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'Indignant' Protests to Sweep Across World
MADRID — "Indignant" protesters, angered by a biting economic crisis they blame on politicians and bankers, vow to take to the streets worldwide Saturday in a protest spanning 71 nations.
A rally in Madrid's Puerta del Sol sparked a movement (AFP/File, Dani Pozo) It is the first global show of power by the protest, born May 15 when a rally in Madrid's central square of Puerta del Sol sparked a movement that spread nationwide, then to other countries.
As governments cut deep into welfare spending to try to trim huge sovereign debts, protests have grown and this weekend's demonstrations are being organized in Madrid, New York and around the world.
"United in one voice, we will let politicians, and the financial elites they serve, know it is up to us, the people, to decide our future," organizers said in a statement on http://15october.net/.
"We are not goods in the hands of politicians and bankers who do not represent us."
The organizers, relying heavily on Facebook and Twitter, say street protests will be held October 15 in 719 cities across 71 countries in Europe, North America, Latin America, Asia and Africa.
The protests first took hold in Spain, with a jobless rate of 20.89 percent, rising to 46.1 percent for 16-24 year olds, where activists built ramshackle camps in city squares including Puerta del Sol.
Then they spread to Europe, finding strong backing in crisis-hit countries like Greece, and then worldwide -- last month reaching the center of global capitalism in Wall Street.
In Madrid, Saturday's protest will end in Puerta del Sol, still the spiritual center of the overwhelmingly peaceful protests even though the protest camp was dismantled in June.
Three marches will converge on the city's emblematic square of Cibeles at 6pm (1600 GMT) before proceeding to Puerta del Sol for assemblies lasting through the night.
The Occupy Wall Street protest, which started September 17 with a camp of several hundred people in a small square in the New York financial district, has also struck a powerful chord among US media and politicians.
Organizers called a rally in Times Square for 5 pm (2100 GMT), saying they would be at the center of the international protests.
Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, predicted Wednesday the Wall Street demonstrations, which bring thousands of people together for marches, would one day spell the downfall of the West.
"This movement will soar to completely mark the downfall of the West and the capitalist regime," he said.
Anger over unemployment and opposition to the financial elite are common themes in the otherwise disparate movement.
But while Spain's protesters have specific demands such as attacking unemployment by cutting working hours and imposing compulsory retirement at 65, others are focused on protesting existing conditions.
The outlook for the "indignants" is not clear.
French economist Thomas Coutrot, co-head of the ATTAC movement seeking alternatives to market-ruled policies, said the indignant movement had a healthy "allergy" to being represented by any person or group.
"But it is true that it is not easy to build a movement without a representative," he added.
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Show All"But it is true that it is not easy to build a movement without a representative,"
Shouldn't be too hard for the American public. They've have plenty of practice. Their entire so-called "republic" has been operating without any real popular representation in its governance for years.
At least the Occupy Wall Street movement shows some signs of direct democracy. Not ideal structurally, perhaps, but far better than the alternative.
The extensive growth of the movement in the nation that is the hub of global corporate control of government is a major milestone toward reaching a turning point in eliminating corporate control of governments.
RV, at some point, hopefully soon, and based on serious consideration in their General Assemblies, some of these brave Occupy and "Indignant" protest movements will conclude that while they do not need or want a 'representative' they do need to identify the underlying and guileful common enemy of their hopes, goals, and demands. --- And when that day comes they will, unlike Pogo not say, "We have met the enemy and they is us", but rather they will have figured out that "We have met the enemy, and they is the corporate/financial/militarist global Empire, which controls all our former countries by hiding behind the facade of multi-party "Vichy" regimes in each former nation-state ---- just as the Nazi Empire's wannabe global empire hid behind the facade of 'Vichy' France."
Best luck and love to Occupy and Indignant in understanding the common global Empire before it undermines their brave and non-violent cause,
Alan MacDonald
Liberty & democracy
over
violent/Vichy
empire
This is the most promising event in our lifetime. The global community has learned to understand other people's frustration of being held down by the oppressive grip of governments.
It is time to think family, the human family, members of the family of Life.
Buck, get a grip, yourself. --- When you say, "The global community has learned to understand other people's frustration of being held down by the oppressive grip of governments", you really need to understand that all people who are being held down --- including those that are being starved and murdered --- may be most visibly oppressed by "governments" as you say, BUT the real oppressor, torturer, and killer of people WHICH MERELY WORKS THROUGH THE GOVERNMENTS IT CONTROLS is the corporate/financial/militarist global EMPIRE!
Buck, you are sounding a bit too much like a Tea Party potted plant (not the flowering kind, but the provocateur kind) when you say "held down by the oppressive grip of governments" --- and by implication are shifting the blame from EMPIRE to the governments that this 21st century global EMPIRE guilefully controls through its modernized 'Vichy'/Nazi techniques.
