Quebec Police defend Rock-Wielding Undercover Officer

Thank goodness, Fresno County (Central California) had the foresight and wisdom of the local Sheriff Pierce (now retired) to keep tabs of those anti war types that comprise Peace Fresno. (Insert ironic sarcasm please.) For a refresher, see the group in Moore's Fahrenheit 911. The deputy was in the group, then discovered when he passed away due to a traffic accident and picture posted in the paper.

As cited in previous posts, common tactic of law enforcement to join, infiltrate, discredit, divide and incite violence in the name of peace. Keep vigilant sound Canadians, keep the cameras rolling. Thanks You Tube.
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Peace Fresno keep up the good work and join the candlelight vigils 8/28/07.

I believe that for the most part many of the protestors who use violence during demonstrations are really right-wing shills planted for the purpose of discrediting protest.

Future protest leaders can now know that the people acting violently are undercover cops. That's a good way to enforce the protest march.

Re the main report:
'Twas ever thus!
States are rotten to the core when they behave in this (ubiquitous) way. Such low cunning and deceit! They so often stoop to the lowest possible means -- but for what reason?
Merely to ensure the whole rotting mess continues.

My God, how very much work we have to do, to revamp the many loathsome governments of this world! ...

And in come Union Basher Bramscher and Shillman Dr. Marvin. How you both try to twist a discussion about an undercover police operation into a forum on union bashing is about as shameful as the incident itself.

This type of infiltration is standard operating procedure at virtually every peaceful public protest worldwide. The abuses by governments are endemic, from spying on your small peace group to the death of countless civilians in Iraq. They are not the good guys!

You're suprised at this? The corperate oligarchy has infiltrated nearly every western government.

American unions will clean up when they stop taking money and start producing results.

Dear "Freedom Loving American":

The "gentleman in the beard" is the leader of a major Canadian union. Can you imagine a union leader in the US doing the same?

I can't. More likely they would be cheering on the cops.

Talk about a wall of silence.. or is that complicity with a neo-con police state in Canada?

Would they have tried inciting a riot if the protest had 100,000+ attendees? A million? Probably the provacateur mechanism is only used at special and controllable times. For instance, if they tried that sort of thing down in L.A. around the time of the Rodney King unrest, a riot would have broken out all right. But Bush would need to send in a couple batallions of Blackwater to put it down.

I've driven through Montreal a few times, and just last month. I was the only US license plate I saw -- couldn't even see Ontario plates. For the love of God, will the Quebec police leave the harmless protestors alone and do something about the maniacs on your roads? I'd like a land-based shortcut to Maine or the Canadian maritimes that doesn't involve risking bodily injury. Thank you.

I sent the following letter to newspapers across Canada via email yesterday and the only paper to publish it was The Victoria Times-Colonist:
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Dear Editor,
The first time i heard of undercover police posing as rioters,in order to provoke and provide cause for an attack by their comrades was back in 1989 at a place called Tiananman Square.
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I must say im frankly shocked at a few comments on here from my American freinds.Are you kidding me? Does this stuff occur in your country and not get reported? Wow!

24 NATO commanders are coming to Victoria BC in the next week or so. I expect our very well organized Council of Canadians group here and the peace movement will have something to say to them.

Canadians are slowly waking up to the dangers we face from both the Conservatives and the Liberals. Both parties are too tied in to corporations and the US military industrial complex and both parties are too married to "deep integration" with the US. Even our census is being handled by Lockheed!(I refused to fill out the form because of this).

My union (BCGEU) has held training for protestors to teach us what to do in case of tear gas etc. We need more of this. I will never go to a rally without a camera now.

Americans for peace are welcome to come to Canada. Some of our best activists are your ex-draft resisters. Canada has a long way to go though to protect her freedoms from corporate governments willing to go to any lengths to ensnare us in the culture of greed.

The police in this country (Canada). NEVER lie.
Not before House Committees under oath ,not before govt enquiries (like on Maher Arar ) affair.
Yet when their lies are discovered , these high up people are NEVER charged with perjury.
The RCMP and CSIS have persistently lied to the public ,to the civil authorities and its former former commissioner lied twice under oath about matters of interest to the public like the torture of Maher Arar
He only lost his job.
But never charged with perjury.
Canada ,the country with two justice systems one for the "First Circle" and one for the rest of us.So why should the Surete not lie? and get away with it!

What a bunch of Canadian bacon.

