes by, and their aggression only multiplies, no sign of repentance, no halt to their crimes, no remorse; only more crimes!!!
What I see now really, is that they have gone passed the point of repentance, with their arrogance they have sunk deep into the abyss of immorality that they are unable to stop or do a U-turn, the road ahead is dark tunnel with nothing but severe, but severe punishment awaits for them
The law of Divine justice, karma, or call it what you wish
I tried on many many forums to call upon their conscience, to make them realize what they have done wrong, to stop, to say sorry, but to no avail, all I got was ridicule and mockery
It’s only a matter of time now, when the inevitable will befall upon them
I have done what I can, but I cannot save any of them if they refused to be saved
They have chosen their miserable future and bleak destiny
I rest my case
Do you deny that secular land grabbers hide behind religious zealots in the settlements? Even if for many of the secular Zionists religion is only a tool and facade nonetheless it's the true believers that live in settlements beyond the green line that give that facade any viability at all IMO.
Propaganda & Promised Land
http://palestinian.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1970466%3AVideo%3A36980
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing!
Nations not ruled by tyrants or corporate bigots will break off diplomatic relations with the Zionist thugocracy.
Ryan, I have read your blog and I stand humbled. Neve Gordon is a fellow alumnus at Notre Dame, I believe his graduate PhD was in peace studies. Good luck on your journey as you continue your own studies.
Jesus B. Ochoa
El Paso, Texas
Keep shouting; we will be heard
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
New Years Revolution.
http://www.coalitionoftheilling.com
The lies of Tzipi Livni
"As the Jerusalem Post reported, the blitz was long-planned. It took place at a time when the illegal blockade of Gaza by Israel had succeeded in imposing near-starvation and caused a critical scarcity of medical supplies. It was all thought out beforehand. A Gaza Health Ministry spokesman, Hamam Nasman, said that "Since August we have not received basic medications. The ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross], which usually delivers 60 types of medication, has been unable to deliver a shipment for one month. 105 drugs and 230 basic supplies . . . are out of stock." Then the Israelis struck, just when casualties could not be treated.
This is deliberate targeting of civilians. It is malicious cynical rubbish to try to claim that civilian deaths could be avoided or civilian injuries treated with any approach to effectiveness in such circumstances. The Israelis are criminals. They tried to starve 1.5 million people and intensified the effects of their evil (and illegal) food blockade by denying hospitals the equipment, drugs and bandages they needed.
Tzipi Livni says "Hamas is targeting deliberately kindergartens and schools and citizens and civilians because this is according to their values. Our values are completely different. We are trying to target Hamas, which hides among civilians." So the attack on a building in the Jebaliya refugee camp next to Gaza City that killed five children under 17 from the same family demonstrated different values? The mother of the five Palestinian girls murdered by Israel "sat on a sofa surrounded by other women at a neighbour's house further along the street and struggled to speak, pausing for long moments and still overcome with shock. "I hope the Palestinian military wings retaliate and take revenge with operations inside Israel. I ask God to take revenge on them," she said."
Brian Coughley, writing at
http://counterpunch.org/cloughley12312008.html
Jesus B. Ochoa
El Paso, Texas
Yeah, but who dares question the judgement of someone with a name like Tzipi Livni?
To all on this site---
All destructive hate speech on any subject and about any person makes you part of the problem.
It is time for humanity to pick itself up and grow up. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Wishing everyone courage, insight, fortitude and clarity of purpose in the coming year...
Peace.
From the horse’s mouth:
Some Jews talking amongst themselves; they wish victory to Hamas, encourage Palestinian to join Hamas, and want the destruction of israel
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http://palestineisrael.ning.com/forum/topics/urgent-actions-for-peace
1) By: gad yariv
so let get to the point... this is nice and all, but your basic Assumption is wrong, people don't want to change the way things go, you Assumption the people in Israel don't want war... but that's just me pessimistic. There are all ready many groups working for this cause, with people from Israel Palestine and all over the world.
Ask Eva or any other of the guys on the site they can give you a list.
I would say there is no use in all they do, cause in the end most of the Israelis just want the Palestinians dead, and until they can kill us in the numbers we kill them things will never change, hay, but don’t listen to me, this young and already this negative.
Used to think like you, then joined some groups, later joined the evil mepeace, can't think like you any more.
Even most of the Israelis peacemakers don’t really want peace. (None of the guys in this site included)
Yes what is happening is our RESPONSIBILITY, but the killing in Gaza is not the army makings or the governments making, it's us, all Israelis who are responsible.
The government is just a representation of the people, and we could have had peace with the Palestinians a very long time ago, if we really wanted it.
And what would I say to a fellow Palestinian pacemaker, I will say that I have a great respect for him for the path he choose, but drop it, you have a better chance joining Hamas.
If I could I would have given you your house back in Haifa and give up half of this stupid land, but all the other guys in Israel all they want is to see you dead.
2) Shaul
Dear Gad,
As usual, you sound very pessimistic about all the situation here, but as usual, I tend to agree with you.
This particularly inept and cruel "war" (in fact, a blunt Israeli aggression against the population of Gaza) shows more clearer that ever the deep racist chauvinism of the vast majority of the Jewish Israelis, including, as you say very justly, sadly enough, most of the so-called leftist. For all of them, the life of one Jew in Israel is worth more than the life of hundreds of Palestinians...
