WASHINGTON - The Bush administration's top two officials in Iraq answered questions from Congress for more than six hours on Monday, but their testimony may have been as important for what they didn't say as for what they did.
A chart displayed by Army Gen. David Petraeus that purported to show the decline in sectarian violence in Baghdad between December and August made no effort to show that the ethnic character of many of the neighborhoods had changed in that same period from majority Sunni Muslim or mixed to majority Shiite Muslim.
Neither Petraeus nor U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker talked about the fact that since the troop surge began the pace by which Iraqis were abandoning their homes in search of safety had increased. They didn't mention that 86 percent of Iraqis who've fled their homes said they'd been targeted because of their sect, according to the International Organization for Migration.
While Petraeus stressed that civilian casualties were down over the last five weeks, he drew no connection between that statement and a chart he displayed that showed that the number of attacks rose during at least one of those weeks.
Petraeus also didn't highlight the fact that his charts showed that "ethno-sectarian" deaths in August, down from July, were still higher than in June, and he didn't explain why the greatest drop in such deaths, which peaked in December, occurred between January and February, before the surge began.
And while both officials said that the Iraqi security forces were improving, neither talked about how those forces had been infiltrated by militias, though Petraeus acknowledged that during 2006 some Iraqi security forces had participated in the ethnic violence.
Both officials said they believed that Iraq was on the path to potential success. Petraeus said that "the military objectives of the surge are, in large measure, being met." Crocker was similarly optimistic: "In my judgment, the cumulative trajectory of political, economic and diplomatic developments in Iraq is upwards, although the slope of that line is not steep."
They both pleaded for more time, even as Petraeus said that the U.S. should begin pulling troops out, with the goal of being back to the pre-surge level of 130,000 troops by next July. Further reductions would be considered next spring, as conditions allow, he said.
Both men celebrated their plan's success in encouraging residents in once-restive Anbar province to work with U.S. troops against al Qaida in Iraq.
Petraeus conceded that that success didn't extend to Ninevah province, where progress "has been much more up and down." But he didn't say that many believe that al Qaida numbers increased there only after the surge began. Ninevah is where some of the largest bombings of the year occurred, including the attack on the Yazidis, which killed more than 300.
He also offered a tepid endorsement of the Iraqi security forces, at times saying that they were increasingly capable of defending Iraq, while conceding that they needed to show more progress.
"Iraqi security forces have also continued to grow and shoulder more of the load, albeit slowly and amid continuing concerns about the sectarian tendencies of some elements in their ranks," Petraeus said. "In general, however, Iraqi elements have been standing and fighting and sustaining tough losses, and they have taken the lead in operations in many areas."
He said 445,000 people were on the security forces' payroll, but didn't discuss that many officials believe that thousands of those don't actually exist, but are phantoms whose salaries actually go into ministry officials' pockets.
Both Iraqis and U.S. officials concede that militias have infiltrated the security forces and that political leaders continue to interfere with their operations to serve their sects' interests.
Petraeus presented a series of maps to show how sectarian violence had dropped in Baghdad from December 2006 to August 2007. But all of the maps showed the same color-coding for Sunni, Shiite and mixed neighborhoods, even though the ethnicity of many neighborhoods have shifted dramatically over the previous year. U.S. military officials say that Baghdad was once 65 percent Sunni and is now 75 percent Shiite.
Questions from the 107 members of Congress who sat in on the hearing rarely produced more detail.
Still, the two men, considered by many to be among the most capable U.S. public servants to have served in Iraq, didn't attempt to hide their reservations. Both said they couldn't guarantee success.
Crocker, a fluent Arabic speaker and a lifelong student of the area, questioned the U.S. criteria for measuring success and said that the Iraqi government might never meet most of the 18 benchmarks laid out by Congress in a May law. Petraeus, who wrote the Army's counterinsurgency manual, acknowledged that violence remained at unacceptable levels.
Independent observers said the numbers that Crocker and Petraeus provided showed the violence has dropped to about where it was in May 2006, a few months after a February 2006 bombing of a revered Shiite shrine in the mostly Sunni city of Samarra, which the military uses to mark the rise in sectarian violence.
"At best, what you've got is the status quo from May or June of 2006," said Kirk Johnson, who served for 13 months as the chief statistician for Crocker and who said he supports the current strategy in Iraq.
Rand Beers, a former White House counterterrorism aide who resigned to protest the invasion of Iraq, noted there was another troop surge, in Baghdad, in summer 2006.
"We've had two surges, and in a way, things are back to the level before the first surge," Beers said in a conference call with reporters.
