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Constitution in Crisis, Candidates in Denial
Constitution Day has arrived without major statements from Democrat Barack Obama or Republican John McCain on the need to restore this country's commitment to the rule of law.
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader shows a copy of the U.S. Constitution during a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2008 with third-party candidates calling for greater inclusion of candidates beyond the Republican and Democratic majorities. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) In contrast, independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader's
campaign produced a video statement detailing his commitment to
constitutional renewal.
Here's Nader's video, in which he says, "You and I cannot turn our backs on the Constitution, as the two parties have done."
Even more powerful is the statement made by Senator Russ Feingold, the Wisconsin Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee's Constitution subcommittee, at the opening of Tuesday's hearing -- which Obama and McCain should have attended -- on how to repair the damage done by the Bush-Cheney administration to the system of checks and balances and our fundamental liberties.
Decrying the administration's record as a "shameful legacy that will haunt our country for years to come," Feingold declared that America needs to "get started right away on this immense and extremely important job of restoring the rule of law."
The Wisconsinite pondered seeking the Democratic nomination for the presidency this year but instead backed Barack Obama.
Would that Obama was speaking up as Feingold is on the Constitution.
Here's the Constitution subcommittee chair said in his call to action:
Tomorrow, September 17, is the 221st anniversary of the day in 1787 when 39 members of the Constitutional Convention signed the Constitution in Philadelphia. It is a sad fact as we approach that anniversary that for the past seven and a half years, and especially since 9/11, the Bush Administration has treated the Constitution and the rule of law with a disrespect never before seen in the history of this country. By now, the public can be excused for being almost numb to new revelations of government wrongdoing and overreaching. The catalogue is breathtaking, even when immensely complicated and far reaching programs and events are reduced to simple catch phrases: torture, Guantanamo, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, warrantless wiretapping, data mining, destruction of emails, U.S. Attorney firings, stonewalling of congressional oversight, abuse of the state secrets doctrine and executive privilege, secret abrogation of executive orders, signing statements. This is a shameful legacy that will haunt our country for years to come.There can be no dispute that the rule of law is central to our democracy and our system of government. But what does ‘the rule of law' really mean? Well, as Thomas Paine said in 1776: ‘In America, the law is king.' That, of course, was a truly revolutionary concept at a time when the King, quite literally, was the law.
Over 200 years later, we still must struggle to fulfill Paine's simply stated vision. It is not always easy, nor is it something that once done need not be carefully maintained. Justice Frankfurter wrote that law:
is an enveloping and permeating habituation of behavior, reflecting the counsels of reason on the part of those entrusted with power in reconciling the pressures of conflicting interests. Once we conceive ‘the rule of law' as embracing the whole range of presuppositions on which government is conducted . . ., the relevant question is not, has it been achieved, but, is it conscientiously and systematically pursued.
The post-September 11th period is not, of course, the first time that events have caused great stress for the checks and balances of our system of government. As Berkeley law professors Daniel Farber and Anne Joseph O'Connell write in testimony submitted for this hearing: ‘The greatest constitutional crisis in our history came with the Civil War, which tested the nature of the Union, the scope of presidential power, and the extent of liberty that can survive in war time.' But as legal scholar Louis Fisher of the Library of Congress describes in his testimony, President Lincoln pursued a much different approach than our current President when he believed he needed to act in an extra-constitutional manner to save the Union. He acted openly, and sought Congress's participation and ultimately approval of his actions. According to Dr. Fisher:
[Lincoln] took actions we are all familiar with, including withdrawing funds from the Treasury without an appropriation, calling up the troops, placing a blockade on the South, and suspending the writ of habeas corpus. In ordering those actions, Lincoln never claimed to be acting legally or constitutionally and never argued that Article II somehow allowed him to do what he did. Instead, Lincoln admitted to exceeding the constitutional boundaries of his office and therefore needed the sanction of Congress.... He recognized that the superior lawmaking body was Congress, not the President.