Like you, I am very pessimistic about the possibility to change something significantly in the frame of the present State of Israel. There is something too fundamentally wrong with this country, so rotten to the core, that it must first disappeared as such before a radical change in the situation here can occur.
The Jewish Israeli state, in its present form, can only live by the sword, and you will have to abolish it in order to reach peace, but the paradox is that it has not the slightest chance to be accepted as a peace program by the immense majority of the Jewish population of Israel, except for a few dissidents, or "traitors", like you and me. Yes, in the present mood, I am beginning to wish a victory of the Hamas...
This situation, like so many others we face, seems impossible. Nobody listens. Nonetheless, many of us in the US are safe and privileged and should continue to do things. The cumulative effect may help -Here are some ideas to keep going...
1. Write to news media to demand more honest coverage. I (and others I assume) did it with our local TV station and they changed their wording significantly.
2. Call and write our cowardly representatives to tell them we are watching.
3. Demand no military or other aid to Israel.
4. Give to Doctors Without Borders - www.msf.org
5. Boycott Israeli goods. (Does anyone have a list of consumer goods they export?)
6. Educate: Start using words like siege, ghetto, Warsaw when describing the situation.
If each of us does one thing every day and convinces one person that the borders must be opened and the bombardment ended, then ... perhaps.
Joe
Here is a petition from the International Action Center calling for an immediate halt to Israelis aggression and aid to the long suffering Palestinian people.
http://www.iacenter.org/gazapetition/
Thank you. Done. I am sending link on to some friends.
Joe
Thanks, petitions get the goods unlike debating with Zionists using talking points from the Hasbara manual here.
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Reality in Palestine
http://palestinian.ning.com/video/1970466:Video:37170
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Gaza Massacre - The Movie
http://palestinian.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1970466%3AVideo%3A37291
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Nowhere to run for those trapped in Gaza
http://palestinian.ning.com/video/nowhere-to-run-for-those
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PLEASE SPREAD WIDELY
This assault on Gaza is not about Hamas rockets--it's about the power struggle between Likud and Kadima. So, in order for Livni and Barak to appeal to the voters, hundreds of Palestinians have to die, thousands must be mutilated, and the civilian infrastructure must be destroyed? Even after the inevitable cease fire, the occupation of the West Bank, illegal settlements, and the seige of Gaza will continue. And the Israeli public supposedly needs this carnage to decide whom to vote for? Jews did not just lose their lives and land in the holocaust--they lost their souls and conscience.
Where's the Academic Outrage Over the Bombing of a University in Gaza?
The Chronicle of Higher Education
December 30, 2008
http://chronicle.com/news/article/5725/opinion-wheres-the-academic-outrage-over-the-bombing-of-a-unive...
By Neve Gordon and Jeff Halper
Not one of the 450 presidents of American colleges and universities, who denounced the decision of the union representing British academics to promote a boycott of Israeli universities, raised their voice against the bombardment of the Islamic University in Gaza. Columbia University President Lee Bollinger who organized the petition remained silent, as did his co-signatories from Princeton, Northwestern, MIT and Cornell. Most others who signed similar petitions, like the 11,000! professors from nearly 1,000 universities around the world, also refrained from expressing their outrage when the leading university in the Gaza Strip was attacked. The artfully named Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, which organized the latter appeal, surely had nothing to say about the assault.
The story was reported widely by the different news agencies, including the Chronicle. Haaretz noted that Israel bombed the Islamic University and a government compound in Gaza City, key centers of Hamas power, in the third day of its aerial assault on the city. While the extent of the damage to the university, which was hit in six different air strikes, is unknown at this moment, Haaretz reported that Two major buildings were levelled to the floor¦ One building was main laboratories and the other was lecture rooms buildings.
Each building was 4 floors high. Witnesses said the two university structures hit today were the science-laboratory block and the Womens Building, where female students studied in classrooms separate from those for male students. There were no casualties, as the university was evacuated when the Israeli assault began on Saturday.
Virtually all the accounts agree that the Islamic University was attacked because it was a cultural symbol of the Hamas movement, the ruling party in the elected Palestinian government which Israel has targeted in its ongoing attacks on the Gaza Strip. Mysteriously, hardly any of the news articles emphasized the educational significance of this university, which exceeds by far its cultural or political symbolism.
Established with the approval of the Israeli authorities in 1978, the Islamic University is the first institution of higher education in the Gaza Strip and still its major and most important university, serving over 20,000 students, sixty percent of whom are women. It is comprised of ten faculties: education, religion, art, commerce, Shariah law, science, engineering, information technology, medicine and nursing and awards B.A., B.Sc., M.A., M.Sc. and Diplomas. Taking into account that Palestinian universities have, in UNICEF’s words, been regionalized because Palestinian students from Gaza seeking hig! her education are barred by Israel from studying either in the West Bank or abroad, the educational significance of this institution becomes even more apparent.
These restrictions became international news when last summer, Israel refused to grant exit permits to seven carefully vetted Gazan students who has been awarded Fulbright fellowships by the State Department for study in the US. After the incident was covered by The New York Times, top State Department officials intervened to restore the students Fulbright fellowships although Israel allowed only four of the seven to leave, even after appeals by Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice. “It is a welcome victory for the students, opined the New York Times in its July 8, 2008, editorial, [and] for Israel, which should want to see more of Gaza’s young people follow a path of hope and education rather than hopelessness and martyrdom; and for the United States, whose image in the Middle East badly needs burnishing.”
