The signs are unmistakably clear that what was always inevitable -- full compliance by the House Democratic leadership with Bush's demands on warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty -- is now imminent. House leaders spent the week floating their specific proposals for how they intend to comply in full, and yesterday, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes went on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, refused to criticize the President or the Senate FISA bill, and repeatedly and meekly expressed his willingness "this week" to give what he called full "blanket immunity" to telecoms (C&L has the video of Reyes' astoundingly weak and incoherent answers in response to Blitzer's Bush-mimicking questions).
This is, of course, everything except surprising. No rational person who has watched Congressional Democrats since they took over Congress could possibly have expected them to do anything but what they always do: namely, whatever they're told to do by the White House. The last thing they were ever going to do was stand their ground over Americans' basic liberties and the rule of law, concepts about which they couldn't possibly care less.
The whole drama they started when they refused to pass the Senate bill by the deadline was never about anything substantive. They were just throwing a little petulant tantrum because they felt they were being treated unfairly again because they were given only a few days to comply with the President's orders, when they wanted a couple of weeks to comply.
And their irritation wasn't even directed at the President as much as it was at the Senate for being so unfair in waiting until the deadline to pass a FISA bill, thus giving the House only a small amount of time to capitulate in full (on CNN, Chairman Reyes refrained almost completely from criticizing the White House, instead reserving his criticism for the Senate over this procedural insult). The only "principle" the bulk of Congress believes in is the preservation of their own ceremonial customs. That's all this drama was ever about.
There's very little point anymore in writing about how the Congressional Democratic leadership is complicit in all of the worst Bush abuses, or about how craven they are. All of that is far too documented and established at this point to be worth spending any time discussing. They were never going to take a stand against warrantless eavesdropping or the destruction of the rule of law via telecom amnesty for one simple reason: many of them don't actually oppose those things, and many who claim to oppose them don't actually care about any of it. That's all a given.
But what is somewhat baffling in all of this is just how politically stupid and self-destructive their behavior is. If the plan all along was to give Bush everything he wanted, as it obviously was, why not just do it at the beginning? Instead, they picked a very dramatic fight that received substantial media attention. They exposed their freshmen and other swing-district members to attack ads. They caused their base and their allies to spend substantial energy and resources defending them from these attacks.
And now, after picking this fight and letting it rage for weeks, they are going to do what they always do -- just meekly give in to the President, yet again generating a tidal wave of headlines trumpeting how they bowed, surrendered, caved in, and lost to the President. They're going to cast the appearance that they engaged this battle and once again got crushed, that they ran away in fear because of the fear-mongering ads that were run and the attacks from the President. They further demoralize their own base and increase the contempt in which their base justifiably holds them (if that's possible). It's almost as though they purposely picked the path that imposed on themselves all of the political costs with no benefits.
Even with their ultimate, total compliance with the President's orders, they're still going to be attacked as having Made Us Less Safe -- by waiting weeks to capitulate, rather than doing so immediately, they opened up critical intelligence gaps, caused us to lose vital intelligence, made us less safe, etc. But now, they have no way to defend themselves against those accusations because, at the end of the day, they are admitting that the President was right all along, that telecom amnesty and warrantless eavesdropping are good and important things that the President should have had all along. So why didn't they just give it to him before the law expired? It was a loss for them on every level.
I doubt there are very many Americans who expect at this point that the Democratic leadership will take a stand against the President due to any actual beliefs. But shouldn't politicians be at least a little bit shrewd about their own political self-interest? As craven and ugly as their capitulation will be, the political "strategy" they chose is actually just more self-destructive than it is anything else. Obviously, they have no real political principles, but don't they have any strategic instinct at all?
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
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Show Allbalakirev March 4th, 2008 10:23 am
Nice analogy.
ZOUNDS! beautiful post and I couldn't agree more. I heard about the concert and unless the report was total crap, it seemed that the music did transcend all differences, and moved allot of people deeply---performers as well as audience. Perhaps it is the artists of all sorts who will save humanity. Let us hope.
Should we be surprised-this govt. has been bought and paid for by the corps forever-did we think they could only buy republicans-this govt. has got to have a strong pro common man at the helm for it to even resemble a democracy. You would have to go all the way back to FDR for this.
Let's look at this situation logically...
House members received great praise nationwide for finally standing up to Bush over the FISA bill rebellion, so much so, that one would have to wonder what incentives or threats would get them to go back on such a successful action.
Consider this... when the NSA hooked up ALL the lines of telecommunication, they also included the lines of our congressional "representatives", their aides and their families.
Frankly, I suspect that it would be at least AS valuable for Bush to get dirt on our members of congress than it would be to sort out possible threats from al Qaeda.
It would certainly explain how Bush has managed to accomplish some things that might otherwise be considered insurmountable problems, like trashing the U.S. Constitution.
balakirev,
So true, It was the same way in Venezuela in the 1980's - Copei and Accion Democratica. Then as the neoliberalism progressed and pushed even more into poverty, Pres Carlos Andres Perez simply dropped the whole charade and Venezula became a one-party Capitalist Boss State.
Mr. Reyes' kowtow to Wolf Bullshitzer is only one more demonstration that
change will not come from above. The "Democratic" caucus has utterly capitulated to the status quo, and there is no reason to expect that a larger majority would bring anything different.
The effective venues for change will be in the workplace, in the neighborhoods, and on the streets. Progressives must wake up to this reality
and act accordingly.
If we can be "led" to the promised land, we can be "led" away from it as easily(Eugene V. Debbs paraphrase). Representative democracy is (and always was) dead. Democracy must become direct or it will die.
Building a "New Party" is a substitute for action toward change(Naderites take note!). Real change will come from non-violent direct action or it will not come at all.