Each era brings its own challenges to the conscientious and systematic pursuit of the rule of law. How the leaders of our government respond to those challenges at the time they occur is, of course, critical. But recognizing that leaders do not always perform perfectly, that not every President is an Abraham Lincoln, the years that follow a crisis are perhaps even more important. And soon, this Administration will be over. So the obvious question is: ‘Where do we go from here?' I believe that one of the most important things that the next President must do, whoever he may be, is take immediate and concrete steps to restore the rule of law in this country. He must make sure that the excesses of this Administration don't become so ingrained in our system that they change the very notion of what the law is.
That, of course, is much easier said than done. It's not simply a matter of a new President saying, ‘Ok, I won't do that anymore.' This President's transgressions are so deep and the damage to our system of government so extensive that a concerted effort from the executive and legislative branches will be needed. And that means the new President will, in some respects, have to go against his institutional interests.
That is why I called this hearing - to hear from legal and historical experts on how the next President should go about tackling the wreckage that this President will leave. I've asked our two panels of experts who will testify to be forward-looking - to not only review what has gone wrong in the past seven or eight years, but to address very specifically what needs to be set right starting next year and how to go about doing it.
In addition to the testimony of the witnesses here today, I solicited written testimony from advocates, law professors, historians and other experts. So far we have received nearly two dozen submissions from a host of national groups and distinguished individuals. I want to thank each and every person who made the effort to prepare testimony for this hearing. You have done the country a real service.
All of this testimony will be included in the written record of the hearing, which I plan to present to the incoming Administration. The submissions we have received so far can be seen on my website at feingold.senate.gov. I hope that many of these recommendations, along with the testimony we will hear today, will serve as a blueprint for the new President so that he can get started right away on this immense and extremely important job of restoring the rule of law.



152 Comments so far
Show AllNot everyone who comments on CD is a Democrat. In fact, I suspect very few are. And none of us are idiots or retards. Save those words for the Armageddon crowd, praying feverishly for the world to come to an end, thinking they'll be sitting at the right hand of God who strangely resembles Cheesedick Cheney, right down to his stolen wealth and penchant for homicide. If that's Heaven, I'll take Limbo.
Exactly, Democrats should stop posting on CD and go to Democratic Underground, where the IQ level is in the double digits and their moronic posts about Obama being a progressive are welcome.
I for one welcome all, of whatever political stripe, to post here. Debate is healthy, and if done thoughtfully and honestly can change opinions.
Yes, the rule of law, but this must follow from a deep ingrained reverence for unalienable rights, the Laws of Nature, and the passion and responsibility to direct the course of human events forward, for an equitable and happy posterity.
In other words, it is the intent and spirit of the law that gives it its meaning, by and for which the letter of the law is then crafted and measured, and often reproved. The letter of law fails when it no longer honors its higher purpose and no longer communicates its greater pursuit (ie, becomes "just a goddam piece of paper"). That is what has happened here.
The law is prescription. Social integrity and moral health is the objective. You cannot honor the rule of law for law's sake alone. The law's higher purpose is what makes it significant, or not.
"Wise people, even though all laws were abolished would still lead the same life."
~Aristophanes
(ca. 450—385 BCE)
I personally think that Nader and McKinney appear to be excellent people but they will not be elected to the office of President of the United States in November. Senator McCain or Senator Obama will be the next (44th) President of The United States of America. "Obama bin Biden." By using that slur you showed that you are actually a McCain person. You could not possiblity be a Nader or McKinney supporter. I cannot imagine Nader or McKinney referring to their opponents in such a manner. You must have saw and liked the t-shirts at the Republican convention. I could be wrong but you seem to really have it in for Senator Obama.
The Consititution has the Founding Fathers' economic interests written all over it.
Charles Austin Beard [1874-1948] is widely regarded as one of the most influential American historians of the early 20th century. “The concept of the Constitution as a piece of abstract legislation reflecting no group interests and recognizing no economic antagonisms is entirely false. It was an economic document drawn with superb skill by men whose property interests were immediately at stake.”
Jackson Main [1917-2003, Academic and Historian]: “I had chosen to tackle Beard’s Economic Interpretation with the notion that Beard erred, but discovered that the secondary literature supported him, at least in general if not in detail.”