Notwithstanding the importance of the Islamic University, Israel has tried to justify the bombing. An army spokeswoman told The Chronicle that the buildings had been used as a research and development center for Hamas weapons, including Qassam rockets¦ One of the structures struck housed explosives laboratories that were an inseparable part of Hamas’s research and development program, as well as places that served as storage facilities for the organization. The development of these weapons took place under the auspices of senior lecturers who are activists in Hamas.
Islamic University officials denied the Israeli allegations. Yet even if there is some merit in them, it is common knowledge that practically all major American and Israeli universities are engaged in research and development of military applications, and receive funding from the Pentagon and defense corporations. Unfortunately weapons development and even manufacture has become a major part of university systems worldwide a fact that does not justify bombing them.
How, given the unfolding events, should academics respond to this assault? Regardless of one’s stand on the boycott of Israeli universities, anyone so concerned about academic freedom as to put one’s name to a petition, should be outraged no less by Israel’s destruction of a Palestine university. The question, then, is whether the university presidents and professors who signed the different petitions will speak out against the bombing of an Islamic University.
Neve Gordon, Chair of Dept of Politics and Govt Ben-Gurion University, Negev, author of Israel’s Occupation (University of California Press, 2008). Jeff Halper, Director of ACAHD. Author of An Israel In Palestine: Resisting Dispossession, Redeeming Israel (Pluto Press, 2008).
Israel's onslaught on Gaza is a crime that cannot succeed
The US-backed attempt to bring Hamas to heel by overwhelming force is in fact more likely to boost the movement's appeal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/30/israel-and-the-palestinians-middle-east
Seumas Milne
The Guardian, Tuesday 30 December 2008
Quote: "During the last seven years, 14 Israelis have been killed by mostly homemade rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, while more than 5,000 Palestinians were killed by Israel with some of the most advanced US-supplied armaments in the world. And while no rockets are fired from the West Bank, 45 Palestinians have died there at Israel's hands this year alone. The issue is of course not just the vast disparity in weapons and power, but that one side is the occupier, the other the occupied."
PROPAGANDA WARNING!!!
I'm not sure that you all are aware of the "cyber-propaganda wing" of the IDF- here is a brief article on it, as well as on IsraHelli spying on the US.
BTW: NEXT STOP FOR THE ZIONIST IMPERIALISTS IS IRAN- WE HAVE BEEN WARNED
As the Palestinians are fighting a decisive war on the ground, we must now fight a decisive war on the metaphoric airwaves. As you may have noticed, this newswire is under constant attack of Zionist agents such as seymore, Mmagot and qvh. These people are probably paid PR agents as they spend a lot of time doing this. Far more than can be justified if they were neutral observers or even rabid followers. Their purpose is to poison this Oasis of information.
They already dominate the print and news media, as well as indirect control of youtube (through the ADL partnership) but they don't yet have control of your mind. IsraHell is now spending an unprecidented amount of resources fighting the information war as they know they are losing in terms of people's opinions. Its time we turn their tools of PR against them.
http://www.giyus.org/
I strongly suggest not clicking the above link, but copy and pasting it into a new window as your browser may reveal the referring link, alerting GIYUS of who you are, possibly banning you.
This is the so-called Megaphone program, they send instructions to their "information warriors" to attack sites like this one. These guys are quite low level, but their numbers flood a site making it seem like they have the dominant opinion and flooding out the signal with noise. Luckily for us, our enemy is stupid as this program makes no distinction of friend or foe. Use this to locate sites that are under attack and retaliate.
They also have another useful forum. This contains their so called "talking points" which they cut and paste:
http://forum.giyus.org/smf/
Study these talking points, they will be easy to counter because we are morally and logically in the right. This war is quite easy to win, we have the numbers and our position is much easier to defend. Their position is trivial to attack. The only question is, can we be as organised as them in our retaliation?
PT ISRAEL BLACKMAILS THE US
Israel, purportedly our friend, has been spying on us all. And we're not talking about individual spooks like Jonathan Pollard, or small-time networks such as the 140 Israelis arrested by the FBI prior to 9/11, or the 60 arrested since (including 5 arrested who were cheering and celebrating as the World Trade Towers collapsed).
It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc. the company which sub contracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.
Concerns about allowing an Israeli company such intimate access to the infrastructure go back many years. As reported by Fox News, the Israeli company Amdocs was implicated in the leaking of police phone data that resulted in the collapse of on investigation into a massive drug and credit card fraud operation with Israeli connections.
In a telling repeat of the Los Angeles drug case, investigators looking into the attacks on the World Trade Towers are again reporting that confidential telephone information is again being leaked in a manner that is interfering with the investigations. Again, Amdocs was implicated.
Not content with the phones of ordinary citizens in the United States, evidence has surfaced that Israel compromised the telephone systems at the highest levels of the US Government.
PT II
Now, I want you all to stop and think for a minute of the full ramifications of this. Israeli interests have the ability to listen in on ANY phone in America connected to any of the systems used by Amdocs or Comverse Infosys. They have had this ability for several years. They can listen in and track the phone calls made by anyone's phone, whether police officer, elected official, media talking head, editor, policy setter, news mogul, even the President of the United States. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that a foreign government was tapping their phone calls.