I returned to the US a couple of years ago; I spent some time in Honduras.
It is increasingly becoming clear to me that the US political establishment is similar to that of Honduras...and the rest of Central America.
In Honduras, there are two parties. They are almost indistinguishable from each other. During elections, they, at least, promise the Hondurans the moon and the stars. Of course, when either party wins, none of the campaign promises come to fruition.
However, in Honduras, the two parties never attempt to impeach a president or any other elected official. If the precedent was established, all hell would break loose.
So, political corruption is widespread and endemic in Honduras. Political parties are patronage machines like they were in the elder Daley's Chicago. One latches on to a political party in order to gain a living, climb up the ladder and employ family and friends when your party wins.
What is troubling is that such a political party machine headed by an unaccountable presidential branch (like Honduras), is taking shape in the US.
The US is an economic and military powerhouse. If an Honduran political structure is taking hold in the US, it means only one future: increased poverty for the average US citizen and increased poverty, bloodshed and torture for the peoples of any nation the US invades, occupies, politically and/or economically interfers with.
Sadly, the best hope for the left is a McCain victory and Republicans taking back congress in November. Democrats need to learn that they can't stab progressives in the back time and time again and expect their vote. They either become real progressives (which is never going to happen), or join the Republicans (which is what 97% of Democrats have already unofficially done).
In fact, I hope Hillary wins big today so the divisive fight continues. The destruction of this corrupt party is the only hope for the working class in this country.
Rebel farmer: Thank you for the link. I didn't know this was going on. Does is it have a chance?
The Congressional Dems are, quite simply, criminals and traitors, just like those at the other end of the street. Guilty. Call your next case.
Dems = Bush-enablers
Dems = Complicit
That's why vote
NEITHER OF THE TWO EVILS
Pelosi needs to be defeated in reelection this November, even if it means a republican in her seat. When the first 'liberal' woman speaker of the house is thrown out of office, that should send a clear message to all Democrats in office.
Impeachment should not have been taking off the table.
Myers, Bolten, Rove, etc should be sitting in the congressional jail for INHERENT contemp of congress.
Telecom imunity
etc.
etc.
To hell with elections. We need to start building guillotines.
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RandB March 3rd, 2008 12:31 pm
Daniel David,
"Please tell us again how much better it will be next year with more Democrats in control. My scant faith is waining."
Didn't think DD or Kernel would post on this thread. This article is just one more among many reasons to vote third party.
Lobo Gris
Thank you Glenn Greenwald for saying it with such clarity and articulation. Kudos! The truth tellers are out in force tonight on this thread. Thanks folks, very nicely said. I cannot add much. I only want to add a few words to "my friends" the Bend-over_crats:
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Okay, now you want to know what I really think?
Wow, not too many trolls to fend off on this thread.
Wonderful article to read in these days of the Obama machine. This article reminds me, once again, as a youngster, not to be fooled by the "but the republicans are so scary!!!" theory.
The scariest thing, quite possibly, could be an Obama presidency. The "progressives" could overdose on their opiate, the Iraq war would turn into a silent occupation(media wise), and any economic downturn, "terrorist" attack, would turn the country back to the "Right" for eight more years. Only to send us hoping again.
I recently saw a documentary on Ohio in 2004, "...So Goes the Nation." It was humorous to see the anger from the Bush v Kerry crowds when they would talk to each other. You really would think we have a lively political debate when you see this crap.
Lets form a Spoiler party, clearly intent on running in swing states as vigorously as possible. :)
Lizard: Go to the links I provided. These are not hair brained ideas that are going nowhere. Especially the National Popular Vote. The Govenors of 47 states signed on at the beginning. Three states govenors have already signed the legislation passed by their House and Senate. It's a really cool "work around" of the Electoral College.
I don't like Bush either, but he's just more brazen. Vietnam was just as unjust and horrible. Korea too. FDR lied to get the US into war. Truman was despicable. Wilson was a total nut. The difference is Bush doesn't care. He is mentally not normal.
babyWatson: They're not gonna read this, they have flunkies who take care of those things.
I like it rebel farmer. Are you suggesting Article V? Constitutionl convention? How about proportional representation? Too much?
I really hope the Democrats in office or their patsies read this, I am just so sick of the status quo. They go along with EVERYTHING this administration throws at them. Any sign of a challenge and they pretend to put up a fight....only to knuckle down in the end. It really makes me so sick I don't even want to follow the news or papers anymore. What's the point.
Oops, I just read the last comment before me. Sorry. I am in a moment of "so sick of the staus quo". But honestly, it never seems to change. They don't even seem to appreciate the fact that I think most of the country is really so sick of Bush & Company. We really want the Bush Era GONE. He has done such harm to our country.
Zounds: That was beautiful. Thank you.
I have to say, that for myself, just having you folks here at CD gives me hope in the human race in America. It's like a mutual support system. Some days I'm near defeat and cynacism. But somebody here will help to lift me up from the depths with humor, a quote, a song, or a great story. It sure beats the heck out of muttering to myself or my dogs all day. We might not always agree, but it sure feels good to know that you are out there and still fighting the good fight.
Thank you ALL!
RichM: I got my hand up. Please call on me! Your question on how to end this cycle of defeat for the American PEOPLE?
1) Election campaign finance reform/public financing only. Scream at your congress critters at least once a month on this issue. Toll free: 800-828-0498
2) Circumvention of the Electoral College by getting all 50 states (47 are already signed on) by getting actively involved in your state. www.NationalPopularVote.com
3)Make ALL contributions of ALL kinds illegal from lobbiests and corporate interests.