Howard Zinn: When economic interest is seen behind the political clauses of the Constitution, then the document becomes not simply the work of wise men trying to establish a decent and orderly society, but the work of certain groups trying to maintain their privileges, while giving just enough rights and liberties to enough of the people to ensure popular support. The American system is the most ingenious system of control in world history.
http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/3/24/3600602.html
I agree with Zinn. If you will check out the posts toward the botton, you will see that most people just do not take any of our civil liberties very seiously. They must have never had theirs infringed upon. But, never fear, soon we a will, if the duopoly continues..
Feingold held a brave and necessary hearing yestereday. C-SPAN chose not not broadcast it on cable tv. (I think most people arent interested, but should be. All they care about is the horse race-I mean, beauty pagent)Feingolday be the only memeber of hte Senate that , right now, give a damn about our civil liberties
I thin we need a constitutional convention. Too much of it is "out of date". Alot f it has been mis-interpreted, I belive. It was written ( I know , everyone knows) by landowning, rich white ,(mostly) christian men, who had no concern for the rights of others, or, it was simply a time in history, when, to suggest that ayone else had equal rights, was considered a travesty.
They should uphold the constitution, for now. Its he least they can do and the least we shoudl expect.
Yeah, let's get some Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, etc in on it. We need diversity. And none of them can be wealthy. Less likely to carve out specific economic protections that way.
A few ideas for the new Constitution:
-- Must address media as necessary to an informed citizenry.
-- Something has to be done about the Supreme Court as it presently and historically has issued rulings undermining the republic. (It also has occasionally supported it.)
-- Write a Department of Peace into the Constitution.
-- Close the "revolving door" and make regulatory agencies work for the people.
-- Get rid of lobbyists with bags of money. Level the field into an informing function.
-- Write into the Constitution that corporations are to be chartered, regulated, and (if necessary) ended when they are no longer in the public interest. (Debate about what is the "public interest" will take up a few weeks!)
-- Make political campaigns public and unfunded by private funds.
-- Ensure that the distribution of wealth doesn't exceed a certain range because beyond a certain point it is clear that it is deadly to representative democracy.
-- Make sure the money system is not based on debt and credit. Allow local currency as part of a wider decentralized system of government.
-- Devise official measuring tools that reflect real costs and real wealth against a standard of public, environmental, and civic health.
-- Retain the Bill of Rights, but revise it to reflect and protect liberties of the citizenry in current times.
Arry, great ideas for a new Constitution, which is sorely needed. The first is the most important. Until we wrest control of the media from the handful of transnational corporations that now control about 95 percent of the broadcasting Americans are exposed to, nothing else will change, and there will be no serious political change possible, except for the worse. The media conglomerates must simply be broken up and a new Public Broadcasting Charter created, with massively increased funding and decentralized programming. Funding of it also needs to be taken out of the hands of Congress and thus depoliticized.
http://www.freepress.net/node/29975
The Constitution is a rather undemocratic document. The Bill of Rights improves it. Nonetheless, right now I would be relieved if we followed some rule of law rather than the chaos in which the Executive bombs, invades, occupies, and spends hundreds of billions of dollars at will, the Legislative looks on, inert, and the Judiciary is increasingly populated with people who can't think.
It is fantasy to imagine we could get a new Constitution right now, but we can start critically imagining what would be in it as people have done here.
Joe
I know Ralph Nader will not win the election, but I will vote for him anyway. Many will question the futility of such action, "why throw away your vote?". For me it's a matter of conscience, and acting in ways that may not be mainstream, but that reflect my personal convictions. Those convictions range from the food I choose to eat, the products I buy, the transportation I use, etc. If the choices before me are Pepsi or Coke, I'll insist on water. If the choices are Burger King or McDonalds, I may decide to fast or eat an apple. So with voting, Nader reflects many of my personal convictions. It's either stay home and refuse to vote or I vote for Ralph. I'll feel a lot better, just like I do when I eat an apple instead of a whopper.
Nader and McKinney can't win because of Lesser Evilists and Dem Party Apologists, the cancer that's afflicting the nation right now.
They'll certainly guarantee a McCain victory, however, with 4 or 5% of the votes between the two of them, which will be a blessing in disguise for the left in America. The left will be energized and see Democrats for what they really are, Republicans in sheep's clothing.
REBELNOW: Yours is a position I can respect, respectfully and articulately presented.
Nancy's too , right?
