US to Drop Spy Case Against Pro-Israel Lobbyists
From the beginning, the case against the lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee was highly unusual. The two, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, were charged under the World War I-era Espionage Act, accused of improperly providing to their colleagues, journalists and Israeli diplomats sensitive information they had acquired by speaking with American policy makers.
Some lawyers at the Justice Department had always had significant reservations about the case, some current and former officials said. They believed that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman had acted imprudently, but doubted that either man should be criminally prosecuted. Nevertheless, F.B.I. agents poured substantial resources into the case, and the decision to seek a dismissal infuriated many within the law enforcement agency.
But several current and former officials said the decision to abandon the case was no surprise. With adverse judicial rulings making the prosecution increasingly risky, lawyers in the United States Attorney's Office in Alexandria, Va., and at Justice Department headquarters met on several occasions in recent weeks, agonizing over whether to go forward with the trial, which was scheduled to begin June 2.
Last week, officials from the F.B.I.'s Washington office who investigated the case made their final pleas to keep the case alive, arguing that there was enough evidence to persuade a jury to find the two men guilty. But prosecutors - including some who had worked on the case for years - disagreed.
Joseph Persichini Jr., the top official at the F.B.I.'s Washington office, praised the work of the F.B.I. agents on the case, and said he was "disappointed" in the decision to drop the charges.
The case had raised delicate political issues about the role played by American Jewish supporters of Israel and their close, behind-the-scenes relationships with top government officials. Advocates of civil liberties and of open government asserted that the defendants were being singled out for activities that were part of the accepted and routine way that American policy on Israel and the Middle East had been formulated for years, with people exchanging information.
The decision to drop the case comes just days before Aipac is scheduled to begin its annual policy conference in Washington, which has often served as an advertisement of its influence. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel is scheduled to address the event via satellite.
Lawyers for Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman said in a statement that while they were pleased at the decision, the government had erred in bringing the case in the first place and had caused great damage to their clients. Aipac dismissed the men early in 2004 after prosecutors presented some of their evidence to an Aipac lawyer. The group later agreed to subsidize their legal costs.
The Justice Department said that the decision to drop the case had been made solely by career prosecutors in Alexandria, and that senior officials of the Obama administration had acted only to approve the recommendation.
Several other officials said, however, that while senior political appointees at the Justice Department did not direct subordinates to drop the case, they were heavily involved in the deliberations. These officials said David S. Kris, the newly appointed chief of the department's national security division, and Dana J. Boente, the interim United States attorney in Alexandria, had conferred regularly with prosecutors and ultimately decided to accept the recommendation to abandon the case. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was informed and raised no objections.
The case would have been the first prosecution under the espionage law in which no documents were involved and in which the defendants were not officials who provided the information, but the private citizens who received it from them in conversations.
While Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman trafficked in facts, ideas and rumor, they had done so with the full awareness of officials in the United States and Israel, who found they often helped lubricate the wheels of decision-making between two close, but sometimes quarrelsome, friends.
The move by the government to end the case came in a motion filed with the Federal Court in Alexandria.
In pretrial maneuvering, the prosecution suffered several setbacks in rulings from the trial judge, T. S. Ellis III, that were upheld by a federal appeals court in Richmond, Va. Judge Ellis rejected several government efforts to conceal classified information if the case went to trial. Moreover, he ruled that the government could prevail only if it met a high standard; he said prosecutors would have to demonstrate that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman knew that their distribution of the information would harm United States national security.
The investigation of Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman also surfaced recently in news reports that Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat long involved in intelligence matters, was overheard on a government wiretap discussing the case. As reported by Congressional Quarterly, which covers Capitol Hill, and The New York Times, Ms. Harman was overheard agreeing with an Israeli intelligence operative to try to intercede with Bush administration officials to obtain leniency for Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman in exchange for help in persuading Democratic leaders to make her chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Ms. Harman has denied interceding for Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman, and has expressed anger that she was wiretapped. She is to be among the featured speakers at the Aipac conference next week.
Over government objections, Judge Ellis had also ruled that the defense could call as witnesses several senior Bush administration foreign policy officials to demonstrate that what occurred was part of the continuing process of information trading and did not involve anything nefarious. The defense lawyers were planning to call as witnesses former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Stephen J. Hadley, the former national security adviser; and several others. Government policy makers indicated they were clearly uncomfortable with senior officials' testifying in open court over policy deliberations.
The government's motion to dismiss said the government was obliged take a final review of the case to consider "the likelihood that classified information will be revealed at trial, any damage to the national security that might result from a disclosure of classified information and the likelihood the government would prevail at trial."
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Show AllRemember the Wen Ho Lee case? (spelling is probably wrong). He was a Chinese scientist and the United States moved mountains to try and prove he committed espionage. It turns out it was another American witch hunt. Of course Israeli
spies are another matter.