4) Support IRV voting at all levels of government for all candidate voting, including primaries. Much has been done at the state level, but more is needed. Go to and get involved! www.NationalPopularVote.com No spoilers! Electability is no longer an issue! Make this happen at the federal level!
www.fairvote.org
5) Restore Voting Integrity! Make every vote count. Make sure every vote is counted. Paper trails ONLY. In Oregon we have ALL vote by mail. It works great! No broken machines. No long lines. No exclusion of voters. No double bubbles. No excuses. Contact your state reps. Lots of model legislation.
6) Eliminate the whole primary process of having different dates for different states to vote. Just do it all on the same day. Saturaday would be a good day of the week instead of Tuesday too. Or maybe July 4th every election cycle. That would give these idiots 4 months to run in the general election. More than enough time to try to convince voters of anything.
This is all very scary. Illegal wiretaps, detention centers, torture, who are the "terrorists" that they are after? I almost feel like the American people are the enemy, especially the ones who oppose neoliberal trade policies and threaten to get in the way of the new world order. Do we think the Democrats are on our side just because they throw us a few bones? Americans need to wake up before it's too late. The empire is falling and the ruling class is getting nervous and willing to stop at nothing to maintain their power.
Above are some of the best critiques/ observations I've ever read on CD.
Having said that in heartfelt solidarity with so many beautiful and honest heads that post on this site, I also want to say this:
I no longer find it easy maintain the [my] hopeful illusion that our country's troubles come mostly from an insider-hijacked system of governance which the average citizen presumably avers.
What I feel underneath, instead, and have felt for some time, is that the average USA citizen has become near-fatally corrupted at a deep level of personal Being, RE a sense of higher possibilities: I.e., corrputed at the level of personal honesty/conscience/consciousness, and automatic cultural intake.
When I recently took keeen note of the faces and telling body vibes of the North Koreans, as they listened to the unarguably, humanly uplifing/meta-political music performed by the NY Philharmonic in Pyongyang, I felt something un-nameably tragic and fearsomely horrible in those N. Koreans' shutting-it-all-out, politely-smiling rigidness.
I felt that I was looking at politically hypnotizend, far more de-humanized people; their individual and collective human potential stolen almost totally from them by the hands of an all-controlling, ruthless, psychopathically-paranoid ruling elite.
But I also felt that something fundamentally similar, however more softly and deftly-rendered, was, amazingly, also now overtaking the higher human-ness of huge blocks of people in my own country, the USA.
I stopped myself from over-focusing on this thought, though. Not just because I try to discipline myself to never let my own personal hopes be defeated by my [own, pretty big] capacity for cynacism.
But because of something which, I think, is infinitely more healthy and hopeful: Here was this transcendingly beautiful, heart-and-mind-opening music [Dvorak's New World Symphony] being performed by the noblest of USA'ers (our still-free Artists) - depicting in sound the feeling of both Earth's magnificent beauty plus the equal beauty of free, civilized human spirits.
I don't think I'm that different from the average
human/USA'er-distored species subset, to not have my sense of hope bolstered by wittnessning and feeling the power of Transcendant Music to clarify the mind and uplift the spirit.
I think all of us humans are alike in this way. We need images, not of illusory perfection, but just of the beauty of raw Nature and its power to set us sufficiently aright with each other.
And as much as I [personally] vomit and despair at the godawfully-low state the USA's momentarily become, I would recommend to all progressive comrades here, to avail themselves of High Art's ability to renew the creaturly-inate sense of decency and non-elitist human nobility we all share.
The litany of bad news we, especially us progressives, try to deal-with day after day can become crushing of our Spirits' ability to creatively Hope and Act.
Listening to High Music, like Dvorak's New World Symphony, can become an almost other-worldy medicine, helping us to find the energy and perspective to continue fighting for The Good, against all odds, no matter how horrible the odds aginst us seem.
Dems fear for their lives. With gangsters controlling the federal government, it's comply or get Wellstoned.
Excellent article.
The Karpian interpretation is that the Ds offer token resistance to the Rs and then roll over. The real function of the Ds is to block reformers from coming up through the Democratic Party.
We might think of the R/D split as a good cop bad cop routine. The Republican Party hacks use a stern father morality and vocabulary to frame issues and the Democrats use a nuturant parent vocabulary.
The only possible route to reform is to fill up the Precinct Committee Officer slots in the Democratic Party or even both parties. Then put in reformers as State Committee men and women and chair and then run reform candidates.
We did it in Bellingham and it worked till people got bored and went home and a fresh slate of hacks drifted into the party.
As Paul says, what evidence is there that the Democrats want to win?
I don't think it is just caving in or cowardice. Originally, the Democrats thought that they didn't want to rock the boat because they thought if they did nothing, they couldn't antagonize the voters and had a better chance of winning again in 2008. However, now very clear that most likely will be a massive landslide for the Democrats. I suspect Pelosi and Reid are drooling, thinking that all those anti-democratic tools that Bush has created will belong to the Democrats when they are in power in 2009. They see nothing wrong with all the shredded civil rights and trashed Constitution as long as they are in control. Only reason they would be upset is if those despotic tools were in the hands of the Republicans to spy on and subjugate the Democrats. They also don't want to dismantle Gitmo as that is the ideal threat to intimidate any Republicans who displease them ... oh yeah, and also threaten any American people/suckers/fools/gulls/marks/piegeons who get out of line.
I don't think the two parties are good guys and bad guys. Both are bad guys, like the Crips and the Bloods gangs in Los Angeles. Actually add a third Los Angeles gang, the LA Perverts Department.
We have one party with two parallel arms and a few ugly little tentacles trying to get noticed by the MSM, all standing on one big leg called the corporation.
Also, check out Steven Hill's. "10 Steps to Repair American Democracy" in addition to Mr Greenwald's books. I've read only "How Would A Patriot Act?" Well worth reading.