I haqppen to agree, also. But the posts look pre-fasined. Am I missing soemthing here?
Its almost am identical post. Is it the same person?
I was wondering the same thing, hmmmm,
Hmmmm is right. I don't know who NancyH is. Maybe he/she was agreeing and embellishing my original post. It's plagiarism I say and it must stop! Actually I don't really care.
On TD, I starting seeing posts with my user name--I agreed with them, but , I thought, theyr'e not mine, and they arent relevant. I looked at the dates. Some a-hole hadnt even bothered to change the dates when they cross-posted me.
I looked at the nader website and didnt see it. So, I thought maybe it was one person , posting twice. Don't worry about it. Most people know better.
It gives one a jolt to look at it, thought, doesnt it? Hey--I said that! But not THERE!
At first I didn't care that the NancyH character plagiarized my post 20 minutes after I wrote it. I just came back from a long walk and realized that it really did bother me. The reason is that it created suspicion as to my sincerity, at least for some. wcdevins, for example, kindly complimented my original post, but then saw it as some Nader spin screw up after the NancyH post. I hope he/she responds and explains their intent, but if not, so be it. I'm just a guy trying to learn, to be sincere, funny at times, and hoping some how to make a difference.
Everyone knows now. I suspect NancyH was trying to make the post look "funny"--its probably someone on here. I dont want censorship, but the adolescent level of discourse on this one (hemorrhoids, retarded) it just ridiculous.
It was a good post. Thanks.
rebelnow,
I respect your choice - it is one I've exercised in the past.
While I have voted for Nader in the past, he is not running under any banner now, so I wonder why Nader and not the Green's McKinney. When I voted for Nader in 2000 he was running as a Green and the GP could have garnered national party status. This time, he's running as an indy and will realistically do nothing but siphon some votes, mostly from Obama. Again, I respect your choice and would defend your right to vote for whomever you want. I don't agree with it, but that's what freedom should be about. Even here on Common Dreams!
What I would like to see, for those voting third party, arguments for voting either for McKinney or Nader.
I've voted Nader last two elections, but this year I might go McKinney. I still support Nader 100% (and would prefer him) but would consider voting McKinney to build up the Green Party.
“Always vote for a principle, thought you vote alone, and you may cherish the sweet reflection that your vote is never lost.”
- JOHN QUINCY ADAMS (1767-1848) 6th President of the United States
When the choice is Pepsi or Coke and you insist on water, you get water. When the choice is Burger King or McDonalds and you choose to fast or eat an apple, no one forces a Big Mac down your throat. We have been gagging on Bush Burgers for long enough.
For all of you REAL Progressives, who live a progressive lifestyle, vote for Nader. But most people I know and have known that vote Nader, the only progressive thing they do is vote for Nader. They do not organize, or participate for 3.5 years, and then they use the "two heads of the same animal" response to any discussion. They feel proud of themselves that they are not part of the problem.
For all of you POSER Progressives, when you get into the voting booth vote for "the lesser" of your supposed two evils. Then work to get third, and fourth, party candidates into the 2012 debates, don't wait until June of 2012 to complain about the process again.
Obama and Biden are good people, their wives are good people too. Mcain, Palin and Mrs. Mcain are scary sickening people, isn't this obvious?
But our president said the Constitution is "just a piece of paper". Does that go for the Declaration of Independence too? Do we have to go back to being British subjects? Would they have us back?
Correction: He called it just a God-damned piece of paper! If that doesn't show utter contempt for the rule of law...!
We don't really have either a democracy or a Constitution at this point in time and American history.
I know Ralph Nader will not win the election, but I will vote for him anyway. Many will question the futility of such action, "why throw away your vote?". For me it's a matter of conscience, and acting in ways that may not be mainstream, but that reflect my personal convictions. Those convictions range from the food I choose to eat, the products I buy, the transportation I use, etc. If the choices before me are Pepsi or Coke, I'll insist on water. If the choices are Burger King or McDonalds, I may decide to fast or eat an apple. I choose CREDO for my telephone service provider, not A T & T or Verizon. With voting, Nader reflects many of my personal convictions. It's either stay home and refuse to vote or I vote for Ralph. I'll feel a lot better, just like I do when I eat an apple instead of a whopper, eating organic instead of big agribusiness pesticide ridden food, buy from small businesses -- and vote Nader. We must stop voting for corporate candidates if we ever want to see the change we say we want!! Stop supporting those who never do anything for working people.