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard said that it was understandable that Petraeus emphasized the positive.
"He's a human being and he's a military human being that wants to accomplish the mission," Gard said.
Youssef reported from Washington, Fadel, from Baghdad. Warren P. Strobel in Washington contributed.
© 2007 McClatchy Newspapers
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Show AllFunny....what if the US gives all rights for Iraq to the Israelis so we can go after Iran. (Just to make the pain sting a little harder.)
I love it! Funny Shakker! So, I go to look at the sudan report on hrw.org I says the sudan problem has been about getting all the people off the land so companies can drill for oil. It says the problem of drilling in populated areas has been going on since the 80's. It also says the government has given weapons to militias it has granted impunity for their work at killing the people in the areas it wants and raping the girls and boys (and livestock, sic) and selling them to other countries as slaves(the children, but maybe the livestock).
Sudan is about oil too!
Imagine... with all that land...Iran must have a lot of oil!
I think we as people are being subjugated by the wealthy elite and must get all people together and in a like mind to fight this war against these corporations. These guys have power like you would never know, everything you have ever purchased has oil in it. Down to the bag you put your veggies in at the grocer, "bottled" water. Everything! They have control, and it must end. The democrapers wont do much for you now.
Sometimes it seems like the negative ones among us are winning, but they are simply going the easy route. The peacemakers will continue to call for peace, and to resist because to drop ones' guard and give in to hopelessness would be extinction for our species. The hawks should send us flowers.
See the pretty dress! Gaze at the stiletto heels! Check out those seams on the stockings!
Wow! that corset really enhances the figure! Check out the color of the lipstick!
Well of course if you focus on the fact that it is a pig in a dress you ruin the whole thing.
ron dass,
No, he said, "Blessed are the cheesemakers."
Author, Fahoud Ajami, was a guest on CNN yesterday and said the U.S. is building a base near the Iranian border and that we will be in Iraq indefinately.
Meanwhile, more of our troops and more Iraqis will be killed and our Federal debt will skyrocket by the $$Trillions while the top one percent in this country who own 90 percent of the wealth will continue to get their $$millions and $$billions in tax breaks.
Do you remember early on when George Bush said, "we all must sacrifice" during a war? I guess these massive tax breaks prove that this isn't a war but an occupation; otherwise, the super-wealthy would also be sacfificing according to George Bush.
RESCIND all tax breaks to the wealthy!
But here was the real kicker:
"(Petraeus) said 445,000 people were on the security forces' payroll, but didn't discuss that many officials believe that thousands of those don't actually exist, but are phantoms whose salaries actually go into ministry officials' pockets."
Will our troops be able to "stand down" once the phantoms "stand up?"
9/11 as Groundhog Day: Bush saw Petraeus' shadow and declared another year of war.
Nancy Pelosi declared skepticism and doubt are "off the table" regarding Petraeus and Crocker testimony.
Presidential Candidates spoke against the war before supporting it.
The General said he didn't understand the strategic objective; he said he hasn't thought about it, that's not what he does.
Senator Warner suggested he listen to the President's upcoming speech.
Isn't the truth that there is no strategic objective? And that everyone knows that there is no strategic objective?
They also didn't mention that our military is "almost broken," according Powell in December, 06, and many, many others in the know since a year before that.
Question: how will we know when "almost broken" becomes broken? Do troops mutiny en masse? Start fragging each other? What are the benchmarks and metrics used to define broken - when recruiters set up shop at prisons?
Of course, based on the fact that Cheneybush lie about absolutely everything, "almost broken" surely means already shattered.
The Petraeus moment is a crock, a subterfuge to allow continued occupation, theft, killing. What a damn shell game.
he also forgot to add that the US is Israels bitch.....
I mean it is just purely obvious the people in the Middle East are sitting ducks and in doing as such we are the one's that is going to get hurt in the end. What goes around comes around.
All the options have been tried and failed. Maybe it is time to give the true power of the universe a chance! It can't hurt correct?
Instead of getting caught in all this negativity which is perpetuating think.....PEACE! Don't only think it.....act on it and feel it!
1 more year? If one doesn't believe in God, you might want to give it another shot!
Bush and his advisors are stupid as they failed to advise Bush not to fly to Iraq furtively to see the General. Any half brain would know that Bush went there to tell him what he expected of him to include in his upcoming report.
Bush could not have e-mailed the General, neither could he have spoken to him over the phone, since both could be tracked and used as evidence. But there was a better way. He could have sent one of his minions as emissary to relay his message, thus:
BUSH CALLING PETREUS: Hi Dave, it's me, George. How's it going? Hey, Dave, I'm gonna send Joe Blow to talk to you. See you soon, and take it easy. Bye now.
In the unlikely event that Joe Blow one day wanted to write a book to come clean, and make a lot of money in the process, they would have simply called him a liar and discredited him.
Weatherwise a storm "surge" is generated by a lot of blowing hot air which usually does a great deal of damage.
Some Republicans have attacked those who have critiqued the General Petraeous testimony
Why were they silent during the unprecedented vicious character assassinations against Senator Max Cleland a decorated triple amputee Viet Vet with an honorable senate record, because he sponsored an investigation into the causes of 9/11 which was opposed by Bush, who used his status to avoid real military service by joining a champagne unit at our expense. Remember they displayed his picture with Osama Bin Laden and even said he should have not stepped on the mine.
The most disturbing aspect of that horrific event is that it worked. Senator Cleland was replaced by a person who avoided military service and was friendly to Bush's energy cartel.
"...Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard said that it was understandable that Petraeus emphasized the positive.
'He's a human being and he's a military human being that wants to accomplish the mission,' Gard said."
Right, his opinion counts; but, you can't count on his views to be the final say on the success of "the surge". That shouldn't make any sense to either side of the issue. His is just one of many reports that need to be weighed on this issue. Otherwise, it's just the same as the "cherry picking" that went on in the lead up to this war.
To ARA Charleston: What do you mean, Darfur has no oil? Oil IS the reason those people are being murdered and driven out. The oil corporations haven't sunk the wells yet. But the seismographs say there is oil aplenty hundreds of feet down. China has a big interest in it. And certain US multi-national corporate interests are wound up with China. As to Iraq, Bush and his cohorts are holding our troops hostage. By creating crisis after crisis for our men and women on the front lines, Bush, etal are assured that the Congress will continue trying to ransom their safety. Listen to Biden saying that he can't vote to cut the funding because it would cause the deaths of more of our people. The only way to halt this is to impeach the criminals responsible.
thanks turnbull and navaire, reminded me of a song by XTC.
"Generals And Majors"
Generals and Majors ah ah
they're never too far
from battlefields so glorious
out in a world of their own
They'll never come down
till once again victorious
Generals and Majors always
seem so unhappy 'less they got a war
Generals and Majors ah ah
like never before are tired of being actionless.
Calling
Generals and Majors everywhere
Calling
your World War III is drawing near
Generals and Majors ah ah
They're never too far
away from men who made the grade
out in a world of their own
They'll never come down
until the battle's lost or made
Generals and Majors ah ah
like never before, are tired of being in the shade.
Like many songs from the 1980's, they are still relevent today, maybe even more so.
Mission Accomplished.......More Bullshit, half truths and lies. "And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on"
and that' my final word on the subject.
This is what it's all about, and continues to be since Butler's time: making the world safe and pliant for the transnational corporations under the guise of freedom/democracy/security. The following quote is from Major General Butler.
"War is a racket. Our stake in that racket has never been greater in all our peacetime history. It may seem odd for me, a military man, to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent 33 years and four months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force - the Marine Corps...
"I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903...
"Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents."
Marine Corps Major General Smedley D. Butler.
Twice wounded in action and twenty times decorated,
Smedley Butler was also one of the few Americans
to be twice awarded the Congressional
Medal of Honour.
What I can't understand is why we started a situation that will turn into genocide instead of going where we are needed - Darfur - to stop a genocide. Oh, Saddam may have had WMDs and so he was a potential threat, oh no, big deal. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE SUDAN IS SPONSORING MILITIA-STYLE KILLERS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Genocide. Why are we not sending all our troops there to stop it?
Oh yeah, no oil in Darfur.
Genaral BetryUs from USSA.
To tmbluesbflat: Come to think of it, didn't Prescott Bush & Company support Nazi Germany, and for handsome profits too????
Vote for John Edwards for our next president. Vote all the senators and congressmen and women that are in office now....OUT and let's begin a new government..for the people and by the people.
I have this uneasy feeling when gangsters like this "discuss" things everybody but the is an insurgent in an insurgency etc. This is the worst kind of censorship, wash the language of words like "patriot" "revolutionary" manufacture things crafted to appear benign about your own forces, even go to lengths to cover up. The minute these type of things occur you know that it is the villians doing it. All of this so called reporting is all propaganda made to justify murder on a massive scale. The folks at home mainly think an insurgent is some thing from another planet, not a hero in a defense of a country being murdered by a Giant power robbing them of there natural resources and murdering any possible reprecussions now or in the future, NAZI GERMANY AND HITLER EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT
Just what is it about " A never ending war on terror" that you didn't understand? No need to blame Petraeus.
Who really expected Petraeus and Crocker to say anything other than they did? Peter Pace contradicted the official line ("We don't believe there is any official involvement by the Iranian government with these IED's") and now he is gone or invisible.
As long as the congressmen of both parties continue to support it, the really desperate efforts to keep Iraq and its oil will continue. Progress towards these goals is actually measured in the number of Iraqis that have left their country as refugees. When the Iraqi population left in the country gets down to a more manageable twenty to thirty percent or so of the original numbers, (Iraqi groups that give up on fighting or are mainly connected with the oil industry), the US oil-energy addiction will consider itself to have succeeded in achieving the original goals of the invasion. Of course this will take many years of more butchery, torture, mis-treatment and war-inspired religious and ethnic conflict. But the congress are cheering them on because that's the "real" progress. As a bonus, Syria and Iran get to be burdened with most of the refugees in crowded camps, where they can be conveniently be bombed in the next phase.
Although Betrayus mentioned token troop withdrawls, he did not mention that for every enlisted man or woman that is withdrawn from Iraq, BushCo will send at least one contract military worker to Iraq. The more privatized personnel they send to Iraq, the more taxpayer money gets in to the hands of the military industrial complex and the more senators and congressional representatives they can own.
You can bet that Betrayus' testimony will result in lots of opportunity to be an executive and serve on boards of miltary vendors after he retires.
Things have been done to reduce violence. We segragated communities and turned security over to their militias. (insurgents)
We are talking about a reduction in killing here, not rebuilding the infrastructure and communities.
Right, and the Lobsters don't feel a thing when you drop them in the hot water.
What happened to that other General who supposedly is overseeing the war - Lute (I think is his name)? Where the hell is he in this fiasco? Why is he not testifying (I know this ought to be a rhetorical question)?
What they didn't say was. "This pre-prepared statement written by some idiot speech writer in the White House, is a bunch of pure bull shit"
To get a donkey to walk you hang a carrot in front of it's face. The donkey is too stupid to realize that no matter how long it walks it will never get to the carrot.
For us the 'carrot' becomes baseless comments like:
"Showing steady improvement"
"If we left now we would lose all the ground we gained"
"If we leave there will be genocide"
"We can start to bring troops back soon"
"They will follow us here"
"Iraqi forces are in the fight"
"This is a fight we MUST win"
etc. etc. etc.
Here's the carrot you stupid American. Keep walking...
Canuckchuk, good thinking I'll join your school.
General Betrayus is from the same school of honesty as Colin "anthrax vial" Powell of UN Iraqi Mobile WMD labs-remote flying WMD dispenser-"we know where the WMD are" fame.
When JESUS comes looking for the peace makers where will he find them, pray tell.
Never seek the advice on peace making of the war makers,talk to the peace makers.You would not go to a bar tender for advice on stoping people from drinking. Betrayus is not about healing people his job is planing how to best to kill people,for that I would seek his advise. When will the Petagon enough to killing 5,000, 7,000 or 52,000 as in Vietnam of our own yung men?
" Still, the two men, considered by many to be among the most capable U.S. public servants to have served in Iraq, didn't attempt to hide their reservations. Both said they couldn't guarantee success."
Liars, frauds and hypocrites. No one believes them. What are we doing in Iraq but playing out the disastrous end-game and failed idiocy of a capitalist plot to steal oil for our lazy, obese population of SUV owners?
An honest assessment by these two would have been: FAILURE due to mission fraud.
The corruption, lies, and destruction appear to be set for the foreseeable future. It's equally disgusting to hear H. Clinton and Obama and the Repukelican candidates say "we're going to be in Iraq for a long time, it's complicated, we're going to have to have a significant troop presence there for awhile.." etc. When is the media going to start pointing out the holes in this huge pile of stinky cheese. We are there for the oil, the oil, the oil, and to have military bases there, in the heart of the middle east. We have invaded a country with no reason and without provocation, and now we are occupying the country. This isn't defense, it is offense. These same political leaders were saying themselves a couple years ago, "we are not going to occupy Iraq, we are only 'liberating' it from a ruthless dictator." Well now we are occupying it, and they are bracing the US population for continued occupation of Iraq. liars liars liars liars liars liars liars kill kill kill kill the American way I guess.
The fact that we did not get the facts as they are but,as Gen.Gard said,we got a feel good story because Gen.Petraeus is human and wants to win is a betrayal of his duties as a leader of men in combat.He went political instead.He went with the C of C instead of the Constitution. Tony