Few indeed are the people in America who do not have something to hide. That insider trade, the brief but torrid affair, the stolen votes, the deliberate smear, the role one played in an assassination, the acceptance of money from drug runners to look the other way. Be honest. Is there a skeleton in your closet you hope will stay there? Something nobody knows about? Well, if that skeleton involved a phone call, someone may know about it. Amdocs and Comverse Infosys. And their Israeli owners.
Just think about it for a moment. Everyone's private phone traffic, right up to the President, potentially visible to Israeli interests. And you cannot find the phone taps or bugs because they are built right into the phone system!
Suddenly, a lot of events which have puzzled observers start to make sense.
Like the way the US vetoed the UN resolution calling for peace in Palestine, despite being the only 1 out of 15 voting nations to have voted against the measure. The USA gained nothing by this veto. But Israel did.
Over the last few weeks, the people of the United States have seen a great deal of evidence pointing the finger of blame for 9/11 at Osama bin Laden and Arabs in general, evidence which is circumstantial, often self-contradictory, and in some cases faked. Yet as was reported in the news, evidence also exists linking many of the arrested Israeli spies (some of whom worked for the Israeli telecom companies above) with the events of 9/11. Yet this evidence is NOT being broadcast endlessly on the news. In fact, this evidence is CLASSIFIED. Someone has "persuaded" the US Government and the media that the American people are ONLY supposed to see the evidence that points a certain direction, and must never see any evidence that points someplace else. Likewise, the media has been "persuaded" not to report evidence that Israel knew of the 9/11 attacks ahead of time. The foreign press has outright accused the Mossad of taking part in the 9/11 attacks but the American media have been "persuaded" not to cover these accusations.
It was well known that there was an Israeli spy inside the Clinton White House. But Clinton ordered the FBI to cease searching for the mole, code-named "Mega". It is now known that "Mega" was not just Mossad spy but top Mossad agent in America. The cancellation of the hunt for "Mega" occurred at the same time Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone conversations were being recorded. This strongly suggests that Clinton was "persuaded" to call off the FBI's hunt for "Mega" with the threat of a recorded phone sex session being made public.
Because of the purported links between Muslims and the attacks on the World Trade Towers, the US Government has been shutting down all Muslin linked charities in the USA. But the Chairman of the Jewish Defense League, a group with a violent history, was arrested recently in a plot to bomb a US congressman. But the US Government has been "persuaded" not to take actions against Jewish charities, while the media has been "persuaded" to allow the story of hard evidence of JDL terrorism to fade away as quickly as possible.
Two Mossad agents were arrested with dynamite inside the Mexican Congress.
BTW Rahm Emmanual was known as the MOSSAD BUREAU CHIEF FOR NORTH AMERICA
(the guy that broke this story in the nineties "committed suicide'
may there be an end to all suffering
Heaven can’t wait
Two human souls
Standing face to face
One with his guns
One with a stone
In a moment of eternity
A soul shone with dignity
And a handful of pebble
A head held up so high
Reaching out, to the sky
Armed with destruction
Hiding behind his tank
Aiming at the heart
Of the boy of the stone
"This is my chance
To rid the world of terror
Once and for all"
He proudly thought
What he didn’t know, then
That, heaven couldn’t wait
To welcome her baby
He’s been really late
For, heaven loves justice
And loves those who dare
To face up injustice
And always give and share
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Happy New Year 2009 for the Children of Gaza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://palestinian.ning.com/profiles/blogs/happy-new-year-2009-for-the
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A Dedication to the Children of GAZA - Palestine
http://palestinian.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1970466%3AVideo%3A37281
The tiny bodies that were murdered
http://palestinian.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1970466%3APhoto%3A37286
As for killing innocent people, here are some thoughts:
Firstly:
We, as Muslims, must NOT allow our pain and outrage at the hostility, horrors and crimes we have seen to deviate us from justice and from upholding our ethics!
"O ye who believe! be steadfast firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, Let not a group's hostility to you cause you to deviate from justice. Be just, for it is closer to piety. Be God conscious; for God is Well Aware of what you do." (Quran; 5-8 )
secondly:
Qur’anic principles admonish followers of Islam against killing children and innocent people who are not actively involved in war, Muslims are prohibited from even cutting trees, demolishing homes and houses of worship, or causing damage to nature during war
"No soul shall be made to bear the burden (liability) of another." (35:18 )
Thirdly:
In the zionist entity, there are no civilians except children, , every man and woman MUST serve in the army for 2-3 years, and they stay in the reserve until they retire
Fourthly:
Hamas, as an Islamic Resistance Movement, theoretically adheres to those principles, and respects them; however, the human factor, the incessant devastatation, the constant trauma caused by long term brutality and the never-ending killing of Palestinian children infuriates the most sane person into anger and outrage
In no way, Hamas, justifies the killing of innocent children:
Hamas: Rocket attacks not aimed at Israeli women, children
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/971873.html
Gaza - The Islamic Hamas movement on Saturday denied targeting Israeli children and women with rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.
"Hamas doesn't mean to kill children with its rockets," spokesman Ismail Radwan told reporters in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in response to a statement made by al-Qaida's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who said Hamas' random rockets kill women and children in violation of Islamic law.