Buck, if you are an honest CD poster who merely has not yet understood that the global Empire controls the governments, then get clue and get a grip on the truth, and stop pointing at governments --- and start pointing your finger at the real cancerous cause of all Occupy's issues, 'symptomatic problems', demands, and goals --- "Against the Empire" --- and not against the 'concept' of democratic self-government of people.
Yes, we must recapture the concept and the dream of self-government --- which Occupy is doing very well --- but DON'T advocate killing 'government' itself, as that nut Grover Norquist and his fellow nut Ronnie Reagan did in saying, "Let's shrink government to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub".
It is the EMPIRE that is the target. Government is merely the human shield that EMPIRE holds up and lies about to prevent EMPIRE being identified as the under'lying' target of all our sorrows.
Buck, if you are an honest and empathetic CD humanist you should take this criticism as constructive and merely change the target of your justifiable ire to the EMPIRE, and if you are a half-sly troll intent on making governments the target to save the arse of global Empire, then you can take this criticism as pointed.
I don't know which you are and I will not attempt to judge by one post.
Best,
Alan MacDonald
Liberty & democracy
over
violent/Vichy
empire
Alan, my friend, no one is more aware of the Imperial state from which we suffer. No one has condemned the evils of capitalism more than I. We have had enough exchanges for you to understand that. I'm a little puzzled by this. In post after post, you rail against the sham vichy government, not capitalism, nor Imperialism, the advanced state of.
It is governments that control the weapons. Without the governments, what power would the capitalists have? Do the sheriffs that show up at people's doorsteps, eviction decrees in hand, have corporate logos or flags embossed on their shoulders? Do aircraft carriers fly flags with Mickey Mouse ears on it?
I do believe in smaller or no government. Did the tribes have governments or is this just semantics? Government should be closer to one's kitchen, same as food production. On this topic, size does matter. If the union were to dissolve, which state could rule the seas with their navy? Which state could sent armies to dominate people on other continents? Didn't you feel somewhat relieved when the ussr broke into pieces?
On a different vein, should one feel like a criminal for smoking pot because of the beliefs of the majority?
I chose a life of poverty because of my humanitarian beliefs.
How about you?
Do you support the Imperialists by paying federal taxes?
Now, consider how much weaponry you paid for.
Get off your pedestal and choose your targets better.
Mac's insight still stands. Government is just a tool. A tool. TOOL. Like a hammer, it can be used to perform useful work, or wielded as a weapon for murder. The hammer, itself, is blameless. Our enemy wishes to extinguish this tool, because life willautomatically revert to a rough neo-feudalism, in the absence of this tool (where they will thrive as oligarchs, and we will wither & perish as their serfs). Mac calls attention to the fact that it only matters WHOSE hand is on that tool; the hand of bought "agents of global bankster empire"(who wield that tool as a weapon against the people), or the hand of reps for "WE the people". We are the tool user/makers of the animal kingdom. The tool of government is our GREATEST invention. It is the MOST effective tool at promoting the general welfare, establishing justice and providing for the common defense. With these goals accomplished, the good life is achieved, for ALL life everywhere. This CANNOT happen without the tool of government. Size and composition can be re-designed as needed. Its' existence CANNOT be questioned. I think this clarifies the real issue, does it not?
No, not really. Government is not a necessity. There have been and still are cultures without governments. Greatest invention? Oh, boy! The tool of government has caused the greatest riffs in mankind and that includes religions. Feel free to vote for alan and his one man party.
The u.s. government has never been in the hands of "we the people" and I certainly would never be happy with one in the hands of a person who made such an outlandish response to such a simple and obviously well meaning post that praised the joining of the global community in the struggle to end oppression, perhaps as Lenin predicted.
And just so you know, other animals make and use tools.
It must be fall, because
nuts are everywhere.
What culture has no government that exists today?
"Government is just a tool. A tool. TOOL. Like a hammer, it can be used to perform useful work, or wielded as a weapon for murder. The hammer, itself, is blameless "
I agree with this.
Buck, thanks for your reply and honest answer.
I remain focused on the hidden Empire as our greatest causal concern regarding all 'symptom problems', but do not deny you your concerns about government being a possible cause of problems also.
I remember from my work directly for three Fortune 500 and one Global 500 firm, in addition to consulting gigs with several more, that I have never been in any senior decision making conference room without the statement being made: "This isn't any ___ing democracy".
As far as Empires are concerned, though I never worked for one, I am quite sure that the same sentiment pertains --- with perhaps rougher language, and physical response to any who question the guaranteed manner in which decisions are made.
So, Buck, while some governments can certainly be perverse and troublesome, there is at least the possibility of representation in the best of the cases.