What a bunch a armatures. I'm sure most cops in the US are sitting around and laughing at the Canadians silly attempt to incite a riot. In the US there would have been 30-50 undercover cops in all groups. They would have been in radio contact with the other cops. Once found out, they would have started beating the protestors and destroying their cameras. Then their riot police bothers would have beaten and shot as many of the uppity protestors as possible. Their would be no film of the incident other then the police video. The man in the beard would have been beaten to a pulp and would have died on the way to the hospital. All of the other elderly would have been beaten handcuffed and pepper strayed and charged with terrorist activities. They would be getting out of jail sometime in the year 2020.

I'm reminded of the Iron Heel by Jack London. The oligarchs have their police state; it is time for ordinary people to wake up and smell the rotten state, organize... a massive showdown awaits--the oligarchs know it, but the TV-dozers are nodding out...

If you see people at demonstrations, covered in masks, acting like "provocateurs", be very suspicious. It is very likely they are with the police state. The real anarchists ain't so dumb!

Begs the question of the people who had their faces covered at the May Day Rally in Los Angeles who were throwing things at the police before it became violent...

"Agent Provocateur" I think they are called. I am sure we will see many at the Sydney Apec meeting. Interesting how the MSM always film the radicals and never the ordinary citizens.

This is your government at work.

Kudos to the protest leaders who stayed cool. Their integrity and commitment to nonviolence won the day. I could see the tall cop who finally had his face exposed lose his composure; he was waffling, no longer believing in his corporate cop mission to disrupt the protest at any cost.

The 1100+ long comment section following the video was excellent. One post stood out for me. It talked about how the struggle with power must stay dynamic, that it was WORK that we cannot afford to give up or disengage from. We must keep at it with our protesting. All societies need government. We must stay involved or its autocratic tendencies will worsen. All political vacuums will be filled -- let them be filled by the real grass roots organizations of society.

The comments also discussed how Quebec's Security Minister, Stockwell Day, is a fundamentalist Christian who believes that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together just 6000 years ago. Day is of course on great terms with Bush.

And so it goes. If the Rapture is imminent I say, "Bring it on!" :-)

That was so impressive watching the gentleman in the beard deal with those punks (cops). In case any of you have never seen one before that was the actions of a true hero. In the US most of us never see any heroic action on the MSM. Our MSM is focuses on gutless, cowards, like themselves.

annemarie

Obviously you have more knowledge of your country. Perhaps
some of us (south of the border) have a glorified view of
Canada - at least until Harper rose to power.

I also think it somewhat humorous to refer to "south of the
border" when here in the US it means Mexico. So really,
which is the "second/third-world" country?

The sad truth is - "governments"/power abuse their authority.
They talk about the rule of law, but there is no such thing
when it comes to their power or prerogatives. If the law
does not match their wants, then they interpret it to match
their wants and fight in the courts to make it so. It is the
rare occurence (Fitzgerald) that rallies against it, but of
course the "I am the Decider" executive branch overrules
everything and releases Libby.

We really need a mass, public hanging. Though there may
not be enough room to process all the guilty parties at once.

Isn't it refreshing to see other nations finally adopting the tactics our police have been using for decades? What a bunch of amateurs. In the US we use the same goons to cause riots that bring in our drugs, commit most of the murders and are ruthless animals in other words our finest.

GETTING US READY FOR THE SECURITY STATE!

It's a state within a state. All of the well-paid highly trained (indoctrinated) security forces have been told that it is they who stand between civilization and chaos, and so they have gotten somehow to believe that they are doing good and defending the good.

Through fear and media control, some sectors of society buy into it. Others, the ones with the plans, do not need to buy in, because they own it, even though all of us pay for it.

Citizens (remember them?) are just there, in the way of bigger plans. We occupy space and consume resoiurces. Security forces haven't yet figured out a way to easily mass pulverize those pesky beasts that keep getting born and want to share the planet with them. The best population control they can do so far is war -- but then you have to come up with a declared enemy first.

So who where the uncaught "terrorist instigators" in the seattle wto riots? Duh!

It was a small digression, but I'm sorry that I can't contain myself when these morally bankrupt people get caught on camera. *happy dance* And i found another!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

I'm always happy to see scumbags get "busted". Score 1 petite victoire for the little/good guys 'n gals.

CanuckChuck, thanks for that chuckle. I'm polishing the tips of me sandals right now ;)

Dolby, correctamundo!