Yes, Israeli spies are just fine, since a rabidly Zionist pro Israeli aggression lobby populates the positions of power in both the commercial media and the United States security services themselves. So Obama, the Obama of deeds says,
"Keep on spying Israel. We like it!"
Obama is a Zionist puppet who has done nothing, absolutely nothing for the Palestinians. Nothing!
And these are the people who try to kid us that Cuba isn't democratic. Is that because their electoral system actually seems to prevent anyone standing as a party representative? They all stand as individuals. I understand from Cuban friends that over half their government aren't members of the communist party.
It looks like Jane Harman has succeeded in her efforts to get this case thrown out! This is getting too depressing. Nothing is done! No matter how much people write. We don't have enough people who are serious about stopping the criminal syndicates that are running the Nation.
The case against the torturers of children will be thrown out too. How long are people going to put up with this.
I figure the U.S. has been lost. When a nation tortures children, bombs innocent people, and lets a foreign nation control its congress, AND lets the Financial sector openly loot the nation........AND DOES NOTHING TO STOP ANY OF IT, Then it is a failed nation.
There is no "hope" for this nation. It has been completely infiltrated by evil elements. I really HATE Obama and the entire U.S. Government. It does not represent me!! They can all go F themselves!
Obama wants to "move on" with out holding people to account for their atrocities!! Doesn't anyone find this completely corrupted? I am holding on for two years....then I will walk away from all my debts (especially to that credit card I owe to a Bank, that took my bank over, that is almost all medical related) and I will say "I just moving on", no sense in paying back what I owe. We'll see what they do about that!!! I'm sure that will be a big NO-NO!
This is ridiculous! We have foreigners committing espionage against the US - the penalty is hanging! How long will the US over look the crimes of Israel? They stole nuclear material from the US; they have been caught repeatedly in stealing secrets from the US; etc. How long will the US support a country whose MO is theft and murder?
Not to mention attempting to destroy one of our naval ships. For real.
"How long will the US support a country whose MO is theft and murder?"
As long as the U.S.'s MO is theft and murder also. Two peas in a pod.
Half of U.S. citizens agree with torture. We are living in a nation that, when
all is done and said, is worse than Germany's Hitler time.
What is awful is that there seems to be nothing anyone with a conscious can
do to stop these monsters. If you can move out do it! Most of us are stuck
here and will reap the consequences, as the monsters go free continuously.
Oh, man, is this ever getting sick. And all these idiots who thought Obama was
going to bring some kind of change!! What a joke. If they had listened to the
piece of garbage they would have seen that he is no different, and maybe he will
be even worse.
One sick example of these parasites: They pass legislation on credit cards. This has been in the making for awhile. But the new law (which seems really obscure anyways) won't be in affect until next year!!!!!
Haaaaa, So the Bankers win again because they have been and will continue to raise interest rates to exorbitant levels in the meantime before any "stricter" regulation is enforced!!! So really the people are being screwed again!! They'll find out....but its too late as this article shows these criminal elements in government will excuse themselves and cohorts continuously, while some little serf who steals a loaf of bread will be incarcerated.
This is your Congress at work!!
"he said prosecutors would have to demonstrate that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman knew that their distribution of the information would harm U.S. national security"
Message from the judge to future AIPAC spies: Spy as much as you wish, and when you get caught, merely plead ignorance. If you manage to reinforce among the public that ignorance pays, while also reinforcing among elites that cronyism pays, that's a double contribution to the elite war on people.
"We have ... determined that it is in the public interest to dismiss the ... indictment."
The elites also determined that high fructose corn syrup, war without end, bankster bailouts, etc, are all in the public interest. Who voted in them elites?
This is why the news is howling about the flu. Its all bull. Keep your eye off the JEW. We have a president who has surrounded himself with "dual citizens". Its funny during VietNam the Jews were the leading peaceniks. Abbie, Jerry and da boys. Now they want us to go to war with Iran.Why? I dont know any Iranians. Im more concerned with Americans who have their hand in my pocket. Wake up sheeple.
I think it's time to exercise the "Delilah option.'
yes kalidas, clearly US interests might not actually not be the same as Israels 100% of the time. No hesitation there.
Now, I'm not really current with the subtleties of etiquette or decorum in the 21st century, or even the basics I am sometimes told, but is not Killing Every Living Human Being on Planet Earth because your experiment in Ethnic Cleansing and Mass Murder failed BAD MANNERS?
Might this not be considered inappropriate behavior?
Shucks, my otherwise sane older-than-time landlord watches the Reverend John Hagey and looks at his watch every few minutes. He has poster's of Mushroom Clouds with Jesus's face in them on his walls.
azjoe, I don't think they have dual loyalties at all.
They have one loyalty only.
I see that AIPAC and their sadistic congressional toadies have desided to starve the Gaza Ghetto again. Someone must have smuggled in forbidden contraban like a diaper or a strand of spaghetti.
"Israeli ground forces have launched an incursion into the Gaza Strip after the military jets bombed 'tunnels' beneath the border between the beleaguered sliver and Egypt."
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The AIPAC should be investigated just like the U.S. Communist Party was in the Cold War Era. A Special Commission should vet all AIPAC members and cancel all of their Security Clearances. Prosecution of all of these Fifth Columnist Traitors needs to be the Top Priority of this Congress.
If our Elected Congressional Representatives and Senators have been corrupted by AIPAC or any other Israli Lobbists they should be defeated when their terms expire over the next 6 years.
Real Americans are noting who are/have been taking their orders from Tel Aviv !!!!!
Note who is at the AIPAC Annual Convention this weekend.
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I have had TWO accounts blocked by commondreams in the last couple of days. I cannot think of a valid reason for that. The next time that happens, I'm sending an email to 50,000 people to ask them to boycott commondreams.
People who think peace would be a better tool to save the world than war and a one world government by a self-"chosen" elite are being shut out of the debate.
STOP MEDIA CONTROL!!!
So Jane Harmon got snagged by a Legal NSA Intercept/Wiretap while being solicited to support the Bush Justice department's efforts to implement Illegal Intercept/Wiretaps on her fellow Americans?
All too rare is their Karma in Politics, but this is close.
It is just SO dumb to say Israeli-Americans like Jane Harmon have Dual-Loyalties!
If it's not a "moral hazard" it will be a "judicial hazard"!
Federal preemptive governance has replaced constitutional governance.
Is it any wonder why States are becoming more responsive to the needs of their citizens?
Unfortunately, ALL Jews will suffer some serious blowback from this.
Re: "Unfortunately, ALL Jews will suffer some serious blowback from this."
If anything, this sends a message to all Americans that the Israelis are boss, which, in turn, makes us all the more timid to talk about the Zionist takeover of our government, our armed forces, our banks, our educational system, our media...
STOP MEDIA CONTROL.
Nothing to be surprised about, just the same ol crime family covering one of its own.
Justice Department to enterprising con men of Planet Earth: "sugar daddys, we're your bitches!"
Bring America Back !!!!............Here's the Vitally Interesting thing about this. A proper true indictment and criminal spy proceeding gets underway in the fascist King George Bush Administration, but then gets quashed and dismissed in the new Administration of promise and hope of Saviour Barak Obama!
**Note that the motion to dismiss was not one granted to the Defense of the two accused spys, but it was the Govt Prosecutor's own motion to kick out the case.
It was clearly Obama,s Dept of Justice ! The stuff about classified info is all window dressing bulls--t !
**Of course, Blue Dog Democrat Jane Harman's (CA) conspiracy revelations with AIPAC had a devastating impact, moving the Obama DOJ to dismiss its own case !!
Democrats just love their Blue Dogs, dont they, just as they welcome another one named Arlan Specter. And another, Gary Condit led a charmed, if not womanizing, politico life. He was never a suspect, by the way.
**Obama's very first public speech, after becoming the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, was before an AIPAC convention in DC !! Isn't that Ironic, Obama's Secretary of State, Clinton, is legendary for worshipping at the altar of AIPAC, and for much, much campaign dollar contributions.
**FBI Agents are long on record to state that if they come up with negatory
info or evil data on Israel (AIPAC), and report it casewise, their careers as
Federal Agents are pretty much down the tubes ! Their next assignments will be tracking wayward Elves at the North Pole !
**Six Mossad (Israel) Spies caught by FBI on Sept 11, 2001, on the New Jersey side of the Hudson River, celebrating, photographing, dancing, singing at the burning, smoking, disintegrating Twin Towers of WTC, across the River, & who failed Polygraph exams which connected them to Mossad----were let go and returned to their Homeland ! Now ain't that just too Ironic, too. ???
**We in this progressive, are not really surprised at the Govt dropping this case against AIPAC ! In fact, we mostly expected that !!!!
**But, it most definitely is one more very Big example that Prez Obama's campaign rhetoric to cure the culture of corruption in DC, was and is hogwash!
******Seems once Obama gets in the perfect position to make changes, He just
gets swallowed up by the DC Culture of Corruption, and becomes part and parcel of it=====especially when it involves Democrats. !!! Harman Rules! Aipac Rules!
"**Obama's very first public speech, after becoming the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, was before an AIPAC convention in DC !!"
You will recall that after Governor Palin was announced as the VP nominee at the GOP Convention, she went into "hiding" for 3 weeks, interviewing no-one. 2 hours before her first speech, she met with the AIPAC Board.
Is this status quo that presumptive electives are first presented to AIPAC before the American People?
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins - Native American proverb.
Good advice.
Because then the man will be a mile away when you criticize him, and he won't have any shoes.
lol
Well, something's rotten in the state, and we're not talking about Denmark here.
As bad as this looks - and it looks real bad, especially with Jane Harman's corruption on display - there's another important lesson here beyond the usual U.S. obeisance to Israel.
The lesson is this: U.S. policy should only remain secret to U.S. citizens.
This article mentioned that the Israeli lobbyists told these supposed secrets to journalists. Well, then it isn't even secret anymore in that case. So, it's just bullshit that the trial didn't proceed.
Of course, U.S. support for an outlaw state like Israel is unconscionable, but U.S. citizens have zero representation on that matter.
-TIA
TJ had it right!
"The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecution, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest and ourselves united. From the conclusion of [their] war [for independence,] a nation begins going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of [that] war will remain [on them] long, will be made heavier and heavier, till [their] rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia
"BigEasy May 1st, 2009 6:10 pm
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Israel is a runanway nation, kills children and needs to be stopped."
SH*T, sounds like the U.S.A.!
"MADDY May 1st, 2009 6:03 pm
Israel seems to have a hold on our country, no matter who is president."
LIKE the USA would treat any other of its main battelships (see Ray McGovern) any other way?!
"JamesStirling May 1st, 2009 5:54 pm
President Obama has all the power he chooses to wield. ... He is not the front man for anyone."
HA, HA, HA, .... a bogus and infantile falsehood! Obama is a "nobody", easily disposed of, if and when the time comes that he'd need to be disposed of. As long as he's useful, then ... he's useful.
Strategists, ya know.
"Allow me to issue and control a nation's currency, and I care not who makes it's laws."
Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild, 1826
There's an old saying, "money talks, bulls@#t walks."
do you remember when Bush would be called out for making changes on Friday so as to slip behind the radar? catching the news cycle off its "a game"
Obama is pushing beyond the limits of what Bush envisioned in a tiered legal system. One system for the folks who have their homes and jobs winkled away by their white-collar criminals and another for PACs supported and run by foreign powers and highly placed domestic war criminals.
In terms of US security, this is a huge mistake. Israel is not really a friendly nation. Their agenda puts us at risk and their disproportionate influence over our congress is dangerous. The last time they breached our security system it cost taxpayers billions and caused a complete revamp of intelligence services.
Since taking office and on the heels of Israels war crimes in Gaza, Obama rearmed Israel with US weaponry and demanded the Palestinians bow down to their persecutors. Now he is giving them back their spies.
Pity the poor Palestinians if the coddling of the aggressive, criminal ambitions of Israel continues unabated. Pity us if another angry bunch of folks that our government has dumped on breaches US security.
Sounds to me like it was in the interests of Harmon and Pelosi to drop the case. I'd guess it is in the interests of Bush admin bureaucrats as well. It figures.
Anyone who is surprised by the outcome of the Rosen and Weissman case has been ignorant and fooled by Barack Obama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o
We have to cause an uproar over this.
Last year, we had the opportunity to elect Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader. We failed. Our failure is a failure of the people more than a failure of government. Those who voted for Obama have no excuse. All they had to do was research, but they didn't bother. How deep would they have to dig to notice Israeli ownership of the U.S. government? Not too deep. We are getting what we deserve right now.
When FOX news was pumping up Obama; I KNEW!
"Last year, we had the opportunity to elect Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader. We failed. Our failure is a failure of the people more than a failure of government. Those who voted for Obama have no excuse."
No. Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney & Ralph Nader never had a chance. The choice was McCain, Obama or opting out/sending a message vote. Enough message votes would have put McCain in the White House.
Even Zinn and Chomsky didn't want that.
ctrl-z "Last year, we had the opportunity to elect Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader. Correction: Kucinich dropped out, shortly after the February primaries.
I took the opportunity and proudly voted for Cynthia McKinney. I would be comfortable with any of the four candidates you mentioned, admiring them all. After watching Obama on C-Span and his unwavering support for Israel, no matter what they do, and his military position, I could not, with a clear conscience, vote for him.
""Last year, we had the opportunity to elect Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader."
Good people I agree. But if the people had elected either of the above, many, if not most, of the criticisms leveled at the current administrations today would be applied to a President Kucinich, President Gravel, President McKinney, or President Nader. (A man I happen to admire)Unless we somehow managed to completely change the composition of the congress the same centrist compromises would have been made out of necessity.(If not they would be lame ducks from day one.)
"No. Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney & Ralph Nader never had a chance. The choice was McCain, Obama or opting out/sending a message vote."
Exactly. (Nor did they expect to be elected President of the United States.) The problems faced by this nation are structural in nature. (Corruption) Any corrections must come from the bottom up.
The US Constitution forbids anything other than a 2-party system. One would like to imagine a coalition government (so popular in many functioning democracies around the world) of Kucinich, McKinney etc, but the Constitution makes that illegal.
Really, it is time for full electoral reform and eliminating campaign financing.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins - Native American proverb.
"The US Constitution forbids anything other than a 2-party system."
Where specifically?
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Today's Obama Administration's Justice Department's Motion to Dismiss all Spy charges against Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, former Israeli lobbist employed by the AIPAC is the worst news I have heard since Bush and Cheney ordered the Invasion of Iraq.
Rosen and Weissman are traitors to the United States of America.
The AIPAC is 5th Columnist Organization in the service of the State of Israel.
They not only spy for Israel but they have corrupted the U.S. Congress, and subverted the highest government officials.
President Barack Obama is a slave, owned by the Jewish Lobby....taking his orders from Tel Aviv.
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This is exaggeration. I also am dismayed by this development, but I don't for a fact know whether there are revelations that would indeed hurt the nation (the US), were the case to go forward. How *could* I know?
This is the problem with secrecy; no matter what the merits of the facts, we are all weakened by the cloud of ignorance that surrounds those facts.
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I would rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don't want and get that. -- Eugene V. Debs
We have been invaded by a foreign power-Israel. The American Jewish Community needs to stand up and protest Israel. Or, they should simply move back to their preferred counry. Sad to say, we all need to be wary now of every article written by a jewish writer. Even the most educated people I know, who are otherwise decent, draw the line when it comes to defending Israel. That makes them agents too. I think the American Jewish Community should take responsibilty before they ruin their good reputation. Israel is a runanway nation, kills children and needs to be stopped.
Israel seems to have a hold on our country, no matter who is president.
that's why congress eagerly approves that taxpayer-funded 30 billion/yr aid + military to Israel, they know that sweet cash will make its way back in hefty contributions. but don't worry, the State Dept and Congress are also loyal to the cold, hard cash doled out by Turkey, China, the Sauds, Pakis, etc etc etc
As long as a democrat or republican is elected to office, it will not matter. Which includes congress. Now, does it make more sense to take hard consideration about who you want to vote for your senators and representatives? And don't forget your state representatives and senators.
This tells us 2 things--AIPAC and Israel is the tail that wags the US dog. The other is the banks run the country. (See Senator Durbin for more info).
Sure, it's all old news but it bears repeating.
And they are related to each other look up the Rothschild family and thier role in the Federal Reserve and their role in the Balfour declaration both around 1913.
dcostello said:
""The military has always been used to make the world safe for American corporate interests. America is run primarily for the benefit of the elite and their corporations."
Yea. Presidents go above and beyond flattery when it comes to the military. I think they realize that we have become a banana republic where the military, a conservative group personifying and glorifying authoritarian violence, will stage a coup in a heartbeat.
""the likelihood that classified information will be revealed at trial, any damage to the national security that might result from a disclosure of classified information and the likelihood the government would prevail at trial."
Too many mass murderers in high places use the "national security" defense to get off the hook. Time to let the courts decide. If it's too secret for a judge and jury to decide, its probably a crime.
camus13
What about the poor U.S. citizen that is spending 13 years in jail for stealing the secrets? The FBI caught them red handed, I mean the AIPAC guys receiving the secrets and the US citizen that stole them.
That's O.K. as long as Harman got her way.
It is as hopeless as I think? I guess yes.
But what the hell Obama said torture is against the law but will not bring charges against the people who did it.
The new U. S. motto LOOK FORWARD, NOT BACKWARD.
As they say those who forget the past will certainly relive it.
Another Friday night drop.....He learned from Bush.
Mossad has dug up dirt or set a honey trap or bought off most of the DLC and congress thru Aipac...
And then there are the true believers like Obama and Bush that give unconditional support for Israel...
There are a few fearless leaders in the progressive & black caucuses, but the rest of the moderate D & R's were confused during the stolen election of 2000... Then scared shitless after the CIA/mossad & MIC manufactured the events of 9-11... And voted for the Patriot act & war on Afghanistan... The CIA tortured thousands of innocent people to get a false confession linking Iraq to 9-11... Eventually they "fixed" the intelligence to justify the occupation of iraq... The CIA continues the torture tactics in Iraq... While the SOG are making cross border raids into Pakistan and Iran... And the propoganda outlets manufacture public consent for attacking Iran and Pakistan... Don't think for a moment that Obama is a one term president... They will rig the election if they need to in 2012...
What should we expect when their middle name is Israel? All Americans who were murdered by Israel must be turning in their graves.
It's yet another victory for the ZIONIST AIPAC/Israeli lobbyist group aka the String Pullers of our so-called Democratic American Government. No wonder why Obama (the first (half)Black President) Boycotted a conference on Racism - One that was rightfully pointing out that Israel is a Racist ZIONIST State - hence the horrendous treatment of GAZA and it's people.
AIPAC is an important reminder that liberal democracy has its own caste system.
It's literally beyond belief that Obama would do this and I venture to say that it is unforgivable no matter what he may do in the future. It is treason to allow this kind of spying to go on and effectively say it is ok for the Israelis to comprehensively spy on our government and private corporations which it does more than all other countries combined.
Israel has hijacked our entire government through bribery of our politicians using the money that it steals from our treasury and George Bush took the treason to all new levels when he collaborated on the false flag orchestration of 9/11 with Israelis and populated his government with dual citizen Israelis of the worst sort.
The good people of Israel have no real power thanks to the crooks in Congress and now the crook in the White House. The good people of Israel want peace and brotherly love with the Palestinians and don't want to bribe our politicians and spy on us at all. The good people of Israel want to be our true friends.
The sick bastards running Israel today are literally destroying this great country we have and destroying Israel too, in the end. They are subverting our Democracy and actively promoting such atrocities as torture and removal of habeas corpus. Richard Pearl, himself a dual citizen Israeli, caught stealing classified information from the State department, was a principle architect and promoter of things like torture and the invasion of Iraq actually publically called for the right of the US government to remove even naturally born American citizen's citizenship if the US government deemed them to be terrorists. These people are insane and they must be stopped but Obama is continuing it and effectively rubber stamping the evil saying, "It's OK!". What Obama did, by allowing these spies to go, was not only approve their behavior but to approve complete control and subversion of our nation by Israeli mobster thugs.
There was plenty of evidence to convict these spies this is a fact.
Obama has betrayed us completely. He has been a largely de facto "Bush continued" with nice window dressing and until this very moment I was still very hopeful about him. This act of treason is something I don't think even George W Bush would do. I think Bush realized what the Israelis were doing all too late. He did say no to their request for assistance in bombing Iran. What's next? Obama's going to bring us into world war III?
We are a great and fantastically wonderful country but for the fact that our politicians are the virtual puppets of a foreign cabal of so-called israeli zionists who are really just a bunch of idiotic mobsters. How ridiculous, that Obama, the president of the greatest nation in history by any measure, would be no more than a puppet, a foreign agent. None of us would have guessed this before election day, we wouldn't have guessed any of it.
"It's literally beyond belief that Obama would do this "
How so? Were you not paying attention? Obama gave the biggest suck job speech to AIPAC probably in it's entire history. I bet he's still wiping his chin. The he pulls the triple chimp - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil on the Israeli massacre of Gaza. He pulls that BS line 'there's only one President'. What a bunch of crap. There was certainly room for more than one President when he wanted to comment on the bank bailout.
"Obama's going to bring us into world war III?"
Yup. You've got that right. And it will be with Iran and/or Korea.
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townsend
Just a note to all posters who like to auto-sign with "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." The lyricist's name is Pete Townshend, not Townsend.
Thanks for correcting this.
GreenDragon,
That is very interesting. I guess a smoked too much dope in College and missed that part.
I think you should be in the running for smallest nit picked for the Guinness Book of World Records.
Yes you are taking one thing he said and did in isolation but he also said many things over the two years of the election that lead me to believe he was going to do the right things and be the major radical reformer which we so desperately need. Obama and Biden both said israeli spies belong in US prisons. He pulled a major act of deception, that's all I can say at this point. This is not a little thing he did, it is major treason.
We needed a great president and I did think we were getting one. Obama won the election despite major efforts by AIPAC and the broader "israeli defense forces" in the USA as they like to think of themselves. Obama won-- the Israeli lobby lost and lost big time. But it looks like Obama is willing to sell the interests of our country for his own self interests which I don't agree he is gaining.
"Obama won-- the Israeli lobby lost and lost big time"
How do you figure this??? Look at Obama's first two choices - Joe "I am a Zionist" Biden and Rahm "I fought for the IDF" Emanuel. Quite the contrary. The Israeli lobby WON big time with Obama.
"he also said many things over the two years of the election that lead me to believe he was going to do the right things and be the major radical reformer which we so desperately need"
Again, how so? Again, quite to the contrary, Obama said and did many things over the course of the campaign to indicate that his current behaviour was EXACTLY what he was going to do. Obama who voted for the Patriot Act, Obama who voted for Bankruptcy Reform, Obama who voted for teleco immunity from illegal wiretapping, Obama who voted for almost EVERY SINGLE war funding bill, etc, etc.
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townsend
Joe Biden said he was a zionist but that the place for israeli spies is in US prisons and he made that point clear to the questioner. So he was basically saying he believes the state of Israel has a potential right to exist but must do so within the constraints of decent behavior.
The Israeli lobby lost the election because they very clearly were opposed to Obama's winning of the election. I had friends coast to coast that were very clearly observing massive efforts by the israeli lobby to destroy Obama.
Strangely Obama has kowtowed to their will more than he should although pronouncedly less than GW Bush did.
ASTOUNDING.
Who should I believe? You or my lying eyes?
You don't even have the respect to come up with a plausible lie.
What about his full support of the July War, 2006 before his "campaign"? He actually wrote and signed a memo to then US Ambassador to UN, Khalilzad, stating his full support of Israel's "right to defend itself" and he urged Khalilzad to do the same.
you see, there were and are more than just "one thing" that he said that reinforced and thus contradicted the image of the "major, radical reformer" you believe he was/is going to be....
anyway, I'm sorry for your disbelief. And I do agree with you on the "window dressing" as I have long argued Obama is the front company image as the shadow wars go on behind the curtain. Much like during Raygun's era via Big Zbig and Afghanistan... who consequently was working with Khalilzad at the time....
hard, sad world seeing the front company again....
President Obama has all the power he chooses to wield. It is his choice, whether by way of ignorance or willful intent on his part, to make one choice or the other. He is not the front man for anyone. He could do much more than he has chosen to do, the only question is why.
you may have misinterpreted my point, I hold Obama responsible. When I say he is the front company, I mean he represents the front of the company while all the background effects happen behind the scene. I do not see him as a "stooge for the man". He is, "the man".
My question isn't why, because it implies I thought he was something differnt. My question is how long will people be willing to put up with those damn drapes! You seem to be done with the "de facto bush"
Now the cat is out of the bag where even those who get their news from the MSM can see it. AIPAC is both an agency of a foreign government and according to the IRS a charitable organization. We are paying for Israel to spy on our government and feed information which is denied to us to the Israeli government. Pretty neat trick, huh? But, I guess its anti-semitic to say that Israel and the US are in bed together.
In Peace
Yep. The cat was let out of the bag on a friday during a flu epidemic scare. These bastards think they are so smart. As to that jerkoff judge Ellis saying the "landscape" of the case has changed since the trial began, I just have to say that only a bought and paid for judge can see a garden where there is a sewer. These stupid zionists are causing renewed prejudice against jews. To protect a few assholes from the Mossad, they are fucking most of the world's jews. As usual, the innocent will pay much more than the guilty.
Same old business as usual.
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss' - Pete Townsend
"Government policymakers indicated they were clearly uncomfortable with senior officials testifying in open court over policy deliberations."
Can anyone here spot the significance of this, in relation to potential torture prosecutions?
'cause if taking bribes to interfere with espionage cases is "policy deliberations" then what are they going to call conspiracy to torture?
Sadly, this is not surprising. Interesting little tidbit of information over on Huffington Post that Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel has been very involved with Sec. of Treasury Geithner's plan to "fix" the economy. Since when is the WHCOS an economist and member of the US Treasury?
psst.... It's Obama's plan. just like Rahm is Obama's right hand man...
psst. pass it on.
The Govt. (Bush+Obama) never wanted this case to go to trial in the first place. That is why they did everything they could with stalling tactics, unusual rulings, etc. Obama is so bought and sold it's outrageous. Obama, with all his corporate pandering will be a one-term president. Like that old saying - "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." Not for 4 years.
Sorry, I don't buy the notion that Obama is bought and sold. I DO buy the notion that there are organizations within the US that wouldn't think twice about doing some serious sh&^ if Obama acted contrary to their interests. AND that they let him know as much on Day 1.
They probably put a bullet under his pillow.
Kane. I have to agree with you there.
Obama should not have run for President if he was not willing to risk his life fighting Cheney's Dark Side.
Perhaps you should take a look at opensecrets.org and see who exactly has bought and sold Obama. You'll find that most of his top contributors were financial services companies with Goldman being the largest. Dig a little deeper and you'll start to see the insurance companies. Now take a look at his policies in respect to bailing out the banks and financials and his stand on single payer. Bought, sold and wrapped for delivery!
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townsend
I don't doubt those were the top contributors. But you're obviously biased in calling this "bought and sold". It may be the case that that's the price one currently has to pay just to get into the game. And he made the calculation that it necessary, to at least get the chance to change things from the inside out. And as far as "organizations" that I refered to in my post, I wasn't talking about financial orgs, or at least not directly. Of course it may turn out to be he IS bought and sold...but I think it's too early to have a knee-jerk "government is bad" reaction.
My basis for calling Obama bought and sold is determined by his actions. While the vast majority of American citizens were and are opposed to bailing out the banks, Obama insists on moving ahead with this - to the exclusive benefit of the FIRE industry (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate). While the vast majority of American citizens are in favor of Medicare for all and/or single payer, Obama insists on moving ahead with mandatory health insurance - to the exclusive benefit of the insurance companies. I'm not sure what else you'd call this except bought and sold.
As to calling "government is bad" a knee-jerk reaction, I disagree. I would call it a sane starting point for understanding government. I'd also add "government lies" to the statement. Certainly it has proven itself out in the case of the US. No matter who is in charge, the operating basis of the US government is bad. Foreign policy is run to the benefit of large corporations as is domestic policy. The military has always been used to make the world safe for American corporate interests. America is run primarily for the benefit of the elite and their corporations. How is this not bad?
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townsend
You're a God Damn genius, dcostello.
Watch their actions, cause their words are BS.
The shepple continue to bleat the name of their master: "Obaaaaaahhhhma, Obaaaaaahma."
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townsend
This is disgusting. The United States of Israel. I guess we should have expected this eventually, with Obama pandering to AIPAC right after he won the primary last June 2008, and his appointment of Rahm Emmanual as chief of staff.
I Knew this coming as soon as the Harmon incident occurred. I believe the info on Harmon was deliberately leaked by persons with ties to AIPAC as a warning.
DROP the prosecutions or we will leak more.
When the country is run by Israeli agents overtly and covertly, this is the expected outcome.
The US has been taken over by foreign govt bloodlessly and the sheeple are too stupid to realize it as yet. And when they finally open their eyes, there will be another holocaust, but not by the hands of the Muslim. History is repeating itself but the attention span of the average american is shorter than that of a gnats.
And I still have not heard if the missing kilo of Plutonium lost in the last few months at Los Alamos has turned up.
It would not be the first time the israelis stole some Plutonium.
I wonder what the response would've been if these were Muslim Lobbyists/Spies associated with the American Muslim Alliance? I think we all know. Just another reason for the world to hate the USA.
NYT :
The government's motion to dismiss filed before Judge Ellis cited some of these reasons. The motion, filed by the acting prosecutor in Alexandria, Va. and not by any senior Obama Justice Department official, said that before proceeding with the case the government was obliged to consider "the likelihood that classified information will be revealed at trial, any damage to the national security that might result from a disclosure of classified information and the likelihood the government would prevail at trial."
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Oh, so this is clever. Not by any senior Obama DOJ official...?! Who the hell do they think the "acting prosecutor" is representing if not the DOJ, and the US GOVT? So what if the acting prosecutor representing the US GOVT isn't a "senior official"? And (hint), no senior official is willing to go on the record. This paragraph diffuses the focus of responsibility.
The buck stops at the presidency, or have we quickly forgotten this adage?
Is Harman off the hook, too? I hope not.
What can be said about this that hasn't already been said? What can be denied that hasn't already been denied?
We know the truth. We see them for what they are, which is more than they will ever have.
Of Course Times did not Quote Harman's " This conversation never happened" at the end of her quid pro quo with israeli intelligence agent.
Dismiss the Zionist Spys Indict the American Hero Environmentalist Tim DiChristopher.
Must be part of O's secret sly strategy.
Tell Obama how you feel about this, I did this morning. I am sick to my stomach that these Zionists scum bags can get away with this. The Zionists can murder our sailors (USS Liberty), murder our citizens (Rachel Corrie 2003), and spy on America, and still get BILLIONS of our tax dollars. Tell Obama or whoever is your elected Zionist pimp in Congress to stop funding these scumbag Zionists
www.whitehouse.com
It's www.whitehouse.gov. I hope everyone will do as Gatos1014 suggests so eloquently. It takes only a minute.
Of Course thats why they dropped it. To protect Harman.
Great arguments: by the defense it was open information.
by the prosecution it is too secret too prosecute.
If what the prosecution says is true they could easily have made their case.
Harman is nothing. They dropped it to protect Israel.
Agreed.
It certainly appears that way.
It is curious that the NYT did not mention details of the connection between Harman and this case. With NYT's chief editor Bill Kristol, a noted zionist and loyal AIPAC henchman, I am not surprised.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins - Native American proverb.
According to my 8-Ball™, "Signs Point to Yes".
· Yr Obd't Servant
PS: I'm hoping the Tim DeChristopher case will be dropped the same way. Where there's a will, there's a way, you know... oh, right...