Radwan added that "the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians may involve some killing of children," accusing the Israeli army of "deliberately killing children, women and destroying houses and mosques."
“We are freedom fighters, not gangs,” a senior Hamas official in Gaza told the AP. “Women and children are not a target for Hamas. They have never been a target and they will never be our main target despite the daily killing of our women and children by Israel in cold blood.”
Abu Mahmoud, a spokesman for the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades in the West Bank, said the group was “shocked by what we see on television” about the Russian school standoff.
“We would never agree to such a thing,” he said. “We never did such a thing and never would. When there is an explosion and children are killed, we are sorry for this because this was a mistake, not on purpose.”
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=756
Hamas: rocket attacks not meant to kill Israeli children
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-04/05/content_7924868.htm
Enough to look at the figures to see who is really targeting children:
123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Fifthly:
Hamas has offered cease fire many times, Hamas has offered the ending of killing civilians on both sides, and all this was rejected and ignored by the warmongers of zion, time and again
Hamas offers to renew cease-fire with Israel
Friday, June 16, 2006
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/15/hamas.ceasefire/index.html
Israel rejects Gaza cease-fire offer
Sep 21, 2007
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411457380&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Ehud Olmert rejects Hamas' offer of cease-fire in Gaza Strip
23/12/2007
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/937196.html
Olmert rejects Hamas cease-fire offer
Tue., December 25, 2007
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/937511.html
ISRAEL REJECTS HAMAS CEASE-FIRE OFFER AS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS DEEPENS IN GAZA
April 25, 2008
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0425/p99s01-duts.html
Israel rejects Hamas cease-fire offer as humanitarian crisis deepens in Gaza
Fri Apr 25 08
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080425/wl_csm/odu0425
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Isn't monotheistic religion at the heart of dehumanization? If we could see ourselves all as just people ie a species of ape I think that would help a great deal.
You nailed it there hootowl, if we were serious about peace, we should just ban all religion and racial identification.
Mussilum this, Christian that, Chosen Semite that.....
If we would just keep our religion and genetic identity to ourselves and refer to ourselves as just variations of Homo sapien, a lot of these tribal wars and resentments might be avoided. When you start preaching about your dead sea scroll superstitions and ancient rights to land thousands of years ago, you automatically exlude most of the audience. You delude yourself and offend others by proporting that somehow your DNA is special.
Anyway, it's only extreme human arrogance that assumes a God would be interested in our pathetic lives on this little blue ball. Clearly, there is no God, and if we keep believing he's going to save us, we will all wind up extinct. But politicians use religion as another form of control.
Really want peace?
Let's force Jews to marry Palistenians for the next hundred years.
Nope, I didn't think either side would like that idea.
I suspect most of them would prefer eternal holy war.
The way things are going over there, they may just get their wish.
Clap, clap, clap, bravo, well stated sir!
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." Bishop Desmond Tutu
To give an analogy about the rape of Palestine:
If a thief comes to your home, kills some of your children, kicks some of them out, and locks you in the basement for sixty years, while raging havoc in your house and garden
Then you are told that the only solution is to negotiate with the murderer thief; however the thief refuses to talk to you because you words are unpleasant and they disturb his peace; as you keep making noise in the basement, and you throw some fire works out to your garden to get the attention of some neighbours with conscience.
Then finally the police intervene, and then after arming the thief to his teeth they persuade him to agree to talk to you.
At long last the thief agrees to talk to you, but he comes with a list of demands, including:
No talks about your children, who’ve been kicked out
No talks about any room in the house
No talks about his incessant torture of your children
No talks about allowing you to use the bathroom upstairs
No talks about which corner of the basement he might give you
Furthermore, he demands that you respect the facts on the grounds, and should never ask to resolve the injustice by going back to how things were 60 years ago
Not only that, he demands also that you accept his right to exist in your house forever, and his right to control your water supply, electricity, food, and movement
Then to add the icing on the cake, of course, you are not supposed to moan or mention your pain over the past sixty years
You must only be grateful, that the murderer thief would humble himself and talk to you
I am intrigued to find out what would YOU do if you were in that situation?
Would you accept sharing your house with the thief and live in the basement?
If you say you do, I would like to see you openly inviting some zionists who settled in my stolen farm to come to yours and share it with you, and if they come fully armed I hope you don’t mind, and that you accept them graciously
If all the Quakers and those who condemn the desperate Palestinians for their extreme reactions to extreme situations would live by their word and do exactly what they want the Palestinians to do; i.e. offer their homes to the zionists, that would be a breakthrough
All we need is a few millions to do this ultimate act of sacrifice by being a living archetype, in fact that could be a vital approach to a peaceful solution and a good lesson to us all
We humans find it easy to moralise and pass judgements, but much harder to live by what we preach
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Some thoughts on Resistance:
http://tinyurl.com/8h7s5f
I have befriended and cooperated with many Quakers over the years, and I deeply admire their commitment to peace, and the time and efforts that they give towards achieving this goal
However, there is a fundamental issue that tends to be overlooked, oversimplified and ignored by those lovely, compassionate and peace-loving people; when they talk about the problem of Palestine, they are inclined to blame and condemn both sides equally; i.e they equate the immoral actions of the criminal with the understandable reactions of the victim
Equating the instinctive response of the oppressed -who have been massacred, humiliated and dehumanized day in and day out for generations-, with the aggressive and brutal acts of the oppressor is a severe deviation from justice am afraid
Morally speaking: how -for the love of God- could we condemn those who are being slaughtered when they try to push their butchers away?