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peoplefirst August 25th, 2007 5:33 pm

It just means next time they'll wear different shoes.

Too bad trickle-"up" corruption has reached Canada
from the White House.

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Peoplefirst,
Thank you too.
You're probably correct on that first comment.

As for the second, I was born in Canada, and though traveled, lived here all my life thus far. Don't believe everything you read/hear about how "nice" we all are. This country, like many others (all?) was bought and paid for a long, long time ago. Just ask any of our First Nations' People, if you doubt this.

I've been saying for decades that this country -- while there are several good things going for it, to say about it -- is a money laundering front for the Empirists/Globalists. Alas, most think I'm looney tunes for thinking that. What else is new?!

Peace...if we can make it!

Yes, damon13, you digress. We like to stay on topic here ;)

No one of the Canadian public should lamely assume some amorphous "[advocate] of public rights" is going to do anything. There's good reason for us to start getting with the Council of Canadians, for example.
http://www.canadians.org/

Their dilligence and well-organised efforts have allowed the production of quite damning video evidence, and we should all be grateful!

CBC is good in its blunt reporting of the government position (a very embarrassing one indeed), I think the Toronto Star had good coverage; CanWest pubs are either moving this off their front pages or supporting the government (big surprise).

All very interesting!

People just got to remember this the next time they hear the corporate media going on about "violent protests". You know who the violence is coming from.

And why you should bring your video camera with you. :)

"When they were with the extremists, the undercover officers were given a rock and were formally asked to throw it,"

Dear Fellow Anarchist,

It is with great pleasure that today we have the oppourtunity to formally present you with this fine sample of the earths crust, which our resident petroloigist has determined is of the igneous variety.

If you could please be so kind as to make the kinetic motions required to launch this fine gift into a parabolic tragectory in the general direction of the local constabulary over there, we would be forever in your debt.

Yours Truly,

The Local Chapter of the Anarchist Conspiracy

P.S. Please RSVP

"The SQ is reviewing its procedures for policing protests and may alter some of its methods in future, he said"

Of that you can be sure! Just as exposure at Abu Gharaib resulted in the imposition of serious penalties for anyone caught with cameras at the facility, no doubt there will be action from the police here. No more wearing of police boots by undercover police.

i love youtube. did everyone see jon stewart rip this "cheney-lover" a new one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le1sqg0gnUk

and don't forget to view 1994 cheney's address

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-mksZODSs

sorry i digress. i would imagine there must be a canadian legal group for the advocation of public rights. the police should be sued, and please, please Common Dreams write the follow-up story. i can't even tell you on how many levels the policy of provocteurs, disturbs me.

"The police initially denied this. That was a lie. Why is nobody being called to account for it?"

Eliminate most of the sentence, and we wind up with "Police lie." The rest is garnish.

The police initially denied this. That was a lie. Why is nobody being called to account for it?

The protesters want the law enforced--the arrest of Bush for numerous gross crimes against humanity--against the extremists being protected by the police who in turn call the people wanting the law enforced extremeists. Fortunately--again, as with the 2002 attempted coup against Chavez--folks caught the real criminals on film in a manner that confrims the provocateurs' guilt 100%.

This is cancerous. The cancer must be excised.

These Canuck granpas and granmas ought to go down south to the U.S and set an example to our dumbdown, weak kneed american brothers.

If this had happened in the States how much will the mainstream media cover it? It's sure getting big play in the Canadian media...

It just means next time they'll wear different shoes.

Too bad trickle-"up" corruption has reached Canada
from the White House.

Both the Quebec provincial police force and Canada's Public Security Minister (sic), Stockwell Day made the public claim that the undercover cops were "outed" because they refused to throw rocks at the uniformed police.
This is a blatant official Big Lie to anyone who cares to look at the video. The exact opposite is true: the cops are called out when they refuse to put down the rocks after being told to do so several times by protest leader David Coles. There is no ambiguity; check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

From a post yesterday here is the definitive proof of infiltration if you don't have time to watch the youtube video:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emiliep/1206638928/

Gee, if they werent up to mischief why did they have their faces covered?

At least protest organizers can be more alert for this in future protests. They should have their own "internal police" at protests and warn people that anyone caught with any sort of weapon will be covered in molasses.

Oh, Canada!
If a citizen has a rock it's called a 'deadly' weapon.
But Big Brother's Brown Shirts play by different rules - their own.

Sleasey lying bunch of bastards.