It will do no good to vote for any of the candidates for president. None of them will be our savior; they will all disappoint and appall us. Remember all the brave words spoken in the 2006 elections? Yada yada.
What chaps my ass is that politicians take us voters for granted. I think it was Howard Zinn that described "Jacksonian Democracy," wherein the voter is given two parties so that each can rescue us from the other in turn. We feel we have made a choice.
Nader won't get elected, but if he did, he would be defeated in his efforts to bring reform, at least for as long as he remained alive. The world is closing down. Cultivate local survival communities.
"House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes "MUST GO", as do many other Democrats and Republicans who believe that the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper"!
At what point does the shredding of the United States Constitution become an act of tyranny?
RichM March 3rd, 2008 6:57 pm
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"Does anyone have any suggestions about how a stake can possibly be driven through the heart of this simple device? The one that lets these dummies so easily say, decade after decade, "Well, given our options, and the absolute necessity of defeating McCain/Goldwater/Bush, I am voting for Obama/LBJ/Clinton/Kerry."
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Seems to me that if there were a motivated progressive party then the right would be split between the two corporate partys. It is true that they are currently sharing over 90 percent of the vote, but if after a few elections a progressive party were to be seen to be steadily picking up votes then that progressive party would be picking up creditability to the point that the "no alternative to the republicans but the democrats" argument can be put to rest. (Possibly if the Greens had not self-sabatoged three years ago they would be the third alternative - I think it can be argued that the progressive movement paid a stiff price to support the democrats).
FDR was not operating in a vacuum. He was pulled to the left.
Also begin to discuss -> how do we design and build a party that is highly resistant to corruption by corporate power, and how do we design and run elections to be highly resistant to corruption by corporate power.
Glenn's articles are generally pretty good. I think I'd have gone just one step further and suggested that politics is like a great big dysfunctional family, in which certain kingpins think/speak/act out of alignment with themselves. That is, if you were to genuinely give an analysis of their term in office it would be based not on what they think (you can never quite look inside the skull), or what they say -- but ultimately what they do, the artifacts of their behavior.
So it's essentially irrelevant what the reasons may be for Democratic capitulation, cooperation, co-option, corruption, etc. The bottom-line effect is the deliverables of their actions -- or inactions as the case may be.
Come to Denver in August to let the Dems hear what you really think of them! Come in the millions, to create a voice so loud it can't be ignored and that will be heard no matter what security perimeter they set up.
Denver in August would be at least one place where the American people could say ENOUGH!
PS ... the above is step one.
Step two is when the Dems decided they do want to win and are serious enough about it to come and negotiate a real coalition with us. We might not get everything we want then, but we'd at least have a strong bargaining position to use to get something.
seriousprofessor wrote, "The Dems don't need any strategic instinct so long as there are oceans of volunteers to solemnly declare that voting Democratic is the only sensible, permissible choice." tetti_tatti wrote, "Democratic voters are just like those battered wives who keep going back to their wife-beating husbands. They never learn." Rebel Farmer wrote, "Given that nothing is going to change for the better no matter who gets elected, I'm no longer afraid of the outcome." RichM wrote, "Someone posted a great Chomsky quote here yesterday: "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." My reaction to all this is simply this: If you have an option to vote for a Green candidate in the primary, do so. If you don't have such an option this year, vote Democratic and then reregister as an Independent or Green and get busy buildling a Green Party political infrastructure where you live. Commit to voting out the imcumbents, democrats and republicans. Our fellow Progressives, who still don't get it, will come around when the dems start dropping like flies. That's when we welcome them with open arms and enlist them in an energetic attempt to build alternatives to the two-party system. An alternative option (for those of little faith) get a foreign language under your belt, have your passport handy, have an exit bag packed with your most precious mementoes and enough foreign currency in place overseas for six months bare essentials, steel yourself to go abroad and renounce your U.S. citizenship and become a "stateless refugee" and get on with your life and don't look back. If you have foreign relatives abroad, convince them to sponsor your immigration. Believe it or not, there are better places to thrive than in the good ole USA. If you're convinced you can make no difference, you owe it to yourself and your loved ones to get out and move on. If you think I'm nuts, read Bertram Gross' FRIENDLY FASCISM: THE NEW FACE OF POWER IN AMERICA, 1981.
""Just when are these Demo-bastards going to get the message that we're fed up?"
When we stop electing them!
Vote Green. Vote Independent. Just don't vote Dem. The one thing we most certainly have the power to do is to end these people's political careers. We can send them home. We might not be able to win ourselves, but we can damn sure make sure they lose in most contested races.
Its win-win for us. We actually get to work for and vote for candidates who truly share our beliefs. And we get to send a very powerful message by kicking these fools out of Congress.
The problem the left has is that it has not demonstrated any real political power in decades. We constantly vote for these pro-war, pro-candidates that always sell us out. Then we turn around and whine that they don't listen to us. Why should they? They get our votes for nothing.
Take away our votes. Watch them lose elections. If you want to send a message to any politician, make them lose and send them home!
Many great comments here today -- greenerthanthou (I agree on all points), COMarc, etc. Too many to name them all!
Let me just focus on one comment in particular, from tetti_tatti (4:57).
The point he makes there -- that the Democrats could have stopped the war at any time they wanted -- is simply not heard (or maybe "understood" is a better word) by Dem voters. The point can be made in one simple sentence -- as tetti_tatti makes it -- yet all these fluff-heads who are rapturously glowing about the "hope" and "inspiration" they find in Obama -- they are just not hearing it. All they know is that they feel it's necessary to prevent McCain from becoming president.
