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Did US Forces Watch Afghan Massacre?
Afghan detainees allege that Americans witnessed a mass killing -- a charge the New York Times chose not to report
Earlier this month, Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times reporter James Risen advanced the story, revealing that the United States had resisted any war crimes investigation into the massacre, despite learning from Dell Spry, the lead FBI agent at Guantánamo Bay following the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, that many Afghan detainees were telling similar stories of a mass killing. Spry directed interviews of detainees by FBI agents at Guantánamo Bay, and compiled allegations made by the detainees.
In April 2002, Physicians for Human Rights forensic experts dug a test trench as part of a preliminary investigation for the UN at the Dasht-e-Leili mass grave site near Sheberghan, Afghanistan, and exposed 15 bodies. See more info at afghanmassgrave.org (Physicians for Human Rights) But what the Times did not report was that many of those same detainees also alleged to Spry's interviewers that U.S. personnel were present during the massacre, a potentially explosive allegation that, if true, might further explain American resistance to a war crimes probe of the deaths. In an exclusive interview, Spry told Salon that he informed Risen about the additional allegation that U.S. forces were present. Risen confirmed to Salon that Spry told him of the allegations, but said he did not publish them, in part, because he didn't believe them.
In late 2001, according to initial media reports on the massacre, Afghan warlord Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum ordered hundreds and perhaps thousands of Taliban prisoners who had surrendered in the city of Kunduz into metal shipping containers. They were given little food and water over a three-day period and transported to a prison outside Shibarghan. They licked perspiration off one another to stay alive. Many suffocated. Others died when guards fired pell-mell into the containers. Murder by metal shipping container is apparently the mass killing technique of choice among some warlords in Afghanistan.
Risen's story in the Times earlier this month said the slaughter "may have been the most significant mass killing in Afghanistan after the 2001 American-led invasion." The Times added that American officials resisted a war crimes investigation because the warlord who allegedly orchestrated the mass killing, Dostum, was a paid CIA asset who had worked closely with U.S. Special Forces. At the time of the killings, Dostum was working hand-in-glove with soldiers from the Army's 5th Special Forces Group. During that phase of the war in Afghanistan, small numbers of Special Forces soldiers typically accompanied much larger numbers of U.S.-allied Northern Alliance forces on the battlefield.
That article showed that Spry assembled accounts from roughly 10 prisoners who said they had survived the massacre and later ended up at Guantánamo. Those prisoners described being "stacked like cordwood" in the shipping containers while the mass killing occurred.
The paper showed that Spry sent the information up his chain of command. A senior FBI official halted a subsequent investigation. The military also evinced little interest. Former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz apparently told another defense official at the time that the United States wasn't going to go after Dostum for the deaths, because he was a valuable asset.
What the Times did not say was that these Guantánamo prisoners also said that U.S. personnel were present during the massacre. "The allegation was that U.S. forces were present while Dostum's troops were herding these people into these containers," Spry, now retired from the FBI and working as an FBI consultant, told Salon. "They were out rounding up alleged Taliban and insurgent folks."
Spry said that at the time of the interviews not long after the invasion of Afghanistan he found the detainees' claims of a massacre "plausible," since the detainees separately told similar stories. Spry thought an investigation seemed warranted. He found the claims of the involvement of U.S. personnel, however, more specious, mostly because he doubted that Americans would participate in or stand by passively during a massacre. "I did not believe that then and I do not believe that now," he said about the alleged involvement of U.S. personnel.
One of the reasons he pushed for an investigation of the alleged massacre, Spry said, was that the United States could both fulfill its obligations to look into war crimes and prove false any allegations of American involvement.
Risen said he cut the allegations from his story because of space concerns, because he could not prove them, and because he did not believe them. That Spry did not believe them either contributed to his lack of confidence in the charges. "I just felt like the whole issue of potential U.S. involvement in the massacre could not be proven and was not conclusive. Frankly, I don’t believe it and it detracts from the rest of the story. It had been a stumbling block for this story for some time."
The detainees told Spry's interviewers of a harrowing situation. One detainee described being moved by truck just prior to being stuffed into one of the shipping containers, according to an investigative document obtained by Salon (and published here). The truck stopped and he saw "one big, tall, caucasian, American looking man who was wearing blue jeans," the detainee reported, according to a U.S. Criminal Investigative Task Force report. "The man was taking pictures of the trucks and the occupants," the detainee added.
The detainee, whose name is blacked out, said the truck drove for a while and then backed up to a shipping container and 100 men were forced inside. He described hearing screaming and banging on the sides of the container, blacking out from lack of air, and waking up next to a dead man with green foam on his mouth. People rubbed clothes against the ceiling to capture condensation. Around 24 hours later, he and roughly 20 other survivors were let out. The rest died. The detainee heard later that the dead and very weak were "put into a big hole and buried."
Meanwhile, Dostum's name surfaced this week in a video of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl, the U.S. Army soldier taken hostage by the Taliban three weeks ago. A voice off-camera hammers Dostum, "who had hands in organized crime and lootings and mass murders in the north of Afghanistan." The voice then asks Bergdahl, "Does your government tell you that you support human rights criminals in Afghanistan and you spill your blood for these people?"
"No," Bergdahl responds. "Our government does not inform us of any of these details."



28 Comments so far
Show AllDid US forces watch Afghan massacre? Jesus! Does a frog have a watertight ass? I am sick of these propagandist and psychological maneuvering, deflective questions and suggestions that attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the common people! Not only did they watch, they participated and they continue to commit massacres in Afghanistan and now Pakistan with the massacre of innocent women and children with their cowardly use of drone killing machines!! For God's sake people WAKE UP!!! We are and have become very much like the Nazi's in the 1940's , the difference being that we are the super power on earth and the earth and her denizens may not survive the madness and criminal wars that the US is bent on prosecuting worldwide! The US is a nation run amok and I pray that God save us from the ' murderous and evil beast on the prowl' and do whatever it takes to subdue this monster!
You are preaching to the choir here.
At least, You should send your message to the White House about "Wake UP!"
I have written and sent, return receipt requested, so many wake up letters to Mr. "I want to hear the people." So far have gotten back one pre-printed card saying nothing but platitudes.
Only the appearance has changed. The current puppet can speak in complete sentences and is of a darker hue. Otherwise, he just follows the orders of the Oligarchy that owns the country like all the other bought and paid for lackeys do.
We the People are the ones that have to "wake up" and do something. Our current "Captain" is shouting, as we steam into the night, "Damn the icebergs, we're unsinkable. Full speed ahead!"
We'll see.
risingdawn July 22nd, 2009 10:50 am..............I submit that we are worse than the Nazi's (and likely just some sick continuation). Add up the dead since the inception of this country. You would not even have to include the CIA's direct or indirect operations..........and who would know those figures?
- Atrocities in the presence of U.S. forces!
- Resistance to investigation of wrongdoing!
- Failure of "paper of record" to report facts!
My goodness! This article is jam packed with surprises.
This story is an obvious fabrication. It is a well established fact that our soldiers are all saints and heroes whose only motive is to bring Truth, Justice, and The American Way to people yearning for democracy.
That's right. In school I was taught that Americans neither condone nor commit atrocities.
"Do you know the enemy?
Do you know your enemy?
Well gotta know the enemy.
Silence is the enemy
Against your urgency
So rally up the demons of your soul.
Do you know the enemy?"
Green Day
The entire US invasion and continuing occupation of Afghanistan is one huge human rights disaster!
Gotta be, we're there for the oil and gas routes but we need to get out of there now!
Silence at 6:00 - film at 10:00
Afghanistan and the Taliban did not attack the US - those were Saudis enraged at our support for Israeli atrocities.
The atrocities continue - the support continues - and the attacks??? Forever is a long time.
Afghanistan and the Taliban supported the attack on the World Trade Center. THey also sheltered bin Laden for a while.
Bush let bin Laden slip away because he wanted to lie his way into Iraq.
>>Afghanistan and the Taliban supported the attack on the World Trade Center. THey also sheltered bin Laden for a while
Please give your evidence that The Taliban and Afghanistan supported the attack on the WTC.
Not even GW Bush made this claim.
Why not? After all, US forces did idly watch the rape and looting of Baghdad in April, 2003.
42 years ago at the Levy court martial, Levy charged that Green Beret forces were used to commit atrocities in Vietnam, hence he refused to train Green Beret medics bound for Vietnam. Two witnesses testified on Levy's behalf. They said that while they never saw Green Berets commit atrocities, they had to look the other way while South Vietnamese soldiers commit them. One was RObin Moore, author of the pro-Green Beret best seller "Tales of the Green Beret". THe other was DOnald DUncan, a 10 year serviceman, and a Green Beret in VIetnam for 3 years. He wrote a book Called "The New Legions".
Deja Vu!
We can all agree that this happens, but on the other hand, and with all respect for servicemen, the reasons why US forces "look the other way" is that they have no orders to the contrary. Service grunts are trained not to think, and not to take initiative, especially when allied forces are involved. Thus, we are looking at one of the unfortunate byproducts of war.
But But as military spokes persons have already confirmed this week that Afgani's have captured Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl and video taped him. This is a grave crime forbidden under the Geneva Conventions.
That gives us the holly god given right to do what we do. So just shut up whiners we have a mission to bring democracy and Christianity to the middle east and every single one of them are terrorists.
You keep whining and you go on the list as a terrorist for a short trip in a container.
Straight out of the mouth of a general on MSMnews.WhoooRaa
Isn't it much easier to kill people with missiles and/or bombs from drones.
That does not seem to be a war crime.
War crimes are war crimes and this one is so heinous and disgusting that all involved should be locked up forever at the very least. This was Nazi-Like.
Obama refuses to investigate it is his mass murder now.
If we are like the Nazies....George Bush was President.
His grandfather Senator Prescott Bush was a Nazi Sympathizer.
Democracynow has been up on this story since 2004. They reported on the documentary film “Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death” by Irish filmmaker Jamie Doran.
Quoting Democracynow, "The film provides eyewitness testimony that U.S. troops were complicit in the massacre of thousands of Taliban prisoners during the Afghan War."
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/5/20/afghan_massacre_eyewitnesses_ REMOVE SPACE testify_that_us
Our military is not known for watching. They were there. They were doing something too.
It's all good Yoo wrote the memo.
Know what the fed gov is doing with this Captured Soldier Propaganda? They're enlightening the military to the fact that when their hero ploy is up, they'll be prosecuted for mass murder. So they better put their all into the mass murder they do, because when their pentagon friends aren't calling the shots any more, it's jail time for these bunch of baby and women killers calling in bombs on houses because they're afraid to do what they were trained and dedicated themselves to, military raids on military members. Yeah, instead they've been sitting hundreds of feet from where they have demolished by mortars and bombs.
How often do you suppose a soldier "walks off base with 3 Afghani men..."?
Then sits to listen to this, obviously CIA skill level propaganda:
"Does your government tell you that you support human rights criminals in Afghanistan and you spill your blood for these people?" Spill your blood... What'd they have Nosferatu Disney write this script?
Oh, yeah, I'm quite sure that US troops guiding the way, giving the orders, pulling the triggers and digging the graves were all innocent!
Pakistan's ISI requested of the USA special forces to allow their members who were supporting the Talibs and also captured in Kunduz to be airlifted back to Pakistan before Dostum did his slaughter. This request was granted.
At the risk of belaboring an obvious point, this likely contributes to an explanation not only of "American resistance to a war crimes probe of the deaths" but, by extension, of the deaths of many prisoners in the custody of the American gulag.
Corporate Reporters from Hell:
Damn WarCrime stumbling blocks! Detracting from an otherwise nicely censored MSM whitewashed article. "I don't believe it, because Jesus and the General told me so!"
sigh.
Walter Concrite must be rolling in his grave. We "Good Germans" are going to have to face the fact that this century there is no such thing as human rights. And maybe the NeoCon view makes sense: There's too many humans anyway, so let's just kill off the ones in our way. The problem with this view is that pretty soon, we citizens are going to just "get in the way" of the NeoCon machine.
Torture: Check!
Predator Buzz Bombs: Rodger!
Mass Graves: Check!
CIA DeathSquads Check!
Blitzcreek: Complete!
SS Spying on Citizens: Check!
Your papers are not in order! Nazi Checklist Complete!
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Maybe that we are developing a new concept - equal opportunity killing.