Best,
Alan
Bite me hypocrite. While you scream about empire, using capital letters and everything, you work with them and support them financially with blood stained taxes, and have the gall to throw the troll word at me and call me a Tea Partier, because I dared to suggest that the global community was showing signs of shedding their nationalistic underpinnings and coming together in a common cause.
You have lost all credibility with me. Never again.
Sorry to have to point this out, but I can't help myself. You call this person a hypocrite while self-righteously claiming you "choose a life of poverty" . . . while you are posting on the Internet???
How does that mesh?
Shouldn't you get off the Internet -- product of capitalism -- and go toil in poverty?
I hate poverty. Having spent time in slums and favelas, no one can say the word poverty to me without making me physically nauseous.
So, the internet wouldn't be possible without capitalism? How about shoes and socks?
Buck, can you please point to a society or culture above the level of hunter/gatherers that has existed and flourished without a form of government? You can't point to the Native American tribes, they had government -- indeed, ours was influenced by the Iroquois and their Convention.
And I don't know many people besides very small numbers of hard core eco-anarchists who are really interested in reverting to a post-industrial tribalism, unless it becomes inevitable due to ecological and economic collapse. We also have a very complex industrial system in place across the globe, and to abandon it would be tantamount to ecocide. Consider our nuclear installations, and what would happen on a global scale if our capacity to manage them failed. Global meltdown. All dead. See ya.
I wish people would consider the reality of our situation, not just a utopian dream.
How about I point you to the nearest library.
One to two hundred millennia ago our black (for all modern humans) fore fathers and fore mothers brought forth upon the bright continent of Africa the greatest civlization, rule by the people, and humanity with a all for one and one all way of life which is the enry of all time, and this is documented by two British evolutionary psychologists, Andrew Whiten and David Erdal. European Caucssions aren't all stupid.
Today we are being tested as to whether that great civilzation so founded and so consecrated can long endure. We are met today on an international battle field where many have given their all. This world will little note nor long remember what we say today but it can never forget what these brave people risking all have done to preserve this great civilization against the onslaught of this one per cent gangster crowd.
Rule by the people, with civilzation, and humanity must preveil. We owe these brave souls that. No matter how long it may take the people of these now united nations will win through to complete and absolute victory-- no more Koch brothers, no more Murdochs, no more of any of these con artists, no more division of people "into owners and servants" as Erdal would say.
I agree with you. Take corporate influence, both domestic and multinational or any for-profit influence, and also take religious influence out of government, and out of media, and the people have a greater chance of controlling what the government does in their name. I don't believe we would have been in one tenth of the wars in history without religious and corporate influence. Empires are never the product of the people's will at the grass roots level. Individual will is whipped into a frenzy by nationalism and generally some sort of profit motive is behind the "false flag" of nationalism. I personally don't have an enemy except those who wish to enslave me by their greed or religious zeal.
EXACTLY SO. The struggle has always been WHOSE hand is on the tool of government; we the "99-ers", or the bought agents of the oligarchs. Someone here pointed out the influence of the six-nations confederation upon the U.S. government. That's correct. Use good ideas wherever they occur. No one has a monopoly on government of, by, for, the people. And it is the greatest invention of humanity. The problem is, as Mac always points out, empire and its' oligarchy of owner/rulers. Has always been the problem, world-wide, for thousands of years, in various guises and disguises. The only effective tool to fend off the threat of oligarchy is government in the peoples' hands. It's been one HELL of a messy and confused war to be rid of oligarchy, but the people will prevail (the Creator's Gods & Godesses want this, I dare say; but THEY have consideration for ALL THEIR children, even the bad ones, hence the patient excisement of this "tumor" upon the body politic).
Yes. I feel similarly.
Yes, it's very hopeful--but I have my worries. It's wonderful to see this level of protest, but depressing to see that 90% of it is about the protesters' economic future, not about the vicious, endless wars that are a major cause of debt AND such terrorism as actually exists--and not about the climate crisis bearing down on us. I spent three days at Freedom Plaza in DC, and had so many splendid conversations...but I mostly didn't even try to participate in the general assemblies. I am skeptical they can work with such large numbers. To achieve anything, this movement needs direction and especially strategy, and I don't believe that strategy can be effectively developed by huge groups. But we'll see.
As an example--getting the current Congress to pass better laws would be an absurd target. At best they'd pass a few slight improvements, and not enforce the good parts. I didn't see a lot of naievete in DC--I think most protesters realize this. But what's the alternative? Perhaps setting up an alternative People's Congress, and arranging when support grows large enough, to transfer legitimacy--and tax money-- into that one from the current corporate Congress on PA Ave. Or issuing a clear set of demands (ONE demand is absurd--too much is wrong by now to cover in a single demand) and then forcing change via a general strike.