[This might usefully be compared to an antiwar person voting for LBJ in 1964, on the grounds that Goldwater was such a "mad dog warmonger." Or voting for Clinton in '92 because of anger over the raping & looting of the Reagan-Bush Sr years -- only to get NAFTA, a thoroughgoing deregulation of Wall St, the Telecom Act of '96, Welfare Reform, the bombing of Serbia, the starvation through sanctions of Iraq, -- and no cut whatever in "defense spending", despite the fact that the USSR ceased to exist in 1991!!]
There's an endless cycle involved here. The pattern is this: first, we have years of Republican looting & plundering. Then, when public anger finally rises to dangerous levels, they bring in capitalism's "B Team" to provide a few cosmetic improvements. This gives the public a few years to get over being angry at the system. Once that's accomplished, they bring back the "A Team" for some more old-fashioned raping & looting. Needless to say, by the time the A Team is ready to return, the Democrats will have changed nothing in the basic order of things. It's as though all they do is apply a fresh coat of paint, and maybe sweep up a bit of garbage -- to make things nice so the Republicans can come back in and resume the usual plundering & murdering.
What's crucial is that this pattern WILL NEVER CHANGE, as long as stupid Democrat voters don't learn the history, and can be stampeded into voting for the next fake liberal, by the simple device of holding up the spectre of a Republican boogeyman who seems crazier than the fake liberal.
Does anyone have any suggestions about how a stake can possibly be driven through the heart of this simple device? The one that lets these dummies so easily say, decade after decade, "Well, given our options, and the absolute necessity of defeating McCain/Goldwater/Bush, I am voting for Obama/LBJ/Clinton/Kerry." As long as people keep falling for this gag, the cycle will continue indefinitely (or at least until US capitalism, militarism, or global warming destroys the planet).
I'm not a democrat. I'm an independent. I only voted once for the lessor of two evils - in 2004. I thought I would NEVER do that again. I supported Kucinich, and then rather reluctantly supported Edwards. I used to think that my primary vote mattered. But it really doesn't because by the time I get to vote in the primary in May, my vote for my choosen candidate is for one who is no longer running. So I'm going to vote for Kucinich in May.
The longer this discussion goes on about the dimms v.s. the repugs, I am becoming more convinced that it dosen't matter who wins anymore. Nothing will change. The fundamentals of our government are so screwed up at this point, it really doesn't matter who is pulling the levers of power because the right and left hands (d's and r's) are both connected to the bloated body of the corporate fascists.
Given that nothing is going to change for the better no matter who gets elected, I'm no longer afraid of the outcome. McCain? Hillary? Obama? It really doesn't matter anymore. November? Probably McKinney. If Kucinich isn't nominated for his seat, maybe we can get him to run Green!
re:
"I doubt there are very many Americans who expect at this point that the Democratic leadership will take a stand against the President due to any actual beliefs. But shouldn't politicians be at least a little bit shrewd about their own political self-interest? As craven and ugly as their capitulation will be, the political "strategy" they chose is actually just more self-destructive than it is anything else. Obviously, they have no real political principles, but don't they have any strategic instinct at all?"
The Dems don't need any strategic instinct so long as there are oceans of volunteers to solemnly declare that voting Democratic is the only sensible, permissible choice.
BigStinky: "Just when are these Demo-bastards going to get the message that we're fed up? I'm pissed and outraged. How do they go home and face their families at the end of the day, knowing that they're destroying America? Don't they want to leave some semblance of freedom for their own children?"
Is that a rhetoricle question? If not the answer is that your don't matter and they don't give a sh*t about voters or America.
And they have the courage to blame Nader for the mess we're in. Let's never forget that Democrats are responsible for Iraq, and everything else, as much as Bush and Cheney are. They could've stopped Bush if they wanted to, Democrats had at least 40 senators for every second of the Bush presidency and could've filibustered each and every one of his criminal enterprises. But no, they chose to be Bush's co-conspirators.
Democratic voters are just like those battered wives who keep going back to their wife-beating husbands. They never learn.
I think we should all start wearing -GREEN SHIRTS- for the next 4 years so they can see their fate.
A 4 year GREEN PARTY !!!
What else can you expect in a nation that loves its one-party system, a nation that whines and complains and sulks about Ralph Nader's desire to add a touch of competition to the presidential race?
You guys are all jealous because the 2 party system really is working.
How else could the rich have kept getting richer over the last 40 years, widening the income gap to pre-depression levels?
You have to control 2 parties to do it and the corporate oligarchy has done just that while letting us think we have had a choice when we really did not.
We should have understood why the rich haves started hiding in secure gated communities in ever greater numbers in the late '80s and early '90s.
The Dem support of the repuglican administration and its policies since 2006, has finally made public the real state of affairs.
And the Sheeeepies keep wagging their tales behind them.
Martin Luther King tried to tell us what was happening, especially his talks in the year he was assassinated.
We ignored his words at our now peril.
Paying taxes to the US government is a crime—and it's immoral.
The whole thing is a complete fraud.
When people vote for lessor-evil, why are people then surprised when the people they elected are evil?
When you say the House Dem leadership is 'self-destructive', you assume they have goals and objectives they don't have.
They seem to have two goals. One is to remain in power. While I would pray that they'd be replaced by Green party leadership after a massive voter rebellion this fall, I doubt that will happen. Their second objective is to rake in as much money as possible. Again, they appear to be successful. They went to the K-street lobbyists and announced that now they expected to be paid. They have been. Corporate donations to the Dems are soaring, even from sources like the weapons, nuclear and oil industries that normally one would think wouldn't support Dems.
If you think the Dems are still the party of the FDR New Deal coalition, what's happening seems wrong and incomprehensible. But if you think of the Dems as another corporate party with a center-right agenda, they are on track and doing just what they think they should be doing.
The Dems have abandoned us. We need to figure that out and quit trying to cling to them and make them something that they abandoned 20 years ago.