Some times the only way to sincerely help a criminal is by stopping him/ her from committing more crimes.
There is nothing more helpful or supportive to the tyrant criminals than teaching the man who has been constantly crushed and incessantly raped, victimized and butchered not to defend himself
We can not possibly equate the violent assault of oppressor with the self-protection of oppressed
The ACTION of AGGRESSION and OPPRESSION is NOT the same as the REACTION of SELF-PRESERVATION
To teach otherwise and to condemn equally both the oppressor and the oppressed is not upholding well with ethics and morality To measure the two actions with the same yardstick and to condemn equally both the oppressor and the oppressed does not uphold well with ethics and morality nor with human or Divine laws
God looks with tenderness, love, forgiveness and compassion at those who are severely abused, brutalized, oppressed exploited and browbeaten, so much so that they are forced to react
"Beware of the plea of the oppressed, for he asks God most high only for his due, and God does not keep one who has a right from receiving what is due." A saying of Muhammed peace be upon him
Our disapproval and condemnation must be focused on those who initiate aggression, oppress nations, and commit genocide.
The permeation to defend oneself (but NEVER to initiate aggression) is given to those who suffer the risk of annihilation and extermination by the One who created them
Who am I to deny those who are burning under tonnes of blazing missiles, that basic human right?
Who am I to judge their re-actions or intentions, as they tremble under the explosions of bombs?
Who am I to moralise with them as they pick up the limbs of their babies and loved ones?
“To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight back), because they are wronged; and verily, God is most powerful for their aid; (22:39-40)
Did we not know that
A man
With a knife
Against his throat
Has the right
To push His butcher
Away!!
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The TERROR of TERRORIST zionist entity can be seen here:
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
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After STEALING the land of PALESTINE, they have constantly TERRORIZED its native people
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The World Stopped Nazism
The World Stopped Apartheid
The world MUST STOP zionism
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The World must stop Jihadism.
Spoken like a true Zionist George W. Bush Lover.
The bully blames the victim.
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When Injustice Becomes Law
Resistance Becomes Duty
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Since when bombing kindergartens is considered “justice”?
To the readers of DC: A quick translation:
“resistance” in the eyes of the Hamas means: indiscriminate targeting civilians (a war crime according to the Geneva Convention), as long as the victims are Jews who lives in Israel.
So when you see her saying “Resistance Becomes Duty”.
She means: Indiscriminate shelling civilian infidels in Israel and violating the Geneva Convention becomes duty.
This message is a free service from Hamas to English translation org.
nahida - I challenge you to tell everyone if you justify indiscriminate targeting civilians as long as they are Jews who lives in Israel, or not.
Yeah Israel would never bomb school children coming home from school:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/115651/israeli_attack_on_gaza:_bombs_fall_as_children_go_to_school...
Or bomb a university:
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50101&hd=&size=1&l=e
or a children's Hospital, or a Mosque:
http://www.ww4report.com/node/6602
Sigh! Apologetics for blatant crimes against humanity only reflects poorly on Zionist apologists. Stop sticking to your scripted Hasbara talking points and THINK about how to implement a just two state solution. The whole world is watching and for people outside the U.S. MSM bubble no one is buying Zionist bull shit.
On day 1 said there would be some protests, a few hundred people in a few cities.
The neighboring governments to Israel would issue some statements. None of them would intervene. Egypt won't even open their border to refugees.
Arab governments learned in 1967 never to accept Palestinians.
The UN will discuss something or other which the US will block.
The rest of the world will do nothing as usual because they see that the Palestinians are a liability. They don't provide anything but misery for the Middle East.
Israel is going to do whatever it wants, for as long as it wants and the world will sit and watch them clean up the garbage in Gaza.
Happy 2009 everyone! :-)
It's fun being right!
Fun being right?
Try being human.
Try being thoughtful.
Hitler was right too, huh?
Goose do you ever worry that such a smug callous attitude about bombing the most densely populated area in the world in a Guernica like fashion will lead to a backlash of real hardcore anti Semitism? We are already seeing it here on nicey nice lefty CD, how much worse must it be among people with hard right tendencies? Is this really the way Israel wants to go? Is it a smart course of action for the safety of Jewish people around the world? Nobody likes a smug arrogant bully. Think about it please before you answer.
p.s. The U.N. says 25% civilian casualties so Israel is ALSO targeting civilians as I am quite certain that an army as sophisticated as Israel's did computer modeling of EXPECTED civilian casualty rates.
"It's fun being right!"
Yeah, I agree, Goose. You are about as far right as you can get. Even Hitler wasn't as far right as you are.
I bet you and Letto are twins.
DavidG, Thanks for the laugh, Happy January 2nd!
“Even Hitler wasn't as far right as you are”
Right is Capitalism and free markets. (The cake should be as big as possible and F**K how it is distributed)
Left is Socialism and government intervention. (The cake should be distributed with greater concerns to social justice)
The discussion here has nothing to do with left and right but with the situation in Gaza, and if the protests should be against Israel or against the Hamas.
Some people (Such as you) think Israel should be blamed, because of body count.
Some people (Such and me and Goose4) think the Hamas should be blamed because it's the intention that counts.