How come this post and the one by rebelnow are almost identical? Anyone notice?
Oops...Busted! Maybe you can download it off a Nader1992 website...
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Funny wcdevis, busted hell. I wrote that just before I ran out the door earlier today. It originated from me own head, me own sincere thoughts. I don't know who NancyH is. Reveal thyself oh plagiarizer and confess thy theft of words! If you are agreeing with me, great, but why do so in a way that generates suspicion? Unless you are not agreeing and that was a way of sabotaging what I said.
REBELNOW - I've got no quarrel with you, and while I don't agree with you I respect your position and the way you presented it. I complimented you when I saw your comment originally, (it should still be up there), but then the same words showed up minutes later from another poster. I thought I'd been had, hence the "busted" note. The speed at which your post was plagarized made me suspicious that the original source was neither of you. Maybe you should find out who this NancyH is, she seems to be the one you have a beef with. As for myself, I hope we can continue to have a civil discussion even if we disagree. I've read other posts of yours and I recall them as articulate and thoughtful.
Just saw your new post where you say "I'm just a guy trying to learn, to be sincere, funny at times, and hoping some how to make a difference." That pretty much describes me as well [guess my "busted" backfired, as humor here so often does]. Apologies and good luck.
Thanks wc, I appreciate that. Good luck to you as well.
The problem with your strategy is that republicans will ALWAYS vote for their corporate candidate.
I live in Georgia which not only is as red as a state can be but also uses Diebold's voting systems for 100% of its precincts. Obama (or any other non-republican candidate) couldn't win this state if both McCain died and Palin was arrested on the Monday before election day.
Putting it shortly, whether I vote for Obama or McKinney my vote won't count. Even so, I still take it seriously and will cast my ballot.
Please consider how you'll feel watching McCain and Palin taking their oaths of office next January.
q
Obama's color will be his downfall in the South and elsewhere. At a time when we should have been able to sweep any non-Republican, maybe even Nader, into office we are going to get another dimwitted Republican jackass. Are we having fun yet?
Since McCain will absolutely "win" in Georgia, why not vote for McKinney or Nader, as a way of helping us get a progressive majority in america over the next few decades? Just wondering...
I use CREDO, too. They have a website, and they give 1% (I know , not much, but better than AT&T)to charities you get to choose every year.
As far as "whoppers".....I'm just messing with yu. I'm probaly voting Third Party also. Obama is ahead in Ohio, now.
Excuse me Nancy but ah, what's up with repeating and embellishing my post? Seems we're on the same wave length anyway.
COSMOBILLY: Great post. (I agree.)
Does anyone disagree that both parties have been deathly silent on this issue, and therefore agree with the dismantling of our "a piece of paper".
"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be"
-- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
Not me. Tell Ralph and Dennis K to hold on to their pocket copies - they may be worth something on eBay soon. They are certainly not worth the paper they are printed on currently.
Nancy, I really appreciated your post with regards to your choice in the upcoming Presidential election. In my previous post I was attempting to understand why you (supporters of Nader)would vote for someone who will not and cannot win at this time. I am not an American but I realize everytime you as a nation select a President your selection has international consequences. I do not have the right to vote but I do have the right to be concerned. We all do.
With that said I must admit that your reasons for voting as you do based on deeply held principles are ones that I cannot or could not argue against. In your case you are voting in your best interests as opposed to voting against your best interests. In a perfect world that is how I expect we would all vote. The best of luck to you and your country.
Dante wrote : "In my previous post I was attempting to understand why you (supporters of Nader)would vote for someone who will not and cannot win at this time. I am not an American but I realize everytime you as a nation select a President your selection has international consequences. I do not have the right to vote but I do have the right to be concerned. We all do."
Not an American huh ! Then it is you who ought to know best that some of America's most heinous criminal acts committed abroad were perpetrated by Democrats.
1) Between 250,000 and 1 million people were murdered in Indonesia under a plot conceived and organized by the CIA and executed by the Indonesia Military under Sukarno in the mid 60s in the name of purging Communists. This was carried out during the Johnson Administration.
2) Johnson also used American Aircraft Carriers in the classic form of "Gun Boat Diplomacy" to put down a popular revolt in Brazil in the late 60s.
3) The plot to overthrow Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954 was CONCEIVED under the Truman Administration.
4) Harry Truman also made the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan against the advice of military leaders. Although it was not known to the public the fact WW II was in it's closing stages was known to Military and US Political Leaders. Despite that knowledge Truman committed the war crime.
5) Woodrow Wilson authorized the military invasion of Asiatic Russia in 1918 to disrupt and derail the Bolshevik Revolution. This despite the fact the revolution posed no threat to the US Territory. US History books have been expunged of this "affair" despite the loss of 100,000 US Soldiers.
6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt the guy Democrats like to coo and gush over for all of his New Deal social programs. Well FDR just so happened to be the Secreatry of the Navy under Wilson. Under that tenure FDR was charged with writing the Constitution of Haiti. FDR made sure that all of his Super Rich Cronies could keep their landing holdings in that Island Nation by putting a provision in that Constitution that afford foreigners the privelege of owning land. That provision plays an integral roll in ensuring the vast economic desparity that has lead to gut wrenching poverty in that country.
7) And lets not forget William Jefferson Clinton. During his tenure he enforced the UN Embargo on Iraq which UNESCO estimated cost the lives of half a million Iraqi Children. When questioned on the matter by US News Media US Secretary of State Madeline Albright had the temerity and gall to state that the loss of those lives "was worth the cost". That makes Albright and Clinton little more than Baby Killers.
And that is only the beginning ! For someone who makes him or herself out as "not an American" your ignorance of US History is Typically American. Trying to gussy-up the image of one Dominant Party to suit your purpose is the height of folly.
Both Dominant Political Parties are composed of Moral Degenerates and their candidates are drawn from that stock ! Ralph Nader may not be a saint but he is a heck of a lot better than Obama or McCain. Using the tired old bromide of "he doesn't have a chance" is nothing more than circular logic. Nader or any other 3rd Party will ever have a chance until the voters decide to give him a chance. And that starts with every vote !
We have been through this drill over and over and over again and until the voters change nothing changes. And that will happen when the voters realize Obama's and the Democrat's offer of a padded jail cell represents no change at all.
Dante September 17th, 2008 4:11 pm
"In my previous post I was attempting to understand why you (supporters of Nader)would vote for someone who will not and cannot win at this time."
May I suggest that you read the following article, I think it will answer your question.
Thanks in advance to USAn for providing the link
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/18836
Lobo Gris
The reason McCain and Obama don't mention the constitution is because both cast votes against it.
Dennis kucinich ----- Thomas Paine----- Ralph Nader
The metric for change in America is the amount/percent votes that third parties receive.When enough voters standing tall, with their moral convictions behind them, vote against rich/corporate rule we can organize and form a third party that is not all over the place on issues.
That means that I am not throwing my vote away but standing with many others against the polices of Dems and repubs. With each election cycle we get something...more people who stand with us.When we are large enough we take New York and then Berlin.
In the mean time does it really matter which of the two major parties professing exactly the same policies with mirco differences takes power?Both parties are like a bunch of ladies out to eat. When one's got to go to the restroom they all go. One says we need to pollute the ocean and drill and they all go for it. One says we got to go to war and they all have just got to go.So who do they serve? Not us, that's for sure.
Dear pinkshoelaces,
Find that I must disagree with you a bit. Granted that when one of the ladies at lunch has to go to the restroom, some, if not all may accompany her, but if one said we need to pollute the ocean or drill or go to war, I can't help feeling that most, if not all, would say "That's a TERRIBLE idea!"
tetti please! i voted for nader in 2000. if i'd known that would help w, i'd have stayed home. until this country understands real issues and how the lack of oversight and transparency caused these financial giants tanking the last few days, and realize we are all in this together, the divisive rants (like yours) will continue. folks, it's beyond time to work together for the good of all and our country!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08!
"if i'd known that would help w"
Did you live in Florida at that time? I've only heard of Nader "costing" Gore the election in that state, though some people speak of a 3rd-party vote as being dangerous anywhere.