Vote Green!
RichM, great posting. But the mind control is not a sinister hidden thing. We call it the main stream media. They create the reality and everyone has to predicate their opinion around that reality, even if they vigorously dispute little pieces of it, as Chomsky points out.
Thus, all media, including Amy Goodman, treated the Iran NIE last year as great new info to help stop the invasion of Iran. Only some on the internet pointed out that there was no reason to believe that Iran had a nuclear weapons program in 2003, that we were told they had now stopped. The "left" accepted the NIE "reality" as a given.
Just as, five years later, Common Dreams still prints articles announcing that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq! They lied to us! Well, many of us knew that in 2002, when the mass media and the Bush junta started the drumbeats of war. But they create the reality, and we are still patiently debunking it 5 years later.
Every once in a while, I post a comment pointing out that capitalism can't be fixed, that we need to move on to a cooperative sustainable economy based not on mining and destroying earth's resources, but on sharing them with each other and conserving them for future generations of humans and other beings.
When I come back, usually no one has commented on such a wacky vision. It is outside the bounds of permissible thought in America to suggest that capitalism is not the greatest system possible, so no one gives it a second thought.
It reminds me of a Reader's Digest story I once read about neighbors who each had a dog, with a fence between them. The dogs spent their days running back and forth and snarling at each other. One day, there was a hole in the fence, and the dogs got to it, and stopped and looked at each other. Then, they resumed their snarling and running.
I tend to think the problem with the Dems in our government (at least 99% of them) is that they are owned by the corporations. They care more about their careers being threatened than they do the American people. That's why they put up and shut up.
Someone like Kucinich and McKinney are not owned by the corporations and are true public servants as witnessed when both of them have lost their political seat (Kucinich when he was Mayor) in simply doing the RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE.
None of the others would ever EVER put their selfish ego-building careers on the line for the people of this country or any other country. They care only about themselves and their ill-gotten gain.
Good for you, STARTREKLIVZ!! I've responded in like in e-mail requests for money from the DLC and DNC. How nice to be able to say it to a human ear from someone asking for donations! They aren't getting one d*mn dime from me either. Only ones like Dennis Kucinich who REALLY represent me are getting my money.
The Democratic Party certainly has a knack for making it hard to feel good about being a Democrat.
At least Republicans make their sociopaths, hypocrits and fools like being part of that gang.
iammyself sez: "... we need to move K Street to Guantanamo Bay."
Bingo.
Perhaps Mr. Greenwald has sold the Dems short with this article. Maybe their recalcitrance on the telecom bill was simply a negotiating tool, and earned a few more zeros on their K-checks.
Then again, maybe some intern misplaced the Reichstag Model 1933 rubber stamp and it was just located.
I used to get caught up in the debate over the Democratic Party. Were they complicit with the Republicans and just giving patronizing lip service to their followers or were they the spineless cowards that so many believe them to be? I came up with the conclusion that it doesn't matter. What does matter is that the Democratic party is useless. Absoulutely nothing has changed since the 2006 elections. Bush still gets everything he wants. The Dems are still always "afraid" of how they will be labeled so they might as well let Bush have his way so they don't get trashed. The result is that our democracy and constitution are melting away like the Antarctic glaciers. What a sad commentary on our so called leadership.
jlocke (1:56 pm) writes, "...Americans are content with watching thirty second commercials and voting for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee. It's not that this behaviour isn't replicated elsewhere, it's just that in the US it is on such a grand scale. Do you think the US is simply too big to be governed properly?
- Yes, I do think so. But it's not just a question of size. The propaganda system has been brilliantly designed -- so brilliantly that most of the population is simply unable to see through it. (As willo notes at 2:43 - "Makes you kind of wonder if they haven't perfected some kind of mind control device...")
We see this phenomenon at work here on the CD discussion board in real time. As I'm typing this, several people on other threads are doubtless typing something almost exactly like this: "Well, Obama isn't perfect -- but given our choices, he's certainly better than Hillary or McCain, so I'm going to support him!"
This is a perfect illustration of the 2-party system hard at work -- and succeeding brilliantly! The people typing those words think they're "progressives." They are doubtless against the war, US militarism, & corporatism. Yet they're going to vote for a guy who's not an opponent of US militarism or corporatism (& in fact, is very cozy with those forces) -- because they want to feel "hopeful" & think it's the only "practical" thing to do. Anyone who tries pointing out that Obama is not the least bit opposed to militarism or corporatism gets accused of being a gloom-and-doomer, "too negative," a "bitter cynic," disrespecting the idealism of our young people, and being a child rapist. (OK, I made up the child rapist part.)
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You also ask, Will Obama and the Democrats just quietly go back to business as usual?..."
- Yes, pretty much exactly that. That's the function of the Dem Party, to come in as the "B Team" in periods the Republican looting has finally sparked rising social discontent. Basically, Obama will succeed in putting a much-improved face on this same underlying "business as usual." Someone posted a great Chomsky quote here yesterday: "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "
- Well, the Obama thing is a perfect illustration of part of that. There is objectively NOTHING about Obama that even challenges the limits of the officially-permitted debate. He's not even at the left-ish margin of it, as for example Kucinich was. He won't even criticize the size of the US "defense" budget. Yet all this happy talk about "hope" and "optimism" touches a purely emotional need in people. The appeal is purely subjective -- it has nothing to do with policy or positions. But if you try to make people examine what they've invested their "hope" in, they get angry! They perceive you as trying to take their precious hope away.