Neither I nor my evil twin Goose4 wants to exterminate anyone as Hitler did.
I want both Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace.
Israel is ALSO targeting civilians see my response above. Bombing the the densest population in the world equals 25% civilian casualty rates according to U.N. figures. And no it's NOT unintentional collateral damage when you KNOW beforehand that bombing a densely populated area will kill non combatants but rather an INTENTIONAL decision to inflict ten TIMES as many civilian casualties than even Hamas's vile rockets. The disingenuous lies of Zionist apologists for crimes against humanity are appalling and disgusting. You are fooling no one Zionist apologists the U.N. is documenting your crimes as we type right now:
http://www.ramallahonline.com/article-section/3-linked-articles/20-statement-by-prof-richard-falk-unit...
Your Hasbara book will not help you now as there is no excuse for the number of civilians mainly children that Israel has killed in this latest incursion. History will judge Israel and her apologists very harshly indeed IMO for innocent blood cannot be put back in bodies the crime has been done and we are waiting patiently for the proper punishment of Israel's leaders to occur. As the Nazis and Soviets who thought they too were all powerful found out justice IS eventually served, if Israel keeps behaving brutally sooner or later the world will unite against Israel to stop it's crimes. count on it.
All that Israel wants from Gaza is to stop carrying out attacks against Israel.
Is it too much to ask for?
All Palestinians want is a sovereign state. Is that too much to ask?
Letto,
You're living in fantasy world.
Use your brains. Get a life.
Salaam/Shalom
Shanti Om
Since governments and mass protest are not bringing the message to Israel, someone in Denmark took matters into his own hands:
Denmark Shooter Wounds Two Israelis:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/31/world/main4694251.shtml
I expect to see more of these stories this week.
Takes a Dane to attack the Israelis while the Palestinians cower. Typical.
.You, on the other hand, cower behind the anonymity of the internet to post hatred and bigotry. Congratulations.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
It wasn't a native Dane who carried out the shooting against the Israeli relailers. It was an Arab who lives in Denmark.
I don't see religion, I don't see race, I only see arrogant thugs that cripple, burn, maim and kill the innocent. I don't care what God anyone thinks has ordained them as chosen over any other human being. I don't care if anyone thinks their political status gives them the right to murder children; those that do are nothing but scum.
Israel was given an opportunity to be a place of peace, maybe a beacon of sorts, a place where a long history of Jewish suffering could be healed, a place of reconciliation and transformation. Instead it is continuing to act as an arrogant, brutal nation. It could care less about world opinion. It thinks it is acting in it's own self interest but in reality it is planting the seeds of it's own destruction.
Israel has spent whatever sympathy capital it had. It's now a rogue state that the world despises.
What would you do if someone would have fired 7,000 rockets, not to mention mortar bombs, on your house over a period eight years?
"a place of reconciliation and transformation" you say? "an opportunity to be a place of peace"???
.Well, if those "7000" rockets had failed to kill more than a tiny number of people I guess I would act in a rational and sane fashion, limiting my retaliation to humane boundaries. I would have treated the people of Gaza with respect and dignity, allowing food and medicines to arrive there, aiding them with jobs as well. Thus I would have swayed the majority of those people to insist that their own radicals cease and desist from engaging in provocative, and mostly harmless, attacks while a real and lasting peace was achieved.
Thanks for asking. The truth, which you studiously avoid like the plague itself, is that there are two villains to this piece, the militant wing of Hamas and the nation of Israel.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
And by the way, where the hell is the great leader of change, Mr Barack Obama? Is this what we can expect from him? Silence?, as Israel imprisons one and a half million people, starves them, deprives them of medicine, then bombs them?
In the name of the god that I don't believe in may this new year of 2009 allow Israel to see that replicating the actions of Nazi Germany will not be a solution to her difficulties.
Forced reminders dropped into the western media of the holocaust, blood libels, the timeless persecutions, Anne Frank, kystalnacht, and the rest, now only serve to remind the world of just how vile the new Israel is, and that it has remembered everything and learned nothing.
Ulpian, your final eight words ring loud and clear!
Those who are leading Israel are clearly deranged. Eventually Israel will pay a terrible price for its continuing vileness!
They aren't my words I'm afraid, they were first applied to the French Bourbons at the time of the restoration, but they apply here perfectly. Israel has consumed any pity it once had for the plight of the Jews and has now created an abiding hatred amongst peoples who previously had no theological or racial axe to grind.
January the first, and nothing at all to celebrate. We sit in sorrow, all of us.
Israelis are criminal horde of usurpers on the loose with “Book of Fairytales for the dispossessed” in one hand and “Hollywood's Propaganda Manual” in other.
Well said, Pasek007, I couldn't agree more.
Israel rejects cease-fire. Israel calls up 2,500 more reservists bringing the total number to 9,000. IDF tanks are massed on the edge of the Gaza Strip. The Press have been excluded. 400 Palestinians killed thus far and 1,600 wounded. Only 4 Israelis killed.
This is Israel's answer to protesters across the world.
Jenin Mark2 is about to begin only this time there are 1.5 million Palestinians in a cage with no exit and no real defense against the fanatics in the world's forth strongest army.
A catastrophe is unfolding, a major genocide.