It does not matter that the goals of the Occupy movement are various and diverse. There are so many ills to be addressed, and these demonstrations are a statement to that diversity. As a member of Veterans for Peace, I want to see the corporation sponsored wars ended. As a father and grandfather I want much, much more. I want my grandkids to have the opportunities I had, both financially and environmentally. I want them to have clean air, water and food, wilderness, some semblance of freedom. These are diverse goals. They are real ones. We are dealing with a Gordian knot, and we must begin to cut somewhere.
"We are not goods in the hands of politicians and bankers who do not represent us."
We will be if we continue to keep OUR money in their accounts.
if the whole world joins the protest, who will pay for the free pizzas?
I thought you said "free". If someone has to pay for them, they're not free!
exactly!
Pizza is born free, but everywhere it is in Chains...
[Someone must have said that before me]
"But it is true that it is not easy to build a movement without a representative,"
Their representative is "Consensus".
I found this statement "As governments cut deep into welfare spending to try to trim huge sovereign debts..." ironic considering the other statements/quotes listed herein. Particularly, the "economic crisis they blame on politicians and bankers"..."who do not represent us"...the 99% gathered at "the center of global capitalism in Wall Street." Moreover, my reading of research materials now so vastly available on the internet for those of us who now have the TIME to read it all have found that some economists consider "the social structure of accumulation (SSA) theory of capitalist crisis" to determine contributing factors and that our political economy has historically manipulated the systemic factors (conflict between labor and capital accumulation) involved in the business cycle with policies that weaken the labor sector. My point is that the presumed need for "governments cut deep into welfare spending to try to trim huge sovereign debts" may appear as balancing a budget (which of course, they induced), but can also historically be seen as a means of weakening labor further by forcing people into the extremely lowered slave wage market in order to keep their families alive so the capital accumulation game can continue. In a nation that cannot get their representative politicians to pass a jobs bill, tax those who have more than they will ever need in their lifetime, or end the expensive of MIC, while passing more Unfair trade agreements that will offshore more jobs that increase our trade deficits and furthe degrade the global environment, we must end the insanity by whatever means available to us now or ... Quotes from article above or David M Krotz, Marxist Crisis Theory and the Severity of the Current Economic Crisis (Dec 2009) umass.edu (page 3) Who I do not completely agree with but provides imporatant info.
How could oligarchs be so greed blindedly stupid as to think they could keep oppressing the public, ignoring that it would eventually backfire? That they could grow out of problems forever in a finite world? That they could continue to rape, torture, rob and murder people without paying the price? That they could continue to trash our home planet at will? That they could continue to fool the 99% forever?
All very slient points of view that inspire more ideas upon careful reading....Can a richer brew be found elsewhere?
Oh dear, how sweetly naïve all you journalists are!
You know as well as I what will happen to the ‘Occupiers.’
They will be allowed to camp-out, to cook-out, to make speeches, to sing and dance and have street-theatre — for a while. ‘Left’ liberals like yourself will be able to call this a ‘great upsurge of public opinion’ while right-wing commentators will have a field day raving about ‘lunatics, thugs and paid agitators.’
Then the capitalists will decide that it’s time to get back to ‘business as usual.’ They will tell the Occupiers that they have made their point and that they should now go home. “Public Order must be restored,” the capitalists will cry.
The capitalists will be supported by a lapdog media, some of who will admit that the Occupiers are right to be angry but that “this is not the time or the way,” while others will decide that the Soccer Moms and Nascar Dads of Middle America (and their counterparts in other countries) have had enough Spectacle and that it’s “time to move along.”
If the Occupiers don’t ‘move along,’ they will be dispersed with the full force of the bourgeois state — courts, cops and army — and their movement will be drowned in blood. If they do ‘move along,’ they will have gained nothing, except to have “upheld their democratic right to express their opinion.” Either way, it *will* be ‘business as usual’ for capitalism — even if the Occupiers manage to squeeze some ‘concessions’ from the bourgeoisie, such concessions will quickly be undermined not only by the ‘lobbyists’ who influence capitalist legislatures but by the legislators themselves who have their own salaries and stock portfolios to guard — and in five or ten years, the Occupiers will be back where they started.
For, girls and boys, these problems are *systemic* (endemic to capitalism). Boom-and-bust cycles — ‘bubbles’ — have occurred for as long as the capitalist mode of production has existed, and will go on occurring as long as more goods are being produced than can be consumed and as long as they are being produced for private profit rather than for genuine public need (not the ‘need’ created by advertising).
The only way out of this cycle is to change the *system* — but for that, one must be prepared to fight, for the likes of the Koch Brothers and their equivalents in other polities will not give up their power without a struggle.