It's the same kind of emotional manipulation that the Bush Mob pulled off, where they succeeded in getting lower middle class whites to vote against their own economic interests. Except that the Obama schtick targets liberal voters, instead of conservative ones. But in both cases, you have a big-business party politician succeeding in getting people to vote against their own (real) interests. And at the same time, the presuppositions of the system are reinforced. They've actually got people believing that the Democrats (supported by Wall St) would offer them a candidate to vote for who would represent their real interests! It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
Democratic voters continue to get the Democratic politicians they voted for.
Democratic politicians remain confident that no matter what happens, Democratic voters will vote for whoever the Party offers up as a candidate. Absent a real threat from voters, the Democratic politicians are free to pander to the media and the donor class.
The Democratic voters have bought into the unimpeachable logic of the Lesser of Two Evils, and the Two Parties Like it or Not System. But they are still claim surprise and anger at the inevitable unintended consequences of this voting strategy. They look for someone to blame (the DLC, the media, Nader, the Republicans...), but fail to acknowledge that, in agreeing to throw their weight into defeating Republicans in elections, that they have abandoned ALL other values.
Why then would they expect such values of the politicians they've elected?
And whose job is it to maintain the integrity of our constitutional republic if the voters have other priorities?
Barry
Makes you kind of wonder if they haven't perfected some kind of mind control device. It's just astonishing to watch this happening. It's kind of like before the war when the administration was making all these bold statements about Iraqs weapons of mass destruction and imminent attacks. You assumed they must know something they aren't telling us or we're not getting the whole picture through our own sources. That the must have air tight proof of such things. It all turned out to be outrageous lies that they should have been run out of office for.
The only terrorists I see in this country our the ones running it. Now they make laws that retroactively protect themselves from justice. It makes me just madder than hell.
iammyself, you are so right. I was part of the Redwood City napalm plant vigil and fast over the Easter weekend of - if I remember rightly, 1967. We had leafletted the workers coming out of the plant with photos of burned babies and they had turned their heads away and hurried past us and then it was dark and we were sitting around a campfire when there was an excited buzz. Saul Alinsky was coming to vigil with us and sat and talked with us for a few hours. He was a guru of community activism, and old. He was so wise, so calm and centered, we were so young and eager. There were only about two dozen of us who had stayed on for the weekend vigil. And he joined us for awhile, shared his wisdom, answered our questions, listened to our opinions. We felt thrilled to be in his presence. "We" mostly being Concerned Citizens of Palo Alto, started by a Quaker group which unknown to us became infiltrated by the FBI - as if they had anything to fear from Quakers, the most nonviolent bunch on the planet.
Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama modeled his community activism in Chicago after Alinskys' work. Hillary went on to create the DLC and Obama went on the reject the DLC. So it goes.
kathyodat
Just when are these Demo-bastards going to get the message that we're fed up? I'm pissed and outraged. How do they go home and face their families at the end of the day, knowing that they're destroying America? Don't they want to leave some semblance of freedom for their own children?
And, still, there's one question that remains wholly unasked and unanswered:
Who the hell have they been illegally spying on for nearly EIGHT YEARS without oversight or supervision?
No terrorists caught, no sleeper cells uncovered, no major financing streams unearthed, no plots preempted, even the "anthrax killer" remains at large. With all this illegal spying, not a single drug kingpin nailed? Mafia Don? Parking ticket scofflaw?
Why isn't anyone demanding proof - any at all - of one, single, real result from EIGHT YEARS of unfettered, illegal spying? Hell, we're paying for it - what are we getting for our money? Everyday we're warned that no illegal spying means DEATH TO US ALL. Fine - all we ask is that you prove it.
EIGHT YEARS of illegal spying. Zero results. On that basis, why continue? Unless there's something else going on they're not telling us (stop laughing...)
jlocke123,
"Do you think the US is simply too big to be governed properly?"
This is something that's crossed my mind as well. It seems feasible that with a country as large and diverse as the US, it would get increasingly difficult to govern it in a truly democratically representative way - hence, the increasingly fascist tactics.
I think new ways of governance, if not a complete restructuring of the country, may be in order.
RichM March 3rd, 2008 12:42 pm:
"I don't get the joke about the tiger. Can you explain it a bit more? (What are "trainers"?)"
Hi RichM, someone above has already covered this. It just never ceases to amaze me that in a land where you can buy ten types of soft drinks and spend hours upon hours deciding what type of parabolic skis to get from among countless models, Americans are content with watching thirty second commercials and voting for tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee. It's not that this behaviour isn't replicated elsewhere, it's just that in the US it is on such a grand scale. Do you think the US is simply too big to be governed properly?
RichM March 3rd, 2008 1:30 pm:
"the Democrats have succeeded in putting executive branch crimes beyond the law, & in destroying constitutional rule"
It sure looks like that, doesn't it? Will Obama and the Democrats just quietly go back to business as usual? Who will make a fuss, the Republicans? I can almost hear the Republicans chanting "close Guantanamo now!! Bring our troops home!!". Not likely.
kathyodat,
"When I was in high school long ago, we were taught that lobbyists simply presented information to our Representatives and Senators and monetary or other influence was illegal in their interactions with each other."
When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school... ;-)
sansf, it just means he wants to be seen with a winner. They all have dirty hands. What we need to do is only vote in clean hands.
When I was in high school long ago, we were taught that lobbyists simply presented information to our Representatives and Senators and monetary or other influence was illegal in their interactions with each other.
Then when I was a young woman my husband was in graduate school in Rochester New York and we lived in a slum neighborhood. Our neighbors were great. One of them told me when she applied for public assistance, she was advised it would be in her interest to register Republican. She told me "They can tell me how to register but they can't follow me into the voting booth". At that time I was shocked. But I hadn't shaken off my high school brainwashing - yet, that this was a free and fair country that played by the rules.
It was LBJ two years later that opened my eyes and I went from a docile housewife to outraged activist, complete with demonstrations and sitins.
kathyodat
kathyodat,
I think some of us "oldies" are getting a clue and one thing we could do for the younger set is to point out the rocks in the rapids while helping them steer the boat.
I think you'll agree that younger voters like Bethany have the fire, but they can't do it alone and they certainly can't do it if their elders do nothing but throw water on their fire.
Paul Revere,
I think some in Washington are out of touch, others are corrupt, and some are both. Washington is a different universe, insulated from the rest of the world - and it shows. What's needed is more citizen representatives. We need to get the careerists out! We need term limits on all politicians and we need to move K Street to Guantanamo Bay.
And once again I am ashamed of my country, something that is now a constant of every day of every breath
Reading through this article makes me think of the phrase "Dem-bashing." I think this phrase was originally coined at Democratic Underground. It's a catch-all phrase meaning, in effect, any and all criticism of Democrats -- regardless of whether the criticism is accurate or not. So I suppose Glenn Greenwald's above piece qualifies as "Dem bashing."
In fact, any accurate commentary about Democrats is "Dem bashing," because the truth about them, & the role they play in the political system, is so unremittingly horrible.
A common means of avoiding the awful truth about Democrats is to blame their collaboration on the DLC. This approach makes it sound as though the "real" Democrats are OK; the only bad part is the "few rotten apples" of the DLC. There's really no truth to this at all. Basically, the Democratic Party IS the DLC. There is no difference. The only reason the Democrats have kept a few people like Kucinich around (up until tomorrow, anyway) is to prevent broad public perception of the fact that apart from such "Left Ornaments" as Kucinich, the party as a whole is the one Glenn Greenwald is describing above.
Paul Craig Roberts writes on CounterPunch today, "...the case for impeaching Bush and Cheney--indeed the entire administration--is by far the most powerful and necessary case for impeachment that has ever existed. By declaring Bush unimpeachable, Pelosi is giving away Congress' only remaining power to prevent tyrannical rule by the executive branch. If Bush is above impeachment, every future president will be as well.
The Democrats naively believe that just one more year and the Bush Regime horror will be gone. But that is not the case. No matter who is the next president, the Bush Regime has established that the executive branch is no longer a co-equal branch of government. It is the primary branch, armed with unaccountability..."
In other words, even if they win the White House in November, the Democrats have succeeded in putting executive branch crimes beyond the law, & in destroying constitutional rule. This cannot be undone.
I call for enforcing the law! The Nurenmberg principles, accepted as US law, stipulate that conspiring to wage war when not attacked is a crime punishable by death. Either execute Bush and Cheney, or imprison them for life. That is what justice DEMANDS!
NateW: They are not out of touch at all but corrupt.
Jay Rockefeller, Mr. Telecom $, endorsed Obama over the weekend. Following the money leads us to most every elected official. Dennis Kucinich is fighting for his seat tomorrow. Whew.
The joke is that the American electorate is portrayed as a tiger.
Oh, OK. Thanks!
Training/running shoes. He doesn't have to outrun the tiger, just his"friend", who gets eaten by the tiger.
st john
jlocke123 (12:37) - I don't get the joke about the tiger. Can you explain it a bit more? (What are "trainers"?)
What do the democrats have to fear? Even those constituents fully aware of their representative's complicity are going to continue their support. Those constituents wavering on the brink of rebellion will be frightened back in line. Do congressional democrats fear a contested primary? Ha, can you say, "Lieberman".
There probably is a solution, but things will have to get allot worse before it is seriously considered.
NateW March 3rd, 2008 11:52 am:
"Are they as out of touch as the idiot occupying the White House? Apparently so."
I would disagree with you there, Nate. Congress is very much in touch with what is going on. It is the public that has lost the plot. What I find more stupefying, is that most Americans still haven't started looking for alternatives. In this environment, the Democrats merely have to be fractionally more palatable than the alternative.
Consider two people in the jungle, confronted by a tiger. The first one starts to put on his trainers.
The second one asks - "What are you doing? You can't outrun a tiger."
The first one replies - "I don't have to outrun the tiger…"
Some poor soul, a fundraiser for the Democratic Leadership Council, called me at home wanting me to give them money in this important election year.
Poor guy got an earful from me: there is NO Democratic leadership, they've caved on FISA, Telecom, the War, Guantanamo, rule of Law, the Constitutional checks and balances, civil liberties, and now with the economy in free fall and the dollar's value plummeting, they're just as worthless. They do not deserve my money, and they're not getting one cent of it.
Maybe when the $ Faucet goes dry, they may get the message.
RandB, be careful what you wish for. faith-based reasoning (ignoring the record of what the Ds have done in favor of proclaiming what they will do if only...) is a tough slog for most of us.
Daniel David,
Please tell us again how much better it will be next year with more Democrats in control. My scant faith is waining.
Need to check out the Keith Olberman Video on the tactics of the president and our congress I saw it on www.larryflynt.com.
Once again if anyone ever needed a reason to back third parties, we have yet another example.
It's almost getting to the point that people would be better off voting for some crazed former KKK party. At least with them you'd know about all of the silly crap that was to come.
The Democrats deserve to lose another presidential election. And maybe, just maybe, after another four years of this junk the public will wake up. Pobably not.
I would bet that all the dems in Congress and most of the moderate repubs got to their offices one morning and found a manilla envelope full of incriminating evidence of some sort or other setting there. Vote our way or else, a little note said. And this "evidence" was most likely attained from this administration's illegal spying program. cheney is more concerned with spying on us than terrorists. The sad truth is that probably 90% of Congress should be emptied, and 110% of this administration.
The DLC is like a tapeworm in the body politic feeding on money and destroying any progressive candidacies that try to confront it. At least our young people are getting a clue, even if the older voters aren't.
kathyodat