STOP ISRAEL!
www.dangerouscreation.com
Israel rejects a one sided cease-fire. (The French proposal) which suggested Israel to stops attacking the Hamas for 48 hours while the Hamas continues to shell Israel.
Some of the killed Palestinians were killed by the Hamas. (At least 10, 2 Palestinian girls, and 8 people who were murdered because they were suspected in cooperation with Israel)
The different in the casualties’ statistics is because the IDF is better equipped and not because the Hamas is extra careful not to hurt Israelis.
The Hamas knows exactly what they have to do to get a cease-fire. They must stop shelling Israeli civilians.
STOP THE HAMAS.
"My you acts on me as I act on it". Martin Buber
Dear Anais Nin and nahida,
Hootowl doesn't want me to ask the follwing question repeatingly, so why don't you just answer it, so I won't have to ask it again and again and again and again, and bore Hootowl to death?
So here it is. Hopfully, this time you'll respond and by thus finally allow Hootowl to continue with his life.
Are you ready? Here it comes:
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Any thoughts about the Hamas firing tockets and mortar bombs into Israeli civilian targets?
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.Oh stop with the crap, Letto, and the name is Ardee.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Letto,
Occupied people resist. It is their moral imperative and right. No ill will Sir, but this question I've seen you posit endlessly is easily answered. Once again, occupied people resist, by right.
Now I've seen you quote something saying Palestine is not occupied.
It is kind of a box Zionists are in morally, eh? But not necessary. It is time for a two-state solution. A breath of life to the Palestinians and a respite to Israel as well. Does she not notice the discord?
Does it touch your heart?
Let us see it end.
NO! It is NOT time for a two state solution! Haven't you seen the maps that show the expansion of the territory of Israel from 1946 to 2008? The Zionists have taken nearly the whole of Palestine. A two party state would allow the Israelis to expell any Palestinians who have managed to stay in their homeland.
The world must support a ONE STATE solution. One SECULAR state, where all citizens have the same rights and responsibilities.
No where on earth should we have a nation that only allows persons of one religion to be full citizens. The Pope does not say every person in the Vatican must be Catholics. The Mormons do not require all citizens of Salt Lake City to be Mormons.
Before we move to create that one secular state, the United States must end all financial aid to Israel. Not only are the Israelis committing war crimes against Palestine, they acted the same way to the United States when they attacked the USS Liberty. Israel is not our ally. God did not give them that land---they took it by military force.
"They took that land by military force" Well of course! ALL land was ripped off. To endlessly bemoan this becomes part of the circle.
wantrealdemocracy: "No where on earth should we have a nation that only allows persons of one religion to be full citizens."
I agree with that statement.
In Israel there is a freedom of religion as it should be: 20% of Israeli citizents are Muslims, 4% are Christians.
In the Arab world, there are less than 5,000 Jews. (In 1948 there were about a million, 99.5% of them were ethnicly cleansed).
In Jordan, even today, selling land to a Jews is a crime panishable by death.
In some other M.E countries, the crime of converting from Islam to any other religion is punishable by death.
Gaza is not occupied. (Unless you consider the Hamas rule as Occupation).
If you don't believe me, check the link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_unilateral_disengagement_plan
Also, even assuming that Gaza is under occupation (which it isn't) occupation (Imaginary or not) is not an excuse for war crimes and crimes against humanity against a civilian population.
(I hope you are not claiming that the Israeli kindergarten which was hit in Beer-Sheva is part of the Occupation force)
There is not much to say that has not been said before, this game is just like a rerun of a horror flick that always seems to follow you around. All you can do is change the channel, the TV won't listen to our protests to stop showing this stupid show.
Change seems to be Obama saying the same things Bush was saying. Different look, thats all.
Besides here on Common Dreams and a few other sites like this one, where are all the American voices of compassion and peace?
Oh right, I forgot . . . this is Bowl Week.
Dear all
Please, before attacking and condemning Hamas, would you please have a look ate this
It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
Marvelous propagandas work...
Take the most horrific, and yes those were gut wrenching photos, of Israeli attacks and match them up to the most harmless images one can find of Hamas attacks.
I will say a mistake was made, see they showed that classroom scene and that was a mistake b/c Hamas was just lucky the class was empty when their rocket hit it or otherwise there could have been 50 dead Israeli children. Or is it your opinion that Israel must wait until one of those rockets does blow up a classroom of students b/c it can respond?
Also where are the images of the newer and more powerful rockets that can travel more than 25 miles?
Oh that right we can't show them for that would incriminate Hamas...
Steelgray.
Let me say what I think alot of posters are feeling right now, "your a fucking idiot"
turn off your computer and go to bed.
I will be heading out shortly as it is, Happy New Year.
As far as my comment and your quite rude response i can only say find some one who cares...
Funny though that you seem to believe Hamas doesn't engage in propaganda...
By the way i wanted to add that many of those pictures, those upsetting pics, were of dead militants and while i mourn the loss of life for those men were someones husband or son or father i cannot stress enough that they were legitimate targets-its a war and soldiers die in war!
The images of children and civilians on the other hand is quite different, its a tragedy but a tragedy that Hamas instigated by rocket attacks.
You want to know the only way to stop Israel strikes...stop Hamas rocket strikes first.
.Or Israeli's could elect a sane government that would pursue peace with honest intent, stop embargoing humanitarian supplies and stop killing .....That would end the violence from Hamas forthwith.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin